#closethesky

Forget the propaganda...
We are already involved.
We were involved the moment we became Ukraine's friend.
We were involved the moment we claimed we want them to have freedom.
We were involved wthe moment we supported them.

Do NOT abandon them now...
#closethesky.

Here is a link to the official post.

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[Deep]

Closing the sky means having to shoot down Russian planes, which means a 100% chance of WW3 which will then become nuclear.

As terrible as the situation is currently, a nuclear world war will be infinitely worse.

[Changeling404]

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I understand...
That could be true, others say it won't.
If it is true...
and I hope I'm wrong... but...
If he is willing to go that far, how long untill it happens anyway?
Putin and Xi are sick of America (which we kinda deserve, but so do they).
China has already stated they will help their 'friend', Russia.
Now... I know China values the US... but still.
Putin is proving NATO is nearly useless, except for pity charity.
So we just let people do whatever they want because they wave nukes around?
Where does this end...

And if ("when" in my opinion) he loses in Ukraine, then what happens if he does go nuclear anyway?

There is very few good ways for this to end...
Most involve Russian citizens and or troops disobeying orders.

[Changeling404]

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(Crack-Pot Conspiracy Warning)
And if Putin is as evil and/or disconected as they say he is, I could definitely see him wheeling a nuke into Ukraine, firing it at Belarus, blaming the Ukranians, and then using that as an excuse to end this before Russia loses too much.

[Changeling404]

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But perhaps...
It is a shame we can't at LEAST send them planes.
NATO and US are being made fools about how we are "betraying" Ukraine.

[Sunsong]

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Some good news then. America has a plan in action where countries that give jets to Ukraine (mostly other former Soviet states that have old Soviet MiGs from the cold war) get an equal number of F-16s as 'gifts' so we're not officially supplying Ukraine with fighter jets.

[Changeling404]

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Ah, hello.

There were many deals laid out.
Most recently including new anti-missle "vampire" drones.

However, the issue remains that Russia is ignoring the fact their actions are the reason others around them join NATO.
And America did indeed ignore a couple paths to peace, but ukraine is still understadably upset about 2014... and the soviet union... so it is unlikely they would have accepted.
They DEFINITELY would not give up anything more.

Now, before all this, I didn't personally have really any serious negative views or "beef" with Russians or even Putin... well... outside of those that were saying they should have nuked the US long ago.
But ukraine did, for many reasons.

So America is more than happy to provide military equipment (like vampire drones) for ukraine to test, and ukraine seems to be more than happy to test them on the source of their suffering.

Crazy world.

[Sunsong]

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We definitely should have done more for Ukraine. Crimea was a tragedy of inaction (on our part) and a major foreshadowing of Russia's future aggression. And even now we are still not doing all we can. This era of mutually assured destruction prevents countries like the US from taking large sanctioned actions against other major powers like the Dictatorship of Putin for fear of someone pressing the shiny red button and sending us all into the next stone age. But even then it took the US and NATO far too long to respond with aid, training, personal, and the equipment that Ukraine desperately needed.

Well, no matter what comes of this war, the bravery of Ukraine and her people can never we challenged. Slava Ukraine.