Mykan Scoffs at Apology and Improvement (Both ways) · 5:40am Feb 16th, 2018
You have to improve yourself. Apologize for everything bad you've done. get over all the shippings that never happened and improve your attitude AND THEN people will stop making fun of you, and the characters will be seen better
Let me just... clarify a few things here.
1: I don't really believe in apology.
No, the things that have been done and what's it left behind... you think a simple apology will make things better? It won't.
Besides... I prefer to be like this...
You steal a comic book from my store, but your conscience gets to you, and you decide to return it. However, I catch you TRYING to return it, and regardless of your good intentions, I still make phone calls to your folks and maybe the police to discuss proper actions.
"I know you meant well by returning the comic, but... taking it in the first-place... well... that's where you went wrong; very wrong.
2: People don't actually WANT an apology. I've proven it many times, even when I gave apologies long long ago, that changed nothing. The damage has been done both ways by ME and by mockers.
3: People have told me themselves, they plan to keep up the mocks even if I changed, or even leave. they don't actually want to apologize or comply to their ways... so... an apology from either side is useless.
Here's another example of how apology doesn't work...
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The CMC were sorry, but sorry doesn't cut it... and they got punished for it.
You see, these days we live in a world where too much damage has been done, and scars are too deep to heal. I'll quote from an example from TODAY'S SPECIAL: Phil's visit
*Phil is an alcoholic, and he drank too much after Sam specifically warned him not to drink in the store. He drank so much that he was acting rude and mean to Muffy whom he asked to help him with the photo-shoot, and he really hurt her feelings by yelling at her and calling her treouble and he didn't want to see her again!
Sam was very angry with Phil and confronted him about his drinking, and Phil finally realized the truth...*
Phil: "Oh I guess I owe her an apology. where is the little sweetheart? I better set things right."
Sam: "An apology won't set things right, Phil... You've gotta stop drinking! Besides... I'm not sure if Muffy ever cares to see you again. And, frankly, neither do I! Now I want you to pack your things, and get out of the store...
...Now."
And that's a near-example of exactly what goes on. Saying you're sorry will not change a thing, nor will trying to correct your mistakes. The Damage has been done... the wounds are too deep... its a bust.
As for improvement... here's the thing.
If I don't like it... then I don't consider it an improvement, but rather a disgrace.
-I get a job: That's NOT improvment
-I donate to charity: That's NOT improvment
-I just stand there and let people brutalize me and not do a thing about it: Definitely NOT an improvement.
That's my view of it...
Now, as for Characters and plot... I don't care too much fro the kind of improvements you're thinking of.
Friendship is Failure... The end of ends... Digimon fics where Davis goes evil or is betrayed... even the Darkness of Dimensions...
Those fics, they're not here to help characters grow and improve their lives and help them get along better. These fics are to BASH and PUNISH the characters for making me sick for what they did... how they handled things... or they way they act!!
-BB dares to let go of Terra and move on with his life and continue to be a comic relief, smile, laugh and be abused by the Titans:
Kill him!
And yeah it sucks for Beast Boy but I got news for him and you. THERE'S MORE THAN JUST ONE WOMAN OUT THERE!! He can easily move on and find another girl!!
*BB sees another girl and wants to go up to her*
Mykan *Watching from his computer: "Oh, no you don't...!" *Types into my computer and makes the girls scorn him and smack him; she's not interested"
I'm a BBxTerra shipper, the rules of the fandom are crystal-clear: He's only allowed to be with Terra... no one else.
*BB looks at Raven... thinking about asking her out*
*My voice calls out to him* "Don't even think about it... or it's Light's out! Got it?"
*BB complies*
Sorry, but I can't help it, I love doing this to punish the boys...
*Davis plans to ask Kari out and finally be with her*
Mykan: "If you succeed in making Kari yours, then..."
Davis: "Then... you'll keep your promise? You'll help me and my friends protect the world?"
Mykan: "Perhaps... IF you succeed. But fail ME, Davis... and I will show you what POWER... REALLY IS!!!!"
*Vanishes*
Anyway, I think I've made my point there, besides, I prefer the characteristics I GIVE THEM to the disgraces they once were that made me sick in ways, and besides... "THINGS CHANGE" remember. They can change as they grow, sometimes NOT for the better.
Besides, I don't care if they have friends, and I don't care if they have reason to live... they lost the girl, they're gonna suffer!
And as for the other friends... Like I said, this isn't a fic to help them learn from their mistakes or improve their attitude. They're here to be punished.
