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James Pwyll


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The most wicked alliance to ever threaten Equestria has been vanquished, ushering in an era of peace for all. But one pony in particular feels that, with so many enemies-turned-friends under their belts, they should at least try with their latest defeated foes. With a little help from her chaotic bestie of course.

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Ah yes, everyone is sassy. Love it!

this is a great start, but i feel it either needs a sequel, or more chapters

thats a good start.
Sequel?

Nice to see Fluttershy finally trying to reform them.

Discord's presence makes sense, although I think his comments are more disruptive then helpful here. Perhaps Fluttershy could ask him to be quiet for the next session. I feel that the session itself was a little too short. All it was is an introductory as to what it was and one random family related question to Tirek, a bit of encouragement towards Chrysalis and nothing to else to Cozy. It feels odd that Fluttershy would go to her final thoughts so early. Also, did she just leave them there in cages in the middle of the open? Either way, this is at least a good setup for a potential continuation, should you decide to write it.

"After everything you and your friends have done with others, how could we not have had this coming? You're gonna let us out, try to have us talk out our feelings, then follow the tune of friendship like your boyfriend here,"

Clever girl.

Fluttershy saw the bitterness and frustration all were displaying, not only towards her but to each other.

Perhaps it would be best to separate first?

interesting, but it doesn't sound like a "complete" story. More like just the beginning of something bigger.

Not bad, I like the concept! Having the ponies try to reform the Trio was something the show should have done anyway. That said, I do think having Discord here would prove more of a hindrance, especially given that he’s why they were brought together in the first place. The characters mostly seem right—I think Chryssy might be a bit too cartoonishly evil here. That bit about the “forces of darkness will prevail!” Is a bit on the nose, especially since Chryssy initially had an understandable reason for invading Equestria. She is vain and narcissistic, but also severely self-deceiving. At least, that’s my reading.

I also think this story needed more chapters, or a continuation. It doesn’t feel like a complete story; it feels like the beginning of a story, and it asks for a middle and an end.

The writing is excellent, especially for a fanfic! I hope to see more.

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try to reform the Trio was something the show should have done anyway.

Y'all didn't watch a minute of season 9 did y'all. Stupid comment, stupid unnecessary fixfic.

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ummm dude we did see s9... we just have more functioning brains and can point out stupid , immoral , hypocritical and shitty things that happened.
On sidenote learn to accept other peoples perspesctives. But you probably wont... (syndrome fan)

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I did indeed witness Season 9. How else would I know of it’s details? I quite enjoyed watching the Trio interact with each other, and it felt as if the show was setting them up for a long-form reformation. Instead, they were set-up, and cruelly punished at the behest of the one who brought them together to begin with. I could write an essay on why I dislike the finale, but I have no interest in leaving a giant block of text in this comment section or starting a flame war.

I will say that I am entitled to my opinion, as you are to yours. I quite understand that some fans liked the finale, and good for them. However, telling me my opinion is “stupid” (by which you actually mean me by extension) in such a condescending manner is not an effective arguement for anything. Indeed, belittling people like this runs contrary to the values of MLP, values that I and many others feel the show failed to adhere to in its conclusion.

Finally, I wonder why, if you hate “fix-fics” so much, you’d read a story that plainly presents itself as one. But I suspect this commenter is a troll, so asking for logic might be asking for much.

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Yeah, that’s basically my stance as well.

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please argue and justify your statement because your claim is as vague as possible

Discord looked to him like that was the funniest thing he'd ever said. "Oh yeah, nothing at all. And certainly not your overwhelming daddy issues or feeling like your parents loved your brother more than you. No, no, you have no personal issues to get over whatsoever."

Although it would have been cool to see his brother scorpan and ohhh that's harsh but he's not wrong

Very interesting short story so it looks like the Legion of Doom have been released from the stone prison I wonder if this is during after the coronation or someone in the middle of the last problem in the future? But anyway Fluttershy and Discord tried to reason with them that they can live in a cross draw without any problems and try to accept friendship or at least alliances but something tells me this ain't going to be easy well nothing is ever easy this was a pretty good story keep up the good work

Day Two: The patients are catatonic, foam is coming from their mouth and they are not answering to stimuli

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It didn't seem to me like they were being set up for a reformation. If anything, the closing minutes of "Frenemies" seemed to prove the opposite.

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Oh hello, oblivious lacking sense of morals hypocrite. What's up?

