I'm a long time science fiction and animation fan who stumbled into My Little Pony fandom and got caught -- I guess I'm a Brony Forever now.
Late December, YOH 1502, Not Quite Our Equestria:
After playing a major role in the Hearth's Warming Eve Pageant at Canterlot, Pinkie Pie decides to finally visit her family for the first time in five and a half years. But will she be met with acceptance or rejection, over the things she's learned and done, of which her old-fashioned family would never approve? And, even if they accept her, does she fear what she might learn about herself?
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Well I am always ready for a story with Pinkie and Dash. Granted I hope that in the end that their relationship does not fall apart due to being influenced by the evil tainting Cloud Kicker in this universe. That would be depressing.
I will say that regardless one thing I do enjoy is the imagination in your stories. Not always the way I would choose to go but certainly well doen and interesting.
I also will track this in the hope for a happy ending for Pinkie and Dashie (granted for me the best would also include them staying together but we will see if it is in the cards).
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You may note that in my main worldline stories, I have immense respect for all of Celestia's Champions, and that includes Rainbow Dash and Pinkie Pie. Indeed, one of my main gripes with the Winningverse is that both are treated as if they are mentally, emotionally and morally retarded. Notably, Pinkie has no depth beyond "Whee! I like parties!" and "Wow! I [inexicably] love Rainbow Dash!" Pinkie is the only member of the Mane Six who is treated as promiscuous (more on that in a moment), and one of only two of them to succumb to Cloud Kicker (and Fluttershy's subsequent behavior strongly indicates that she can subconsciously tell that something is very wrong with Cloud Kicker -- in the Degradingverse, it's because her love tastes off to her Royal-Changeling empathy). Rainbow Dash is treated as stupid because she's a virgin and Oblivious To Love.
Indeed, one of the most emotionally-horrifying (if you like Dashie and Pinkie) moments of the whole Winningverse takes place in The Life and Times of a Winning Pony,
In context -- Rainbow Dash is getting worried because Pinkie wants sex and Dashie has no idea how to make love (because of the physical and emotional damage Cloud did her in Flight School, she's at most emotionally demisexual (like my Trixie) and physically has very little sensation in her own genitalia because of massive injuries inflicted by Cloud Kicker (the ones Goldie is diagnosing in Chapter 1 of my story). And Rainbow Dash does the one thing one should never do in a Winningverse story -- she asks Cloud Kicker for advice (she's the only one of the Winningverse Mane Six so naive as to trust Cloud Kicker -- even Fluttershy and Pinkie Pie don't do that).
Whereupon the following conversation occurs:
Careful, Winning-Through-Degradation. You're peeking out a bit too far from under Cloud Kicker.
WINNING: That's right. I ate your True Love and crapped her out as nutritionally-unsatisfying. Got a problem with that?
WINNING: Hence, Pinkie was only useful to me as a food source. It's not as if she yet figured greatly in my larger strategic plans, save as it was important to neutralize the threat she posed to them.
WINNING: I mock your pain and enjoy the way it weakens your psychic defenses!
RAINBOW: How bad is the news?
WINNING: She's the other town bicycle. You know, the one with pretty streamers and training wheels? When Ponies get used to riding on her, they graduate to me. Oh, I'm sorry. Did you see Pinkie as somepony special?
That last part is Rainbow's moment of sheer magnificence in the scene. She's learned something horrifying about Pinkie, something which would have led many Ponies -- especially ones as idealistic about love as Dashie -- to give up entirely on her love.
That may, in fact, have been Winning's intention. Winning knows that it can't be blatant about its power -- if it starts acting like a character from Erotic Mind Control porn, it's going to be noticed, and the Sunshine in the form of a giant super-powered Alicorn is going to ruin its day. It's not strong enough (yet) to take on Celestia in a one-on-one mind duel. And it knows this.
So it has to act through Cloud Kicker, and do nothing inexplicable by being a "normal" nymphomaniac Pegasus. What's more, there's a rock-paper-scissors matchup between Lust (Winning's Shadow Vice Element) and the other Elements. It's strongest against Kindness, and weakest against Loyalty. (It gets as far as it does against Derpy, a backup Loyalty, because Derpy genuinely loves Cloud Kicker).
