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FALSE! No he wasn't. The common myth that one of America's greatest heroes was either a Nazi or Nazi sympathizer is a long one and it isn't true. Many people, such as that bs author Max Wallace like to point out is that Lindbergh gave several tours in Germany and praised the German luftwaffe, but, what gets left out is that this occurred in the 1930's when the Nazi regime wasn't actually going after the Jews yet. Hitler was still busy trying to establish his party as a legitimate government.

Also, yeah, Charles Lindbergh did give a few quotes which on paper sound racist and anti-Semitic but here's the thing, those opinions were extremely common back in those days not just in America but also Canada, Russia, and Europe. The average American in the 1940s didn't have many positive opinions on jews and people of different races.

So please, for the sake of the history of humanity, can we please stop trying to slander well respected human beings and actually criticize the assholes who are in this world?

Comment posted by Ebony Gryphon deleted Mar 10th, 2014

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And then there's Henry Ford:ajsleepy:

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Wait, so people thought that the pilot that flew across the Atlantic Ocean that also praised the Luftwaffe(German air force) was racist?

Proves that there are stupid people calling out stupid shit all over history...

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common myth that one of America's greatest heroes

please stop trying to slander well respected human beings

So you want us to pretend that they were perfect who can do no wrong?
Sorry but no.
If someone isn't perfect they aren't perfect, it by no means renders what he did meaningless, it doesn't, but I will not say only the good things a person has done I will say the good and the bad about a person.
If the simple fact that someone was racist is able to make you freak out and scream "stahp telling me about the bad things about this person!" then you need to stop putting people on a pedestal.

And before someone says shit to me about it.
I never believed this rumor in the first place so keep your pants on.

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There's also the Bellamy Salute issue, which was used to discredit him when he spoke against the US joining WW2. The Bellamy Salute is pretty similar to the Nazi salute, but it was relatively common in those days. Propaganda people cropped images to make it look like he was "SIEG HEIL"-ing and shit, discrediting him as a Nazi sympathizer.

3049463 He was a good businessman. Didn't care who he sold to.

He extremely Anti-Semetic. He has several quotes in which the gist of it is comprised of him slandering and essentially saying "Fuck Jews, they are evil and deserved to be killed off." This type of opinion was NOT common in North America and the "world" as you say, but rather, Charles Lindbergh took a very radical stand point upon this issue. This is no excuse for him, seeing as how he still stood by his opinion even after the whole Auschwitz ordeal.

He's not a bad person per say, he was just too bullheaded to sympathize.

3051534 Uh... we have no evidence which supports he said that. Also, he did visit several concentration camps after the war and according to his personal biography he was disgusted and angered.

I'll be honest, I don't even know who Charles Lindbergh is, I'm not American and I've never been taught about him or anything, but when was this stuff he supposedly did going on, because let me tell you that in the 30s the Nazis were doing a shit load of stuff to the Jews, I'm currently studying that period of history.

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But Metaaaa, Americans are always perfect, didn't you know? :scootangel:

We don't do anything wrong! It's always those filthy foreigners that have weird and outlandish problems. :trixieshiftleft:

3051701 We do: he literally typed up one of his speeches, and if you were to look at that nowadays, it would be evident of his rampaging hate-boner for jews. In fact, my class is learning about the period before and during WW2 and we had a rather longer than normal segment about Charles Lindbergh in which we read a speech of his and had to form an opinion based upon several other anti-semetic time period pieces. His was one of the most hateful speeches out of the seven we were given to form our opinions on.

As for the concentration camps I was only acting upon information I was previously given. I did not know that he was disgusted. Any sauce on that?

3052351 World famous pilot who flew around the world I believe.

3053586 I can't find any evidence and personally, school should be the absolute last place to get your information from. I've actually had teachers tell their students that Kennedy made a mistake and said "I am a jelly doughnut" instead of "I am a Berliner" even though that is not true and whoever believes it needs to study German language.

As for my source, this came from Charles Lindbergh's own autobiography and an essay on Lindbergh by Pulitzer prize winning biographer A. Scott Berg who can confirm most of what I just said. For one thing, Lindbergh's medal by the Luftwaffe and his visits to Germany were not controversial until WW2 and his so called Nazi sympathizing only came from his involvement with the American First Committee which was very anti-war.

As for some of his racist speeches. Yeah, he did hold some racist views but as I said, most of them were taken out of context and they were very common in 1930's America.

It's very easy to look back at people like Lindbergh and say "Oh how could he say that!" but that's because you weren't there. They had different standards back then and we cannot compare them to our modern day ones.

3053970 Eh, I still think that Charles Lindbergh went above and beyond what was expected of the 1930's period racism and isolationism. However, it all has to be put into perspective, and like you said, much of what he said was most likely taken out of context, as well as perhaps being rather light as compared to other people of the era, the most famous being Adolph Hitler himself.

Quick question before I go, wasn't the America First Committee not only Anti-War but severe isolationists, racists and anti-Semitic people alike?

3054465 Nope. The American First Committee was strictly an isolationist group. Yeah there were a few radical racists in the group but it was a very popular group which had over 800,000 members at its height.

Other famous members of America First were future president Gerald Ford, Walt Disney (who contrary to popular belief was not an anti-Semite), Sargent Shriver (the founder of the Peace Corp), famous playwright Sinclair Lewis, and many others including several socialist and communist parties (although they mostly left after Germany attacked the Soviet Union).

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Nice bait

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