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This story is a sequel to Star Swirl and Stripes Forever


"The stars will aid in her escape." That was the agreement. But Nightmare Moon did not live up to her end of the bargain. Now, the ponies she raised have escaped from the stars and want vengeance. So they break out and raise another of Celestia's relatives. One who was hated by his relatives far beyond what Nightmare Moon ever was. Morning Star.

Story four of The Truthseekerverse. The first to need an AU tag before publishing. Probably still possible to read before the others.

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Morning Star? Is that a reference to the Pony POV Series, where he's basically the pony version of The Devil?

3537125 Yes, it is. This series contains lots of reffs to the Pony POV Series. But the characters have to be adapted a lot as alicorns work differently in this series.

Also, I should mention that Pyra is a reff to Conviction.

“That might be more intimidating,” replied Shining.

best line in the chapter.:rainbowlaugh::rainbowlaugh:

Overall, this is a really REALLY great start, can already tell the pacing has slowed down, it's, it's amazing. Could still use some more descriptions, especially for the Four, they aren't normal ponies, make use of this, use more descriptions that make this clear, play off their unique natures.

The middle bit feels kind of out of place, especially with it being a time skip, though I know it'll tie in later, just.. kind of odd framing it that way, though the scene really REALLY works. You nailed the characters, and that entire talk was perfect. Can't wait to see more of those types of scenes. The rest. Again, good, and a huge improvement in pacing, just use a bit more description sometimes.

Celestia looked at her niece quizzically. “Has Eros never discussed any of this with you?”
Cadance blushed. “Uncle Eros mostly just gives me flirting tips.”

Uncle Eros, new best deceased alicorn.

“All right. I hope that you’ll let me inform Twilight. She should be done watching the dragon migration by now.”

Ooooooo, nice explanation as to why Twilight wasn't notified about the Wedding. I assume that would be the letter that took a lava bath?

Interesting set of ponies that just escaped from the moon. Nothing about them (well, until the vampire action at least) made me think they are bad simply because they are evil or something. There's clearly more to their story and I can't wait to find out what.

3538149 While the blood sucking might be rather evil, keep in mind he didn't kill her, just drunk enough to survive so, even that is rather iffy. But yeah definitely some fairly complex characters already. If they did turn out to be antagonists, I'd peg them as more misguided then evil. ones who truly feel they are doing the right thing.

3538149 That's the letter that took a lava bath, yes.

Glad you like Eros. Hopefully you continue to do so.

Ooh, this is looking off too a good start.

There was one who loved only himself. And stole the love of others. But we should not talk about him.

Well, that doesn't sound like it will be important later...

Well. That's probably not a good thing. :twilightoops:

Gosh this new guy must really love himself.

So, doing the prereading kind of makes rereading.. again... with pointing out little things redundant BUT, I realized that while I did give you my ideas on the little things, never really gave an overall view of the thing.,. Just the details. So then...

First scene. A nice little bit showing just how these four think. I love it. It's something NOT needed for the plot, something that could be yanked out and not missed, and yet, it adds much by being there. Helps us to get a feel for them. how they see things, as well as details about how they each think differently. Right being all for slaying monsters and confronting it. Solemn the more level headed, practical one. plus, seeing them freak out to a train of all things, it manages to be funny, without being comedic. Really sets a good tone for the story overall. The story is a lot darker then the last few, but it's not really 'dark' it's still pony, and still has the lighthearted underpinning.

The nest bit, it's nice seeing the story make use of their unique nature. Though granted most of what Star does is more about him being, well Star Swirl, then a vampire, other then the drinking and mind control. Really, other then still being alive now, he seems to have gotten the short end of the stick. his only new power seems to be the mind control, and he has by far the most drawbacks of all of them. Needing to hide from sunlight, can't enter homes, needing to drink to keep up his strength. While the rest seems to have only gotten stronger. Though While Right is often used quite well as a ghost, and never really forget that. Solemn and First, are more iffy. Solemn, not to much, though the whole bandage and mummy thing only really comes up rarely. First however, them being special never really seems to matter. Really have little idea just what he really is or what his powers actually are. As you noted with my comments, I had even forgetting exactly what he was. It's not a major thing, the story is still starting but, something to keep in mind. (Oh and of the four, I'd have to say I'm enjoying Right the most)

The whole guard scene, is great. Really, the Royal Guard trully are the best forc.....:rainbowlaugh::rainbowlaugh::rainbowlaugh: yeah you lot are canon fodder, just accept it. Though nice touch with him resisting hard enough to make Star have to hurry. Might not be a crack soldier, but, they aren't weak either. They do have a strong will, desire, and are skilled at what they do. it's just most things are well out of their league. Their reaction to the bat pony was great, though the whole "You had turned him" thing, I get it's a noodle incident type thing, building that Star had been doing things, and hinting at backstory. it just, feels a tad off still. Not bad, just something I'd like to see explained better at some point. The interrogation. Not bad, nothing really stands out as great but, it's good.

