She's looking at you. Yes you. And she is judging you with her eyes. There is no escape.
Meeester says it is full of explicit sexual content.
That's right folks, The Weed is nothing but page after page of hot, explicit sexual content and graphic depictions of sexual activity.
So let's talk about it, shall we?
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........ i am not too caught up with the weed, mainly cause of Chase......
was there sex in it?
3471289
Implied, yes.
Graphic depictions of it? No.
He DID read it, right? This is Pg-13 at the worst.
3471294
No no no, it's a clopfic!
I mean, just look at all the sex! Page after page of it!
It's the most perverted story on fimfiction!
3471291 >_<
3471298
I feel like if you want to argue your case on a staff decision, the very least you could do is avoid lying and misrepresenting the issue to your followers in order to gain their support. I think people'd be capable of making an informed decision on the matter if provided the full details of the situation. You don't need to give them a heavily skewed presentation that makes you look like a victim to some horrible miscarriage of justice. At least, not if the facts would bear you out.
Just me.
It's because Maud gets his rocks off!
3471327 question
Can you or any other mod give us an example of the weed.
I read this stuff... while it can get suggestive it doesn't step over that.
Well then....
3471355 Yes please. Please provide some specifics. Did Meeester state that The Weed must be rated mature? And is it because of sexually explicit content? Seems pretty clear cut, one way or the other.
3471355
Sure thing.
The two major issues raised, to my knowledge, were the following bits:
Here you have, uh, I guess the easiest way to put it would be "Tentacle vines butt-rape a hare until it poops itself." That's pretty much what appears to be going on here.
Kudzu's right technically that the anal intrusion happens implicitly, inasmuch as he doesn't actively describe a vine sliding up the hare's bum, but generally speaking this goes over our bounds on sexual occurrences and needs a Mature rating.
To be clear, we do make allowance for Teen stories to have "implied sex" to the extent that two characters go into the bedroom with each other, there's some giggling, and the whole scene fades to black. Stuff like that is fine. What we don't generally allow for a Teen rating is when the author does something like "the scene is set up such that it's very clear and obvious that sex is occurring in it and everyone's watching it go down, but I've panned the camera a little off to the side such that I'm not explicitly describing it."
And I mean, this isn't even going into the issue of "a rabbit got raped up the butt so hard that it has to loose its bowels right there." With the, uh, process of defecation also actually being shown on camera.
The other one's not quite as bad in terms of direct sexual occurrence, I think, but still kind of heavily implicative:
I'm not saying he's doing the equivalent of jerking off a pony transformed into a sword here
but that kind of does seem to be what's going on?
Another part of the issue is that, to the best of my knowledge, this isn't the first time we've had to catch up with kudzu over scenes in The Weed. Apparently there was some kind of spat over a scene where Maud's sitting on a pony's face and said pony blows quote-on-quote "a very muddy raspberry into the muddy crevice he found his muzzle stuffed inside of." I don't know much of the details beyond that though, so I can't comment much further on whatever happened there.
Ultimately, in light of all this, the staff felt it'd just be better for The Weed to stick to a Mature rating, if kudzu wants to put stuff like this in it. It's totes fine if he does. The story just needs to be rated appropriately. What we really don't want here though is a situation where we have to come back to the story every time kudzu updates with a questionable scene and have to haggle with him over what needs to be done to get the story Teen-rated again. Which is just kind of a hassle on all sides, y'know?
Meh.
3471380
Eloquently put, Sir Obselescence. Much obliged.
3471380 Thanks for the prompt and informative response, Obselescence. While I didn't really note it when I read it, I can definitely see how the first scene could be considered to be crossing the line into mature territory. Not that it affects me any, I have mature on for a reason
It should be rated M for Many Chapters.
I guess a lot of thought has to go to the teens that roam freely and unsupervised, Kudz. It's nothing against you. I'm sure the mods follow your stories and enjoy them just as much as the next guy/girl/pony/changeling/centaur.
I still read them and I always need an adult.
Only because I'm always in trouble.
And this was my poor attempt at humor.
I'm tired...
I would tend to call the tenticle raped bunny disturbing but hardly graphic as such things go, but whatever. I read mature anyway and The Weed has been good so far.
If there's sex in it, I must have missed it.
Kuds, my dear, mind pointing me to said explicit sexual content?
3471380 thanks for the answer
3471298 Sorry Kudzu, I have to side with the moderator on this one.
While you never directly point it out, all the context you include makes it clear what is going on, with very few details left to the imagination. This goes for several of your stories, and then some"thing" finds a sentence, makes a stink about it, it goes public, and you gain readers.
But this time is different.
To explain:
It's clear this person ACTUALLY READ the story, and they found evidence to support their claim.
They reasonably provided said evidence when asked, and explained their reasons beyond saying "Because I said!"
This played out MUCH nicer than previous:
"FOAL BATHING: THE MOST HEINOUS CRIME" (a continuation of our series "War on Family Bonding" where we discuss the evils of affection, hygiene, and loving families.)
Ugh, I remember that, the stupid was everywhere...
This is much better, (i.e. they learned to be civil this time) and you still gain readers. It's a double-win.
