(2-4) Princess Talks
“Celestia,” the blue alicorn spoke after Twilight Sparkle left, “listen to me.”
Luna faced her sister, but her sister kept her back to her. Celestia very much knew what she was going to be told, and knew she would hate what she heard from her. Still, calmly, she asked, “What is it?”
“You have gone far enough with this,” Luna said forcefully. “I have let you get away with how you’ve treated him thus far, but I will not let you manipulate and infect the young princess.”
“I’ve done nothing of the sort,” Celestia lied. “As of this moment, we have to assume he was using some spell to paint us a very clever lie.”
“You know that is not the case,” Luna said, her expression becoming hard. “However, even if it were the case, it is completely unacceptable for you to try and breed hate in her heart.”
“The same hate and mistrust that you let fester between her and her friends when you intervened in their decision in the Crystal Empire?”
“You know full well,” her sister started in a low voice, “what decision they would have made had you and Cadance not radiated bloodlust.”
“Such a decision is unknowable,” she said dismissively, “and would have been fully their own regardless. I remember expressly saying that the decision was theirs.”
“As I said, you know full well what decision they would have made.”
“Even if I was influencing them, I do remember you saying you would allow whatever I chose to happen. Was that a lie?”. It took all of Celestia’s being not to say what she truly wanted to. Even seething as she was, what she wanted to say would have been entirely too hurtful to her sister.
"You know well enough that I was giving a show of unity," Luna told her, almost angry.
"How can we show unity when you try and contradict the things I say?"
“Celestia, I am hereby commanding you to stop this ridiculousness. Your actions are hurting Twilight, as well as her friends, and changing the way things are meant to be. The next time I see you working to manipulate her thinking, I will not give you the grace of speaking to you privately.”
Celestia for the first time got visibly angry. It wasn’t her that was causing these things, it was him. He was the problem. He was clearly tricking them, and trying to cause division between her and her sister, as well as between Twilight and her friends, so that he might take power. More than that, he was making her look like a fool, making her seem unreasonable. He was a problem, and he had to be dealt with as quickly as possible, whether or not he told the truth.
“No, Celestia,” her sister told her, reading her thoughts. “Thus far, he has done nothing but take the appearance of an enemy and beg for his life. At this moment, the problem is you.”
Luna’s words burned her deeply, and she marched up to her until they were nearly on top of each other, using her height to look down at her. “He. Killed. My. FRIEND!” she bellowed so loudly that all of Canterlot heard it, staring Luna right in the eye.
Not intimidated and not breaking away from her gaze, Luna, just as forceful as her sister, though not quite as loud, said, “She was my friend as well. Still yet, however, this creature has done nothing, and you cannot let this irrational hate for him fester within you and cloud your judgment. As well, you certainly will not cloud Twilight Sparkle’s judgment, as I will use any means necessary to prevent that from happening.”
Luna spoke from experience. She knew what happened when she let her hate fester, and did not want some creature who had done no wrong to suffer at her sister's hooves, whether it was the young princess or the one who claimed not to be Sombra. More than that, she wanted to prevent Celestia from suffering the same fate that befell her so long ago. However, she did become a bit concerned when she saw flecks of yellow, orange, and red make their way into her sister’s normally green, blue, and purple hair.
“Celestia,” Luna started again, in a much softer tone, “you have to control yourself. For his sake, for Twilight’s sake, and for your sake, you must control yourself.”
Rather than take her sister's words to heart, Celestia instead walked away in ever-growing anger, now mixed with slight paranoia.
“Princess Celestia,” Twilight asked, “can I ask what it was Sombra did to upset you so much?”
It was only a couple of hours later that the Princess of Friendship found herself in her private company. She had turned to head back to Ponyville, but once she got to the town, headed back to ask her new question, finding Celestia walking the city and greeting its citizens. She had originally planned to visit her brother and his wife that day, but now came to Celestia to see what exactly the monster had done to the three other princesses to upset them so much. Besides, she wasn’t ready to go back to the Crystal Empire quite yet.
“Well,” she told her matter of factly, “not only has he tried to take over Equestria and enslaved countless ponies, he also killed the princess who ruled the Crystal Empire before Cadance.”
Twilight’s eyes went wide at that. “He killed a princess?”
“Yes.”
“What happened?” she asked, then quickly added, “If you’re willing to tell me, of course.”
“There isn’t much to tell. He wanted to enslave the Crystal Empire, and the Crystal Heart stood in his way. When he tried to steal it, Princess Amore confronted him, and he killed her.” The mare sighed, adding, “She was a personal friend of mine.”
“Oh.” Twilight said quietly. “I’m sorry. But, why would he do that? He’s never killed anypony before…”
“Because he’s evil, Twilight. He’ll use any means necessary to get what he wants.”