The Statue garden. Really nice, slowly upping the stakes for them. Of course WE know that Discord being free isn't a bad thing.. so far, but it's completely logical for them to act this way, even without their issues with Celestia. As well as seeing their reactions, how they see it as perfectly logical they should have a statue, and from what they've said, it's clear they HAVE done something great in the past. It deepens the mystery of just what happened. both what they did in the past, and what happened to make them like they are now.

Plus, again nice making them unique from each other. Right being the more gun-ho, Leeroy Type, dashing in the deal with problems quickly. Solemn, the calmer, more rationale one. Getting them to make sure they know what they are doing before they do anything. Hmmm, way it's coming off to me. Star is the party wizard. highest intellect, most basic smarts, Solemn however has the higher Wisdom score. Is better at planning things out, keeping calm and rationale, looking at all sides of a problem and working out the best solution. Right of course is the physical one. Not dumb, but, impulsive, more likely to resort to hooves first, but not so stupid as to just be a mindless brawler. More, boisterous Bruiser. She just enjoys fighting, but is smart enough to know when that isn't the right option, and most importantly, smart enough to know Star and Solemn are smarter, or at least wiser, then her, and when to listen to them. First, is the hardest for me to really get a handle on. he's the most compassionate, he's The Medic, but outside that I really haven't gotten a good hold of his personality.

The AJ bit. nothing amazing but, it's nice. Again just, it's great you are adding more smaller scenes. ones which don't forward the plot directly, but simply add to the world. Follow up on older scenes, give a bit of closure, and set up things. It's likely the Mane 6 will get involved at some point, so it's nice to add some hints. Give more reasons for that. As well as see the results of what the four are doing from other ponies. So, nothing amazing, other then it existing, but nice few scenes.

And now, they are over the Godzilla Threshold. it's interesting trying to work out why they act the way they do. Treating Tia, like the rest of the ponies treat NMM. Not in a wall banging, What the hell? way. But in a really intriguing, this is a mystery I want to solve way. You can tell there is a lot of story behind them, and we get enough hints, enough touches, to know it's there, and that we will eventually learn it. So we're left eager for that, and trying to piece what we do know together and see how close we were. it's really a great job on getting the reader hooked on these characters.

Stlll rather confused, strictly going on in story facts, why they didn't tell First before this, Like I said, it's not a big deal, just a minor little issue for me. But yeah, all these plans to deal with Mortis... are they in for a shock. Plus, they escaped him once, more hints about their backstory. Nice

“I am the military mare,” said Right. “We need to strike hard, fast and disruptively, We shall be lucky if any of us makes it out unharmed. Let him not use his scythe under any circumstances. Here art what we shall do...”

On my previous thing about the four, and Right being the, 'least smart?' This, is a perfect example of what I was trying to get across with her not being dumb. She is great at this kind of thing, she lives... well unlives... for fighting, and proves it here. She's NOT dumb, and is great at tactics, combat, thinking on her hooves, coming up with battle plans. Yeah she's far form just dumb muscle. it's just, she knows that outside of combat related things, Star and Solemn are smarter, or better able to deal with them, then her, and listens to their advice and input. Really good job making them come off as good friends. They really do come off that way. You can tell how close they are, how long they've know and counted on each other. Each freely seeing how the other are better then them, as well as what they bring to the group. Almost seamlessly filling in the gaps for each other, complimenting each others strengths, and bolstering the others weaknesses. Really good job.

And now, the moment everyone has been waiting for, MORE PLUTONIA BEING BUCKING AWESOME! This was a GREAt, if short, fight scene. Pluntonia, like I said, she's awesome, and she is never NOT awesome. really great job with her. You know people love her, keep her just as awesome, but don't over do it. She doesn't show up everywhere just because. it neve feels like your simply tryng to give us awesome plutonia, just that, some how, she simply can not be anything but.

