I sense a threesome ahead. My threesome senses be a-tingling. Still like the story, even though I didn't really like half of the chapter, especially because I find it hard to believe. I mean the situation with Vinyl's parents and the orphanage.
Well I'm sorry to hear you didn't like that part, but it's part of her back story since she has to go from a spoiled brat to the down to earth mare she is now. There is more back story to come for all of them, explaining how they ended up where they are today, hope you will be able to enjoy it more in the future.
3401946 No, I got it all right; I just couldn't believe that any family in the world can act like that and still remain a family. I come from a very family-oriented background, where 'family comes first' is not just a saying: it's a way of life.
Sorry... but I just don't really get what you mean right now? Is it the fact that they spoiled Vinyl into becoming a really nasty little self absorbed bitch or the fact that her parents realized what was happening with her and did something to show how life really works outside of her happy little bubble of reality?
Because believe me it happens, I speak from experience on this issue myself as well. I was unfortunately quite like teenage Vinyl when I was a child, a total terror who only thought about myself. At least until my mother sent me away to be with a lot of other kids for a summer and I realize that I can always have everything my own way...
Since I was born to a mother who was deemed by the doctors to be infertile, it was not very surprising when she spoiled me something fierce especially while I was younger. And even though I didn't steal from an orphanage I sure did some pretty nasty things because I just thought they were within my rights simply by virtue of me existing. Finally she realized what was happening to me and where I was heading as a human being and did something about it, and believe me, I've never been so grateful for anything in my life once I realized just how skewer my world view was!
Sorry for pouring my heart out here, just wanted you to know where I was coming from in this whole family oriented background issue thing, there is after all very many ways to look at family.
3402034 What I mean is, family is family and it comes first, no matter what. I mean, it's probably a good thing that you are grateful for that, but I can't imagine something like that in my family. What I'm trying to say is... Well, like, family is more important than anything in the world. More important than global matters, friends, job, finding your place in life, orphans, etc etc. When I say I come from such a background, I mean that we (I have many cousins) were all educated in one place, at my uncle's mansion, and I don't remember a single one of them growing spoilt. When we all grew up, some of my cousins became pretty bad people whom I sometimes wish to despise. But I can't. Because it's in my nature, in my very Scottish whisky-stained genes. They are family. I'd accept them even if they were serial killers or genocide committers. Because family.
Okay... I think I'm starting to see the picture here. I have a very different sense of family since... well... you see my blood family treated my mother very poorly growing up and even continued with it as adults, constantly demanding she be there for them but never returned the favor. She has forgiven them, having more your point of view when it comes to family a believe. Me personally... no. I cannot forgive them for some of the very bad things they've done to my mother... My (real) family consists of my mother, my grandmother, and my mother's best friend's family who took me in as one of their own during some very turbulent times in my life. Through my bonus family I have two brothers and a sister that I consider much closer than anything else in the world even though we are not blood related, and they feel the same about me. I'm even the Godfather of my eldest (brother's) kids... So yeah... we're definitely not a normal (family) but I would, as you say, do anything for them no matter what it was In a heartbeat.
But if someone from my blood family called me demanding I help them with something... I would quite frankly tell them the to go jump off a cliff or something. So I believe family can look quite strange sometimes, but if the love is real, it is still family.
3402123 Fair point. Our views just differ. But then again, I am very very conservative for a 29-year-old, so I always come off as a strange person, even in England, not to mention with foreigners.
NP, it was an interesting conversation and it's always good to hear different points of view. I would say I'm just like you but on the completely other side of the spectrum, with a very wide and open view of family even for us Swedish people who are quite liberal to begin with... and yet... two individuals with completely different views of something having a nice calm discussion together in a MLP forum...
That wouldn't happen in to many other places on the inter-web I believe.
Have a good one, and thank you again for your contribution in the comments, I truly love to hear what other people think and how they react.
3402077 and what they did for Vinyl helped her become someone that would last in later life. Honestly, just doing nothing would have been cruel and unusual in the long run. They were looking out for family.
3402077 I think Vinyl's parents acted as they did because of that saying of yours. Family before everything; why not try to help your family and make sure they actually get a decent life in the future, instead of letting them stay in their self-absorbed little bubble?
