The Only Way to Stop a Bad Guy With a Gun… · 8:22pm Oct 2nd, 2017
“The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun.” The official line from the National Rifle Association after the shooting of Sandy Hook Elementary, this has since become standard rhetoric for pro-gun advocates. Yesterday's tragedy in Las Vegas highlights the grotesque lie of this claim. A simple question to ask any of your pro-gun acquaintances: How could ‘a good guy with a gun’ have possibly done anything to stop a man shooting down into a crowd from the 32nd floor of a building down the block?
The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to restrict access to guns. I'm sorry this hurts your sense of pride and independence, but it's time to hang up your dreams of a cowboy-style shootout and face reality on reality's terms. The longer you hold out over a selfish desire to hold a deadly weapon in your hand, the more people will die.
Please tell me how your laws are going to stop a CRIMINAL, someone who breaks said laws, from getting a gun if they truly want one.
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I don't know, let's ask the entirety of Europe, where they've done a remarkable job of preventing mass shootings.
In the meantime, I'm going to have some fun with your ‘logical’ construction:
“Please tell me how your laws are going to stop a CRIMINAL, someone who breaks said laws, from stealing if they truly want to.”
“Please tell me how your laws are going to stop a CRIMINAL, someone who breaks said laws, from raping if they truly want to.”
“Please tell me how your laws are going to stop a CRIMINAL, someone who breaks said laws, from committing murder if they truly want to.”
Obviously you've come up with a brilliant argument for why any and all laws shouldn't exist.
And I'd love to hear why you, a NON-CRIMINAL (presumably), are so defensive about owning a deadly weapon. It's not like we're asking you to cut your hand off, here.
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Since you deleted your post, I'll put a copy of it here:
I don't even need to reply to this. Its very existence is enough of a condemnation of your mental abilities.
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Because, there are always going to be people who abuse their right to own a gun, but your acting as if every person who owns a gun is a psychopath.
Plus, of course "good people with guns" couldn't have stopped the vegas shooting, but there are other situations where concealed carry could save lives, like a bank robbery, or another situation like that
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I deleted it because I realized it was a stupid thing to say, I'm sorry I got angry like a regular human being
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In which case we must ask the question; is allowing people the right to own a gun worth the risk of abuse? You don't even try to ask that question, do you?
1. That there are any situations in which gun control would save lives but ‘a good person with a gun’ wouldn't defeats the argument.
2. In a bank robbery, the goal of the robber is to get money. They aren't going to shoot anybody if they get what they want. If you pull a gun on them, that calculation changes completely; now they have a reason to shoot. Pulling a gun on a bank robber doesn't save lives; it puts them at greater risk, with emphasis on the ‘good guy’ holding the gun and those immediately around him.
A psychopath is an unstable or aggressive individual, and is often associated with little care for the well-being of others and a great emphasis on one's self. It is exemplified by impulsive behavior and a lack of empathy.
You have twice now responded immediately with an angry comment that you subsequently deleted, indicating that you realized after the fact that it would make you look bad: This is aggressive and impulsive behavior.
You have been arguing for, presumably, your own personal right to own a particular type of object, with little care displayed for the dozens of people dead and the hundreds seriously injured by said object in just one event: This displays a serious lack of empathy and a good amount of selfishness.
Are all people who own guns psychopaths? Of course not. But the people who argue for ‘gun rights’ in the wake of mass shootings fit the bill pretty well.
Edit: Again, why are you so angry about this? That isn't like a ‘regular human being’. A regular human being doesn't lose control of their faculties so easily.
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im going to stop talking to you now, your obviously set in your "gun owners are psycopaths" mindset, i hope i never see you again
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You have displayed an incredible lack of reasoning and reading comprehension. That you think you need to tell me you're going to stop replying, instead of, you know, not replying, is just icing on the cake.
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enjoy your "mental superiority on" a my little pony site :)
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Enjoy thinking the place where this exchange took place matters.
Gun laws are such a fucked issue these days... I barely have an opinion because no solution ever seems to work or even make sense. More legislation gives way to "to what extent" ultimately ends with argument over semantics. I dont want to go cowboy and buy an uzi from a shop either. I dont want to remove guns entirely because the constitution is important to me. Idk anymore.
All i can offer is a simple message to the gunman: "You have been vilified by The Strip"
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Beware doing something solely ‘because the Constitution is important’. The Constitution can be changed; it has an amendment process for a reason. It is not the end-all perfect set of rules.
But it just so happens that the Second Amendment of the Constitution is about the state's rights to organize local militias, not individual's rights to tote personal weapons. The idea that the first clause can be separated from the second wasn't even floated until relatively recently. So gun control shouldn't make you worry about violating the Constitution at all; it isn't actually a constitutional issue. That was made up.