Hentai, Clopping and Furries! - Ethics of Porn (Philosophical thoughts) · 11:43pm May 2nd, 2014
A friend sent me a philosophical video discussing certain types of pornography and whether or not it is actually bad or not. In the video, the person talks about three of the more controversial types of porn such as, Lolicon and shotacon hentai and My little pony/ Furry porn in general but it can apply to pretty much all types and for most part, he covers the topic fairly well.
Now in my opinion, I have to say that when it comes to porn, there really isn't a "bad" type of pornography because all it is, is acts portraying a particular sexual fantasy of the individual that creates or watches it. The key word here being fantasy, an unrealistic desire that someone wants to experience in the mind. Also I want to point out that I know those are not accurate definitions of those two words, but they carry the same meaning.
So onto the three types discussed in the video. I'll start will lolicon and shotacon as well to keep it in order. As most of you know, lolicon or "lolita complex" is porn depicting of females that are usually animated to be under the age of consent and even children. same goes for shotacon ("Shota complex") only it's young males being involved in sexual acts. Now the video discussed whether it is morally wrong to watch this and if watching this type of erotica can either one, help sedate the desire to become more attracted to real children or make it worse and promote the person to try it have a sexual encounter with a real child.
Now, is it wrong to watch it? My answer to this question is, not really. Because lets take a look it the topic real quick here; Lolita, commonly shortened to loli, is a cute child (or child-like) character in anime or manga. Now then since these characters are animated and therefore not real, then consent is NOT an issue whatsoever because the character does not technically exist and therefore has no conscious thought or beliefs. Now a lot of people will argue that people who consume this type of erotica are more likely to lose morality and become more prone to become a child molester. And unfortunately, in SOME cases, they're right, but what people fail to understand is, that these cases that appear are from people who have either one, developed these tendencies even before they found porn,(Often through experimentation) Or people who have already been abused sexually and ended up following the pattern which is very common and not really the perpetrators fault, but the person who molested them to start with. But when it comes to humanity, it all falls onto the form of public morals and beliefs in which, what is morally acceptable is what the majority accepts as moral. This was brought on by various different sources and individuals of power and were the sort of stepping stones of worldly moral acceptance in this day in age.
Though I feel I should say that we have come quite a ways from say, one hundred and fifty years ago when black people where considered a little above animals and it was morally wrong to have relations with them. See a pattern here?
So in conclusion, when it comes to lolicon/shotacon in my own opinion, it isn't wrong to consume porn involving animated females and males that are depicted as under the age of consent as consent is not an issue nor is there any conscious reality to them.
Now, onto "clopping" and "furry porn". Now the reason these two are combined in the discussion is because in their base form, they are the same thing. A sentient being able to feel emotion and have the ability of rational and irrational thought. And yes, I know most furry porn revolves around anthropomorphic beings and my little pony revolves around more animalistic beings, I mean it's not like any of the ponies can stand upright, dance, use their hooves like hands etc. right? (Yes that was sarcasm) But joking aside, they can be put under the same category because the term furry is a very broad term and any animal given the ability to use rational and irrational thought as well as the ability to feel every emotion should by default fit under the same category. Hell, some people still think when someone refers to furries, they think of the people who just dress in costumes and go out in the woods and fuck like animals and never get that it just doesn't mean that. But anyway onto the topic.
Do I think that Porn depictions of sentient ponies from a show that is meant to be rated "for everyone" is wrong? Absolutely not. Now, for the sake of debating, I'm being as unbiased as possible and looking at the subject as a whole. When I first found out I was sexually attracted to talking ponies, I have to admit I felt a bit weird and confused. And this all stemmed from uneducated understanding of what morality really means and what true acceptance should be. That is because most people have a default moral system that is past to the next generation. However, it should be noted that that default moral list changes little by little every year. As an example, this is now why weed is being legalized and moonshine is actually becoming a marketed alcohol when at one point, they were both illegal. Basically what I'm saying is morality can change just like every else, it just takes time.
Now some people will argue that being sexually attracted to these characters will make you go off and rape real ponies or horses which of course, is not true at all because one, they don't really look all that similar and two, the original reason people feel in love with the show itself is because of the characters lovable personality. Yes, the personality of something has a very big impact on whether you will grow to like them or not. So guys who like shy, quiet girls would automatically become attracted to Fluttershy sexually or not. Same goes for the rest of them, you saw something you liked in their personality and therefore felt more attracted to them. Same principle if you really think about it. Now that said, I don't think beastiality is wrong, it's just that if you force an animal to have sex with you, you will lose trust with them as well as can having other consequences. So it applies to what I said about consent. (A lot of animals will actually give consent. Trust me, you'd be surprised.)