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I guess some fans see it differently. To be fair, there was little indication Grogar was Discord, so as far as I could tell, it was the Trio versus an unsympathetic villain who forced them into his service. The Trio were a lot easier to like, so it wasn’t difficult to take their side over Grogar’s. Perhaps if we knew it was Discord earlier, we would have been less keen on the Trio, but we didn’t know that at the time. So, to me anyways, it felt like the writers set up one story and then delivered on a different one. You can see, I hope, why an audience might find the finale confusing.

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How exactly am I a "hypocrite" for pointing out what happened in that episode?

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It would be irrelevant either way. The trio still hatched their own plan, which ended up causing far more damage than their would-be master had intended for them to do.

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You now exactly why m8 a lot of people in different threads told you why.
There are cases that you clearly stated: "I don't care". This indicates your obesity with immorality to back up your claims of those three as "irredeemable" which are the only ones who managed ON THEIR OWN to figure friendship in the level they managed. They had no help no guidance. They didn't have a Fluttershy or a twilight to suck on their dicks to reform they almost managed on their own.
In every comment you made you only see one side of the spectrum and that side is : "Oh he bad he irredeemable nothing else matters".
A pathetic hypocrite you are. Praising the show for its morals and friendship is powerful yet when it comes to acting on it yall suddenly forget it.
And after its grand failure, you praise it as a success...
I can only imagine the depression that's going on...

(sidenote: it seems the readers here already made their verdict on your shit.)

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Fo real though this guy could kill someone with his mindset(or whatever left).

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"Almost" only counts in horseshoes. They didn't "figure" friendship. They agreed to work together, and fully planned to go their separate ways afterward. And let's not forget that argument they had over the bell at the beginning of "The Ending of the End -Part 2". Doesn't sound like they "figured" friendship to me.

And I don't recall ever saying "I don't care" in response to an argument against my views.

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Yes you did I was on that story thread to.
oh you little lier you :)

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By all means, provide a quote. I wouldn't mind having my memory refreshed.

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"Almost" only counts in horseshoes.
Oh really? so any sign of potential is horseshoes?
Yes they did figure it even admitting "it feels pleasing".

But anyways my goal here is not to change your mind. I comment so the folks in this story wont get fooled by ya. Making sure they are aware of your kind. And by the upvotes/downvotes seems we are in the right park. If RDD demolished your arguments and you just keep in denial then I cant help you really sorry.

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Potential means nothing if it isn't realized. They had the potential to become better, but they didn't live up to it, or even acknowledge it in any meaningful way.

I'm not trying to "fool" anyone. I'm just expressing my opinions.

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Potential means nothing if it isn't realized. They had the potential to become better, but they didn't live up to it, or even acknowledge it in any meaningful way.

Like how Discord showed no potential to be better, got help anyway, regressed and betrayed his new friends, got forgiven, and did what he did in season 9 after which he was once again forgiven as opposed to the trio who never got the same kind of help he got? Frankly, they showed more potential on their own then Discord ever did prior to his reformation and as such, deserved the same second chance that he got.

Oh yes they. But like i said they didn't have the cocksuckers to guide them. The very same cocksuckers that guided others of equal and worse actions.

But again you just gonna repeat the spectrum of : "Oh he bad he irredeemable nothing else matters"
So my work here is done folks here seem to have gotten the idea of your kind.
Sooo Fare-thee-well!

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His potential was realised when he proved he valued his friendship with Fluttershy more than chaos. And what he did in season 9, he did out of a desire to help Twilight gain the confidence to lead.

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And what led up to all of that? actual help from Fluttershy, who tirelessly worked to reform him. Under the same circumstances as the trio, he wouldn't have even gotten as far as they did.

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I’m not talking about the actions the characters took in the show itself; rather, my criticism is focused on the writing behind the actions. My issues are with the thinking behind the character actions, the tropes invoked, and the moral resolutions. It’s my stance that the finale did not meet the expectations I have for the show. I feel disappointed by it, and have the right to feel that way. As an aside, I’ve noticed that a lot of discussion about the finale run similarly to ours, in that the fans who like the finale argue textually, whereas fans who don’t argue meta textually . As a result, a lot of the debaters end up arguing around each other. But your opinions are your opinions, as mine are mine, so there’s not much more to be said about it.


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I agree with your feelings about the finale, but not with how you’re responding to this poster. I understand your opinion is different than his, but that doesn’t mean you should insult him or belittle his intelligence. One of the morals of MLP was that people could disagree and still be friends—or at least friendly. At any rate, talking of the show going against its morality while simultaneously acting against its morality only serves to undermine your own argument.

A debate is alright, but let’s please remember to stay civil.