They don't do it because they don't value her over the money, they do it because they value her more than the money. She means everything to them, and they want her to have a good life. What better way to make sure she gets a good life than to teach her how to live and love?
3402123>>3402077 psp, leon, after reading these two comments I came to realize that psp7master would fit in well with the apple family and leonofsweden can easily relate with either vinyl or octy in this this story, you two are just awesome
Yay! Right on the money bags of the issue there Kapuchu! At least in my own humble and not at all bias opinion... Thank you for seeing my point of view so clearly in this little parenting technique discussion
Hihi... wouldn't you like to know? I actually have something special for that planned next chapter, and I think you'll all be a bit surprised by it... and hopefully happily so!
3403319 I respect this noble goal; but not the method. You just don't get my meaning: I am fully supportive of what goal Vinyl's parents were trying to achieve, but not the way they were trying wo achieve that.
3405744 How would you have done it, then? Vinyl was so far out that she valued her own selfish desires above the well-being of an entire orphanage. How could her parents have taught her the lesson she needed to learn without using drastic measures?
that she valued her own selfish desires above the well-being of an entire orphanage
Here. This, here. My parents would have valued my own selfish desires over the well-being of an entire land of orphanages. I value my son's desires above the well-being of the rest of the whole world.
That's the thing. It's the priorities that we have. By talking to children, we can teach them a lesson. But, if they don't learn it, we can only offer support.
But again, this is how I was raised and this is how I live.
3405800 Then answer me this; Could you, without any regrets, indirectly take the home from fifty orphans because your son wanted something instead?
Would you abandon the need of the many for the unimportant want of your own offspring? Can you truly say that you care so little for the need of those that have nothing, that you would turn the blind eye and say "They're not important," when you are clearly in a position to help them?
Again, imagine I am single. I have the means to help orphans somewhere-or-the-other. I would do that, given the chance, because I value their needs above my own needs.
Here's the real thing: I am married and have a son. I have the means to help orphans somewhere-or-the-other (providing them with food and place to live) OR I can put off this money so that my son can attend a good college and then go to Oxbridge, and never need anything until he is able to provide for himself. OF COURSE I chose the latter option. The well-being and the luxury of my family will always come before anything else.
People around the world may be dying and starving, and my heart goes out to them. Their troubles are more important that my personal wants, and I know that. But family comes on top of all of it. Because it is family. All those people around the world are aliens. Your family, however, is your family.
We do not connect directly to the world. No human being is part of the whole world directly. We are part of a family, and a family is part of a nation, and a nation is a part of the world.
I can put off this money so that my son can attend a good college and then go to Oxbridge, and never need anything until he is able to provide for himself.
This isn't what I meant. What I was talking about is if your son had everything he needed (I count education as among those) and he wanted, say, a bike, and you couldn't afford it without using the saved up money you would use to buy food for the local homeless* and you then bought your son a bike because, hey, him getting a bike is more important than starving people getting food.
The bike is unimportant to your son, but the food the money could buy would be very important to those that have nothing. That is what Vinyl did, she put her own unimportant wants (wanting a studio) above the need for shelter and food for over fifty kids that had nothing.
Don't get me wrong, I fully understand that you value your son above anything else, so would I if I had one, it's only natural. But putting their self-absorbed demands above the needs of those who truly need the help you can provide (if you chose/had promised to provide) is, in my mind, disgusting.
Family before everything, but don't turn a blind eye to those who need help. That's how I see it.
*I am only setting an example, a "what if." I'm not saying you should do any of that, nor that you are doing it.
3407219 What I am about to say is by no means an insult to your or your family, just know that.
...But I must be completely frank and say that it disgusts me. It really does. I am appalled that someone would even think about letting people starve when they have promised to provide money for food so that the said people can eat (again, I am not saying this happened). If I was the one who had given such a promise I would honour it, I would tell my kids to suck it up and realise that there are people out there in greater need than them.
Also, thank you for not flipping out... I have a feeling most people would blow up at having their parents' way of raising their children criticised...
Keep writing this my magnificent friend. You have actually got me to consider making a whole new recommendation category on my user page just to show this of. Absolutely brilliant. I'm just sorry I didn't find this a lot sooner.