EXAMPLE:
Friendship is Failure #3: Beast boy in Equestria.
the Titans and Terra wonder why BB is so angry and why he would leave...
That's when several spirits come down to give them answers and make them realize the errors of their ways, but these spirits are not here to help them better themselves, but rather to chastise them for their behavior.
Raven never could believe how much she would miss Beast Boy and want him to come home as well. Of course she confessed her feelings to him, but then again he turned her down which still burned her, but all she could ask was the same thing all the others asked at the same time… “…What did we ever do to lose him like this?”
They were so deeply entranced in their thoughts, that they began to have visions, of the computer monitors talking… all three of them.
“The real question would be: What have you ever done to keep him?”
The Titans all gawked in shock “Are you… talking to us?” asked Robin.
“Well, I’m certainly not singing to you.” replied the computer.
Then the other two computers spoke to the Titans as well.
“Good friendship is maintained by sympathy, understanding and caring, but one person cannot do it all by themselves. They cannot be the only friend.”
“Tell us, Titans… What great things have you done to inspire Beast Boy to overcome his difficulties?”
One-by-one the titans each gave their answers.
“We just told him he has to learn to accept things and move on.” said Robin. “And that there will always be a brighter side of things and hope to follow.” added Star.
“We all gotta grow up and let go sometimes.” said Cyborg, “Besides, change can be a good thing, and it’s something we can all be thankful for.” added Raven.
A brief silence followed. While the computers could not show facial features, they were very livid. The first computer sneered “We’ve appeared in over one-million visions and that has got to be the lamest replies we’ve ever heard.”
The Titans and Terra just wanted ANSWERS to why BB left... and they GOT THEM. The computers will not help them clean up a mess that THEY MADE... that's their problem.
and then again, even if the Titans try to use this to learn from their mistakes and want to make it up to BB...
...I'm not going to give them the chance! (I make BB die, or simply refuse any reconciliation to break their spirits)
I don't care if the Titans or Terra are sorry for the way they acted...
I don't care if they want to make it up to him...
...They still have to pay for what they did, (So does Beast Boy)
"There's always hope! There's always a possibility... if you JUST TRY
Mykan: "I don't care Mr/Ms (Insert name)
Even after EVERYTHING....I still feel sorry for you. I want to help you. I want you to change and see life for the better and broaden your horizons
Mykan: "Mr/Ms (Insert name) What part of "I don't care" do you not understand?"
I gave you all chances long ago... I gave you rope, and you hung yourselves with it.
So don't preach to me advice and tips that you yourselves don't wish to follow!
Well, thing is, saying sorry isn't the same thing as making a proper apology.
It's like saying mixing flour and water is enough to make bread. No, you need more ingredients and steps before you make that bread.
An honest apology attempts to convey multiple things:
In your example with Phil, he only did the first two. He cannot undo the hurt he caused, but he can stop drinking to prevent that from happening again, and if his apology is honest, that's what he will do.
Beyond that, no, an apology cannot be forced and there are people who will refuse it. It's life. If the pain caused is too great, sometimes there is nothing you can do to make up for it. I'd still recommend apologizing to the best of one's ability because, well, if one makes a mistake, it is the right course of action to seek to right their wrong, even if just partially, and then learn not to make such a mistake again.
In your comic book example, I don't see it ending well for you. In there, the kid did all three steps, his third step being to return the comic book. If his parents are anything like mine and the police anything like the one in US or some Western European country, well:
So in the end, the kid will get no issue from you calling his folk or the police, but you will get a negative reputation from kid, his parents and the policeman, which may spread to the neighbors and cost your business.
So the one who will lose from it would be the owner, not the kid.
As for Beast Boy... I don't know him, I never watched Teen Titans, so I have no idea what you're saying there. Might be correct, might not be, I can't tell until I do check the show, which may be never.
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Now for the REAL WORLD...
This definitely warrants being grounded for two months!
-No social engaments
-No Extra Curricular Activities
-TV, Phone, Computer Privileges
Ah-huh...
*Snaps fingers for my guards*
"Throw him out."
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As I said, I know my parents wouldn't do that. I know if I had a child and this happened, I would look at the comic book owner in the eye and call him a pitiful excuse of a person and would tell my kid, loudly enough that he can hear, that I would go to actual comic book store run by a competent owner and buy him whatever he wants.
Again, I happen to have met and spoken to enough parents in my life and they reactions would be in a similar vein. Some would be more aggressive and insult the owner, others would be less confrontational but none would punish the child.
