The first thing I feel upon waking up on my cot is that I no longer feel the iron taste of blood in my mouth. When Rainbow Dash bucked me in the face, I must have cut the insides of my mouth. It honestly was getting tiresome spitting out blood every few minutes. You think out of all the wounds they healed up when they brought me back to Equestria, they would have fixed my mouth and teeth. Then again, these are the ponies who also clipped my wings and have me trapped in a prison cell with nothing but a cot and a toilet. I can recall when I took Celestia's pet phoenix to my home to try and heal her from her illness, not knowing she was just going through the regular life cycle of her species. Twilight panicked when she found out and was worried I would end up in Canterlot's dungeons for doing so. Funny how, years later, that came true but in a different way.
I'm a prisoner because I did the right thing. Fifteen years ago, Celestia told my friends and me that there was a world of creatures known as humans who needed guidance in the ways of friendship and harmony. With Twilight having solved Starswirl's Theory of Dimensional Travel, it was our duty to help spread our means of peace and love to stop them from hurting each other. I won't lie and say that I was very reluctant to go. Going to a different reality was scary, and the humans were terrifying as well. Celestia warned us of their past brutal ways, which made many of our past villains seem like chipmunks compared to humanity. Still, the others were convinced we had to help them, and so I agreed. All that has happened, the war, the deaths, the suffering that both sides are going through? This is all because of me and my friends bringing our world to this one. The powers of Harmony themselves have brought chaos to this realm, and nothing like the chaos that Discord had done.
Sometimes I wish I just said "No" all those years ago like I wanted to. But I trusted Celestia, and I trusted my friends. I should have trusted my gut.
During my time here, I got to know much about humanity, especially on Twilight's tour worldwide in promoting friendship based on the lessons we learned back home. As Discord often put it, they were a race that was such an enigma that you couldn't properly judge them. One moment they were kind, charitable, strong, and wise. The next they were cowardly, cruel, hateful, and stubborn. Did I not like aspects of humanity? Yes, but ever since I joined their side in the war, I have found a race with such a strong spirit that it overwhelmed whatever fears I had of them. I saw courage and dedication. Unity and togetherness. Love and sacrifice. Ironically, Celestia's beliefs of the worst of humanity and causing this war have caused mankind to become united and show the best of themselves.
The trap door for my food opens up as the guard announces that breakfast is served. It's stew again, but they added some extra eggs to it, which makes me suspicious. I've been here for less than a week, and all they've done is keep me trapped here and isolated from the rest of the world. By now, Lyra and the others have to know that I'm missing. Or maybe they assume I'm dead. None of us were expecting a surprise attack at the refugee center near what was once known as Rome, Italy.
My heart wept when I learned what had happened to the city, including the Vatican. I hadn't been a Catholic for long, but I, like so many others, wept for losing the Pope, the Cardinals, and all the innocent lives in Rome. Martin promised me that one day we would see St. Peter's Basilica when the war was over. Now all that remained was a single burned cross. It wasn't long after that when we learned that Mecca was destroyed as well. The holiest city in Islam was rubble, along with millions of worshipers and people.
The Crystal Cannon.
I had never thought Cadence would ever use such a weapon in the war, but I guess Shining Armor's death really affected her that badly. It was really only thanks to Discord that it was sabotaged for the time being.
"Discord..." I whispered, tears glittering down my cheek as I thought of my best friend, my most loyal and faithful friend. He stuck by me throughout all of this madness. He was the one who had risked his life to protect me when I betrayed Equestria and sided with the Resistance. He fought for humanity beside me even though he didn't need to. He risked his life to sabotage the Crystal Canon despite Cadence and Twilight nearly killing him.
And now he was dead, and it was all my fault.
I can still see Celestia's final blast that goes straight through his heart as he does what he can in his weakened state to protect the refugees and me. I sob, holding his dead body as Martin screams for me to run. I turn my head, and I see Rainbow Dash, eyes with rage, buck me so hard I lose consciousness. I didn't think I would be waking up at all since I was pretty much declared to be killed on sight for my treason. Nor did I expect to not be still alive a week later. We hear that the traitors in Equestria are publicly hanged as crowds curse them and condem them to Tartarus for the crime of daring to go up against the rules of their precious goddesses.