Fav and like well earned.
That Vinyl. Just got love that dirty little mind of hers.
I loved reading this, and I dearly hope you keep going!! I started reading clopfics a while ago, and most of them are just about the sex and what not, but this was a great story. With the romance and especially the awkwardness, which was done so well.
Well done for you sir!!!! Please make more chapters!!!
There was a bit of an awkward silence as both Octavia and Fiddlesticks looked at each other, one crimson red and the other with her jaw hanging open. And then Vinyl burst out in a wide grin.
Wait who said "yes"? and who said "no"? The one that said "yes" has got to be the one that's blushing.
i don't think i like this anymore. don't get me wrong you're not a bad writer the dynamic and backstories of the characters are great. but now it seems to me to be just about sex and then there's the thing that fiddle is married and vinyl is intentionally making it hard for her I'm not saying that there is anything bad about liking this It's just that I'm don't like that kind of stuff. I'm going to try to keep reading because i like the characters.I'm sorry I hope I'm not being too mean.
I sense a threesome ahead. My threesome senses be a-tingling.
Still like the story, even though I didn't really like half of the chapter, especially because I find it hard to believe. I mean the situation with Vinyl's parents and the orphanage.
3401913
Well I'm sorry to hear you didn't like that part, but it's part of her back story since she has to go from a spoiled brat to the down to earth mare she is now. There is more back story to come for all of them, explaining how they ended up where they are today, hope you will be able to enjoy it more in the future.
In the meantime have a good one!
3401946
No, I got it all right; I just couldn't believe that any family in the world can act like that and still remain a family. I come from a very family-oriented background, where 'family comes first' is not just a saying: it's a way of life.
3401954
Sorry... but I just don't really get what you mean right now? Is it the fact that they spoiled Vinyl into becoming a really nasty little self absorbed bitch or the fact that her parents realized what was happening with her and did something to show how life really works outside of her happy little bubble of reality?
Because believe me it happens, I speak from experience on this issue myself as well. I was unfortunately quite like teenage Vinyl when I was a child, a total terror who only thought about myself. At least until my mother sent me away to be with a lot of other kids for a summer and I realize that I can always have everything my own way...
Since I was born to a mother who was deemed by the doctors to be infertile, it was not very surprising when she spoiled me something fierce especially while I was younger. And even though I didn't steal from an orphanage I sure did some pretty nasty things because I just thought they were within my rights simply by virtue of me existing. Finally she realized what was happening to me and where I was heading as a human being and did something about it, and believe me, I've never been so grateful for anything in my life once I realized just how skewer my world view was!
Sorry for pouring my heart out here, just wanted you to know where I was coming from in this whole family oriented background issue thing, there is after all very many ways to look at family.
3402034
What I mean is, family is family and it comes first, no matter what. I mean, it's probably a good thing that you are grateful for that, but I can't imagine something like that in my family.
What I'm trying to say is... Well, like, family is more important than anything in the world. More important than global matters, friends, job, finding your place in life, orphans, etc etc. When I say I come from such a background, I mean that we (I have many cousins) were all educated in one place, at my uncle's mansion, and I don't remember a single one of them growing spoilt. When we all grew up, some of my cousins became pretty bad people whom I sometimes wish to despise. But I can't. Because it's in my nature, in my very Scottish whisky-stained genes. They are family. I'd accept them even if they were serial killers or genocide committers. Because family.
3402077
Okay... I think I'm starting to see the picture here. I have a very different sense of family since... well... you see my blood family treated my mother very poorly growing up and even continued with it as adults, constantly demanding she be there for them but never returned the favor. She has forgiven them, having more your point of view when it comes to family a believe. Me personally... no. I cannot forgive them for some of the very bad things they've done to my mother... My (real) family consists of my mother, my grandmother, and my mother's best friend's family who took me in as one of their own during some very turbulent times in my life. Through my bonus family I have two brothers and a sister that I consider much closer than anything else in the world even though we are not blood related, and they feel the same about me. I'm even the Godfather of my eldest (brother's) kids... So yeah... we're definitely not a normal (family) but I would, as you say, do anything for them no matter what it was In a heartbeat.
