An alternate version of Chapter 8 of "A Secret Admirer 3" in which Starlight, Smolder, Ember, Thorax, and a bonus fifth member beat up Chrysalis for rubbing Spike's death in their faces one time too many.
Cover art made by PonyEcho on Deviantart: https://www.deviantart.com/ponyecho/art/They-Watch-You-From-The-Shadows-472826913
WARNING: The following fic contains content of two Irate Dragons, a Unicorn, a mystery creature, and a Changeling beating the living crap out of an unremorseful murderer. Viewer Discretion is advised.
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SAVAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is now Canon to me!!!!!!!!! 😈
Holy crap. Chrysalis was the one they hated but they beat the shit out of Cozy Glow. WTF
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Oops, thanks for catching that.
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I almost died laughing thinking about them beating the crap out of Cozy, when it was Chrysalis who was the evil one.
No prob! It was real funny though
Darn shame. It would of made one hell of a funny random side plot
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Although, now that you’re here, I can’t help but feel like Raven’s gonna pop up somewhere, claiming how, “This is all Discord’s fault that she ended up like this!”
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Raven: And you're absolutely right. Sorry it took me so long but I'm here now. First of all the author of my story want to say he'd enjoyed this little side tale of yours. Things may not have gone the way he expected but he love it either way. Giving Chrysalis a fighting chance was honarable even if she was out numbered, good show. But now to the real problem at hoof.....
Raven: None of this wouldn't of happened if wasn't for DISCORD!!!! I still find it hilarious that they have all this rage towards Chrysalis and showed barely any of it towards him before forgiving him and I don't give a DAMN about how she was making fun of Spike's death, they were just words nothing more. She saw how she can still get at you all with the only thing she had left to fight with and it would of been pointless to her if you all just ignore her entirely, but no you let her get to you and now she's an unconsis broken mess from the beating you all gave her.
Raven shakes her head disappointedly. "You know what that's it that's the final straw.....Mpony!"
Me: Yes!
Raven: remember that request 1jckunn asked you to write?
Me: ......yeah!
Raven: Write it! Get me into this "Spike sacrifice" story of his and make me the defense attorney for the L.O.D.
Me: But how? I don't want to put any spoilers from your story in there. So how I would I make it work? If I decide to do it now.
Raven: You're smart you'll think of something.
Me: I guess, but it will be sometime before I start it, I still have 2 stories that people are waiting for an update for that i'm working on, not to mention continuing your story, but I'll see what I can do.
Raven: good and that would give you time to think of something good and I can't wait to tear that monster down in two universes.
Raven smiles smugly
Coming soon: OBJECTION!!!!! Spike's Sacrifice was was completely Unnecessary by: Mpony1
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Smolder: Okay, Raven. Let’s compare Discord and Chrysalis, shall we?
Discord, a reformed villain who just wanted to help his friends by giving Twilight a confidence boost and reform not one, but three villains. One of them being a broken-minded Pegasus who was manipulated at the hands of another villain. He not plan on the villains turning on him at the last second, expressed deep remorse after Spike’s death, and apologized to Cozy on her first day back to the School of Friendship.
Chrysalis, a psychopath who was hellbent on revenge and getting rid of us. Not only expressed no remorse after Spike’s death, but was happy about it just because we were suffering, rubbed his death in our faces, and was practically begging for a beating.
Number of times Chrysalis invaded Equestria: 3
Number of times Discord invaded Equestria: 2 (reformed shortly after second try)
I think it’s clear who the winner is here.
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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/reformed
Discord is not reformed.
By manipulating 4 others and resulting in thier demise... yeah moral highground there.
Not a psychopath. And even if she was what your point there eggroll? I suffer from ASPD (sociopathy/pshychopathy) does that mean i should be executed for that? flawed logic right there.
She did lose everything and a big factor were you in that. Not that it excuses her but the result was: you happy ranbows butterflies and her : Verge of madness.
(read above answear) also she did lose everything again it makes sense she will drawn any emotion she can from everyone (The most dangerous person is the one who has nothing left to lose)
Aaand ofcourse the famous parthian shot. AKA the consealed admitance of deafeat....
Wooo hooo! We can talk about morals all day is fun cause commoners (around 70% of the human populance) Use their personal feeling when judging and not an objective spirit.
