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Chrysalis was a talented stage mom trying to earn bits so she can feed her family of children. Her role as the villain in the My Little Pony: Friendship is magic season 2 finale was fulfilling, and was excited to make her grand return in the season 6 finale. However, she doesn't take too kindly at the fact she had to swipe away Starlight's hoof when a better way to feed her children was right in front of her.

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Poor chryssie i love reformed chryssie stories

That was fun

They should just threaten to walk. Make derpy change the script or reshoot the season with their replacements.

"Still, the kids need to know that not everyone can be reformed. And besides, people love you as a villain regardless. If you changed with the other changelings, your true form would look controversial to the public."

Honestly, judging from season 2, and I said this multiple times, I can see Chrysalis being reformed, in fact it's surprising to me that she doesn't get reformed.

"Well, even so, that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to reform and take Starlight's hoof! I mean, I had an entire motivation for wanting to take over Equestria! I had an entire kingdom to feed, and now that they have a peaceful way of feeding, you decide to throw my entire character under the bus?!"

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAY! FINALLY SOMEONE POINTED THIS OUT!

"It's not that you don't have what it takes to have a decent reformation arc, it's just that we don't have any more space for another ex-villain. What could YOU possibly do that's any different from Starlight and Discord before you?"

Aren't those the only reformed villains? Oh wait no, there was Nightmare Moon. Hmmm... Well , after in the show there is Cozy Glow, the storm king, Sombra again I heard, oh and before season 6 was Tirek.

"Listen gals, it has been written, there is no changing the script for any of you. Same goes for everyone else working on this show. But if it's any consolation, I stay as a mail pony and keep my eyes like this, meaning just like you I don't get any character development either."

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"As ready as I'll ever be..."

Good story.


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I think this story is supposed to be close to the show, like a behind the scenes story, if the script was changed then it wouldn't be close to the show and the story would basically just be its own AU.

Honestly, I don’t think there’s any excuse that they could come up with that could excuse not reforming chrysalis. I really like this. Something about seeing characters BTS intrigues me.

"And it will stay like that for the REST of the show. We already wrote our plans for you, you will be forced to join a group of villains as one final test for Twilight then to be defeated and petrified in stone with the rest of them."

"WHAT?! Why would you go against the show's morals and theme like that! And DON'T say because not everyone can be reformed! I am NOT the irredeemable type!"

I agree with Chrysalis Actor. I mean that part went against the show's morals and theme. I mean who in their right mind would accept that a reform villain to force other villains to be used as a test for Twilight and then turned to stone

Scyphi #7 · 1 week ago · · 1 ·

Might as well give forewarning now that I will be playing the devil's advocate here, so...

"Chryssie, do you realize how many reformed villains there are in friendship is magic?"

This IS actually a very valid point, and one I personally agree with. By my count, FiM had already, by that time, reformed Starlight Glimmer, Sunset Shimmer, Discord, Trixie, Gilda, Diamond Tiara, Nightmare Moon/Luna, and, as of this same finale episode, the entire changeling species save only a handful of outliers (not counting Chrysalis). By that point in time, reforming EVERY villain the gang met--as they just about had up to that point--was starting to get a bit old hat and, worse, formulaic, and there was a growing group of fans by that point in time who were starting to criticize the show for it, myself included. It was time to shake it up a little, and the show is still right that, try as you might, you're not going to be able to reform every villain anyway. The set up was just too perfect for Chrysalis to be such a villain to pass up, at least for the season six finale (and she does make for a great villain, so it wasn't like the show wasn't also playing into her strengths doing so).

Because consider it from Chrysalis's (in-show) perspective for a second--she literally just had everything she'd built up for herself forcibly taken away from her by creatures she saw as enemies, as well as her whole hive turn against her to ally with that same enemy in what no doubt felt like the ultimate betrayal. Add in the fact that it'd already been established that Chrysalis is definitely one to hold a grudge and of course she didn't want to reform. The set up for it was all wrong for that, her state of mind not at all in the right mindset for it. It was great Starlight still tried, but I honestly wasn't the least bit surprised that Chrysalis still refused. If she was to reform at all, it would've been more logical to wait and do it later in another episode, after Chrysalis had a chance to cool off and where the writers could better build and set-up for it.

"Well, even so, that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to reform and take Starlight's hoof! I mean, I had an entire motivation for wanting to take over Equestria! I had an entire kingdom to feed, and now that they have a peaceful way of feeding, you decide to throw my entire character under the bus?!"

But then that's the other wrench in the gears for reforming Chrysalis that we're conveniently overlooking here--Chrysalis was NOT doing any of this "for the good of the hive." If that were true, then why try to invade at all and thus completely alienate all of the creatures that could've, instead, voluntarily helped her "feed the hive?" Wouldn't that obviously be the much smarter way to go about doing it? It's not like it wasn't an option--never at any time in canon was it conveyed that Chrysalis had tried or even considered the peaceful route before nor that it wouldn't have worked if she had--she just went straight to the invasion option. Why? Mostly certainly because she was much more interested in getting power for herself than anything else. Starlight even calls her out on precisely that in the same finale, so clearly the writers understood this too.

