America's Past... now America's Present?*For the American Bronies Group Thread* "Frustration" · 4:33am May 13th, 2015
I've seen the minds, the ideals, and the opinions of many others... but... how is this America?
Our country has risen and fallen. Seen peace and hell. Attacked and has been attacked. And now... now we are at war with truth and corruption.
People have argued over freedom of religion being a threat against homosexuals.
People have argued over what's fair and what's not fair.
People have argued over weapons being sources of evil and tools.
People. Have. Argued. About. Our. Rights...
Our rights... the Constitution... the very paper that our forefathers have worked, corrected, debated, and drafted as a reminder to the people of the Revolution... but now? Now, they argue over the issue of it being outdated, "progression is the answer" but what has progression done for the issues of having the right to have an opinion?
For example, the Gun Control Laws. They have the nerve to tell us that having the right to bear arms is out of date and "this is the present". Guess what? Gun control is older than the Constitution! So, how is the issue of Dates any relevant to have the right to self defense!
I digress, the point is that the people have focused too much on how we should change, rather than focus on the reasons of why these rights are the reason the entire country has not yet fallen prey to dictatorship/anarchy! Even now, we are slowly slipping into Communism, the very thing that our forefathers have tried to avoid! But people keep making up words to make it appear "less evil". Socialism is just another word for Communism.
Sorry, getting off topic. I want someone to please understand, that this is America, we cannot force people to agree with us, just as they are not allowed to force us to practice things we don't agree with.
I know, I may have been an ass a few times and said things that I regret. It was from the frustrations of the people's misunderstanding of our country's first very old, but true, freedom. Regardless of the mistakes of what our people has commited.
Now, this is where there are things to take into consideration that what our forefathers have done in the past, applies to America's future today.
There are things that the forefathers were aware of, and that is human error. The very sole reason as to why they took a long time to write and draft the Constitution.
They've made the Constitution, purely on the fact that if someone were to lead our country, and because they are humans, we are more than likely to end up into another monarchy or dictatorship.
So, taking the events that have happened before, during, and after the revolution by the British's acts upon the Colonists, they began to draft the papers that will help remind us why exactly losing any single one of these rights will victimize and enslave, rather than demonstrate their freedom.
Now, for the issue of slavery? The forefathers were Christian, and they very much believed that the slaves did not deserve this type of treatment. However, the idea of having slaves was VERY STRONG during the first years of America's colonization!! If they had tried drafting the 13th amendment already, their work in drafting the Constitution would be shot down before it could even take flight. Then our Constitution would have only been a dream.
Also, let's not forget that slavery was proposed... by a black man... that slaves should not be free. The original idea of slavery by our forefathers was that once a slave has worked hard and long enough without being paid, they were not to be slaves anymore. But then suddenly, a man, a black man to be precise, brought this attention to court, and has declared slaves to never be free. That was the day the court has ruled slaves to never live as Americans.... ever. That wasn't until Abraham Lincoln has taken the dare to stand against it, and then the rest was history.
Now, freedom of speech, religion, media, etc etc? When the colonies were under British control, if anyone dared say anything negative about their king, or their work, they would be prosecuted... and let's just say that their sentences were not exactly lenient... Also, these courts being tried in those days under the British is something I want people to be aware of.
What would have happened if we had lost the Revolution? What would have become of our people? The answer, each and every one of the Patriots, and collaborators, would have been hanged for treason against the crown.
Freedom to bear arms? Well, the first landing on America's shores wasn't exactly tamed to begin with. And the Indians, once-enemies-now-friends, were trying to hunt the Colonists. So, they've kept their arms, until the British came and began taking their weapons. The colonists had experience with what has happened during America's first years of colonizing, and when the British had started to take their weapons, the people fired on them. They would not give them up because they knew if they had given up their weapons, they would become prey to the criminals and the wild animals out there. So, that's why we have the Second Amendment.
I'm sure I don't need to tell these people that the Bill of Rights wasn't made just to ensure that we have to be prejudice against everyone. It was to ensure, that the harm the British has caused unto them in the past, would not be caused unto us today. These rights are evidence of what sorts of evil the British has commited on the colonists.