Yet, I am still alive and breathing. I didn't know why and I am afraid to find out.
The door opens, and I look up before turning away in disgust. Celestia, her mighty highness, walks in with the same grace she always has but with a pure stoic expression that fails to hide the contempt she has for me. I just glare right back at her with the same energy while her two guards stand by her side.
"So, finally set my execution date?" I asked, mentally going over prayers in my head.
"Were the situation not so serious, I would gladly have your execution right in front of all of Equestria for your treason, Fluttershy," Celestia said with a heavy sigh. "It disappoints me that you choose to side with humanity rather than your own kind."
"The only one who has been disappointed at all is me, Celestia," I answer back with a snort. "When I was a filly, I used to go to the Church of Harmony where there was a special foal's club after the mass where we learned about how to be kind and nice to ponies just like you. How you preached that we needed to always treat each other with respect even if we were different. Was all that just hogwash to make you seem more like a goddess to your ego, or was there a time you really believed in what you preach?"
"You will address her as Princess Celestia," one of the guards growled. "The Goddess of the Sun."
"She is no goddess, and even if she was, she is not one I worship anymore. There is only one God and his son that I have given my faith to, and they are much kinder and loving than she will ever be," I answer before standing up tall. "Nor do I recognize you as my princess. You are nothing but a bully and a murderer. So quit the speech and either hang me or get out of my room. I'd like to have breakfast."
"...Leave us," Celestia ordered, to which the guards obeyed. Once they were gone, she noted, "You've gotten quite braver since I last saw you."
"War changes us," I state before walking over to my cot and sitting down. "I'm not scared of you anymore. Not when I know that you won't last much longer."
"What makes you say that?" Celestia asked, narrowing her eyes.
I smirk. "Your guards have big mouths. I know what you and Twilight are planning. If you think that turning Equestria into some kind of fortress to prevent the invasion humanity will bring will keep you safe, you have another thing coming. You have no idea what awaits you all. I actually do pity you and I will pray for the lives lost, but this is all on you and your attempts at genocide."
"I was trying to save them," Celestia scoffed as she shook her head. "You think I wanted this? I wanted them to come to me and convert into becoming ponies of their own free will. To change them from their greedy and sinful nature into being something better. I was protecting them and Equestria with the Conversion potion. You think I like seeing my subjects have to fight a war and die to protect us? My own family? I have lost Shining Armor, Cadence, Flurry Heart, and... my sister."
Celestia closes her eyes and sheds tears that make me look down in sorrow. She then wipes them away and hisses at me. "Did you mourn for any of them? Did you not see how they died? Shining's head burst open by a single bullet. My sister ripped to shreds to the point I had to spend weeks preparing her body for a proper viewing service. Cadence and Flurry, along with millions of others, vaporized or suffered to die under painful conditions. Did you not weep for them? Those who were like family to you?!"
"I did," I answered, closing my eyes. "I wept for them when I heard of their deaths. I prayed to their souls to find peace, just as I do with every lost life in this war." Opening them, I glare back at Celestia. "Now, here is my question. Have you wept for those who died because of you? The innocent people who have melted under the power of the barrier's magic as their organs burned and bones were evaporated? The hundreds of thousands from dozens of nations who lost their lives fleeing from it? Did you shed any tears for the citizens killed in your various attacks on the major cities? How about a sob for the parents who have to bury their children and babies or vice versa? Did you even think of how a sister feels when they find that their brother has turned into something against his will and rejects his sister because she is a, and I quote, a disgusting human being?" I jump off my bed as I march over to the stoic alicorn. "Let us not forget what you have done to Rome and Mecca. Don't you dare play the accusation game with the Crystal Empire when you practically nuked it first, you hypocrite. I ask you this, Celestia, have you once ever mourn for all the tragedies that have happened in this war that you started?"
The two of us stared into each other's eyes with conviction. I knew she would never admit it, but deep down, Celestia never once cried for humanity. She loved Equestria and her subjects, but that love has been twisted into a state of fear and paranoia. And now everything I once treasured in my home is lost or will be lost soon. Humanity would not stop until they have completely submitted Equestria to their will and ensure their species' safety from annihilation.
Sighing, Celestia shakes her head before asking, "I assume you wish to know why you are still alive?"
"I have been wondering," I asked.