So yeah, never really bought the whole "she's just doing it to help her hive" argument with Chrysalis, because her behavior never at anytime matched that conclusion, much less supported it.

That's not to say Chrysalis can't still be reformed...it'd just take a different approach, because first you have to figure out a way to convince her to want to in the first place.

Because Chrysalis isn't like other villains like Discord--who was really just a jokester/prankster with WAAAY too much power, not realizing just how lonely that path would leave him if he stayed on it--or Starlight--who was just trying to find a way to control her own life and got in too deep--because Chrysalis is more a political/military villain, more in the vein of Sombra (which was already pointed out didn't get a reformation either) than any other villain. She was in it simply to conquer and amass power for herself, short and simple. This wasn't a scenario where all you needed to do was get her to admit "oops, I did a bad, forgive me?" like most other villains, this was a case where you were going to have to find a way to get her to completely change her world views first before she'd even consider the option.

"What could YOU possibly do that's any different from Starlight and Discord before you?"

"I could serve as a teacher for Thorax on how to be a good leader before he inevitably takes my place! After all, I won't be able to live forever, and he deserves a satisfying conclusion to his character."

Nah, let's be honest here, she would've just been sidelined and become a background character in that scenario, mostly because Thorax already had creatures to give him that advice that had already been put in position to do so, not least of which being Spike (which is precisely what the show DID do), so they technically didn't need Chrysalis to fill that role. If they were going to go that route at all, it'd have made more sense to just keep Chrysalis as the changeling leader and apply all of that directly to her instead and just not gone the Thorax route.

"And it will stay like that for the REST of the show. We already wrote our plans for you, you will be forced to join a group of villains as one final test for Twilight then to be defeated and petrified in stone with the rest of them."

I HIGHLY doubt the show already had season nine planned out by that point in production, given what we've learned about how it generally worked. There was definitely a clear intent to keep using Chrysalis as a villain at that time, but they probably didn't yet have a clear endgame for it yet--that would come later, probably closer to the start of season 8's production.

"Yeah... but your character doesn't define you, just because THEY see a monster doesn't mean you actually are one."

This is important too, because looking at it from the out-of-show perspective finally, while it may not be the ending she'd hoped for her character, Chrysalis DID still get confirmation that she's staying on the show until the end, so hey, job security! Some reoccurring actors would kill for that sort of guarantee, so there are still upsides to this for her, career-wise. And given we the fans are still talking about it even now, she clearly still went on to remain a well-remembered character regardless, so...part of me thinks Chrysalis should also be counting her blessings here--it could've been much worse for her than it was. :twilightsmile:

Besides, sealing her in stone doesn't mean she's gone, so...door's still very open for her to possibly reprise the character in a later MLP show, and maybe then get the reformation she wants. :raritywink:

"Believe me, back when I started, I had doubts that my character would ever live to be reformed as well, given all the things she's done."

I also highly doubt that was actually the case--it was pretty clear the entirety of season 5 was produced with the expectation that Starlight would be revisited by season's end, she would've also been reformed by that same time. Staff probably told Starlight's actress just that straight-up when casting her, before any "filming" had actually taken place.

Incidentally, though, Starlight's one I had always kinda wished had remained a villain for at least until the next season, because she also made for a great villain and had really sold me on that with the finale, so it did seem like a bit of a loss to change course on that so abruptly right when she was at her peak as a villain--at least wind down the girl first before you reform her! :rainbowlaugh:

"The point is, don't stress about how the writers use you, just try to give it your all, and if they change their minds, then that's a plus as well. But if not, don't fret, you'll still be you at the end of the day."

Excellent advice for any actor, that, and really, I feel like that's the more important message to get out of this. :twilightsmile:

Anyway...could they have reformed Chrysalis before the show ended? Probably. And to that end, I do understand the fan frustration for that. But, again playing the devil's advocate here, I also understand the perspective of the writers on why precisely they didn't and, speaking as one who writes myself, I'm not in total disagreement on their reasons. Choosing to NOT reform really would've been in character for Chrysalis, and for the purposes of the season six finale, it really did kinda make more sense to not reform her then once you think it all out, as she could've always been reformed in a later episode if the writer's so chose. As we know, they ultimately didn't, but I think it's more important to focus on the fact they never totally closed the door on it happening eventually, even if it never does happen on screen.

And anyway, at least Chrysalis was offered the chance to reform at all, even if she did reject it. I'm sure you all can name other villains who didn't even get that much. :trixieshiftleft:

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