And on the above about them being a team, perfect proof of that. They beat her, not by being stronger, or better. but by working together. It keeps her just as awesome and powerful, without making the four into being to powerful either. They don't overpower her, it's not some bullshit, cheap cop out. They beat her, simply by working together, being a team, having a plan, and working well with each other to execute it. She could have kicked their flanks one on one, or even together if they hadn't been so coordinated. AMAZING job keeping them all balanced.

And now we get the villain of the story. I'm guessing. So far, you villains have been pretty good, and fairly wide ranging. Conformity, who, I really don't like calling a villain. She was so sympathetic, so understandable, you couldn't hate her for doing what she did. Even if you knew she had to be stopped. You were left hoping she could be stopped, without being to fully defeated. Be shown how wrong she was, get a happy ending. She wasn't evil, just wrong, and you could understand and sympathize with her goals and her reasons why.

The next, we get a rather petty, and wholly despicable villain in the best sense. The kind you DO want to see get defeated, get trounced, and yet, show up again, just to have the fun of watching him get his flank kicked all over again. He really didn't get much development till right at the end, but, it wa alright since he's still out there, and, it was more a mysery then anything, we saw the results of his actaions form the start, so yeh, anther good one, though not nearly as good as Conformity.

And now, Morning Star. Evil, with a capitol E. Not the petty, mean spirited evil of Ziro. Not the sympathetic, understandableness of Conformity. But, just fro what we've seen he is full on, over the top Evil. Likely of the extra hammy and over the top type. really looking forward to more from him. He's shaping up[ to be the most entertaining to watch villain so far from you. Conformity, was great for making you conflicted, making you feel sorry for her and making it impossible to hate her, even while hopping she was stopped. Ziro, was just so petty and nasty, you wanted to watch, just to see him lose. Morning Star, he's looking like he's going to be a joy to watch no matter what he's doing. he's going to be Evil, wrong, you are not going to want him to win. But even when he's being Evil, he's going to do it with such over the top style, it'll be a great trip.

Oh and the whole resurection/poer stealing bit.

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SO AMAZING! That whole scene, might be the single greatest, overall scene you've written so far. From the fight, to the resurrection, it was great. only thing that might challenge it, is Plutonia's scene with Conformity.

And then ending, on, well I more then explained why tht worked so well there. Poor Cadance....... yet, this is such a great hook, I can't wait for the next chapter.. oh wait right, one of the perks of being a pre reader, i don't have to wait. :yay::twilightsmile:

ON WARD TO NITPICKING ABOUT THE AWESOMENESS!

So yeah really loving the story so far, and, just damn. Glad I could help make it even more awesome.

3676022 Wow!:pinkiegasp: That was really insightful! :rainbowkiss:

First scene. A nice little bit showing just how these four think. I love it. It's something NOT needed for the plot, something that could be yanked out and not missed, and yet, it adds much by being there. Helps us to get a feel for them. how they see things, as well as details about how they each think differently. Right being all for slaying monsters and confronting it. Solemn the more level headed, practical one. plus, seeing them freak out to a train of all things, it manages to be funny, without being comedic. Really sets a good tone for the story overall. The story is a lot darker then the last few, but it's not really 'dark' it's still pony, and still has the lighthearted underpinning.

Exactly what I was going for. Each fic I've written in this series has been darker than the last, so far (need to write some lighter stuff at some point. Luckily, I have plans for that). And yes, I wanted to show more of how they think, while being kind of funny, yet still serious.

The nest bit, it's nice seeing the story make use of their unique nature. Though granted most of what Star does is more about him being, well Star Swirl, then a vampire, other then the drinking and mind control. Really, other then still being alive now, he seems to have gotten the short end of the stick. his only new power seems to be the mind control, and he has by far the most drawbacks of all of them. Needing to hide from sunlight, can't enter homes, needing to drink to keep up his strength. While the rest seems to have only gotten stronger. Though While Right is often used quite well as a ghost, and never really forget that. Solemn and First, are more iffy. Solemn, not to much, though the whole bandage and mummy thing only really comes up rarely. First however, them being special never really seems to matter. Really have little idea just what he really is or what his powers actually are. As you noted with my comments, I had even forgetting exactly what he was. It's not a major thing, the story is still starting but, something to keep in mind. (Oh and of the four, I'd have to say I'm enjoying Right the most)

I'll try have the others' natures come up more often. Glad that you're enjoying Right so much. Poor Star does have the most weaknesses, but he does have some new powers and the others do have weaknesses. And they will become important later. Some have even turned up already. Being able to walk up sheer cliffs is due to his vampirism. So is his rapid regeneration. Solemn is slower than when she was alive and First has developed an obsession with building hospitals.