Unfair search and seizures, corrupted trials, execution for base of opinions, use of forcing religion on others, taxation without representation, but WAIT, THERE'S MORE!
They've burned down towns, they've arrested and tried people through false evidence and false testimonies, they've gunned down anyone protesting the British's laws, they've practically took food from farmers and left people to starve on their crumbs, they've bullied, harassed, the list goes on and on.
So, why is it that the first 10 Amendments have any significance to our people today? Because if we entrust our freedom into the hands of the people in any form of power, we are basically selling our rights away. No longer living as a free, independent, smart, hardworking American citizens, but as oppressed, dependent, scared, weak American slaves. Always dependent on the people in power for choices.
Whether or not the government has a role in American society is debatable. What is NOT debatable, is them having any say in the people's lives. You want them to have a say in your life? You better be prepared to sell your freedom...
P.S. I'm well aware that this lacks proper dates, sources and such. But that is not what I'm trying to talk about. It's not the dates and/or data that I'm trying to point out. It's for the fact that these events happened AT ALL.
I'm so going to get trolled/corrected for this, but I'm taking the chance. This is my thoughts on today's America, and why I believe that our Constitution is more significant than Progression.
I pretty much agree with you. I'm very displeased with the politicians and what they are doing to this country, as well as the entitlist people who think everything should be fair for everyone.
Sad reality, if everything is fair, nothing is fair. Because sometimes life isn't fair.
I won't get into what I think about the whole homosexuality/racism thing, but that's being handled in a very asinine way as well.
Spot on, my fellow Autobot!
3066738 Thanks... I'm growing sick and tired of people coming into America and then suddenly start thinking that they call the shots.
All I gotta say is that America should teach the same morals it did when God wasn't an issue to be debating about. Sadly, that's not the case anymore. I pray for my country every night, and Israel of course, and I can only hope God has a plan for my country, because I don't want to see it crumble.
3068254 All God has said today was "Be prepared." that's all. Be ready to fight the catastrophes that will be inflicted upon America.
Do you know why they are called "amendments?" Because the Constitution as originally written did not include any provision for the preservation of the rights of the people, that was all added later. The original purpose of the Constitution was to provide a more stable basis for government than the previous Articles of Confederation which was found to produce a national government which was too weak.
3068540 While that maybe true, but for the fact that the government is trying to get any say in the people's lives, is where we know that the people screwed up. They are not suppose to have any authority over the people whatsoever.
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That is complete B.S. What possible purpose could a government serve without any authority over the people? There would be no way to enforce laws or provide for the common defence or any of the myriad other functions governments preform.
3068665 For the fact that history has demonstrated the previous attempts at higher power heads having authority over the people has failed countless times before, what difference will it make now? Just because this is America doesn't mean they are not tempted to overstep the limits our forefathers had placed on them. They are human, and are not immune to human temptations. The more power you give them, the more corrupted they become.
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What do you think is the purpose of the government? In what ways has the government overstepped it's bounds?
3068728 The government represents the people, and protect the outer borders of America from outside threats. That's all they do. The government has already ignored the process of Checks and Balances. The Legislative Branch make laws that protect the people. The President can enforce/veto the Bills that get through. But Congress can overturn the veto should they meet the requirements. However, if they can't get a bill through each other, they take it to Court. They help decide whether or not the Bill is Constitutional or not.
Nowadays, all you hear is how the President is going to "fix everything", or promise "change". You never hear about Congress making the effort to keep the Executive Branch in check. Or the Supreme court. They are suppose to focus on what laws are Constitutional or not, and whether or not it's beneficial to the people.
What do you think the government should be doing that does not involve this type of process? Checks and Balances is what the government is suppose to be doing, anything else is none of the government's damn business.
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The purpose of any government is to protect it's citizens and improve their lives.
3068820 "Improve"? That's probably the weakest excuse to allow the government any form of power. Since when did our forefathers ever wanted the government to "improve" lives?