"You are right about one thing," Celestia mutters. "The invasion is coming. While I have faith in my subjects, I wish to leave nothing to chance. With only me and Twilight left as the ruling bodies of Equestria, it is up to us to defend our home, and we have found a way to do so."
"And that is?" I asked.
"A new barrier. One that is stronger and will protect us. It will shield Equestria from the outside world so long as it holds, and humanity will not be able to enter," Celestia explained as I raise my eyebrow.
"You realize the Thalmann Generators will just tear it to shreds as it did with the last barrier, right?" I point out.
"Yes, but there is a power source we can use that we believe can withstand the power of these...anti-magic generators," Celestia says with a curse under her breath. "The Elements of Harmony." My eyes widen. "It is Equestria's most powerful magic and the one weapon we have not yet tried. Twilight believes if we use the Elements' power, we can protect Equestria until we come up with a plan to move forward. It will not be like the last barrier, where it will constantly expand beyond our borders, but it will at least protect us."
"...and since you need all six bearers of the Elements alive to do this, that is why you captured me, right?" I asked in realization. I stared at Celestia in silence for a long time.
And then I laughed.
I laughed so hard I nearly fell off my hooves.
Celestia wasn't amused, but I didn't care because it was the funniest thing I had heard in years. I almost wet myself from the amusement and sheer ridiculousness of what I was hearing. I thought, at that moment, the crown had finally squeezed out what little sanity Celestia had in her head.
Eventually, I calmed down before I turned to Celestia and pointed out the obvious. "You expect me to help you? Me? The one who turned my back against my friends? The one who sacrificed my friendship with those I once called sisters in my heart. After all the adventures, trials, and lessons we learned that I left behind in the end? Do you think there is any harmony between us anymore?" I snorted. "I know for a fact that Rainbow Dash alone hates me for what I've done. Applejack most likely does since she's of a similar mindset. No doubt Twilight hates me too, since she's pretty much always following your example. I don't know about Pinkie Pie or Rarity, but regardless there is no more friendship between us. They hate me."
"But do you hate them?" Celestia asked, which made me hold my breath.
I didn't dare answer her. Not when, deep down, I didn't hate any of my friends. Was I disappointed in them? Yes. Did I wish they could open their eyes? Yes. Did I wish I could just go back to being a shy mare in the woods and get dragged along in adventures to save the day again? I would do so in a heartbeat. But would I want to hurt, kill, or see my friends suffer? No, never. For all the war has done to break our bond, I will never hate my friends even if they hated me.
Flying along with Rainbow Dash in the sky as I cheer her on for support in her aerial performances.
Helping Applejack feed the critters on her farm with warm apple pie waiting for us when we're done.
Partying with Pinkie Pie for whatever random reason as we giggle and dance to polka music.
Going to the spa with Rarity as we get our hooves and hair done while chatting about our lives together.
Spending time with Twilight in her library while reading books about the various creatures of legend in Equestria, both cute and scary.
I missed those times. I longed for those times. Those five mares who I shared a bond with ever since Rainbow Dash did the Sonic Rainboom that united under the powers of destiny itself. That was something you just never forgot nor let go of so quickly. It was something I long accepted that was inevitable when I left Equestria. That despite fighting my friends, I would always see them as my friends to the end. No, if I hated anyone in this world, it was the pony inside this prison cell with me. This witch caused all this by lying and manipulating us all. This monster in pony flesh who, even after all she lost, is willing to do anything to take down a race she hates for reasons I still cannot fathom. This murderer who killed one of my best friends in the world.
And I will NEVER forgive her for that.
"Twilight believes she's found a way to get around that factor," Celestia answered with a warm smile. "She always does achieve so much when she puts her mind to something. Even if it's something you personally think is impossible."
"And she deserves a better mentor than you," I said, growling. "Hay, Nightmare Moon would have been a bet-"
Celestia's magic wraps around my throat before pressing me against the wall. Her eyes glow white with rage, and I feel genuine fear for the first time in our conversation as the room gets hotter around. Flames dance around her luscious rainbow mane as she speaks softy, yet with demi-god power behind it. "Do not dare speak of my sister in such a way. I may need you alive, but that doesn't mean I don't have to keep you undamaged. Say anything about Luna like that, and I will rip your wings out, cripple your eyes, and pluck out your eyeballs for the crows to feed. My sister's death is on the hooves of you traitors and your human allies, and I will see you pay for that one way or another."