“That wasn’t manipulation,” she thought. “I’m simply giving her the answers she seeks.”
The young princess paused at that, then asked, “You don’t think he’s really Sombra, do you?”
Celestia sighed. “I do not know,” she lied. “We are working to find out whether or not that is the case. However, regardless, I feel as though he’s driven a wedge between me and my sister, and I hope the same wedge hasn’t formed between you and your friends.”
Twilight was confused by that. Did she mean that he was doing that, or that their reactions to him were driving wedges between them? She was sure she meant the latter, but was still concerned about the phrasing. However, before she could ask about it, the princess said, “If it’s no problem, I’d really rather get off of the subject.”
“Of course,” Twilight said respectfully. “I’m sorry for taking up so much of your time.”
“It truly isn’t a problem,” Celestia told her kindly, watching as her former student trotted away. She was grateful Luna wasn’t there at that moment, otherwise there might have been a mess.
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Shouldn't this be actual dialogue? It seems a little out of place.
10151935
Twisted by revenge, huh? Understandable. I like that Twilight is catching on a little bit to Celestia’s reaction to all of this but this is clearly going to get worse before it gets better.
Twilight was supposed to be the smart one........
She could probably discover that it isn't Sombra on her own
Also, did Celestia saw only a general part of his life, past?
From where he comes from, etc basic things in a general way
So she didn't saw the show
Time for Twilight to have a personal interview herself...
Careful Celestia, lest you... break.
Keep going! ;)
Oh poor celly, letting her anger get the best of her. If she isn’t careful, her bright light will not only snuff out the darkness, burn away everything she’s built. And she only knows half the story, a story hidden within the shadows. A story it shall tell.
Huh... Makes sense Luna gives her sister a last chance. Pretty sure my suggested lines are fitting WHEN not IF Celestia crossing the line is discovered by Luna.
Im surprised if they dont have to Friendship laser Celestia flak because she already is: Lying to everyone, scheaming against her former allys to archiv her bliss in sating her bloodlust & ignoring the evidance. She is beyond any reason and is manic at this point. If Luna dont make sure HER NIGHTGUARD is protecting Alex and have specific orders to be contacting Luna plus what to do WHEN Celestia finally snaps.
There is no wish for justice & no with to protect anyone. Only the wish to see death and suffering caused by herself. Celestia lost it already.
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I think we all sense much fear in Celestia...
10151985
Dont know if Celestia words ever reached Twilight when she declared em equals. Twilight is still hiding in Celestias shadow. Stepping out of it to save her former Mentor from her own manic bloodlust and finaly start growing without guidance will be a huge step for Twilight.
The only good thing abot this is Celestias image will be shattered and force Twilight to grow on her own.
I wonder if Celestia have a 'Guard i order you' conflict.
Like:
Celestia orders his execution and Twilight orders the opposent. Luna as game breaker called and Celestia stops pretending to allow others to act against her.
10151995
Celestia stopped caring for the truth. Sje found it already and its not matched what she wannt it to be.
At this point she can just fabricate lies and manipulate a guard to do the 'only right thing for the good of Equestria'. Only question is who stops her. If she archiv success Luna and Twilight are eventually need to officaly remove Celestia from the throne. Banishment at worst.
10152001
She already is broken. Its only a question of 'did she shatter' to pieces that must me put together again
( reference to the comic solution).
Indeed. I think with Luna in present. Twilight go for the truth and Luna just overviews her progress. Also Luna should ask for oppinions how to track Sombras soul. Hard to tell if Sombra was forced by a misfired spell or purposly used another as Scapegoat.
Maybe... Sombra needs to let Alex get executed to reclaim his body.
According to the comics, Amore isn't really dead, but... Turning someone into stone and then shattering it to pieces and scattering those pieces all over the world might as well be irreversible murder even if you can theoretically reassemble Amore and turn her back to life. After all, those pieces could be anywhere, including at the bottom of a swamp, on a side of a mountain, and in many other places that are virtually impossible to search through and thoroughly.
In any case, Celestia seems like she's going to lose it. Alex is clearly not Sombra, and making elaborate schemes up to justify her hatred of what is essentially just Sombra's body with no evidence of Sombra's mind/soul in it is borderline insane. Celestia lived for many years, and she should know that the more complicated a plan is, the more likely it is to fail, and Sombra wasn't shown to be too bright to enact simplest plans without failing. Of course, it's obvious logical and evidence-based thinking Celestia may possess is clouded by her hatred of Sombra - and anything that resembles/reminds her of him - but it's not an excuse. She might do something irreversible to an innocent being, and this could result in Alex becoming hateful of her, and... that's how you get a villain. Sombra might not ever return, but if Celestia continues to treat Alex poorly while knowing he's not Sombra, she might just get what she wishes for.