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My reaction to all of this:
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HOLD ID!
Discord had 2 invasions of Equestria in the first one he was originally and was sealed in stone.
2 out of 3 Chrysalis incursions were made to provide food for their people while Discord did his business solely to allay his boredom.
no one could even imagine that the hunger of the Chaydzhlings could be suppressed by giving the accumulated love between them. It's like trying to get drunk on your own sweat. (why it is impossible to constantly feed on love energy between chayjlings see "why it is impossible to build a perpetual motion machine")
the third invasion was exclusively Discord's fault and the fact that the villains betrayed him was quite an obvious result, because he, in the form of Grogar, not only united them, he also threatened them and actually kept them at bay. Giving a powerful artifact to such a character is a very bad idea.
and even if this is not taken into account, the fact that Discord created the ideal conditions for Armageddon cannot be ignored. (This is roughly the same if you leave a box with a weapon in prison and in the event of a riot, shift the blame solely to the prisoners)
By the way, the destruction of the Tree of Harmony is also in fact Discord's fault, because he directly watched this and did nothing to prevent it.
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Smolder: To be clear, we overturned the death sentence for Tirek and Chrysalis. They were resentenced to Life in Tartarus. Also, Cozy was reformed.
Smolder: Well, then, what would you call her? No, you shouldn’t be executed for having ASPD. The thing is Chrysalis commited straight-up murder and laughed in our faces about it because she hated us and wanted to see us suffer.
Smolder: She had an opportunity to be “happy rainbows and butterflies” as you put it when Starlight offered her a hoof of friendship. She could’ve joined the other Changelings with Thorax and had a great life. In that moment, she had a choice to change paths, but she chose to stick with the wrong path and look what happened
Smolder: See my previous answer also. It was her choice. She had an opportunity for a better life and she decided, “screw it” because she wanted to get revenge on us. Ask yourself, do you really want to have someone who wants to get revenge on someone for trying to help them down a better path just to achieve some kind of petty victory back in society?
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Raven: Actually the number of times Discord invaded Equestria was also 3 times. (1000 years ago, after he was first freedom from stone, and of course when he joined Tirek) What on earth are they teaching you in that school of yours........oh right "friendship" they wouldn't want you think so badly about Discord if they told you all the evil things he'd done, that or you trying to ignore his other crimes....hmph!
And like I said before I don't give a damn about Chryslis using Spikes death to hurt you all. That conversation would've never of happened it wasn't for Discord bringing her back in the first place.
Raven: and yet despite clearly knowing about all of this about her since Discord was their when the changlings reformed, saw Chrysalis declare vengeances on Starlight, and was the one who found and pluck her up when her mind was also broken and mess up. Say what you want about what Tirek did to Cozy but Discord did the same thing to Chrysalis and none of you fault him for that.
So you're right miss Smolder it is clear who the winner is: DISCORD! NO CONTEST!
And don't try to say he didn't know about the betrayal because that's complete BULLSH*T and you know it. Discord is a master of manipulation. He can do things without even leaving ant evidence that he was behind it from the start. Like when he sent the mane 6 on that fake friendship quest and they didn't know he was behind it until it was too late and because I believe he did know about the betrayal that brings his invasion of Equestria up to 5.
Remember no one knew how Sombra came back until he confess about it and it was he who sent Sombra to invade The crystal empire and let him do what he wanted. Discord also the founder of the L.O.D. and was using them as pawns to help Twilight, so of course he is responsible for all their actions, since he was the the one who brought them together.
You know what! Enough of this Mpony1 was gonna make Fluttershy the prosecutor in that reaquest story but given our little history it's clear that it's you who should take me on in court and who cares it doesn't make sense. So what do you say Miss Smolder do you have what it takes to take me on. Lucky for you I can't bring my "A" game but I'm still not gonna make it easy for you.
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Smolder: Oops, I messed that up, thank you for correcting me. I was wrong and I’m sorry.