She lets go, and I gasp for breath while she backs away from me, still glaring yet with less intensity. "Regardless of the nature of your relationship with your fellow Elements, the only thing we need from you is to activate yours, and we will do the rest. Do this, and I will give you life in prison instead of having you executed. And don't even think about hoping for a rescue. You're in Canterlot under maximum security, and, with Discord dead, the Resistance has no means to teleport back to Equestria to save you."
"If you think I'll betray my friends and humanity for you, then you're wrong," I answered, shaking my head. I try not to think of Angel Bunny, who is no doubt angry and worried about me. Nor of Martin, who has won my heart in the years since we first met. I also know that my comrades, like Lyra, Flash Sentry, and Derpy, are trying to figure out a way to save me, but I don't think there is a chance they will achieve anything in time. "I'm not afraid to die, Celestia. I've been prepared for this ever since I left Equestria all those years ago. Nor will I help you in your efforts to avoid justice for your crimes."
"Perhaps your friends will change your mind instead of me," Celestia said as she got up and walked towards the door, which opened up. "They'll be here one my one to convince you. I suggest you listen to them and think of your next actions closely. Because if I have to resort to drastic measures to get you to cooperate, Fluttershy, I will do it."
The door closes, and I sigh heavily before going for my cold stew.
***
About an hour passes, and I just spend that time meditating in prayer or using the toilet to relieve myself. My thoughts are interrupted when my door opens again, and I see the first one to come and try to convince me to take up my old Element one more time. I'm not surprised to see who it is since I figured she would be the first to talk to me. She is the oldest friend I have ever had in my life, and in many ways, I consider her my sister. She defended me from when I was very little and shyer than usual. Yet, she never gave up on me and helped me find my courage over the years.
I admired her so much that I wished I could be like her almost every day. There was no more loyal or determined friend than her, nor will there ever will be. Yet, whatever bond and love we shared was shattered when I told her I was leaving Equestria. The pain in her eyes haunts me even to this day, and the guilt of breaking that friendship was a wound that never festered.
I calmly got up, took a deep breath, and spoke to her. "Hello, Rainbow Dash."
i hope the elements backfire if they try make fluttershy activate them and turn all the ponies in the barrier into humans
So. Its a series. Not a oneshot. I think I will wait until the chapter when it all backfires.
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I'm predicting giant explosion, but I like the ironic punishment idea.
Another nice one would be Celestia getting stripped of her alicornhood. Bonus points if it happens publicly.
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the new ruler of the ponies fluttershy the kind and harmonius anyone?
Yep, I expected SunTyrant to try and blame Flutters, her allies and humans for Luna's death. Which was because of the War that she started, because of her plan to convert failed, due to leaving old world to die, due to not telling anyone about it. If Flutters and her allies hooves are soaked in Lunas blood, then Celestia must be drowning in a bottom of an grand ocean of blood and corpses of countless innocent victims dead because of her. Before and after the dimension hop...
And now we wait for the next-button...
Will Humanity still win?
Celestia's fighting a losing battle, she just doesn't know it yet...
10742780 My thoughts exactly.
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of course they will win, what a chance a nation / kingdom has against numbers, technology and dedication when all peoples unite in the face of extinction in the art of war.
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Or spirit of Harmony itself rants about the ponies being monsters and tearing celestia a new
You had my curiosity...
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but now you have my attention.
Hook, Line, and Sinker.
You have reeled me in, let's see what you may come up with...
(But srly good first chapter buddy!)
Hmm, I wonder what'll happen with Pinkie Pie and Rarity. Twilight, Rainbow Dash, and Applejack would probably try to resort to threats or force if they have to, but being Laughter and Generosity, I feel like they are utterly incapable to do anything themselves
So many possibilities, with through magic or time its going to be interesting on how events will now unfold. Though for my two bits, I predict that as each of the ponies Celestia sends in to try and convince Fluttershy to help them, instead have their own conviction challenged. Each bit of the lies and falsehoods they've built around themselves slowly strip away. its going to be another fun ride!