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As much as I like Star Wars, Yoda isn't exactly right. Fear might lead to suffering straight away, fear might not lead to anger at the one causing fear, and anger doesn't necessarily lead to hate. The logic is severely flawed and, well, it's no doubt the Jedi Order fell.
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She is not fearful of Alex. She just wannt her bloodlust sated. She lies that she dont know the truth. Repeats it several times in this chapter alone.
She isnt in danger of falling but has already started to walk the pit.
How mutch damage will she to to her allys and Sister before they are forced to stop Celestias obsession to punish not guilty individuals.
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10152036
Yoda contradicted himself several times. I can list 3 instances.
1.Only Shit deals in absolutes. ( double meaning: Shit people and Sith )
2.The line that was quoted ( Elu has eloquently made a good example )
3. His trials the 'Wills of the force' send him to show the truth about himself
10152044
VERY difficult indeed. But if they show one thing in MLP Impossible is often just a 'very unlikely result' that 'can' and if need be 'is' archived.
Still... Its the intend of Sombra to kill her ONLY Alex is lucky it can be archived. I would love to see him be on a Friendship quest to find all pieces! Twilight is the Alicorn of Magic. Pretty sure a tracking spell is no problem. The adventure can be the journey that they travel with him. Getting to know Alex and when they archiv the ressurection after un-petrifying with the spell that fixed the Stormking situation. Luna & Celestias get there friend back. Cadance get her shit together and ALEX can go " i proven im not Sombra & fixed his one reversebel crime! Now i dont wannt to see Celestias face ever again".
Also, where is Discord?
He would probably instantly notice that this isn't that full of himself and arrogant Sombra
I pictured it myself and I can see MC bringing up Q and Bill Cipher to the talk
MC:"Hey Discord help! You know I'm not Sombra"
Discord: "Well, I it will be more fun to wait more before intervening,it's not like Celestia will kill you right now"
MC:"......"😨
Discord: "Don't worry I will appear moments before she will do it 😉"
MC: "I swear I will find a way to contact Q!"😐
Discord: "You wouldn't dare to call my uncle! He probably wouldn't care anyway" 😏
MC: "What about a deal with Bill Cipher,I still remember the pentagram and ritual "😈
Discord:"😅.........okay, okay, relax, I will help. dealing with Bill isn't worth that chaos anyway"
Before you complain why I made Q a Discrod's uncle,I didn't watch anything related to Star Trek ,I only know something about Q and that he was inspiration when creating Discord
gee twilight, you didn't hear her yell he killed my friend. It was so loud I thought every pony heard.
Well that settles it celestia on her way to becoming sunbreaker
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It is my own belief that the this code basically shoves aside our understanding of psychology and replaces it with something that would usually be very damaging; It’s really a wonder that more Jedi haven’t fallen. Just about everyone knows that bottling your emotions, keeping them away, and basically ignoring their existence is a perfect recipe for a time bomb. We can see this in Anakin, who, trained at an older age than usual, ultimately couldn’t cope with the dichotomy.
Personally, I think Celestia is being railroaded into being like this by plot, but... thinking about it, we don’t know that much about her, do we?
Sure, she’s the wise mentor/leader type, guiding our young protagonist to great heights, but well, we don’t see much of her. We know next to nothing about her past other than what relates to Nightmare Moon (haven’t read much comics, don’t know if there’s any info there), and ultimately, her personality isn’t really hard-set. She can be quite emotional and passionate in situations like Discord bringing back three villains, even though when we usually see her, she’s pretty calm. Actually had to revise my head canon on Celestia for that – before, I used to think of her as a 100% calm and collected type, but now I see that as a side of her born from a millennia of experience, a side she lets down when things get personal; this passion fits her role as the Princess of the Sun: it is entirely realistic that some pony so closely tied to a great ball of flame would be so passionate.
Anyway, what I’m trying to say is, while I don’t think Celestia acting this off is natural and requires more explanation and backstory than “Amore was killed”, pulled off right, it could very well be seamless given how little we actually know of her.
That went on longer than I expected, and I might have to revise it as thoughts swirl into my mind, but that’s my take for now.
Quick thing I want to point out real quick, is that despite some people complaining about spelling errors in stories(though not this one) there are plenty of spelling errors in the comments. Very ironic.
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Jedi are very sheltered, so they don't actually know how social interactions are supposed to work between regular people, so it's no surprise that someone who wasn't trained (more like indoctrinated) into the dogma of the Jedi couldn't deal with it.
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There is more than that. Amore is half of it
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This wasn't immediately after she left. Luna gave a few minutes to let Twilight leave the city.
10151974
Personally I had interpreted that line as metaphor.