The whole guard scene, is great. Really, the Royal Guard trully are the best forc.....:rainbowlaugh::rainbowlaugh::rainbowlaugh: yeah you lot are canon fodder, just accept it. Though nice touch with him resisting hard enough to make Star have to hurry. Might not be a crack soldier, but, they aren't weak either. They do have a strong will, desire, and are skilled at what they do. it's just most things are well out of their league. Their reaction to the bat pony was great, though the whole "You had turned him" thing, I get it's a noodle incident type thing, building that Star had been doing things, and hinting at backstory. it just, feels a tad off still. Not bad, just something I'd like to see explained better at some point. The interrogation. Not bad, nothing really stands out as great but, it's good.

Technically,. while Star can turn, he hasn't. And yes, I wanted to show that Star's powers aren't without limits and that the guards aren't completely useless, just typically switching between out of their league and idle.

The Statue garden. Really nice, slowly upping the stakes for them. Of course WE know that Discord being free isn't a bad thing.. so far, but it's completely logical for them to act this way, even without their issues with Celestia. As well as seeing their reactions, how they see it as perfectly logical they should have a statue, and from what they've said, it's clear they HAVE done something great in the past. It deepens the mystery of just what happened. both what they did in the past, and what happened to make them like they are now.

Yeah. Like Conformity, I wanted their reactions to be understandable, if wrong. And to show that they see Discord in a similar light to the way Celestia did in Return of Harmony. We have never seen Celestia express such intense antagonism towards someone before.

Plus, again nice making them unique from each other. Right being the more gun-ho, Leeroy Type, dashing in the deal with problems quickly. Solemn, the calmer, more rationale one. Getting them to make sure they know what they are doing before they do anything. Hmmm, way it's coming off to me. Star is the party wizard. highest intellect, most basic smarts, Solemn however has the higher Wisdom score. Is better at planning things out, keeping calm and rationale, looking at all sides of a problem and working out the best solution. Right of course is the physical one. Not dumb, but, impulsive, more likely to resort to hooves first, but not so stupid as to just be a mindless brawler. More, boisterous Bruiser. She just enjoys fighting, but is smart enough to know when that isn't the right option, and most importantly, smart enough to know Star and Solemn are smarter, or at least wiser, then her, and when to listen to them. First, is the hardest for me to really get a handle on. he's the most compassionate, he's The Medic, but outside that I really haven't gotten a good hold of his personality.

This is pretty much spot-on. I hope that First's ponyality will become more clear soon, though.

The AJ bit. nothing amazing but, it's nice. Again just, it's great you are adding more smaller scenes. ones which don't forward the plot directly, but simply add to the world. Follow up on older scenes, give a bit of closure, and set up things. It's likely the Mane 6 will get involved at some point, so it's nice to add some hints. Give more reasons for that. As well as see the results of what the four are doing from other ponies. So, nothing amazing, other then it existing, but nice few scenes.

Well, there's a reason that I tagged them.:derpytongue2: Though, they do take longer than I originally planned to really get involved. Still, glad to use AJ here.

And now, they are over the Godzilla Threshold. it's interesting trying to work out why they act the way they do. Treating Tia, like the rest of the ponies treat NMM. Not in a wall banging, What the hell? way. But in a really intriguing, this is a mystery I want to solve way. You can tell there is a lot of story behind them, and we get enough hints, enough touches, to know it's there, and that we will eventually learn it. So we're left eager for that, and trying to piece what we do know together and see how close we were. it's really a great job on getting the reader hooked on these characters.

I'm glad. They have their reasons for acting and thinking this way. It will be revealed.

On my previous thing about the four, and Right being the, 'least smart?' This, is a perfect example of what I was trying to get across with her not being dumb. She is great at this kind of thing, she lives... well unlives... for fighting, and proves it here. She's NOT dumb, and is great at tactics, combat, thinking on her hooves, coming up with battle plans. Yeah she's far form just dumb muscle. it's just, she knows that outside of combat related things, Star and Solemn are smarter, or better able to deal with them, then her, and listens to their advice and input. Really good job making them come off as good friends. They really do come off that way. You can tell how close they are, how long they've know and counted on each other. Each freely seeing how the other are better then them, as well as what they bring to the group. Almost seamlessly filling in the gaps for each other, complimenting each others strengths, and bolstering the others weaknesses. Really good job.