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Fuck turning them into humans, burst them all into flames ala War of the Worlds and let whatever eldritch abomination out there enslave their souls.
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Turning them into humans seems like the best way this war can end.
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or have them loose the very thing they think makes them superier. Magic
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Jokes on them, humans are the eldritch abomination and someone just figured out some clever way to power weapons with pony souls.
In an ironic twist, all of humanity uniting to defeat one who would eliminate their existence has probably caused humanity to grow closer to harmony then they ever would have without this war.
Damn, here I thought Fluttershy wasn't the type of shy mare on having the balls to struck a nerve on anyone or any pony. Point goes for Fluttershy and bonus point for the mentor part of Nightmare Moon becoming a better mentor. As for the soon-to-be former sun goddess & former leader of Equestria, a big whopping flat zero.
I mean while I understand fluttershys hatred of celestia, not supporting a barrier that will protect pony kind from the destruction caused by a human invasion is kind of extreme. Like I can understand this is war and all but a lot of the ponies were a victim of celestia herself. Even fluttershy states that
even fluttershy acknowledges that ponies and etc were victims of celestia because of celestias manipulation. And besides as stated earlier the new barrier would be used for protective purposes instead of invasive ones in the beginning.
And yes you can counter vvhat im saying that celestia wants to expand that barrier later, that even if it was used for protective purposes celestia might just decide to do a war of attrition
But the thing is fluttershy can just tell celestia, every equestrian military/political figures to resign from their goverment positions and become prisoners of human kind and only then will fluttershy will activate the barrier. By getting rid of the head of gov, and the other important figures it will ensure that equestrias war effort becomes crippled to the point that their desire and ability to do a war of attrition would be minimized severely. And besides If celestia does love pony kind then certainly she would do everything to save equestria.
Also forgive me for this religious rant, but I will assume you are talking about the christain god here and uh does fluttershy even know what shes saying. No offense but the old testament god was willing to commit genocide, destruction of entire civilizations, slavery, and even tolerated a bunch of possible children to be mauled by bears because they called a prophet bald. Like she might be worshipping the jesus and to be fair new testament jesus was a lot nicer compared to the old testament god, but still jesus himself is an extension of that old testament god and he never denied that connection. Like if I was celestia I would point out the flaws of fluttershy argument here by pointing out the old testament gods atrocties. Not only that point out that the god fluttershy is worshiping is technically more evil than celestia because while celestia genocides people she only ends there, god in the other hand is willing to send sinful humans(including nonbelievers) to burn in hell for a literal long time until their soul stops existing. Which one is more evil?
And not only that that same christain god literally has the same mindset that celestia has, humans are evil therefore if they remain evil they must be destroyed and or punished and the only way to make them good is to purify and change them into something else(god turns people into angels in heaven, and celestia turns them into new foals) (tho new foals are a way worse fate imo)
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Race traitor! We will have you hung!
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Jezz. Whenever christian religous notions are mentioned people always go on the attack. Why is this?
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I mean its because fluttershys religious comment doesnt really make sense. Like I apologize to the author if i offended him for typing that but I just didnt really agree vvith fluttershys religious comment. (though maybe he made fluttershy that vvay on purpose idk)
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Well that's okay if you don't agree. Religion is in the eye of the worshiper. Obviously Fluttershy doesn't read from the Old Testament.
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Maybe because it's always about how the Christian God is portrayed as so much better than Celestia, when in reality if he DID exist he'd probably see all ponies as abominations that needed to be wiped from existence?
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Huh. You know that actually makes sense. That being said, damn quadrupeds. Gods wrath shall come.
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That's true for most major religions not just Christians, which by this stand point in Negotiations canon have united and killed a false god, and in this story they are not wrong to think that.
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I mean even in the context of the new testament it doesnt make sense. Like it was jesus christ after all that introduced the concept of hell. And the thing is one of fluttershys main criticism with celestia is that celestias willing to convert ponies into new foals through any means nescarry . The thing is though one of the main incentives that christanity uses to convert people is the fear of eternal damnation in hell. So in a nutshell fluttershy criticizes celestia for being an evil bitch that is willing to wage war and genocide to convert people and yet shes willing to believe in a god thats willing to use the threat of eternal torture to convert people into believing in him.