Smolder: Those Changelings were brainwashed by her into believing that they had to feed off of love instead of sharing it like Thorax. Also, I’m getting really tired of having to correct this assumption. Discord didn’t pluck her to “allay his boredom”. He did this for a plan to give Twilight a confidence boost for ruling over all of Equestria. She was a nervous wreck in the last few days of Celestia and Luna’s rule before retirement and he felt like he had to do something to help her feel like she was ready to take over. He also did it to reform Cozy Glow, who he knew was messed up in the head already, but didn’t know it was at Tirek’s hands.
Smolder: He was setting them up to fail. What part of that do you not understand? Keep in mind that this all happened because of something those three read in a book. You should also take into account that they betrayed him at the last second of the worst possible time. Also, he helped us get out of our cages in one go. It’d be one thing if he just gave up and left us there to figure it out ourselves, but he didn’t do that.
Smolder: No, he knew the Twilight and the others embodied the virtues of the Elements. He also said as long as they stand together, they will always triumph. Inspried by his words, they took on Sombra again and successfully overpowered him without Discord’s help. While I was a little miffed at him faking his injuries at first, I realized he did Twilight and her friends a huge favor by teaching them that they didn’t need the actual artifacts to become the Elements.
Smolder: Very well, then. However, before I leave here today, I would like to say that a chapter that was previously cut from ASA 3 is now being published. I’m not going to reveal anything, but Discord is going to do one, last good thing for the harem. It should hopefully be out by August 1. See you then and have a great day. (flies away).
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Me on the sidelines:
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You join in on this. Theirs plenty room for more
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Once again their are people who gets it, who understands that no matter what Discord is at fault.
OH MY GOD!
It's great to meet these extremely smart people.
And if by chance you haven't heard of it check this story out sometime Wait this isn't over yet!!!! it's a story about Raven Inkwell trying to get everyone to see why Discord should be punished by using facts, logic, and strong evidence to support her claims but of course Fluttershy stands in her way and defends Discord.
The story is still in progress but I am still working on it and soon everyone will see the monster that Discord truly is.
Came here lured by the title and description, expecting a revenge fic of some sort. Didn't even read it, the comments themselves are amusing enough.
Anybody want popcorn?
This was a much more believable scenario before you added the harem.
Also doesn't Chrysalis have some of the most powerful magic in the show? Why wasn't she using some of that while she was fighting? And if it (and by extension Tirek's magic) were blocked this whole time, then there should have been a scene explaining how that was possible, and what was responsible, so we knew when and where it was in effect.
I do think Chrysalis is in character (for the most part) and I can't say for sure that the characters wouldn't do something like this (given how the latter seasons ended) but there's still a few things that weren't given a proper explanation, and don't fit in context of the show, and it really removes the audience from the immersion.
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me,i'm out of popcorn
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What say Cozy Glow and Tirek about this?
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What do you mean?
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Here you go enjoy
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What's their take on what befell Chrysalis?
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Probably half scared s--tless at how angry RD, Smolder, Starlight, Ember, and Thorax became and half shocked at how cruel she was.
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Smolder: There’s a reason why it’s “just words” to you, Raven. You neither knew him nor loved him like we did.
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Raven: Is that what you think!? Well just look out for the next chapter of the request story and we'll see about that. Mpony is still working on the next chapter of "Wait this isn't over yet" No promises but he hopes to get it this weekend.
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Smolder: I will, but you and I both know that I really put up a valid point. Twilight’s never recalled a time where you’ve ever really talked to Spike and got to know him. If you did, you’d be on our side. Spike’s also heard about how you’re going against his final wish and is very dissapointed in you.
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Raven: And why would she? It not her place to share the personal lives of other creatures like that! Would you like it if your friends shared personal stuff about your life with other creatures without consent? That would be a breach of trust.
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Smolder: Hmm, true, but there’s not a lot , if not, nothing at all, to hide in my personal life anymore. Ever since we lost Spike, I’ve learned to be a lot more open with, well, just about everyone after I was brought out of my depression. I’ve learned a lot about sharing my personal life thanks to a few lessons I picked up from none other than Spike and Fluttershy. In fact, I’m considering publishing a book of my own about what I’ve went through on this site because, let’s face it. I went through a really tragic and tramatic experience and a lot of people could benifit from using the lessons I picked up should they go through what I went through. 1Jckuhn’s a little hesitant, but I’ll give him a little time for him to give me a yes or a no. One question, though. What’s “personal” to you about talking with Spike and getting to know him, Raven?