Yeah, I really wanted it to be clear that these are friends. Good friends. Who are used to facing adversity together. And for it to be easy to see why they became important in their own time. That there is a reason that Right became Commander, one of the three highest ranks in Equestria (the other two being Prince(ss) and Chancellor), and that her name is Right Hoof.

And now, the moment everyone has been waiting for, MORE PLUTONIA BEING BUCKING AWESOME! This was a GREAt, if short, fight scene. Pluntonia, like I said, she's awesome, and she is never NOT awesome. really great job with her. You know people love her, keep her just as awesome, but don't over do it. She doesn't show up everywhere just because. it neve feels like your simply tryng to give us awesome plutonia, just that, some how, she simply can not be anything but.

Got to take advantage of her popularity where I can, but to put her in just because people like her would be a mistake. I wanted it clear that the wrath of an angry alicorn is a scary thing, but to show that they were competent and prepared for an even more dangerous foe. I considered having Plutonia do a bit better, but decided that the way it was fit better.

And on the above about them being a team, perfect proof of that. They beat her, not by being stronger, or better. but by working together. It keeps her just as awesome and powerful, without making the four into being to powerful either. They don't overpower her, it's not some bullshit, cheap cop out. They beat her, simply by working together, being a team, having a plan, and working well with each other to execute it. She could have kicked their flanks one on one, or even together if they hadn't been so coordinated. AMAZING job keeping them all balanced.

Thank you. I'm glad I was able to achieve that. They are powerful and competent with unusual abilities, but none of them is ready to take on a full alicorn one-on-one. not even a foal.

And now we get the villain of the story. I'm guessing. So far, you villains have been pretty good, and fairly wide ranging. Conformity, who, I really don't like calling a villain. She was so sympathetic, so understandable, you couldn't hate her for doing what she did. Even if you knew she had to be stopped. You were left hoping she could be stopped, without being to fully defeated. Be shown how wrong she was, get a happy ending. She wasn't evil, just wrong, and you could understand and sympathize with her goals and her reasons why.
The next, we get a rather petty, and wholly despicable villain in the best sense. The kind you DO want to see get defeated, get trounced, and yet, show up again, just to have the fun of watching him get his flank kicked all over again. He really didn't get much development till right at the end, but, it wa alright since he's still out there, and, it was more a mysery then anything, we saw the results of his actaions form the start, so yeh, anther good one, though not nearly as good as Conformity.
And now, Morning Star. Evil, with a capitol E. Not the petty, mean spirited evil of Ziro. Not the sympathetic, understandableness of Conformity. But, just fro what we've seen he is full on, over the top Evil. Likely of the extra hammy and over the top type. really looking forward to more from him. He's shaping up[ to be the most entertaining to watch villain so far from you. Conformity, was great for making you conflicted, making you feel sorry for her and making it impossible to hate her, even while hopping she was stopped. Ziro, was just so petty and nasty, you wanted to watch, just to see him lose. Morning Star, he's looking like he's going to be a joy to watch no matter what he's doing. he's going to be Evil, wrong, you are not going to want him to win. But even when he's being Evil, he's going to do it with such over the top style, it'll be a great trip.

Thank you. I like variety in my villains. And yes, with Morning Star, I wanted someone truly evil. With Cadance, we've seen how good an alicorn of Venus can be, and now we'll see how evil they can be. I wanted someone who could be the pony Satan. The Alicorn of Hedonism, Temptation and Self-Worship. I wanted him to represent abusive relationships and desire for that which is bad for you. Hammy? Sometimes. And other times, just plain unsettling.

Oh and the whole resurection/poer stealing bit.
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SO AMAZING! That whole scene, might be the single greatest, overall scene you've written so far. From the fight, to the resurrection, it was great. only thing that might challenge it, is Plutonia's scene with Conformity

Thank you! Glad it came out so well.

And then ending, on, well I more then explained why tht worked so well there. Poor Cadance....... yet, this is such a great hook, I can't wait for the next chapter.. oh wait right, one of the perks of being a pre reader, i don't have to wait. :yay::twilightsmile:
ON WARD TO NITPICKING ABOUT THE AWESOMENESS!
So yeah really loving the story so far, and, just damn. Glad I could help make it even more awesome.