If she thinks celestia is a monster for her coercion why wouldnt she view the same for god? After all with celestia the pains of war and genocide ends in a mortal lifespan but with god the torture is a non stop contitutiation that lasts way way longer than a regular mortal life span.
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Yes. The long standing Sci-Fi/Fantasy plot point. The only way humanity will ever unite, is if we meet another species we can kill for their differences instead.
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This isn't the place to debate the religious.
For you maybe. Not for me.
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As god intended Ba-dum tiss
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fair enough
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That's one way to look at it and its equally true for any intelligent creature not just humans. Heck it true for the MLP canon as well. The ponies are just as guilty in this respect as any human. Differences breeds conflict, which give us the story.
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Difference is the main cause of... ... Uh... Fucking everything. People have been killing themselves forever just because they were, "different."
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Yeah, its as I said, difference breeds conflict.
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https://www.gotquestions.org/Canaanites-extermination.html
No, He never did deny that connection. Yes, He is part of a Holy Trinity that forms one God. But Jesus has never changed; God is always angry with evil, which is why He had to die for it since we could not pay that debt, ever. And no, I don't believe that He would order the destruction of another sapient species.
Not true, not in the way you mean it. Yes, we are to be changed, by repenting of evil. Yes, those who believe will be forever changed, with resurrection bodies that never wear out and with an eternity with a wonderful Creator who loves us beyond measure. But the idea that we will be turned into some kind of human newfoals is ridiculous. Our sins will be stripped away, but we will maintain our characters and personalities, as well (as far as I am aware) our talents.
If you want a Christian perspective on these things, there are plenty of Christian YouTube channels, such as Cross Examined, THE BEAT by Allen Parr, and Testify that discuss these and other issues that you and others have brought up here. In addition, there are plenty of websites, such as Gotquestions.org, that answer these kinds of questions.
Not to mention that, story-wise, Fluttershy has the right to believe in Catholicism. Any author on this site can say what they want about faith; there are Christians, there are atheists, there are believers in other faiths, and there are agnostics (people who are on the fence about faith), all of whom write their own opinions on this issue. Free speech is a two-way street. I have my doubts that Rated Ponystar is a Christian, but he's decided, for whatever reason, to put Fluttershy in as a Catholic, as is his right as a fan fiction author.
Oh. This series.
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While I respect your view points, and agree with them. I'll say it again.
It's better for your health if you don't.
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Ok so i looked at your source and the first argument is literally god knows that hes right, the human mind is so limited, therefore we cant judge god because humans dont know better. (which is incredibly dangerous logic because its literally saying trust god no matter what and dont listen to your resonable doubts, even when it looks like god is doing something clearly bad) (additionally if we cant tell if god is bad due to our limited minds then how can that same limited mind know god is good either)(and before you say god says so well then how can we tell god is telling the truth and isnt lying when after all you claim we just have limited human minds). Also this is literally why ponies follow celestia because ponies believe celestia is their wise and old ruler who clearly knows better so therefore ponies should listen and obey celestia
The second argument is literally part of celestias justification to get rid of humanity aka to prevent future evils done by humanity, by getting rid of humanity first
the third paragraph is literally justifying infant genocide because the author believes that these children are not innocent at all and would have grown to be evil, therefore killing them was okay. That literal same logic is what celestia uses when saying humans are naturally evil therefore they have to be removed.
VVhile vve dont knovv if he vvould order the complete destruction of another sapient species, We do know he ordered for the destruction of large portions of his favored sapient species ,humanity simply because he considered large portions of that speciesi to have become too irredemable and too evil . For example look at noahs flood and revelations
can humans sin in heaven and if they cant why cant they.
Also the negative aspects or the sinful aspects are part of our characters, by cutting that portion of humanity you are cutting a decent part of a persons character and while the good part still remains
thats the thing only the good part of the character remains but the bad parts that made a person a nuanced person is fully gone.
Also in my argument i stated i considered the christain humans becoming something else to be way less bad than the new foals but i still noticed the parrallel
also from your source this is literally simmilart to celestias logic of let us exterminate humanity because they are clearly going to be a threat in the future.
also yeah the author has the right to make fluttershy a catholic but me as a reader also has the right to respond and criticize to that idea. And like you said freedom of speech is a two way route, and just like he has the right to make fluttershy a catholic character and send whatever message through that i also have the freedom to respond and or criticize such message or opinion
also yeah this place isnt for religious debate so if you vvant to pm chat this then okay
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All getting the barrier back would do is allow Equestria to go back on the offensive at worst, or turn the war into a stalemate at best. Either way just results in the war being drawn out and likely more people would die than if the barrier stayed down and the invasion took place.