Cloud Kicker can beat Rainbow Dash in direct physical combat (at least at this point in their careers), and thus a possible strategy would be to kill Dashie, getting her out of the picture. The problem is that this would attract attention. Murder is rare in Equestria, and Rainbow Dash both prominent, and famous for her honor and decency. Winning is afraid of disposing of Dashie so directly, at least before it can get the Two Royal Alicorn Sisters under its sway, and so far Winning has only slightly Tainted Luna (and very carefully, and still Celestia has noticed that there's something wrong with her Sister).
Besides, killing Rainbow Dash would deprive Winning of the opportunity to drain her powerful Element. Demoralizing Dashie would work better. A corrupted Loyalty -- and one more powerful than Derpy (whom Cloud and hence Winning both underestimate) -- would make a useful piece in the chess game Winning is playing against Celestia.
Note that what Cloud Kicker is by implication saying here. "Your fillyfriend? Yeah, I already banged her. Just like I did to Fluttershy. Your ideals are childish, your love is worthless -- all you can ever aspire to are my cast-offs. Submit to me."
And Rainbow's ultimate reaction?
"Damn, if Pinkie Pie is more experienced than I thought, that means I have to try even harder to make her feel good."
That is pure love speaking there. Pure Loyalty. And it flies right over Winning's nasty little tactic.
That exchange, in fact, is what made me realize that Winning made a serious mistake in its chess game.
Cloud Kicker helped Rainbow and Pinkie to get togther. Why? The perceptions of the alternate Pinkies, including the one from the main Shadow Wars worldlines, is that it was an act of kindness by Cloud. This is also what Cloud herself claims in The Incredibly Dense Mind of Rainbow Dash.
Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Winning originally Tainted Pinkie because it feared Pinkie's power -- Pinkie has perhaps the most dangerous abilities out of any of the Mane Six, because her abilities encompass and transcend the ultimate weapon of the Cosmic Concepts -- the Nullification. Pinkie Pie has the power of controlled causality alteration -- Wishing -- the same sort of power as her Sire, the Paradise Entity, which is a Paracosmic being. Winning has reduced Pinkie's effective intellect and increased her hedonism to the point where (it hopes) Pinkie can't notice it or interfere with its plans.
Rainbow's power is not as subtle, but is very dangerous to Winning. Rainbow has Loyalty, and the most fundamental manifestation of this is that Rainbow Dash cannot be seduced or controlled by any external force, especially where such control would violate her ideals. Winning's primary power is seduction, followed by mind control. Winning can't use this power directly against Rainbow Dash. It's a straight-up No Sell situation.
Winning knows this because Winning has never been able to control Derpy, only manipulate her, and only through Cloud Kicker's normal social skills.
I haven't decided yet if Winning yet grasps the greater powers of Loyalty. Rainbowr Dash can directly sense when one to whom she is Loyal is in danger, and all her abilities are amplified when fighting for that to whom she is Loyal. Ultimately, she has what amounts to a very limited Wish for victory in such a situation. That, in fact, is why Rainbow Dash nearly won her fillyhood fight with Cloud Kicker, despite the facts that Rainbow Dash was five years younger (8 to CloudKicker's 13) and did achieve her end (she made Cloud stop raping Fluttershy, at least for many years to come).
She didn't, of course, win Fluttershy's love for herself. But then Loyalty is by definition to another, and ensuring that other's success -- not one's own.
The great irony here, of course, is that Cloud Kicker herself was a potential Loyalty. That's precisely why Winning values her so highly as a host. In consuming Cloud's Element, Winning was able to grow strong even before Tainting anyone else. Winning-Through-Degradation's first and most complete victim, of course, was Cloud Kicker.
Winning's great mistake is that it went along with Cloud's plan to bring Pinkie and Rainbow together. It assumed that Pinkie had been reduced to a harmless airhead, and that Rainbow had always been a clueless fool. But what it did was to strengthen Friendship and spark a powerful Love, which are fundamental psychic forces -- and ones very strong against Lust. Pinkie, freed of her compulsive promiscuity (which was helping keep her mind simple, because whenever she throught too hard about her situation she was consumed by self-loathing) and sheltered by Rainbow's Loyalty from Winning's direct power, has begun to heal from the psychic damage Winning did her in 1495, seven years ago. And Pinkie's Love for Rainbow Dash, reinforced by her power to Wish, is beginning to heal Rainbow of the emotional and physical damage Winning did to her in 1490, twelve years ago.
The scene I quoted was probably Winning starting to realize the danger and trying to shatter Rainbow's Love for Pinkie, by the normal social tactic of telling Rainbow something bad about Pinkie so that Dashie would despise her.