I look forward to it.

Being able to walk up sheer cliffs is due to his vampirism. So is his rapid regeneration. Solemn is slower than when she was alive and First has developed an obsession with building hospitals.

Forgot the regen, right. And I just thought the wall walking was simply him using regular unicorn magic. As to First, I've noticed the obsession, just nothing that tied it into his current form rather then simply being a personal quirk.

3677882 Yeah. Those are all symptoms of the type of undead they are. As Pluto's the undead expert (it's her job, after all), she'll explain.

I'm somewhat unimpressed with these four dudes. They claim to be Luna’s loyal subjects and were straight up told she was one of the ruling princesses, and they didn't even bother to confirm it one way or the other before acting to upset the status quo that apparently includes her?

3686860 Let's just say that they have their reasons for thinking this way.

EDIT: To put it bluntly, they are literally incapable of believing that Luna and Celestia would willingly work together. (Yes, this is a physical impossibility)

3686860 Secondly, from what they've said. It seems they regard Nightmare Moon as being the 'true' Luna. Just substitute NMM for Luna whenever they mention the Night princess, and things make a lot more sense.

3693918 This is a pretty good assesment of the situation.

Oh, yeah. Forgot to mention this. Nadir is obviously a reff to The Immortal Game, but it's not a spellblade, because while spellblades are completely awesome, I don't believe that they fit with what we've seen so far. At least, not in the role they served in that fic. Besides, polearms work better than swords for ponies anyway.

Ooh, things are getting good!

Morning Star, a perfect being, a weapon named Grond, oh lordy these idiots just revived pony Lucifer/Morgoth didn't they. Making a deal with the devil never goes well.

And Discord just took an interesting turn.

Morning Star, a perfect being, a weapon named Grond, oh lordy these idiots just revived pony Lucifer/Morgoth didn't they. Making a deal with the devil never goes well.

There are those who don't do idiocy in half-measures.:trollestia: But I'm glad that the reffs are being recognised.

And Discord just took an interesting turn.

Thank you.

Nice set up with going right back to the origional prophesy, the stars will aid in her escape, and might never be beaten, or even canonfied, unless something extra special turns up. Then again, Time and Again set the limit of one shot only, for a few seconds, otherwise we would be looking at a full on Time War.

Next, recovery?

3991905 :derpyderp1: Maybe it's because I'm not fully awake, but I don't completely understand your comment. You seem to be talking about time travel ... of which there isn't any in this fic.:rainbowhuh:

3991969

Ah.. I apologise, medictions been making me a bit fuzzyagain, and a mainly repeting sequence confused me as to which time it occured in. Sorry about that. :twilightoops:

3992250 It's okay. It happens. Get well soon.

Well, I approve of Discord's approach in fighting without letting his opponent have a chance to physically fight back. Too bad Morning didn't require physical attacks to get in his head.

Huh, so this new (old) Star Swirl isn't the original either. I'm a little surprised, I was expecting him to be the First for some reason.

Princess Felt and Prince Cracken? Works for me.

3998123 Glad you approve. I wanted to give them names that still sounded pony. Also, Star Swirl the Bearded lived too long ago fo it to have been him, but I understand why you would have thought that.

Woah, Star Swirls and Element Bearers everywhere. That certainly explains my question a few chapters back about the Four and their loyalty to Nightmare Moon instead of Luna.

Celestia rushed over and nuzzled her parents. “I thought I’d lost my whole family at once!”
No. You haven’t,” rasped Felt, before wrapping a wing around Celestia. “We’ll still be here for a bit longer.

Huh, well that just makes me wonder where Felt and Cracken are now. Alicorn retirement village?

Ooo, Conviction, I thought I recognized the name Pyra. Now there's a fic I have mixed feelings about.

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Woah, Star Swirls and Element Bearers everywhere.

Well, we're currently on the third set of bearers and the 147th Star Swirl, so...

That certainly explains my question a few chapters back about the Four and their loyalty to Nightmare Moon instead of Luna.

:eeyup:

Huh, well that just makes me wonder where Felt and Cracken are now. Alicorn retirement village?

Oh, uh, no. They died a few hundred years later, while Luna was on the Moon. They were aged several millenia.

Ooo, Conviction, I thought I recognized the name Pyra. Now there's a fic I have mixed feelings about.

Oh? In what way?