Celestia WILL NOT SURRENDER. This is something made blatantly obvious throughout the fics. It took her exhausting herself into a coma to allow Twilight to surrender. And she'd been executing anyone that brought it up before.
Fluttershy is aware of this, so no, she's not going to be willing to help put the barrier back up. And besides, what good would allowing the barrier up after a surrender anyway? The resistance was bad enough in canon, but this would basically cut off all of Equestria from the rest of the world, stewing in their resentment and being radicalized by the hardcore Sunbutt loyalists since the barrier would prevent any attempts to reconcile and forge the actual peace that eventually came in the original fics.
And that's assuming seeing the barrier going back up after a supposed surrender isn't seen as evidence the surrender was fake, and thus the humans blast it back down and just carpet bomb them with nukes rather than risk being fooled again.
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first regarding the vvar of attrition, in the hypotethical that celestia accepts the offer that i proposed fluttershy to make vvhat exactly are the ponies going to do at this point. Their greatest assests that could have threatened humanity are gone (luna, armor dead and in the scenario if celestia and candance surrenders) their great magical abilities have been nullified, and their forces are losing at this point. VVIthout these advantages equestria is best a barely industrial society of colorful horses fighting against nations that are literally in the modern age. Tbh even if the vvar continued vvhat are the equines going to do exactly? Are they going to throvv more pegasi and those pegasi die as badly as spitfire and her unit did. Are they going to throvv slovv ass airships that have the technological level of vvvv1. Its not going to be even a vvar of attrition because a vvar of attrition requires both sides to have equal capibilties but at this point equestria is fucked. So for me even if equestria throvvs forces outside its not gonna even be a vvar because those forces are immeditely going to be destroyed. At best equestria is going to be a blockaded isolated country.
Also in regards to the freedom fighters they formed vvhile yes from the propaganda of the celestia regime they also formed in response to their country beiing occupied and destroyed by foriegn invaders. A non destroyed and more secured equestria is going to have less incentive for radicalization and i vvonder hovv long equines vvould vvant to continue the vvar in the scenario that the goddesses are captured(the fluttershy thing i proposed earlir), any force they send out are immeditely destroyed, and also meanvvhile there exists the fact they can just sit back and do nothing because they are secured in a barrier.
and before you mention military generals and politictions i mentioned in the earlier barrier post that not only do i think fluttershy should have asked for celestia to surrender but she should ask for the entire military and political chain to surrender to humanity and make themselves human prisoners. And by doing this you pretty much get rid of the political and military elite that vvas responsible for the vvar and propaganda effort leaving only ponies from the lovver chain that celestia didnt trust because they might have only pretended to be zealots
Novv for your other claim its Because it looks like celestia has become desperate
Yes they executed previous deserters and surrenders before but theyve reached the point that instead of executing fluttershy, celestia has become desperate to require fluttershys help.
And the vvhole im going to be extreme enough to the point that it requires me to be in a coma to surrender, that incident hasnt happened yet. From the readers perspective vve knovv celestia is vvilling to take things that far but since the incident didnt happen yet during the story fluttershy doesnt knovv the extent that celestias vvilling to go
Though you can point out that yes previous incidents have given fluttershy some perspective but vvouldnt someone be vvilling to do everything to save their country
Hovvever theres another angle and that fluttershy can give the offer so to finally and utterly insult and destroy celestias character. You are absolutely right that fluttershy probably assumes celestia isnt vvilling to surrender but by knovving that celestias not vvilling to surrender,fluttershy can use that to insult celestias character. Celestia built herself up as this godess thats vvilling to do everything for her people. The thing is tho if she clearly vvas such the person she claimed to be then she vvouldnt hestitate to take fluttershy offer. But vve all knovv this version of celestia is a dirty liar. So vvhat better vvay for fluttershy to vvin than to utterly destroy celestias character by offering celestia the choice and knovving celestia vvill pick no, for if celestia picks no then thats just indirectly celestia admitting that all that propaganda she built up for herself is a lie.
