Sunset Shimmer has trouble accepting something and finds help from an unexpected friend.
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Cute story! Feels like a nice little slice of life :)
It's interesting to see how the community, my own personal feelings and the world at large, have changed over the years in regards to sexuality. The high female to male ratio in the show has always lended itself to fanfiction involving lesbian relationships. In early seasosn especially there were so few male characters at all, that if you wanted to write a romance story about a main character...who do you even ship them with? Big Macintosh? Shining Armor? There simply weren't very many choices, and female+female was pretty much the default scenario.
As somebody who's been on fimfiction for over nine years now, as somebody who's personally written a lesbian horses story...this story you've written leaves me wondering, "but why?"
The message here seems to be, "it's ok! No, really! It's fine!" But...again, it's been ok in this community since day one. It's been so ok, that the whole question of "is it ok" hasn't needed to be addressed at all. Imagine somebody telling you that it's ok to wear shoes when you go outside. Or telling you it's ok to have a salad with your meal. Or telling you it's ok to blink.
Yeah...these things are ok, but they're so ok that it would be a little weird for somebody to go to the effort to tell you that they're ok.
https://www.fimfiction.net/user/448510/Jewel+Joy
Member Since 10th Aug, 2021
Ok. You're new here. Maybe that explains it. In the offline, "real" world...there's been a push for talking about equality and acceptance and approval of sexual whatever-ness so forth to the point of utter ridiculousness. To the point that a lot of people seem to be running on autopilot with their insistence that "it's ok! No really! You're EVIL if you don't constantly babble all the time about how ok it is!!!"
The thing is though, that if something's really ok, there isn't a need to talk about it very much. Again, nobody needs to remind you that it's ok to wear shoes or blink.
For context, the Lyra and Bon-bon group here on fimfiction was apparently the 6th story group ever made on the site, nine years ago back in 2012, and it has nearly 500 stories it. That's a lesbian ship, and it's one of the most popular ships in the entire fandom. While we're at it, here's The Fillyfoolers, a specifically lesbian-shipping group with over 3700 stories in it. Again, female+female is literally the default ship in this community. In fact, here's an actual poll that turned up that eight out of ten of the most popular pairings are female+female.
So, it's not like there's anything wrong with your story. It's fine, I guess. But it's like telling a fish that it's ok to drink water.
If you want write about lesbian horses...my advice is that you not waste time telling us that "it's ok," and instead simply write about lesbian horses.
That was sweet! She may not have centuries or even millennia of experience like her counterpart, but that doesnt mean Principal Celestia can't be wise.
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The author can write what they want. Most ideas on this site aren't new anymore, it's about individual execution and, well, whatever the author themselves want to write.
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go outside
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Sometimes the message that ‘it’s okay’ is as important as just writing about lesbian horses, because there’s still a portion of people on this site that don’t think it’s okay.
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Ayo, go touch some grass my guy and cry about it while you're there. Stories like this ain't meant to be a representation of the state of the fandom or anything, they're literally just... meant to be a little story about something in the character's life. This ain't Celestia telling the fandom that it's okay to be gay, it's Celestia telling Sunset that. Even if you claim that it's the default for the fandom, explain why there's still a lot of homophobes on this site.
Let the author write whatever, it's not that deep
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Ok. But consider that in context. This is Sunset Shimmer, formerly a pony from Equestria...currently a human in the Equestria Girls universe, who apparently has a deep-seated belief down in brain somewhere telling her that it's wrong. Where did that belief come from? Well...if she grew up in Equestria...that kind of implies that what's really going on here, is that the evil ol' bigotted ponies taught her to hate the gays, but the benevolent, good humans know better and they can set her on the righteous path of acceptance.
Do you see how this is weird messaging?
What do you mean "claim?' I literally linked a poll showing that the overwhelming majority of popular ships ar female+female. I'm not making this up, it is this way, I backed it up with sources and anybody's who's been here for any length of time should know that it's the default ship. Go check the search feature if you don't believe me.
Why do you think that?
Because from my point of view, again, as somebody who's been here for nine years, is that...no, there aren't alot of homophobes, an of course there aren't, because this is a site with a vast majority homosexual shipping environment, it's literally the default pairing.
But now we have newer members joining the site, trying to make statements about social justice in an environment where these things have always been ok. Again, it's a not a bad story, but it's like somebody going to a church looking for athiests to preach to. Sure, you can write a story about that..."but why?"
Unfortunately I've been seeing an increasing number of these sorts of stories over the past year or so, and I've a sneaking suspicion that it's a sign that this environment that's been completely ok with lesbian/gay content is now going to become overwhelmed by people who are so convinced that they need to make it ok, that they're going to end up creating the very problems they're railing against. If you push too hard on a pendulum, eventually it swings back the other way.