Furries are in a way similar to bronies, but many have their own opinions and differences that make them completely different as well. As a furry myself, I do find many anthropomorphic characters sexually attractive or aesthetically pleasing in some way. Now, for the most part, there isn't much of an obvious personality to most of them since most are creations of a large number of individuals through art. But the beauty behind that is you can kinda give them their own personality to what fits you most. It can also be portrayed through how the character is drawn.
I'll use two examples here: 
You can with a fair level of ease guess how they'd react to you with first impressions just by looking, and this can easily be carried over what what a person likes in other people. Now there are people who wouldn't find these two attractive, but would find another drawing pleasing to the senses. Being part animal doesn't change what the person finds likable in a character. A good example in video games would be Fran from Final Fantasy 12.(One of the few gaming series introducing sexy anthropomorphic creatures at the time) Take one look at her and tell me there isn't something you find attractive about her in some way. (I know some of you may not like her)
Anyway, all in all, when it comes to porn, especially porn like Hentai/animated or any type of porn that is created for the intended purpose to play out of fantasy in a non-harmful(I use harmful loosely because I know people that are into pain) and consensual way shouldn't be looked down on. Because there are always going to be people in all walks of life that will go to far, but the fandom or the person who just has an interest in it isn't to blame, it's the individual who went out and raped the child/animal without their consent to do so. That is my opinion on the matter.
What do you guys think about this? Am I right? Wrong? Mentally disturbed and should be shot on sight?
Here's the video that started this thought process.
If I put this much thought and concentration on my writing, I'd already be done with SP by now... Lol!
So TimberWolf, does this answer your question? Lol
*Looks at a pony vagina.* yeah that's pretty hot!
*Looks at a horse vagina* OH GOD NO, GET IT AWAY *hissss!*
Nice blog dude.
2071459 Lol! It;s also interesting how their genitals, at least for the females are drawn more human like, then horse like.
2071468 Thanks, that video really got me thinking. Wish I could do these more often. Lol
I honestly don't care. I may not be into lolicon, lolita or regular MLP porn. But I don't find it wrong. As long nobody is getting harm. Then masturbate away.
That felt weird just by typing that.
2071513 Lol Don't worry, being weird isn't a bad thing either.
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I really should watch the video, but after reading your blog... I..
Uhh... nothing! 
2071523 Lol I get'cha. But it is rather interesting and it talks about something a little better then I did. So you should watch it later on if you get the chance.
2071384 That it does!
I hope you enjoyed it, though judging by this blog, I'd imagine so.
I'd like to add to it that the claim that consuming pornography of any sort makes individuals more likely to pursue their own desires aggressively is, as far as I can tell, largely unfounded, as most studies on the topic seem to indicate that sexual repression plays a significant factor in one's likelihood to commit such crimes. To paraphrase one claim, "The guys jerking it to pornographic magazines are generally not the guys abducting women." I feel that efforts to ban many varieties of pornographic content are generally more detrimental than regulating them.
Furthermore, suggesting that clopping and furry pornography leads to bestiality misses part of the point of such content. The characters depicted in such works are generally given many human characteristics that separate them from the animal they were initially based on. As 2071459 has pointed out, and as a veterinary student who has browsed his own fair share of the fandom's more explicit content, we generally depict the characters of the show as having distinctly human characteristics, including genitals, which is a large part of why many become attracted. The actual creatures simply don't resemble those depicted in such content.
And to anyone reading this, I'd definitely recommend checking out more of the content produced by the individual who created the video above. It's really rather fascinating stuff.
2071497 I've seen some pony images where they had more horselike ones, still more appealing than a real one. By far.
Awesome blog.
Though I wouldn't say that Fran represents an anthropometric character. She is basically a human with rabbit ears. Freya from Final Fantasy IX would have been a better example.
2071566 I have the same thoughts on the matter. Suppressing sexual desires is much more harmful than letting people watch it in the long run. I subscribed to him. Lol
2071569 Oh same here, and I agree.
2071578 Very good.
2071588 Oh, damn. I almost forgot about her, she would've made a better example. Though Fran still represents what I was trying to get across just as well.
I'm having such a hard time forming a proper, intelligent response to this post, as well as the video. The admission and expression of my own sexuality was such a critical issue to me over the last year, and all this hits a fairly tender spot.
