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Ulysses S. Grant vs Helmuth von Moltke · 2:36pm January 4th

Clash of Commanders: S1E3

Ulysses S. Grant

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Helmuth von Moltke

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your comment on when the church was functionalist

Oh it was always functionalist, when it desired to enforce functionalism on all of art is what I was disputing (and I apologize if that's a misreading of what you wrote).

There was probably more cultural control after the Reformation.

Oh, not just probably, folk beliefs were completely erased from popular practice by the competing forces of the Reformation and Counter Reformation. In the Catholic world specifically there was also standardization of the mass (including Church layout) and religious celebrations amongst other things.

There were attempts to regulate and eliminate art to ensure it was functional throughout the Middle Ages

Occasional attempts throughout the period yes, though few were particularly successful or lasting (especially with regards to popular/folk culture). For instance...

Pope John 22's bull of 1324 banning polyphonic music

His successor's successor was actually a proponent of polyphonic music. And that to a large degree goes hand in hand with being a big tent group. Within the big tent there are individuals covering nearly the entire spectrum of opinions on art.

Also, Protestants tended to condemn art more than Catholics had. All Protestant denominations use significantly less art and ornamentation in their churches than Catholic churches.

Indeed, iirc the French Calvinists on one occasion went so far as to to ban painting.

The Reformation was preceded by more than a generation of artists of different types rebelling against the Church.

Another to consideration about the Catholic Church's relation with art in the middle ages is that it was the primary consumer of high art at that time, giving it almost a de facto monopoly by virtue of the fact that it's obviously going to commission the creation of what it deems good. By the start of the early modern era however alternative patrons (merchants, proto-industrialists, ect...) had emerged to offer alternative and (often) secular commissions. I've seen some argue that that rather than artists rebelling against Church is what broke the Church's hold on art.

Re. your comment on when the church was functionalist:

  • The early church might have been more full of people like Augustine who had ambivalent or negative feelings about music, literature, art, and other activities if they didn't have a Christian function, or Tertullian, who said they didn't, and should be eliminated.
  • There was probably more cultural control after the Reformation.

But,

  • The Church's theology opposed or at least frowned on non-functional entertainment throughout; their level of control varied.
  • Plainchant was the only music we have records of in Europe for at least 600 years, even though polyphonic theory was developed 300 years before it was used (see the Scolica Enchiriadis), and this was because chant was designed to be spiritually functional and polyphony wasn't.
  • There were attempts to regulate and eliminate art to ensure it was functional throughout the Middle Ages, including:

    • iconoclasm in Byzantium in the 8th & 9th? centuries
    • Pope John 22's bull of 1324 banning polyphonic music
    • an intense debate from 1470-1530 over polyphonic music; see The Crisis of Music in Early Modern Europe, 1470-1530 by Rob C. Wegman.

    Also, Protestants tended to condemn art more than Catholics had. All Protestant denominations use significantly less art and ornamentation in their churches than Catholic churches.

    The Reformation was preceded by more than a generation of artists of different types rebelling against the Church. One could argue that art was a major factor in breaking up the Catholic church, but it would be hard to say whether that happened because the Church allowed it, or because the Church didn't allow it.

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