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Raven: I obviously known Spike for a very long time Here's proof
As for what's personal, I won't waste talking about it here, you'll just have to wait, for those answes.
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Smolder: Hmm, alright. You did know him like we did, but what about loving him like we did? I guess I’ll have to wait and see in CH.4 of that request story, won’t I?
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Raven: Indeed!
Really? Just wow, Rainbow, Starlight, Thorax, Ember and Smolder were hypocrites in this story, beating the living daylight out of poor Chryssie when they could have just ignored her! She wasn't even that much of a threat anymore, and they still tortured her senselessly anyways! They are no better than her! And Discord have let her, Tirek and Cozy Glow kill Spike but he still is forgiven and gotten off scot-free for what happened! The ponies are hypocrites and monsters and have corrupted so many other creatures with their lies and false friendship including the changelings and dragons! And the ponies were even more than willing to betray some of their own kind and imprison them if they do something wrong. No wonder Chrysalis, Tirek and Cozy Glow were the way they were.
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Chrysalis is a un-remorseful BITCH! She had it coming. And no, you won't change my mind.
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So what if she didn't show regret? They still could have ignored her, they were just words and nothing more, but no, they still went ahead and nearly beaten the life out of her! We don't even know the whole story with her, she may have suffered a bad past, and she may have been attacked and gotten her holes when she was younger without doing anything and she may have lost some of her fellow changelings when ponies killed them for just trying to find food, and those ponies might've not shown remorse either. And Tirek didn't seem like he was too happy with Spike's dead, but the ponies still wanted revenge on him anyways, and he and Chrysalis would have been executed if the author of this story didn't change it to life in Tartarus. Twilight and the others didn't even wanted to give Cozy Glow a second chance at first, and like I said, it was Discord's fault for letting those three evil ones kill Spike, but he wasn't punished, and no, shutting out from everyone and having nightmares of Spike hating him doesn't count.
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Smolder: You’re joking, right?! Bad past? Give me a break! Yeah, yeah, okay. That makes sense. Having an entire hive of creatures who have been turned into your servants bending to your every whim sounds like she had it really rough.
Smolder: Changelings, before they were reformed, were naturally born with the holes in their legs. Ask Thorax. He knows. Chrysalis wasn’t “finding food” for her hive either. She brainwashed them into believing they had to feed off of love rather then share it like Thorax. Let’s also not forget what she tried to do to him when she found him out. During that battle, you have to remember after that battle, Starlight offered her a hoof of friendship, she rejected it, and decided not to live a better life. If changelings were killed in the blast, Chrysalis has no one to blame but herself for that one. She intentionally put her subjects in danger to try and attack us.
Smolder: Okay, now you’re starting to sound like Raven and she leaves me with a headache everytime she shows up to spew one of her crazy, backwards conspiracy theories. For Tirek, we were considering giving him a lighter sentence, but when we found out how he manipulated Cozy when it was crystal clear the poor filly needed medical help immediately killed any chance of that happening (See chapter 12 of ASA 3). Don’t get me wrong. Everyone in Equestria, including me, feels like crap for not getting Cozy medical help the first time around. As for Discord, he had good intentions in mind. He not only wanted to give Twilight a confidence boost, but he also wanted to reform all three of them in a single go, not realizing two of those three for what they really were. Before you say anything about Sombra, Discord believed that there were no redeeming qualites and let him go, thinking his gigantic ego and cockiness would be his downfall, not realizing he was scheming and sadistic enough to take Flurry Heart hostage. As for the others, Discord’s plan of reformation would’ve gone perfectly if it weren’t for one, small thing. During the Summer Sun Setback, the legion was able to sneak away from Discord and cause a huge amount of ruckus to slip past the guards and get into the castle. Once inside, they managed to grab a book that held detailed notes on how to use the bell and they slipped out just as quickly and quietly as they slipped in. They managed to keep the book a secret until the time was right to betray Discord, derailing his whole plan at the last possible second of the worst possible time. When you think about it that way, you realize that Spike’s death happened by chance and by accident.
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Smolder: Right on the mark there, OP.