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I mean, that's like, your opinion, mare.
I may be new to the website but I'm definitely not new to the fandom. It's true that F/F ships are the norm, but so what? I didn't write this for anyone but myself, I got the idea, I got the inspiration and I wrote it, simple as that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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A friend's story got dislike bombed for having gay/trans characters, I'd say there are some homophobes on the site still if you ask me.
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Which story? Your claim seems a little suspect, when 80% of the most beloved ships on the site involve same sex relationships. Do you think that just maybe it's possible...that it was a bad story?
Having homosexual relationships doesn't magically make a story immune to criticism.
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The Pride and Positivity group has a big warning on the main page about stories with pride flags being targeted for downvote bombing - they didn't just decide to warn about that on a whim. You can just take a look at the stories for the event, and see the downvotes. These are not because of the quality of the stories, but because of their content.
This isn't news. It was literally two months ago. Were you just not paying attention?
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I see the warning. I see the whining. I also see a whole lot of politics. They're soliciting donations for black lives matter, they're soliciting donations for the transgender law center, they've posted a nine page document listing various organizations they want you to give money to...Palestian children? Covid-19 in India? Bail funds for people arrested in Atlanta? What even is all this? It's not about ponies, it's a grab bag of "give me money" campaigns. People come here to read about ponies. What's going on here is that these people are using ponies to promote their real world agendas.
That makes people angry.
And now it looks like they're turning around and using gay and transgenderism as a shield, suggesting that if you don't like what they're doing, obviously you must be a bad person who hates minorities.
That abolutely infuriates people who are smart enough to see through the manipulation.
If you actually care about minority issues, then you need to see minorities as real people, not as tools to be used and abused to manipulate people into supporting your cause. And if you're here because you want to read about ponies, you probably don't want to see organized campaigns of people using and abusing ponies by having them be skinsuits wrapped around politics. That's specifically what the blog post you linked is advocating for.
So let's sort the stories in the group and see the "most hated" story to see what's being downvoted "by the evil ol bigots," shall we?
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/496830/2/marching-colors/chapter-2-marching-colors
32 downvotes. First off, that's not a lot. It might be terribly distressing to the participation trophy crowd, but look around, here's a story with 500 downvotes. Here's a story with 700 downvotes. For that matter, here's a story that I wrote with 24 downvotes. Shall I whine and cry about bigotry and "targeted downvoting?" No, people are allowed to dislike things.
Second...the story is politics wearing ponies as a skinsuit. It's not about gay or minority ponies, it's not about romance, and there's no shipping in it...it's shallow advocacy of murder and violence in support of "the cause." Read the story.
You, reader, must understand that, in the darkest of hours, it doesn’t matter who you fight for. Only, that you know what you’re fighting for. Maybe your country? A loved one, perhaps? Maybe, you’ll die trying to legalize something bigger than you. Maybe you’ll die to save your race from being massacred. Maybe you’ll die legalizing our rights. Maybe, you’ll die a hero.
Gee, that's not subtle or anything.
Maybe instead of defending obvious political propaganda, try reading some actual ship-fics.
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So let me see if I understand this.
-Real world politics in your pony stories is bad, even though literally every genre of media is political.
-There are people absolutely infuriated by politics in their pony stories.
-Minority issues shouldn't be addressed by fanfiction.
Remind me why you're here again? Oh, right, it's because this story was so unnecessary in this space because it's okay to be gay! But not if it's political! Or if it relates to the real world. Or, really, if it dares to address anything relatable to minorities at all.
Why don't you just admit that you just don't want to actually have to think about your lesbian horses? Because there's nothing wrong with wanting to just read some fluffy shipfics that don't have any deep underlying themes. The problem comes when you think you're so morally superior that you write an essay about how politics are so unnecessary in literature because you don't want to be challenged, even when you know it's a lie.
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Either you don't understand or you're deliberately misframing. I'm not sure which.
There is very clearly a difference between "the two lesbian horses had happy fun times, lived their lives and had interesting adventures together" and "the evil capitalist patriarchy oppressed the righteous activists, who valiantly took up arms and murdered them, and you dear reader, should do the same. Also here's a list of organizations you should give money to. Oh and I guess there were some <ponies/insert whatever the topic of the site is>."
And there you go, accusing me of being a bigot if I don't like the politics. Exactly like I described.
Nobody likes being manipulated. I'm here for ponies, not to be inducted into your revolution.
You'll get used to it pretty quickly.
Wait what!?!?!?
Ok now I understand what's going on.
She's right, good or bad everyone in this world still deserves someone to love and care for and about.