But if someone from my blood family called me demanding I help them with something... I would quite frankly tell them the to go jump off a cliff or something. So I believe family can look quite strange sometimes, but if the love is real, it is still family.
3402123
Fair point. Our views just differ. But then again, I am very very conservative for a 29-year-old, so I always come off as a strange person, even in England, not to mention with foreigners.
3402139
NP, it was an interesting conversation and it's always good to hear different points of view. I would say I'm just like you but on the completely other side of the spectrum, with a very wide and open view of family even for us Swedish people who are quite liberal to begin with... and yet... two individuals with completely different views of something having a nice calm discussion together in a MLP forum...
That wouldn't happen in to many other places on the inter-web I believe.
Have a good one, and thank you again for your contribution in the comments, I truly love to hear what other people think and how they react.
3402160
This is why I just love this fandom.
Thank you for an interesting discussion.
3402077 and what they did for Vinyl helped her become someone that would last in later life. Honestly, just doing nothing would have been cruel and unusual in the long run. They were looking out for family.
3402203
Our views differ, I am afraid. That method would be deemed unacceptable where I'm from.
3402077
I think Vinyl's parents acted as they did because of that saying of yours. Family before everything; why not try to help your family and make sure they actually get a decent life in the future, instead of letting them stay in their self-absorbed little bubble?
They don't do it because they don't value her over the money, they do it because they value her more than the money. She means everything to them, and they want her to have a good life. What better way to make sure she gets a good life than to teach her how to live and love?
Flowmaster? you know I rather like that title
I'm calling it now. Octavia said no and Fiddlesticks said yes.
Minor correction tales should be tails. That aside, the ending is hilarious. Keep up the good work.
3402123>>3402077 psp, leon, after reading these two comments I came to realize that psp7master would fit in well with the apple family and leonofsweden can easily relate with either vinyl or octy in this this story, you two are just awesome
3403319
Yay! Right on the money bags of the issue there Kapuchu! At least in my own humble and not at all bias opinion...
Thank you for seeing my point of view so clearly in this little parenting technique discussion
3403414
I actually think you've told me that once before so I have continued to call you that
3403706
Hihi... wouldn't you like to know? I actually have something special for that planned next chapter, and I think you'll all be a bit surprised by it... and hopefully happily so!
3403973
Why thank you very much for pointing that out VulcanFire, and the issue is now fixed!
3404133
Hmmm... eeyup!
3404386
I have never experienced something like this myself, or seen other people experience it, but it just seemed so obvious
3403319
I respect this noble goal; but not the method. You just don't get my meaning: I am fully supportive of what goal Vinyl's parents were trying to achieve, but not the way they were trying wo achieve that.
3404133
3405744
How would you have done it, then? Vinyl was so far out that she valued her own selfish desires above the well-being of an entire orphanage. How could her parents have taught her the lesson she needed to learn without using drastic measures?
3405755
Here. This, here. My parents would have valued my own selfish desires over the well-being of an entire land of orphanages. I value my son's desires above the well-being of the rest of the whole world.
That's the thing. It's the priorities that we have. By talking to children, we can teach them a lesson. But, if they don't learn it, we can only offer support.
But again, this is how I was raised and this is how I live.
3405800
Then answer me this; Could you, without any regrets, indirectly take the home from fifty orphans because your son wanted something instead?
Would you abandon the need of the many for the unimportant want of your own offspring? Can you truly say that you care so little for the need of those that have nothing, that you would turn the blind eye and say "They're not important," when you are clearly in a position to help them?
3405805
It depends on the situation.
Again, imagine I am single. I have the means to help orphans somewhere-or-the-other. I would do that, given the chance, because I value their needs above my own needs.
Here's the real thing: I am married and have a son. I have the means to help orphans somewhere-or-the-other (providing them with food and place to live) OR I can put off this money so that my son can attend a good college and then go to Oxbridge, and never need anything until he is able to provide for himself. OF COURSE I chose the latter option. The well-being and the luxury of my family will always come before anything else.
People around the world may be dying and starving, and my heart goes out to them. Their troubles are more important that my personal wants, and I know that. But family comes on top of all of it. Because it is family. All those people around the world are aliens. Your family, however, is your family.