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I agree with your feelings about the finale, but not with how you’re responding to this poster. I understand your opinion is different than his, but that doesn’t mean you should insult him or belittle his intelligence. One of the morals of MLP was that people could disagree and still be friends—or at least friendly. At any rate, talking of the show going against its morality while simultaneously acting against its morality only serves to undermine your own argument.

A debate is alright, but let’s please remember to stay civil.

If was debating with a receiver/trasmitter and not just a transmitter i would have respect and agreed with you on that.
But there a little bit of history going on here and any chance of a debate is non existentant at this point.
You should check his conversations here : https://www.fimfiction.net/story/475768/wait-this-isnt-over-yet
This will give an understanding on what we are dealing here --> blatant denial and contradiction.
I don't wont to undermine you you are right! But my intention was not a debate nor change the minds of random people. But calling BS when i see them.

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Discord never had anyone who cared about him before. Chrysalis had an entire hive who were obedient and loyal to her, Tirek had a brother who cared deeply for him, while Cozy had the adoration of pretty much the entire School of Friendship. That's why I have my doubts that the approach used for Discord would work on those three - because they already know what it's like to have those who care for them, and it made little difference.

This is better than how the series ended.

I reserve further judgment until/unless you choose to continue this.

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Chrysalis had a bunch of subjects who followed her orders, but weren't exactly her friends, Tirek's brother betrayed him and Cozy's "friends" only befriended a mask and not someone they actually knew. Fluttershy chose to stick with Discord despite knowing who he was, what he was like, what he did and that he was utterly remorseless with it, not to mention that time he betrayed her anyway. You can have your doubts, but you have no proof that what happened to those three was just given past examples and that it wouldn't work.

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Chrysalis' subjects still adored her, and followed her every command, but she saw them as nothing but her mindless servants. Scorpan tried to talk Tirek out of his plan, but Tirek refused, leaving Scorpan no other choice but to go to the Princesses. And Cozy chose to put on a mask, yet the students still showed her genuine friendship anyway.

Discord was deceived by Tirek into thinking he could have something better.

Redemption starts with admitting to one's mistakes. And honestly, I doubt any of those three are capable of that. But by all means, you're welcome to think otherwise.

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Chrysalis's subjects adored her so much that they betrayed her the first chance they got. Still, she clearly cared for them to some extent as evident by her line about feeding them in Canterlot Wedding. We don't know how Scorpan tried to convince Tirek or what went into their plan at that point. To Tirek, his own brother sold him out to the princesses when he could have stayed with him and just leave. As for Cozy, she was given up on as soon as she was revealed. No chances, no attempts to help her, nothing. And the students did not know that was a mask, therefore they though that she was a completely different pony then what she actually was.

Discord let himself think that there could be something better then Friendship despite experiencing it with Fluttershy firsthand.

And I find it funny how Discord was given help long before he admitted to any mistake. In fact, he never seemed to be apologetic or admit to any mistake he made a thousand years ago or after his escape, but your welcome to think otherwise.

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So do you think they should just stay as a statue? I'm just asking not arguing

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The changelings were shown a way to end their eternal hunger, which their Queen could never satisfy. And that was after Chrysalis ranted about how she alone knew what was best for them. Also, she clearly didn't care enough about them to stay and try the new way, for their sakes.

Considering Tirek's intention was to take the magic from everypony in Equestria, Scorpan can hardly be faulted for deciding that wasn't a good thing.

And it was Cozy's fault no-one knew the real her (which, judging by Tirek's comments in "Frenemies" doesn't seem like such a bad thing).

Tirek offered Discord the best of both worlds, in the form of a "friend" who would let him spread his chaos as much as he liked.

Discord never had anyone. None of the trio can say the same. But that's just my opinion.

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Chrysalis was a traditionalist who thought she knew what was best for them. That does not prove that she never cared for them otherwise she would only care about ruling them, which clearly wasn't the case since she turned down Starlight's offer.

Scorpan seemed to have no trouble following Tirek to that point. No, he can't be faulted for not wanting Equestria to fall, but to Tirek, it's understandable why he saw that as a betrayal. Maybe Scorpan was a bad at conversations or didn't try hard enough. Either way, he seemed to have no issues with leaving Tirek in a cage for thousands of years so maybe he didn't love him as much as one would think.

It was Cozy's fault that no one knew her, but that doesn't change the fact that no one did know her and as such, she never experienced true friendship firsthand and its most certainly not a reason to not give her a chance when beings like Discord were given multiple.

Discord, after all that bonding with Fluttershy, still chose this person he just met and promised him a fun time over her. What a swell fellow.

Everyone that the trio had was either fake or betrayed them. Therefore they were in much the same level as Discord was prior to him receiving the second chance that they never got.