So fuck intelligence: Me like feel good in pants stick. Me no care what wet good hole belong to.
I do believe there are boundaries with this type of thing but so those boundaries have not been cross. Too many people just look at the surface and judge not knowing the full story and reasons as to why people do things. As long as it doesn't hurt anyone in the real world it shouldn't be that much of a problem. Also while I don't know all the bestiality law or keep up to date with them I remember that it is legal to make sweet sweet love to a horse in 23 states. Kind of funny if you think about it.
TL;DR: Clop/ fap to whatever you like as long as nobody gets hurt (w/o consent) irl.
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Yes, Sweetie Belle.
Yes we can!
2071907 Lol Me agree. Lol
2071910 Ah, Yeah, some states still have laws making it okay to have consensual sex with horses, dogs etc.
2072073 Yes, fap to anything and everything.
2072112 Personally, I can't wait for that glorious day when everyone realizes how trivial sex is. Then we'll all be able to do whatever as long as no one and nothing gets hurt.
2072324 When we're reincarnated in 100 years or so we'll live it up. Lol
I'd say you're right.
2071459 As it's typed, you don't exactly refer to ponies from the show with your comment.
2072374 Aren't you immortal? Last time I checked, I still am.
2072396 Woo!
2072403 Very true. Provided the sun doesn't explode.
I would kill to have an advance sentient race to show up and unify what we hope is morality and kill some more to meet a sentient race that was related toooo... cows.
Let's give humanity a reason to have a serious shit storm over their morality when we have to trade human lives to eat burgers or spaghetti.
On a side note, human/fetish like androids would be the only way that throwing morality out the window would be legally possible for all those pesky sex offenders and murderers.
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wasn't that a movie at one point? Gamer or something like that?
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Food chain. All you'd be doing is subjecting an actual sapient race to being eaten. I don't think that's too good.
Better for them to have not such high level thought. A simple life is a life well lived if you ask me. Hell, I sometimes wish I had the simple life of my cats, or some other animals.
Just eat, sleep, live. Don't have to go through all the bullshit humanity already throws at us.
...I find it difficult to condone the simulation of murder and rape in a real world context. This might just end up being a trigger, so they try it on a real person to see what the real thing is like. Like an appetizer before the main course.
2072557 Yes it was, but my idea involves programed dolls.
2072564 I'd never get married. Lol
2072431 I have got a question on something that isn't touched on with this though, if it's something not mentioned in the video either. How should an incest fantasy affect those who go into that?
2072559 Appetizer huh...
I would like to think that androids could be used to psychologically figure out how to deal with an individual based on their triggers, a warning system or trap if you will.
On a note of letting a person live out a fetish, SOMETIMES it helps to let a person do weird shit and warn him/her that most other humans don't want to deal with their silly turn ons.
Also, alien cow creatures would swat us with a newspaper and tells us that it's only fun to eat their relatives until they decide to use humans as a grass fertilizer.
I know we can't get rid of all our problems in this world but something has to be done, right?
2072574 I used to wonder about marriage as a kid but now I feel that it's a legal way of saying that your sealed your fate so prepare for stupid problems.
I blame my parents for making me paranoid about meeting a woman with hidden mental issues and the so called sanctity of man and wife.
2072601 You mean whether or not it affect the person into wanting to have relations with their siblings/parents or not?
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I dunno if instigating a world-wide morality strike is a good way to go about handling our problems. Baby steps, don't'cha know.
Also, as for fetishes, I think that kind of thing should really be reserved for drawings, stories, and animation. Let's not be bringing the real thing into the real world, despite it being simulated.
2072644 My ex girlfriend has made my desire to get married dwindle quite a lot. Lol
2072648 Fair enough.
I wonder if it would help keep people sane if anarchy was in effect...
2072645 Uh I guess that's part of it, but more where people find any appeal in it at all.
2072651 Trust, bad habits, or simply drifting apart?
2072659 well, to put it in a nut shell, after an out of nowhere break up, she is currently pregnant and getting married to my previously best friend.
2072665 Wait, you put up a post about this before, right?
I forget things or sometimes mix up peoples post...
2072656 Ah, I see. Well, that is a bit difficult to explain because their are a lot of reasons for it. For some, it's like a girl they've known for a long time and get along with and they usually don't have that "She's my sister" feeling from them, especially if the sister is good looking etc. Also, not very long ago, a lot of royal family's and nobles would practice incest to keep their royal bloodlines pure. So it's not like it has no reason. I have a thing for incest myself, not a personal interest, but I read manga and whatnot that involve incest.(always brother/sister)
2072673 Lol Yeah, I did.
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Losing faith in humanity is like crashing an expensive car, it's a pain in the ass to restore it.