The government doesn't improve the people's lives, it's We The People. The government wanted you to believe that improving the people's lives is their purpose.
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Why should I care what "our forefathers" wanted? What people want today matters more. The government is the agent of the people, and yes, American's lives are much better with the government than they would be without it.
3068921 The forefathers wrote those Amendments for us... for the people!! The revolution has reflected on that. Our forefathers were woried about becoming another dictator country. They were concerned for our rights, our freedom. Compared to you and your communist ideals.
Because you get to choose to use those amendments. That's what makes them special. You are free to use those Amendments, or not. But you completely fucking our forefathers means you don't care about our freedom, nor the Revolution.
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I am more interested in what those rights mean today to modern people rather than what you think they meant to people long dead. Any work like the Constitution looses it's meaning and relevance if it is not reinterpreted for each new era. It is like a great work of fiction, beloved throughout the ages. Every new generation sees something different in it and puts their own spin on things. Constitutions are no different.
3069228 Comparing the Constitution to fiction is like comparing a fire to ice. Those are your rights being thrown away. And once they are gone, you can forget about stating your opinions.
The Second Amendment, for example, couldn't be any more clear than it should be, that we the people of the United States shall not have our right to bear arms be infringed.
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Our rights aren't going anywhere.
3069273 Not yet anyways... But time has no relevance to our rights. Because those rights are by the people, for the people. Us having our rights to freedom of speech, freedom to bear arms, etc, has no relevance to time.
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I agree those rights are timeless. Interpretations of those rights might change, but the underlying right does not.
What evidence do you have that our rights are being infringed?
3069325 Gun control should be more than enough.
For the fact they restrain us on any bullet type weapons is where I'm confused about. If a full-auto rifle fires bullets, how does that make it any more dangerous than the ones we are "allowed" to have?
Also, when someone wants a full-auto rifle, which is "Government property", they have to sign a paper that states the government can come in and inspect your weapons. They will know who you are, and what you are carrying. In a nutshell, they want you to sign away your 4th amendment rights. But since they also forbid people from carrying full-auto weapons, that's 2 amendments being violated.
Whether you want to or not, you still have one amendment being taken from you, or oppressed.
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Gun control laws are so lenient in this country I can't accept that as evidence that our rights are being diminished. Besides, all major gun control legislation in recent years has been defeated by lobbying. The pro gun lobby is much more successful than the gun control lobby could ever hope to be, at least for the foreseeable future. I can't imagine gun control laws getting any tougher any time soon.
3070080 All it takes is the little things for it to get stronger. Once you give them that little, they'll ask for more. And before you know it, it's too late. They'll never stop at one.
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That is a logical fallacy.
3070120 Logic does not apply to common sense. Criminals still have the weapons that are illegal. The criminals do not care about what our laws say. Hell, they don't abide by the law.
The law only works on law abiding citizens. Criminals do not. And no matter how strict gun control laws are, they will break them, period.
In my opinion, the only weapons that citizens should not be allowed to carry are explosives, like hand grenades. Explosives have a very high chance at people dying, because explosive weaponry are uncontrollable once a mistake has been made. Compared to bullet weaponry, it only shoots in one direction. And people always treat them like they are loaded. Gunfire is controllable, compared to explosives. So, how is it that we "need" gun control laws, if the weapons fire bullets, just like any other gun?
As long as that weapon shoots bullets, I don't see any reason why people shouldn't be allowed to carry them.
The only reason that the government wanted Gun control laws in place is because if they allowed citizens to carry full auto weapons, they will remain powerless to the people. They ban those weapons, because we would be given an equal chance at being able to rebel against the government, only when we need to.
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How does logic not apply to common sense? Your previous statement was a logical fallacy, no amount of "common sense" will change that. Nothing in your argument here addresses your flawed logic.
Speaking of common sense, do you really think that small arms are really going to pose a threat to the most powerful military in the world?
Besides, you keep ignoring the point that the pro gun people are winning right now. There hasn't been any major gun control legislation proposed in I don't know how many years. You come across as rather paranoid, worrying about something which does not seem likely to happen in the foreseeable future.