If you know parents that would do, I'd argue they don't know much about parenting and I feel sorry for their children.
I thought we were talking about real life, not fantasy here. Neither of us has guards and neither of us is powerful that the other couldn't sue him for undue use of force should the imaginary guards choose to literally throw the other out.
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1: You just let the kid off the hook for STEALING too easly
2: The Store owner didn't yell.
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For smoking, and even though she knows how bad it is and doesn't wish to do it again... your little mercy just went right out there door!
and here's another one... where MY IDEAL comes from (Taking in the first place)
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There goes the last of your ideal of mercy...
Like Sharon's dad said "It [The punishment] will show you how serious we are about NOT wanting you to do it." (As well as how ashamed we are)
to me only CERTAIN situations will get you off the hook... (I don't have the vid that can show you)
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They're cartoons. I'm speaking about reality.
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and both these cartoons REFLECT reality...
Parent's disciplining their children, and getting into trouble for stealing/smoking, or being bad...
Seriously, DOES ANYONE CHECK THEIR BLIND SPOTS ANYMORE!!!
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I disagree. I remember the kids that smoked at my school. They were the ones who would get punished should they be found out. I never had that fear. If I wanted to try drinking or smoking, my parents had already let me know they would allow and even buy those for me.
I don't smoke and I don't drink either. Neither does my brother. Unlike those punishment-fearing kids.
So no, those cartoons do not represent reality. At least not the reality I live in.
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And since you live in denial, claiming it's not real... you are hereby banished.
And take your blind spots with you, and whatever you do... DO NOT TRY to make world peace, because the way you don't think things through, you'll only cause more disaster than help.
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Personally, I think both sides of the argument are a bit extreme. I personally wouldn't let my child go without punishment. Perhaps being grounded for a week. (And because of how I was raised, a grounding would mean not allowed to leave the yard. there would probably be more details in what I'd do, but are minor in comparison.) After all, he did initially steal in the first place. But I would also be proud of my child for realizing they've done something wrong and wanted to fix it. But the reason I'd punish my child is because if you have enough of a conscience to feel sorry for stealing, you should have enough conscience to not steal in the first place. As for how I'd react to the shop owner, I'd make sure to give him a piece of my mind. You don't go and call the police on a minor just for stealing (and then returning) a comic. But I wouldn't just go shouting out of anger. I would make sure to be professional about it. That way, I'd either be more likely to help talk some sense into the shop owner, or I can come out of it with the moral high ground.
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Actually, that first video does NOT reflect real life. At least not well. Yes, if you're parents catch you smoking, you probably will get punished, depending on what your parents are like. But that video implies that you could get arrested for it. There is no law of "underaged smoking" (though there should be). At least not here in the USA. But even if underaged smoking was a criminal offense, it doesn't change the fact that smoking and theft are completely different things.
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How's this for Reality...
Being locked up in your room for ONE WHOLE MONTH, not allowed to get out except for school, bathroom and meals, because your father is upset with your mother, and he wants you out of the way and wants YOU to apologize and then smacks you across the face for not being a good enough apology
What do you think of that?
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Did that actually happen to you?!
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That's ONE OF MANY THINGS that happened... it still haunts me today (The voices in my head from the past) There were others... many of which worse than that!
Bottom-line...
In my reality (The way I grew and was raised) An apology gets you no where, and if you've done nothing wrong... you get punished, yelled at, or smacked anyway... just for the hell of it. (even having the courage to ADMIT what you did gets you SCREAMED at and threatened)
So I don't think those vids that I showed are NOT reflections of reality (I had way worse than Sharon and Buster did, and so did my sibs)
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I think the confusion was that we didn't understand what you meant by "reality". When I think of the word "reality", I think of the cumulative experiences of everyone. That's why I don't think it reflects reality. Your concept of the word refers to your personal experience. And in that sense, that video does relate to your experience. You probably don't care that I feel bad for what you went through, but I do feel bad that you had to go through that.
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At least your showing SOME civility... whereas everyone else wishes me to be thrown into the street...
Which was also something my father did to me and my sibs many times, packed bags for us and threatened to leave us on the streets just because we said we hated him for yelling at us and smacking us! (Each of us was less than 10 years old
As in the case of reality... my experience is just ONE FORM of reality... just as yours are...
There are MANY forms of reality, and what Sharon and Buster went through is ONE form of reality,
People who deny reality, and ignore dark possibilities... I consider them my mental inferiors (And they prove it with their attitudes and mockeries)