Again, we don't know what made her become that way in the first place, and you guys didn't even bother trying to find out about her past, instead you chose to become as bad as her if not worse. Wow, do you seriously believe that? Do you really think that Chrysalis was willing to risk the lives of her subjects just to get what she wants? Again, we don't know about her backstory, and after all, no one is born evil, something must have happened to make her become that way, but you guys still went ahead and judged her anyways and wanted her dead, you just have her beaten which wasn't any better than what she did. Wow, you are really such a hypocrite. The only reasoned they managed to get Grogar's bell and the book that showed them how to use it to begin with is because Discord have brought them together and let them cause all that chaos. I don't care why he did it, he still shouldn't have done it! And as for Sombra, yes he did try to kidnap Flurry and conquer the Crystal Empire and then managed to destroy the tree of harmony so that he can takeover Equestria, but that was all because Discord have brought him back from the dead to begin with, and he have let Sombra cause all that terror, and used his second death to make the other three to stay in line which have failed so horribly in the end. So, if you all forgive Discord, you will have to forgive Chrysalis and Tirek as well, but if you insist on executing them or putting them in Tartarus for life, you will have to punish Discord too, same with Cozy since she helped kill Spike as well. And she was only spared because of that friend of her that have come back, you guys wouldn't have forgiven her otherwise!
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Smolder: Sorry for replying so late. I had things to do.
Smolder: We tried to find out her background information and came up with nothing and it’s not like she’d want to open up to us and tell where she came from. From what I’ve heard from Thorax and the other changelings, she was nothing short of tyranical and sadistic. Don’t get us wrong. We tried to ignore her, but she just refused to let up. There’s only so far she could’ve pushed us and she did just that and so much more. Adding to that, she escaped that magic blast with only a singed mane. Even with the injuries she got from that beating, she’s still able to walk away from it and she’ll be back to normal in a few months. Spike doesn’t have that ability. He was reduced to nothing more than a bloody, charred mess. There’s still, and forever will be, a large stain of dried blood on the ground where he lay dying. So, do not say we were harsh on Chrysalis. If anything, she’s lucky to even still be breathing.
Smolder: Uh, yeah. Chrysalis probably couldn’t care less about how many of her subjects were killed, just so long as she got what she wanted. Need I remind you that she brainwashed those changelings into believing they needed to feed off of love rather than sharing it?
Smolder: You’re missing the point. If that book would’ve just been put in a more secure location, Discord’s plan would’ve gone off without a hitch. He would likely use sneak attacks during the final battle without them knowing. He was trying to get their egos to an all-time high, then, after they were defeated, their egos would be completely crushed. In the process, however, they’d realize that the way they’re living their lives is no way to continue, thus they’d turn over a new leaf and be good creatures. Unfortunately, we all didn’t realize just how incorrigible Tirek and Chrysalis were. As for Sombra’s attack, while Discord did free him, he also provided the elements with helpful advice when it seemed like all was lost. He said as long as they stick together and embody the virtues of the elements, they’d always triumph. Inspired by his words, the Elements fought Sombra again and, this time, came out on top. As much as we want to think that those other two have any redeeming qualities, we can’t. Tirek may be remorseful about what happened to Spike, but still never cared about what happened to Cozy. In fact, Cozy’s one of the main reasons we can’t let those other two out. Chrysalis’ attitude would be a bad influence on the filly. As for Tirek, if we let him out again, Cozy will be retramatized, possibly beyond repair. Oh, and as we went back from the Dungeon, Twilight was considering reforming Cozy before we received news that she finally cracked. She is just a kid after all.
It seems that you haven’t read a previously deleted chapter on A Secret Admirer 3. In the chapter, Discord drops one last surprise on all of us to honor Spike. Check it out:
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/494376/15/a-secret-admirer-3-spikes-sacrifice-au/chapter-15-discords-good-deed
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Oh, I read it alright, but it did so little to make me change my mind, and what he did for his so-called amends means nothing! Where he had his stupid little museum built should have been turned into his execution site instead, and everypony and creature should have tear him into shreds for what he did that resulted to Spike's death! Spike's so called final wish to have everyone forgive Discord is futile! Discord deserves to be depowered, tortured and executed for what he did!