Uhh... They are two seperate words and seperate systems. Can't really be interchanged.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're trying to force us to 'open our eyes' to how this country has fallen in your eyes.
I hope you do realize that a lot of the founding fathers were slaveholders right? Hell, Jefferson even had an affair with one of his. And some of the forefathers were Diests, and some were Christians (mostly Unitarians).
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3070152 What's your definition of "Military-grade" weapons?
3070251 Dude, Communism and Socialism are one and the same.
And, yes, they were slave holders, but where in the original Bill of Rights that targets a specific group of people?
For the fact that you are trying to denounce the huge turnabout, despite all odds against the British, tells me that you are trying to tell us, We The People having our rights have no real meaning.
3070152 Oh, and by the way. If you're implying that our military will harm their own citizens, you'd better think again. They are sworn by oath to protect and uphold the Constitution, and to protect their country from outside threats.
And also, who's fault is it gonna be when someone does invade the US and that our citizens are ill-equipped for it? It certainly won't be the Constitution's fault.
3070441 This is a good link that briefly describes the difference between socialism and communism
Where did you get this from what I said?
Again, no. I was just calling you out on a misinterpretation of history. Honestly you sound like Sarah Palin right now...
3071332 For the fact that Socialism is being brought in the Government system, it's still communism. Communism is a Socialist Government. There's no real difference, other than the fact it's being brought into the government.
You mean I misinterpreted your sense of history. For all I know, our forefathers have commited the biggest sacrifices, along with the Patriots. As long as that is a fact, I see no reason why the Constitution should be questioned in the first place. Becuase those Amendments are options for the people. The people's choices to speak up, or sit down. The people's choice to arm or disarm themselves. The people's choice to allow or deny housing to troops in time of peace. The people's choice to deny or allow search and seizures unless the authorities carry a warrant. The people's choice to refuse testimony if they feel it will incriminate themselves.
The first 10 basic rights are the people's choices, and the people's choice alone. That's why we were to be independent from the government. Allowing the government any form of control over these amendments is the first step to the death of Liberty, and all of their sacrifices our ancestors have commited for the future will be in vain. What is most upsetting, is that people are claiming their works as "privileges", instead of the people's free choice to use or not use the amendments. Those amendments are the people's choice, and the government has no say in those amendments.
Before you ask, "How is this related to what I just said?" It's related due to the fact Gun Control existed, taxes by the government instead of the people, all of these things have been tried and failed before, and these things were commited in Communism, aka "Socialism" as these simpletons love to call it. Those acts commited by the government today, was commited way before the Constitution was ever born.
You didn't reas the article that I posted did you?
3071502 Socialism is not suppose to be in the government, period.
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I'm not sure that I mentioned military grade weapons anywhere. It doesn't matter much to me personally what sort of weapons people own.
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The military is more than capable of defending against outside threats, there's no need to arm the citizens against it.
All federal government employees swear to protect the constitution. Why do you think that the oaths of the military are worth so much more that those of other government agents?
Besides, if the military is unwilling to back the government I don't see why there is any need for the citizenry to be armed. The military would simply carry out a coup and depose the government they object to. Furthermore, there are numerous instances of the military being used against US citizens throughout our history. For example the Whiskey Rebellion, the Civil War, the Jayuya Uprising, Kent State, the list goes on.
3072323 There is a saying called, "Being prepared" you dipshit. And that includes defending yourself from terrorist or any other foreign attacks.
3072323 And plus, compared to the military being under oath, they are being put through hell to defend their country. Compared to government officials, they just say words. That's all they do.
>makes a blog whining about "Progression"
>fails to specify what about "Progression" is so bad
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That is a very distant possibility. There are people whose job it is to deal with those sorts of problems, and a bunch of yahoos running around waving guns and playing soldier is just going to make their jobs harder.
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Just because they are not asked to sacrifice in the same way as the military does not mean that bureaucrats take their oaths any less seriously.
3072477 Yes, but because anyone can get into the government system, ex Obama, you run into higher risks of them being highly disloyal to your country. Where as our soldiers, who put their lives on the line because they want to protect it, have less likely chances of stabbing us in the back because they care for our country, and are willing to represent their country.