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You know when I saw all the dislikes. I was perparing for some creepy racist crap. But...no...I really agree. I mean you even acknowledge that Celestia could use the barrier. Inspite of the good it can do.
And thank you for point out the old testament. Do people not read? Like having a whole species die. Let alone innocents. That exist.
So really the options are ponys go bye bye or humans go bye bye?
No recounciling.
Personally not...suprised that someone wrote a Fluttershy christian stuff. But...?
You went from one god too another without a spit-take. No well. If god exists...why are we being murdered...by magic racist ponies? Or if God does is exist? Are we doing such evils? No?
No...
No critical thought on your part their butter-butt? Uh? Weird...
Further...the narrative of a christian flutters. Could be interesting. But like if God...IS...all knowing...why is this being allowed? Seriously? What narrative is that?
Ironically this happened earlier. Like 25 people disliked a comment. On another fic. That literally was...FINE. So...heres a like. Becauese you did not say anything. Bad or un-true. Nor did you speak magnanmously?
How do you spell that word. Magnimously? You did not speak with arrogant. Just like heres a thing. It exists.
Damn, here I thought this was gonna be a one-shot. Ah, well...
How often will you get those chapters out? And side note: What of Path of the Tyrant/the rest of the planned past Assassinverse?
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I plan on updating once a week if possible. As for the Tyrant stuff I haven't had a chance to sit down and do that. Maybe after Easter
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Alright, let me just call this quickly to an end before this gets too far into a religious debate which wasn't my intention. Yes, I have made Fluttershy a Catholic because I myself am a Catholic and is the faith I know best to represent rather then a faith I do not know that well. If people are curious as to why Fluttershy became a Catholic its due to meeting Dr. Martin, her future husband, and was won over by the teachings of Jesus Christ which she felt a connection to.
As I have written before in previous stories and blogs, ponies did join human faiths, or became atheist, after Equestrians surrendered and it was revealed that Celestia's abandoned their old world which made everyone realize that she and the other alicorns were not gods thus destroying their faith and culture as they knew it. Of the religious beliefs that I have written for the characters, Fluttershy has become a Catholic, Lyra became a Buddhist, Twilight is and always has been an Atheist, and Spike is generally Agnostic. I feel there is nothing wrong with the characters becoming part of human faiths and beliefs. That being said, I'm written the series as best as I can to not make it seem that one faith is correct over the other, mainly because I want readers to come to their own conclusions on that based on what they feel and desire. This AU might break that mold a bit since the religious aspect was touched upon.
Regarding the criticism of Christianity and religion in general and comparing it to what Celestia is doing, people have a right to state that. They have a right to discuss such things or believe such things. I certainly have heard many criticisms about my faith ever since I was a kid. However, I don't want this story to be flood with comments about who is right or wrong regardless of your stance. Which is why I ask such discussions be done in private messages or elsewhere. Not because I am trying to side with one or another, but because I'd rather the comments be about the story itself rather then a religious debate.
As a Catholic myself, I disagree with some of the comments that have been said, but I am not looking to debate or to argue or criticize other people's comments or beliefs. I just don't want things to go out of hand due to personal experience of that happening in other stories I've written. Which is why I respectfully ask that such a discussion be put on hold for the sake of not angering anyone if possible. Once again, I am not trying to put one side or the other, I would be doing this regardless of the situation.
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Your cool a dude! Well said! +40 Respect
I should mention. I just enjoy the comments section. I have not read your story. More so...I enjoy writing and just sharing opinion and feelings. Having fun little convos. I tend really not read much these days.
I tend too not like too comment strictly on the marit of a given story. Since I probably will not read. And that would be wrong. But!
Opinions on other peoples opinions. And the way they frame a dialogue. Or bits of philosophy...worldbuilding...cool!
Cheers!
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Ok, I apologize for any pain I may have caused you in my reply, sir.
And another one to draw me in like a moth to the flame. Good work, sir.
However, the premise made me wonder how mad Discord was going to be when Flutters was captured - and then it appears he's dead
Well, shit. This means two things for the post-war:
Goddammit, Celestia. Hope this ends with even more heartbreak for you and your miserable loyalists.