We do not connect directly to the world. No human being is part of the whole world directly. We are part of a family, and a family is part of a nation, and a nation is a part of the world.
3405821
This isn't what I meant. What I was talking about is if your son had everything he needed (I count education as among those) and he wanted, say, a bike, and you couldn't afford it without using the saved up money you would use to buy food for the local homeless* and you then bought your son a bike because, hey, him getting a bike is more important than starving people getting food.
The bike is unimportant to your son, but the food the money could buy would be very important to those that have nothing. That is what Vinyl did, she put her own unimportant wants (wanting a studio) above the need for shelter and food for over fifty kids that had nothing.
Don't get me wrong, I fully understand that you value your son above anything else, so would I if I had one, it's only natural. But putting their self-absorbed demands above the needs of those who truly need the help you can provide (if you chose/had promised to provide) is, in my mind, disgusting.
Family before everything, but don't turn a blind eye to those who need help. That's how I see it.
*I am only setting an example, a "what if." I'm not saying you should do any of that, nor that you are doing it.
3406985
Yes. That's exactly how I was brought up
3407219
What I am about to say is by no means an insult to your or your family, just know that.
...But I must be completely frank and say that it disgusts me. It really does. I am appalled that someone would even think about letting people starve when they have promised to provide money for food so that the said people can eat (again, I am not saying this happened). If I was the one who had given such a promise I would honour it, I would tell my kids to suck it up and realise that there are people out there in greater need than them.
3407249
I'm glad to hear out your opiion. You have yours, I have mine.
3407269
At least we agree on that.
Also, thank you for not flipping out... I have a feeling most people would blow up at having their parents' way of raising their children criticised...
3407278
No, that's all right. I'm used to talking to very liberal people while I am overly-conservative. That's all right.
3407305
I don't even know what Liberal or Conservative means... It's called different things in my native tongue, so...
Wow, I found the Great Comment War in this thread.
I've been busy as hell recently, and have only just got round to reading this chapter now and all I can say is... Wow That was really, REALLY hot...
Keep writing this my magnificent friend. You have actually got me to consider making a whole new recommendation category on my user page just to show this of. Absolutely brilliant. I'm just sorry I didn't find this a lot sooner.
Fav and like well earned.
That Vinyl. Just got love that dirty little mind of hers.
3456190
I thank you very much Petu! And I'm totally super duper thrilled you like it too!!!
I hope you will continue enjoying the crap out of this as the story comes along! In the meantime, have a nice one!!!
Absolutely brilliant!
Absolutely brilliant!!!
I loved reading this, and I dearly hope you keep going!!
I started reading clopfics a while ago, and most of them are just about the sex and what not, but this was a great story. With the romance and especially the awkwardness, which was done so well.
Well done for you sir!!!!
Please make more chapters!!!
3465909
No need to worry EternalFire! There will definitely be more chapters of this coming out with more awkward moments for everybody!
still no hornplay >__<
but funny story, can't wait for the foursome
I need more...
Wait who said "yes"? and who said "no"?
The one that said "yes" has got to be the one that's blushing.
3534972
Definitely maby!
I concur white the pink one!
3535113
I don't get it?
Tavi turns out to be the naughty one.
I'm not calling it, I'm ordering. Make it happen, writey man.
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3535309
You weren't really meant to, that was the pont of it.
3535575
Next chapter is at the editors so it's not too long a wait until publication now I think.
3535832
I hate you... follow.
Great chapter, i really enjoyed it, laughing alot and smiling, thx for making my day ;)
3541889
Thank you Cyber! I'm hoping to deliver more very soon
3550001
You are welcome Twiggy!
3555825
Fixed!
3555835
And fixed! Although next time give me a bit more of the sentence to work with, it was quite hard finding the first error to fix...
i don't think i like this anymore. don't get me wrong you're not a bad writer the dynamic and backstories of the characters are great. but now it seems to me to be just about sex and then there's the thing that fiddle is married and vinyl is intentionally making it hard for her I'm not saying that there is anything bad about liking this It's just that I'm don't like that kind of stuff. I'm going to try to keep reading because i like the characters.I'm sorry I hope I'm not being too mean.