4001552 Mostly it's a bit of cognitive dissonance between myself and what seems like every other reader who comments on it. Every recent chapter has people cheering on the main character to hunt down and slaughter more of the Element Bearers, and they all seem to have forgotten that Nightmare Moon was the villain of the story, not Celestia. Slight is a kidnapped, brainwashed, abuse victim, and everyone just wants her to kill more of the ponies that by (my) definition are the heroes. And when I feel uncomfortable reading a story because of the commenters, I usually end up uncomfortable just reading it in general and frequently just stop reading it altogether.

I somewhat wonder if I'm just not a good reader for an anti-hero story. For example, inside the last couple of weeks I ran across someone describing it as a story where the good guys and bad guys change places every few chapters, and I just had to think: Huh? When did they ever change places? Hasn't it been cut and dried since word one?

4002026 Understood. Yeah, I agree that Slight is a villain protagonist, but one does feel sorry for her and we want to see what she does next, which I guess is why people are cheering her on.

4002026 Sometimes people can't separate Hero/Villain, from Protagonist/Antagonist. Thinking they always have to be the same.

One of the nastiest magics, make the person fill in the image of what you want them to see so you dont have to bother.

Course, personally, Id ust use a variation on transmutation, teleportation magic, and swap out the targets current brain, with a correctly trained and programmed alternative. Because its a physiochmical effect, grown naturally, theres no magical residue or means of revocation, unless you use the standard temporal scan and duplicate used in Riverworld.

Muttering in the ranks, intresting, now they will start to work out what radius the passive effect is, and how to setup by thoughts etc?

You know, Im wondering, if due to last time, that Discord would be in two minds about serving this guy?

After all, he would have to be totally crazy to hate Fluttershy after all shes done for him.:pinkiecrazy:

“So, how do we beat them?” Rainbow asked. She hovered closer and swung her hooves wildly.

Gotta love Dash’s always-present enthusiasm.

Nice to see that the Stars have so quickly realized that waking up Morning Star was a Bad Idea.

I'm noticing that you seem to have a fondness for very loud characters, if all the bold is any indication.

Now, the ponies she raised have escaped from the stars and want vengeance. So they break out and raise another of Celestia's relatives. One who was hated by his relatives far beyond what Nightmare Moon ever was. Morning Star.

You, uh, wouldn't happen to know anything about the Pony POV Series, would you?

4130613 Well, that's because of Royal Canterlot Voice


4237648 Yes. This is far from the only reff to it in this series. But POV alicorns are extensively adapted from the source material due to the differences in etaphysics.

Is the pony in the picture Morning Star?

4239606 :rainbowlaugh: No. I can understand why you would think that, but no. That isn't Morning Star. That is actually an alicorn that isn't based on POV. She's probably the most popular character in the series. Her name is Plutonia. She doesn't actually look like that though. It's just an illusion that she uses. She's appeared in her real form in the show here. She is te alicorn of death, but is not actually an antagonist.

EDIT: Morning Star looks sort of like an alicorn version of Blueblood.

If Starswirl, First, Right, and Solemn were voiced, what would they sound like?

4249866 Wow! Hard question. Um ...

Right would be kind of like Ripley from Alien, but a bit gruffer.

Solemn would sound kind of dreary and tired.

Star Swirl like ... Belle's father from Beauty and the Beast.

First would be like Martin Luther from the movie Luther.

Roughly. Does that help?

4262451 Yes. Also, Martin Luther as in Martin Luther King Jr.? That's gonna be weird hearing a good guy's voice coming from a bad guy's mouth.

4262751 No. Martin Luther who Martin Luther King Jr. is actually named after. Founder of the Lutheran church (and Protestantism in general). Though, I'm naturally talking about the way he was portrayed in the movie Luther rather than the actual guy seeing as though he died so long ago. Also a good guy, but still.

So what's YOUR havoc like? Will we ever see more of him? What did he look like? How is he different from the Havoc from the Pony POV Series?

If that alicorn filly and Morning Star were voiced, what would they sound like? (I want to know because I narrate the voices inside my head BTW)

Now that's a good question. Why don't Starswirl, First, Solemn and Right have statues?

I know he's supposed to be evil and all, and yeah, he seem like a real jerk, but... I REALLY like Morning Star. He may very well be my favorite character in the truthseekerverse.

If Star Swirl the Truthseeker was voiced, what would she sound like?

Tartarus huh? What does HE look like?

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