Again, I do not care what his reasons were, he still committed the crime and now he must pay the price! But you guys aren't even planning on seeking retribution against the spirit of chaos, instead you all chose to forgive that freak of nature with no grudge while you all willingly gave Chrysalis such a merciless, gruesome beating that she could have died from if not her her strong will. You had no problem lashing out on her and also gotten mad at Tirek after finding out what happened between him and Cozy but didn't show the same amount of anger towards Discord.
And you know what, maybe I am beginning to have second thoughts on Cozy Glow because even despite everything she did, she is still just a filly. But if she was older and if it wasn't for her bad condition, she would have been either sent back to to Tartarus for life, been turned into stone for eternity or even be executed. And when you, Twilight and the others have went down to the dungeon to press charges on Chrysalis, Tirek and Cozy Glow, you all wanted revenge on them for taking Spike's life and redemption was not even a option!
Yes, Twilight did considering helping Cozy, but I highly doubt that she was actually going to do it! Also, not everyone would have been sorry for the poor filly if not for that Cobalt pony and the news of Cozy breaking down. Plus, I have read that one chapter where it was shown that you and your friends would still be mad at Cozy Glow if not for her unstable mental state.
By the way, yes, I'm fully aware that Discord helped Twilight and the others defeat Sombra again by faking his injury, but he still have brought him back to begin with, and Discord had his magic then, so he could have sent Sombra back to the Either so easily, but instead he decided to let him wreck havoc on Ponyville and Canterlot and make Twilight and the others to risk their lives to stop him on their own, and they barley even managed to defeat Sombra.
And again, you didn't bother trying to help Tirek and Chrysalis change, you just wanted an excuse to beat up Chrysalis and make her and Tirek suffer, and even if Chrysalis did show regret for killing Spike and Tirek showing regret for what he putted Cozy Glow through you would still have them tortured and executed anyways because you wanted revenge, not justice! You didn't have Chrysalis beaten like that for justice, you beaten her out of pure spite and hatred! And Discord deserves to be beaten up for real, because it is because of him that Spike have gotten himself killed by the Legion of Doom, but instead you chose to forgive him and let him off scot-free with no punishment and pain inflicted on him!
And you tried to ignore Chrysalis? Well you have failed miserably and look what happened! I really hope it was worth letting your anger and emotions getting the better of you and stooping down to Chrysalis' level.
By the way, I forgive you for replying so late. I'm sorry I didn't reply back sooner.
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Smolder: You don’t get it, do you? Even after Spike’s final wish and the revelations of his true intentions behind this plan, Discord still wanted to do something nice for everyone out of the bottom of his heart. Yet, you want to execute him for it??? If you really can’t see his good deed for what it truly is, then I honestly don’t know what to tell you.
Smolder: There a slew of reasons why we chose to forgive him.
1. Because of Spike’s final wish. As he lay on that ground growing weaker from his injuries, Spike knew that having someone dead was entirely the last thing Discord wanted. When we had a chance to think about it more, we realized Spike was making the right call in his last moments. He’s not some violent, sadisitc monster who tried to bring us to our knees like those other two. He had a solid plan, but it fell apart at the last second by accident and by chance.
2. He had good intentions in mind. He wanted to give three creatures a chance at a better future because he believed that they had some type of good in them. Unfortunately, two of those three showed just how they were evil to the core. Which brings me to number three.
3. Cozy Glow now has a true second chance at life and being herself because of him. He also took the liberty of apologizing to her face for what he put her through, unlike Tirek. If it weren’t for his plan, Cozy would still be in Tartarus. Even if we did consider giving her a second chance, there’s a very good chance she would’ve been too broken to re-enter society.
4. He still sought to do good deeds even after the people caught in the middle of his plans that unintentionally caused harm. (See Spike’s museum).
As for Chrysalis, she’s done things that she’s never sought repentance for. Brainwashing an entire hive of creatures into feeding off of love, seven counts of attempted murder, 12 counts of kidnapping. The list goes on. Keep in mind Chrysalis’ and Tirek’s invasion count is three for both. Discord’s sits at two. Before you say anything about him teaming up with Tirek, I want you to take a look at this theory and see if he really betrayed them or if he acted as a double agent.