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Chrysalis abandoning the changelings without a second thought supports that theory well.

Tirek was about to do something terrible. Like I said, Scorpan was left with no choice. You honestly think he didn't regret how things turned out?

Even if Cozy was being a false friend, the others weren't.

Discord hadn't "just met" Tirek. Tirek showed familirarity with him.

No-one pretended to be Discord's friend by the time of KCAFO, nor did they betray him. So again, the situations aren't the same.

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Chrysalis didn't so much abandon her changelings as she ran away from an unwinnable battle. If she actually abandoned them, she wouldn't be calling herself their queen anymore as she would not be associating herself with them anymore.

Considering that again, Scorpan was willing to let him suffer in an empty metal cage alone for a thousand years, It's entirely possible that he did not care all that much in the first place.

While the others thought they were being true friends to Cozy, she probably knew or assumed that would end upon her reveal, which proved to be the case. No one tried to convince her afterwards.

Chrysalis showed familiarity with Discord. Literally almost everyone knew who he was.

And yes, Discord had a true friend who knew whew who he was and everything, therefore he was better off then the trio in terms of chances.

Okay this story is too short, it needs more, like a bit of the trio opening up about themselves until we can say this is good start of redemption. And then I guess end the book, cause right now there’s no middle or end in this story. I’m gonna give the story a like cause it has a great start to it but pls at least add more to this until there’s a better spot that you can say the end to.

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Chrysalis only kept calling herself a "Queen" to satisfy her ego. She even demanded that Tirek and Cozy make her the "Queen" of their group.

You're still acting like Scorpan is the bad guy for doing the right thing.

Cozy's big plan revolved around her ultimately becoming "Empress of Friendship", with all the friendship in Equestria just for her. Letting the truth get out would be counterproductive to that.

They all started out with more than Discord. That just gave them a deeper descent into villainy.

While seeing a fic like this is always a bright spot in my day, I can't help but think - what about Sombra?

Nice to see a reformation story with Fluttershy for a change. Dialogue is a little flat, but everyone feels confidently in character at least for the time when the final was written. Glad I got to read this, even if it was a little short. I would proberbly read a sequel if you wrote one.

Cozy folded her forehooves and looked to her with another raised eyebrow. "Chrysalis... the forces of darkness have been trying for thousands of years. And look around, does it look like they even made a dent?"

On that note, there could be more stories where the villain crew calls out the "heroes" for being hypocritical cunts, and elect to take a third path of withdrawing from Equestria entirely, rather than submitting to a irreperably broken idea of "good" or continuing to be vanquished in a pointless struggle against it.

I'm sure Discord didn't mean to offend you.

Fluttershy, don't take this the wrong way, but you're an idiot.
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Well, I can see you're taking that in, so I'll leave you to it.

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Chrysalis kept calling herself queen because she still thought of herself as one. Having an ego didn't change that and in no way contradicts my previous statement about her.

I never said that Scorpan was the bad guy, only that he may have messed up in his approach to convincing Tirek to stop and being willing to leave his own brother in Tartarus.

And yes, Cozy had an evil plan. Of course she wasn't gonna let the mask fall. What I'm talking about is that she never had any real friends, therefore never experienced true friendship in the school and that no one tried to help or talk her down once the mask inevitably fell.

And no, they didn't. If anything, they had less. Discord had powers that effectively let him do whatever he wanted, yet he chose to use it to cause misery to others. If anything, Discord had more then the trio ever did combined. Yet, they weren't given a second chance when he was given multiple.

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Chrysalis essentially abdicated her throne when she fled the hive. That forfeited any right she had to call herself the changelings' Queen.

It's not Scorpan's fault Tirek refused to listen. His obsession with taking the ponies magic made him reject any attempt to reason with him. And it was the Princesses who trapped Tirek in Tartarus. Scorpan would have to follow with their ideas of justice, especially after what he almost helped Tirek do.

Cozy chose to forge false friendships. And Twilight tried to talk things out with her, asking her why she did it, and trying to tell her the true reasons for making friends. Cozy refused to listen, then attempted to run out on her.

I'm not talking about in terms of power, but in having others around them. Discord is the only Draconequus around. He had no family, or peers, for all those centuries.

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And they REJECTED IT. They went down swinging, defiant and evil until the bitter end.

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Then you watched them utterly reject even the concept of friendship and remain committed to violence and evil. They are absolutely irredeemable and are portrayed as such in every episode they appear.
I'm so fucking tired of unnecessary fix fics written by the braindead to correct issues that were never present and upvoted by fucking chimps.

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