It didn't work. Rainbow's Loyalty was too strong. Rainbow re-interpreted it as her own failing.
Two of Winning's victims have come together, and are growing stronger in their mutual Love.
They are starting to wake up from their spell, and Winning does not know what to do.
Well keeping all of that in mind I guess we will see if Pinkie and Dash's love for each other can overcome the darkness and how them conquering this foe will affect the world and those around them. And perhaps they can find more happiness with each other along the way.
I'm gld your doing with the winning (It not only a pathetic corruption in my opinion but relies on parodying a person personality to the extreme.)
"Yeah at least i am creative with my new personality these parody personality are a insult to my former work and other personality changer art." Discord said annoyed (I imagine him not to mess with the invisible corruption just yet, he wants to know if its hiding something before reacting hence why he's not attacking it for fluttershy sake just yet)
and i'm glad pinkie (Almost) completely threw off her shackles. hopefully the return to the rock farm will cure her better. and as a pinkie/rainbow dash shipper i approve what your doing here.
So good work, can't wait to see what you do in your next chap.
So Minty is a previous incarnation of Twilight, like Dusk Skyshine?
And Paradise has the knowledge of the lost timeline, plus everything before and after and literally every fact ever discovered? And when Pinkie regains her powers she gains that knowledge?
how would it be if you implemented paragraphs to the summary?
furthermore, you don't need to add "chapter 1" in the chapter title either, just add the code for chapter numbers after the title
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I did use the code for chapter numbers, so I'm not sure to what you refer.
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Twilight is in part a reincarnation of G3 Minty.
Paradise has all the knowledge of the Age of Wonders, and of the Age of Paradise. Scientific discovery slowed among the hedonistic Ponies of the Age of Paradise. It did not stop completely. And the Age of Paradise lasted three thousand years.
5454286 Guess the code gives the effect of perfectly organized chapter numbers, but the number after the title, without adding "Chapter" first since it is implied in the first place.
The front; summary and chapter titles is the first we see of the story, which could deflect interested readers and give some the excuse they feel they need to down vote a story.
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But I like the word "Chapter" as part of chapter titles. And a lot of stories on site -- and, for that matter, published books, use the word "Chapter" in their chapter titles.
5454634 I guess I can go with the preference.
What works for a printed book with hundreds of pages, doesn't have to work for a story without these pages.
What others does or doesn't is no excuse, it it was, I could go around murder and rake people, as bad an example as that was.
I guess this is one of the details we are bound to disagree, some like it, others doesn't.
At least the title is short enough to give room for it.
From my own experience, I take it you have a reason for the title of the chapter that makes perfect sense to you, even if it sounds off to me and most likely others as well. (Sounds like a version of Party of One)
Hope you don't mind me expressing my perspective here.
If more did the same, it would be an even better community for all on the site.-
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It's the inverse situation to "Party of One." In "Party of One," Pinkie begins losing her sanity because she fears she is unloved; in "Party of Many," Pinkie begins regaining her sanity because she knows she is loved.
5454839 Pinkie Pie and her state of mind seems to be a very common and popular topic for stories. Even I have some on this.
Though I can't recall any on the ascension, or even mentioning of it. Guess it is about time.
She commonly knows it, even if it seems the consequences of her not realizing it can be very dire to any close by, herself included.
She can be quite spectacular, when everything is on the up and up too, which is some fun to see.
5454292 In part?
So Pinkie's basically got all the knowledge of a supercomputer plus a lot more.
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Though, note ... she has to look it up. She's super-intelligent herself -- about as smart as Twilight Sparkle but in a different way -- but she's not as vastly intelligent as is her Sire, the Paradise Entity.
5456994 So she has access to the supercomputer, and is not the computer itself?
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Exactly. Though anything she's learned and bothered to remember, she knows. And she has an eidetic memory for anything she cares to remember.
5457170 Got it.
I can't wait to see where you will go with this. Got to see how Pinkie will deal with the family and how they will deal with Dash and Dash with them.
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Wow. I think the Winningverse ended up pretty horrible and even I think you're reading too much deliberate malice into that conversation (and not enough harmful stupidity).
A more plausible reading is that Cloudkicker is trying to help but not very hard, because she wouldn't put that much effort into helping someone instead of getting laid, so she's not really thinking about what she's saying. Further, the fact she's a self-centered moron is hamstringing her attempts because she can't conceive of other people being bothered by things that don't bother her, except in the most abstract way and even then only after they've started showing signs of distress.