Smolder: Which was why Discord did what he did. He cared about not just Cozy, but Tirek and Chrysalis too, when no one else did. Now are you starting to see the bigger picture here? He cared about them enough to give them a shot at a better life, but it all derailed by chance. Yeah, we would still be mad at her, but we’d keep an open mind for her. When I went down that dungeon, despite everyone’s anger toward Chrysalis, we all noticed something off with Cozy when we looked her right in the eye. I can’t describe it because it’d be much too complicated to explain, but I’ll try my best. Her pupils seemed to hold her soul in them and it seemed broken and crying for help, begging anyone to save it. When we went home that day, we were all talking about it and that’s what made Twilight consider a second chance for Cozy.
Smolder: We went in with an open mind and we noticed the demeanors of all three immediately. Chrysalis looked like a filly at the carnival, while Tirek and Cozy both seemed remorseful. We were considering giving them a lighter sentence because of that. Plus, because of Cozy’s age, she wouldn’t be able to receive a life sentence. She’d have to be paroled at some point. Even then, I’ve said this before too, Spike would’ve wanted us to give Cozy a second chance even before we found out about her mental state. If he had another 10 seconds of life, I guarantee he’d want us to consider giving Cozy a second chance too in addition to forgiving Discord.
Smolder: No, we wouldn’t. If they were actually sorry for what they did, we would definitely think about giving both a second chance, or, at least, reduce the charges and/or give them a plea deal. To you, beating Chrysalis may not seem like justice, but it is in the eyes of many others. Literally everyone in Equestria knew and loved Spike and I cannot describe the shock, horror, and sadness everyone felt when word spread that Spike had died. Hell, I can’t even describe my own feeling of sadness, shock, and horror. Discord felt genuine remorse for his actions, while Chrysalis acted like she had won a medal when she received word he had died. Then, she had the audacity to mock him in the grave just to show the world what true monster she truly was. That was one of the reasons I was irate when Chrysalis was talking down on him again and again. Even after she was defeated, she was still rebellious and disrespectful to us. We did try to ignore her, but the statement where she said they won due to killing someone was the final straw.
You're the one who doesn't get it! Discord have caused poor Spike to die, and I don't give a flying fuck about his 'good deed'! Discord still deserves to die, and yet you have chosen to let him live! You are such a hypocrite!
Yeah right! I'll bet that even if Discord didn't regret his actions, you'd still forgive him anyways because he is your friend, so are fine with him ruining the lives of others and taking the life of a child away just as long he has 'good intentions', all the while you have Chrysalis and Tirek executed or imprisoned for life whether or not they regret their actions! Oh, and it wasn't by chance either, it was all part of his plan, whether they wanted to kill Spike or not! And it was all on purpose!
Bullcrap! He just wanted Chrysalis, Tirek and Cozy Glow to attack Canterlot on Twilight's coronation day just so he could 'help' her gain enough confidence to rule Equestria! He didn't care about the three or had intentions of helping them change and could care less about what happens to them as long as Twilight 'gains confidence'! Who cares about how evil Chrysalis and Tirek were? They, along with Cozy Glow, have only managed to kill Spike to begin with because Discord have let them get Grogar's bell and it doesn't matter what should have been done with the book, and don't go saying that 'Discord did not intended to have anyone killed and wanted to help the three change' because that is not true at all!
Cozy was only spared because Spike and this Cobalt pony wanted Twilight and the others to forgive her, they wouldn't have given her a second chance otherwise, and Discord wouldn't really care what happens to her. Discord did what he did so that Cozy Glow could be in a better place and have a second chance? Brainwashing her into slavery of 'friendship' was more like it! I'd much rather have Cozy become much worse while in Tartarus with Tirek than to have the poor filly submitting into 'friendship' submission against her will!
Again with the good deed nonsense! He only built that fucking museum so that no one would want to be mad at him, thus allowing him to get away with what he have done. He did not do it to make up for what he did!
Bullshit! Discord only have sided with Tirek because he thought that the friendship he had with Fluttershy, Twilight and the others wasn't enough and wanted the freedom to cause chaos and disharmony and wreck havoc as much as he please, not realizing that Tirek would take advantage of it and betray him. So he actually have tried to conquer Equestria three times! And as for Chrysalis, I'm aware of the attempts that she made to takeover Equestria, but the first two times was to provide food for her subjects, the third time was because Starlight have taken her hive and subjects from her, causing her to go insane! And I don't think she brainwashed the other changelings to do what she wanted! They all have gone along with her plans willingly. And besides, even if what you said about her was true, that still doesn't excuse what you, Ember, Thorax, Starlight and Rainbow have done to her! Honestly, you have become as bad as her if not worse!