2072689 Lol That is true.
I woke up past 3:40 AM and said "I'm gonna read it", naturally I skimmed it, 'cause my eyes are pussies when they just wake up at random times.
"They could've been writing STORIES while they came up with all of these! Wait, WHO SAID BRONIES ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE OPINIONS!? GET BACK IN YOUR MUD HOLE!!!"
In this particular case, though, I've never had the belief that an attraction to animated characters has directly (note that word, "directly") turned into a real-world attraction to whatever those animated characters TRANSLATE into... Heck, even something as simple as large-breasted women in anime or hentai don't translate well from one plane of reality to another, and even THOSE hold morally-questionable aspects considering they're not real people... but real, large breasts (specifically awkwardly-large) are rather off-putting and somewhat disgusting compared to them when animated.
But all-in-all, people will just relate Bronies to "Howard Stern-Bronies", which is basically the "horsefucker"-stereotype, in a nutshell.
And hell, I welcome the stereotype, just so others can then be shown what the truth behind the matter is... assuming they even want to bother with it.
2072679 Heh, if I'm being honest I've got a liking for some TwiShining stuff here and there.
2072721 What do you mean "skimmed though it"? I worked hard on this! Lol
But yeah, I have to agree with you.
Honestly, I couldn't really said any of this better myself. There's nothing wrong with pornography. And I will go out on a limb and say that a large margin of people who consume pornography aren't in any way going to pursue their more intimate desires aggressively, unless they have been exposed to a psychologically harming situation that has negatively altered their way of acting and thinking.
Furry porn? Shit, I used to be deep into it until about two years ago. Ever since FIM, It's all been about the ponez for me, man. As you should probably have interpreted the jest of that at some point. But then again, for as long as I can remember, I've always been the type to "experiment" and keep things interesting over the years. Because let's face it, if you think one means of pornography is unacceptable, then you obviously have never unfortunately stumbled upon the worst you can possibly find. Even though I'm referring to Dutch pornography, my point is that there is always something worse and much more appalling; this works vice-versa with there always being able to find something that you'll find appealing.
Now as far as morality is concerned, if you are capable of abstract thought, compassion, emotional and mental stability, and have a prior grasp on the societal definitions of right and wrong(which pretty much is morality in a nutshell), what difference does it make on what we define as a kink/fetish/interest/phase/spank material/whatever?
TL;DR?
If you are smart and understanding, you're pretty much clear to fap to whatever you find hot.
If you're an idiot who lack compassion and any common sense, I'd advise you to get your shit together. Thank you!
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Same reaction I give messages regarding my own story, AND THAT WAS 100k WORDS!
Also, in terms of the "morality-issue", when you see someone with large breasts, one thought that goes through your head (among several others
) is "Those must be really inconvenient in their daily life," or "Those will give them really bad back problems as they grow older." These issues aren't the case with animated women: Time more or less stops for them, and so do the muscle pains, trials of steering life through obstacles (and plenty of countertops), and back problems. No, it's just "I have massive breasts, that's all there is to it, take everything good from them and don't bother contemplating what sort of consequences these would have in my life, as I'm animated and thus, don't have one."
And we will collectively respond with "K."... until they say "eyes up here", at which point, we just react by staring at their eyes and panicking.
It's a natural reflex. 
2072738 Yep, I agree one hundred percent. If you have your head on right, you can watch the sickest, most defiling porn on the internet and not let it affect your waking life. Also in a study on porn consumption, it was deduced that the most porn was watched in the southern, more religious states than anywhere else in the USA. Lol
2072739 Lol That was an amusing but truthful add-on to my rant. XD
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No offense, but when I see a story that I haven't read and already exceeds over 80K words, I'm going to look at my watch and then my schedule and say as I notice that I need to be at work in the next 2 hours, "Hm, looks like I got some time to spare, but should I really read this much?" The content will usually determine that last part for me obviously.
And as far as inconvenience goes for women with large breasts, all I can say is take up yoga or go to a chiropractor regularly. And I can admit to the fact that I have stared at a woman with an overly-sized set on her and got into a serious conversation with her about the inconvenience of having a huge "weight" to bear. The same goes for a guy I knew who literally couldn't wear gym shorts or sweat pants anywhere he went. I'll let you draw your own conclusion as to why that is.