Someone once told me a smart requirement system that might help lessen the issue of loyalty. A requirement in where someone has to serve 4 years in the military in order to lay a hand in office.
"A man who will not die for something is not fit to live." - Martin Luther King Jr. And if we take that quote into account, if someone's not willing to take a simple 4 years of service to their country, they are not fit to represent their country.
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I guess if that's what you believe. I still don't understand why you think that government employees are disloyal.
3074606 I'm sorry if I implied that all government employees are disloyal. But there are still traitors in the system, trying to bring it down from the inside.
To test ones loyalty to their country, they must serve their country. Some of the employees may have been true to their word, but that does not mean they all did. And right now, they are serving themselves.
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They are serving their country, by working in the government. Military service is not the only worthwhile thing to do.
How are they trying to bring down the system?
3074685 They may have been born American, that does not mean they were taught American, let alone, taught loyalty.
And since anyone can be in Congress, they can easily get Unconstitutional laws through without even trying. They say words, but that doesn't always mean they are true.
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I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
3074774 Remember home teaching? They could have taught them through that. There are traitors in America, the problem is pointing out who. And for all I know, they might have taught their children/people to trick and manipulate their way into the system. Through blackmail, bribery, etc.
I may lack the evidence to make my case... however, you cannot deny it's a possibility.
This is the land of the free... where we can decide to be good people, or dominate and power-hungry. There will always be 2 sides in America, and that includes the government.
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Home teaching? What does that have to do with anything?
They might be traitors, the world might also be run by telepathic ants, or gravity might not be caused by mass but by magic pixie dust, or the sun might be secretly controlled by a magical horse princess. All this things are highly unlikely.
3076783 Well, parents have the option to private teach their children. But because of that option, they may have manipulated their children into running the government is their ticket to power.
And for the fact you haven't noticed the increase in crime rates due to gun control, higher unemployment rates because of the Obamacare, AND for the fact "President" Barack Obama forged his birth certificate in order to stay in office is very disappointing. This is more than enough evidence to prove there are simpletons and traitors in our government offices. Breaking the foundations of their positions our forefathers have placed on them in order to gain the upper hand in controling the population.
Barack Obama is a big, fatass liar, I wouldn't even believe him if he told me, "I lied". He willingly refused to release his birth certificate, if that's any indication of his lies and manipulations. If he was born in America, he would have no problem showing us his birth certificate. Because he refused, that's a huge hint that his birthplace is not America. You are suppose to be born in America in order to serve Presidency. But since he refused to show his birth certificate on the day he was asked to show it, it's pretty big indicator that he bought himself time to forge his certificate. He's not American, therefore, he's a traitor in our office.
Also, let's not forget that there are over 500 people within Congress. And since the Legislative Branch does not make it a requirement to be born in the states, any immigrant, legal or otherwise, are allowed to come within office. And since there's a big possibility that some of them were not taught American History and US Government, let alone, born American, we are facing the risks of traitors within our system. And higher chances of them stepping out of line under our noses.
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The crime rate has been falling since the since the early 90's.
Obama was born in Hawaii. Why in the hell was he the one everyone blew their stack over when McCain was absolutely not born in the US?
You do have to be a citizen to be elected to congress, so illegal immigrants can't be. Do you have any examples?
3077390 Please, if anything has gone down since the early 90s, it's our rights to bear arms. Thanks to their banning on weapons, the Black Markets are making major profits compared to them being legal.
Also, do you recall the hunt for the Communists and Nazis within the Government system started by Douglas MacArthur after WW2?
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Douglas MaCArthur the general? I think you mean Eugene McCarthy the Representative who ran the House Un-American Activities Committee. They were hunting for American communists, not non citizen immigrants. They never found any.
And you want to talk about unconstitutional, how about persecuting Americans for their beliefs, as the HUAC tried to do.
Do you have any evidence that crime has increased in recent years? Every study I have seen says it has decreased and I'd like some evidence otherwise.