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Smolder: No, it wasn’t his fault that Spike died. He had no control of them when they cornered the Mane Six. They broke away all because of a gigantic domino effect of unfortunate circumstances, nothing of which had to do with him. He was betrayed at the last second of the worst possible time and that’s in no way in his fault because he had no clue about it.
Smolder: No, No, NO!!! You’ve got everything all wrong. If he were faking, we would see it and punish him for it just like those other two. He’s made up for his mistakes and he’s not being punished for it. He showed genuine remorse and made it his goal to make up for the mayhem he caused. If Tirek and Chrysalis were really remorseful for what happened, they’d show it too, apolgizing to us, swearing to make it up to the victims of their selfish, greedy acts. Chrysalis not only showed zero remorse for what she did, but she wore the fact that she killed Spike like a medal. Tirek may not share his cohort’s views on Spike, but he still offered no apology to us for what he did, nor did he offer an apology to poor Cozy for what he put her through. To this day, the poor filly is still in a lot of pain by what she’s been put through by that creep. There’s a very good possibility she’ll be like that for the rest of her life. Do you honestly and sincerely believe that they are remorseful for what happened?
Smolder: No, he didn’t. I know Discord and I know he wouldn’t just leave us hanging to fend for ourselves. He’d likely use sneak attacks disguised as Grogar to weaken the trio without them knowing it. Say if his plan had gone accordingly with no deaths, no injuries, the damage kept at a minimal, and the trio were reformed. Would you still be angry at him?
Smolder: He put them through a series of trust trials (which happened offscreen), they passed, and Discord believed that it’d be smooth sailing from there on out. He was originally going to go and get the bell himself, but decided to send them up instead to teach them teamwork, which is something all friends do on a daily basis.
Smolder: He was trying to give her a second chance at life. What part of this are you not understanding? He cared about her enough to bust her out of Tartarus when no one else would. We were all too stupid and uncaring enough not to give a damn about her the first time around, Discord knew words alone wouldn’t sway The Mane Six, let alone the entire population. So, he had no choice, in his eyes, but to do this plan and thread the needle. His plan was solid, but it all fell apart because of a stupid book.
Smolder: No, he did it to give Twilight one last surprise as a final, “I’m sorry” for all the trouble he caused.
Smolder: Which is exactly what a double agent would want the enemy to think. He pretended to go along with Tirek in order to enable Twilight to obtain her key and thus open the chest, which in turn would allow the Mane 6 to defeat Tirek.
Smolder: *sigh* It’s clear you’re not going to listen to me about the whole first two times. So, I’ll hand the reins over to Thorax. He knows first-hand what hell Chrysalis did to her subjects.
Thorax: Thanks, Smolder. Listen, you may think Chrysalis has some type of redeeming quality to her, but she doesn’t. At a very young age, I had a very difficult choice to make. I could either flee the hive and live on my own or I could stay there and face her wrath and fury all because I wanted to share love rather than feed off of it like the others were brainwashed into doing. I was left with no other alternative but to flee to stay alive. I had no choice but to fend for myself. It wasn’t just for a day or a week either. It was for 14 years! Every day, I had never given up hope that I’d make a friend. Then came the day when a miracle happened, which was Spike! It’s because of him that I am where I am today! I considered him a brother! Starlight offered Chrysalis a chance to turn over a leaf, but she rejected it. She didn’t go insane either. She knew exactly what she was doing the day when she fired that magic beam that ended my brother’s life! She’s just a plain, unremorseful, sadstic, incorrigible, evil, and murderous creature who is a danger to society and should never be allowed free. Do not try to justify her actions by saying she was insane when it is crystal clear that only Cozy is mentally scarred and broken! It was bad enough she took away someone who I considered family, but when she started treating him like trash, that was the last straw! She’s put not just me, but an entire hive’s worth of her, and my, own species, through hell for who knows how long and, now, at long last, she is receiving her long overdue comeuppance for her crimes!