"Tune in next week for a special one-hour broadcast on why mud ponies should stay in the mud."
Brought to you by the World Enlightening Society of Unicorns: Kontemporary Klan
***WESUKK***3471380
Thank you, you're the first moderator I have seen that is genuinely civil.
This author gets a lot of flak over his work, much of it without basis, so it is very refreshing to see someone in authority who isn't attempting a poorly-masked coup against a talented writer.
You presented your case, and you didn't resort to "Because" as a reason.
Again, you have my gratitude.
3471380 Hehe, I had forgotten about the rabbit scene
Thanks for responding with specific examples, I understand more of the reasoning behind this now.
I'm not going to argue one side or the other. But let's be honest Kudzu.
Who has their mature filter on XD You know for a fact that most people, even underage teens, are reading everthing the site has available. It's like knowing about the adult magazines dad has hidden in a box in the garage lol. This shouldn't affect your followers at all.
And I can understand if this isn't what you have a problem with. It could be more a problem with the concept of the whole thing. I get it. But you out of all people know that life isn't peachy and we can't get what we desire. This isn't a relatively large problem when compared to the big picture or the reality of the world. It doesn't mean it's not important as this is very important to you and a means of escapism, it's just something that I believe shouldn't be made a huge fuss over. Nonetheless, you still have our support Kudzu, and we're with you every step of the way. People may disagree with you at times, hell, I know I have, but in the end what's yours is yours and I still have unwavering respect for you and the work you put into your writing.
With regards, Req~
3471380
In response to the tentacle, that follows the rule of eyes closed / camera cuts away. You don't see anything. It is not explicit or graphic. It is implied, yes, but there is nothing actually saying what happened. It was a scene describing the mechanics of a self fertilising plant. It is only implied, and as such, it does not break the rule. For all you know, it is simply wand waving or hand waving; the mechanics of what actually take place are left up to the imagination of the reader.
As for the sword, that's a case of massage happening and somebody moaning because it feels good, thus causing an awkward moment. That in itself is not sex, nor is it graphic or explicit. It also quite a reach to assume PEEEEEEEEEEEEENIS given that it is a female character trapped inside of the body of the sword. You cannot call innuendo or awkwardness a sex act.
If you are going to apply these standards to implication, than I want what's fair. Do it to every other similar instance. Let's just change the rule, shall we? Implied sex is now mature... perhaps just get rid of the teen rating all together because ANYTHING can be an implication. Allow me to demonstrate.
See, that's innuendo. I'm laying it on pretty thick, but that is not a graphic sex act. It is not explicit sex. Would this be a teen rated fic or a mature one? Now to apply this to ponies, imagine a two thousand word story of Rainbow Dash putting on socks that was nothing but the paragraph above repeated ad nauseum?
Would it be sex? Would it be teen rated or mature? Perhaps it is time to overhaul or go into more detail what constitutes mature on this site, because implication and innuendo doesn't even get a PG13 in the real world. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING that shows up in The Weed would get it an R rating were it a film.
3471380
Why are there not more mods like you?
3471804 I tried. I fucking tried. Tried as hard as I could to not respond, but that little bit pushed me over the edge.
If what Obs quoted was all that happened there,. I'd be inclined to agree. But it wasn't, was it? There was a little bit at the end that he forgot to add. Here, I'll quote it again, but with the extra bit bolded.
Y'see? That sounds just a bit worse when put in context like that.
Also, it strikes me as particularly interesting that you're making such a big deal about The Weed, but saying nothing about that other fic of yours that just got forced M as well.
3472049
That extra bit that's bolded? Why not include it with the rest of the context?
Every time her past is brought up, she freaks out. That was not a sexual reference, sliding into her sheath. That was her escaping and going into a place where she loses her sapience.
As for the other story, don't care. I planned on changing it anyway. Not a concern in the world. Doesn't bother me.
3472055 The only context relating to her past that I could find before that bit is this:
Which seems to be the exact opposite of freaking out. Since she has no prior history of doing such a thing, and there doesn't seem to be any instances of it happening afterwards, I don't see where the "tense" thing really pops up as one of her traits except for that one time that also really, really looks like a sexual metaphor.
Also, you actually plan on continuing The Catch? I honestly thought you abandoned it to focus on The Weed. To be honest, I... was actually kind of interested in seeing where that one was going. Will have to give it a follow.
3472087
Read other chapters. Her story gets pieced together a little at a time. The context is important.
3472087
Yes. The current section of the story is getting a major rewrite though as I want the villain to be a bit more credible.
3472098 I did, I just can't find where she's "tense" like that when her past is brought up other than that one sexual-metaphor bit.
3472099 That actually sounds pretty interesting, have any sort of idea when it'll be done?
3472109
I am planning on getting The Catch on a regular Saturday release schedule.
Normally I'd be like UNLEASH THE CLOP HOUNDS, but I like The Weed at its level of sauciness. It may be mature now but don't change the writing.well that's what I think
3472135 Oh, nice. I saw you were doing it sort of twice-monthly before, until you stopped at the start of September.
Assuming you're going to start that up THIS Saturday, I'm actually sort of excited. Although if you aren't, that still works too, but it's less exciting.