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10152282
It was kind of metaphorical in a sense. She wasn't actually gazing into her mind. But she could very easily pick up on what she was thinking based on the emotions she put out
It is to late for celestia
Well things will come down to a under current of hostility, I wonder what the guy will do at this point other then taking permanent residency in his cell, which sounds pretty cozy, I wonder if he can furnish it, maybe add a window? Now I wonder what will the guy be doing he is pretty much powerless and the story has been more focused on the princesses then him. I wonder if he will really be confronted with realizing how much his image invoke fear from the ponies of the empire, I think he really need to get aware of that asap?
Oh boy....
I dread how far Celestia will go with her grudge.
Wait...... Is that is in IDW comic world?
I'm asking beceause........ Amore kind of deserved it
Every Crystal Faire Crystal Heart would attack Sombra when he was a colt
He was umbrum but not evil and probably wouldn't have become evil if it wasn't for Amore, who let this stuff happen
She knew he was umbrum and that it was Crystal Heart that was causing him pain
Sombra was justified to being enraged with her, so he turned her to stone and shattered
10152231
If Amore is from IDW comic then......
Well I wrote this here alredy
10152375
So Luna chooses now of all times to gain a conscience? Not like it helped at all, given she neglected to point out the glaring flaw in Celestia's logic of "everything he says is evil and lying". They're both irredeemable, refuse to actually do anything to prove things either way, and have driven the protagonist into a corner where he has no hope.
In short this chapter tells us nothing new, just repeating what we already know.
What Celestia really needs is Sunset with a rolled-up newspaper.
10152375
While you do make a point in justifying Sombra and what he did, nothing can truly justify killing another intelligent, living being.
It is obvious that Celestia has the full right to be upset, but it’s how she’s using it and letting that anger control her what makes it ‘wrong.’ It simply isn’t the best road to walk. In the end, everypony gets hurt.
10152603
I have some strong arguments against that, to summarize: defense of self and defense of others.
10152375
He protected his own health & life
I agree with the logic. Wile stoning her and than shatter her body to moraly avoid killing her its still a bit... Drastic... ANYWAY this story shows how anger and hate rule over anything it seems.
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Verbal she received it. One Luna learn that Celestia dont care for word and warnings she get her newspaper to the flak...
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Indeed
10152603
Technicaly he dont kill her. She can be returned like in the comic. The effort isnt worth it...
That why Alex could ask to do it if he get the infos that she was stoned and shattered. Not killing her but make it very unlikely to save her...
10152670
I do agree with the exceptions that you’ve shined a light on, but there are still other ways instead of murder. I understand there will be times when killing seems to be the last thing available on a list of desperate options, but that last option should never even exist on that list. I, personally, will always find another solution to a problem that barely even brushes the desperation to kill. But that is simply my opinion. I do hope my opinion doesn’t bother you too much.
I am also curious about your arguments. If you wouldn’t mind too much, could you please elaborate on them? I would love to read them
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You know, that might be something I would like to read on this story. That would really rustle Celestia’s wings.
In all seriousness though, Sombra shattering Princess Amore’s cobble body was over the line for me. I imagine that Sombra, with the help of Dark Magic, actually turned her to stone. Thoroughly. Unlike Discord, who escaped by cracking his prison, which would imply that he wasn’t physically, fur to bone, turned to stone. Instead, he was only encased in it. (I think the Lord of Chaos said so himself on multiple occasions, but I could be mistaken— don’t pin me on that
)
If, however, Princess Amore was only encased in stone and not turned into it, once she was shattered, she’s dead. Done. The same goes for being thoroughly turned to stone, I’m pretty sure. If that were the case, then she’s just become a very detailed statue with very accurate pony insides. I like to think that her magic is keeping her conscious or spirit(?) alive and unconscious.
Another thing. Once shattered, and somehow still alive, her pieces can change from natural causes. For example: erosion. But, if she is still ‘alive’, and her pieces the exact same when shattered, then the chances of bringing her back is very possible.
Ah, I’ve been ranting too much. I would like to know what you think on this
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So if it wasn't for Radiant Hope's slip, we'd be golden right now. You're a real credit to Equestria, Hope.
This story is still killing it in all seriousness and I loved finally getting to see where Celestia's enmity is coming from.
I definitely can't wait for him to straight up tell Celestia that killing one person isn't as bad as mass genocide of most living species, or crippling of multiple species when she falsely accuses him of such.
Celestia... What kind of dark path are you leading yourself down? By the end of this, you may find Day Breaking the world you love...
10152834
I understand and respect your opinion and think that is a good mentality to have, but what do you think should be in a situation where that isn't practical and there truly is no way to protect yourself or another person that does not involve taking the life of somebody threatening or attacking you?
I know that's a pretty extreme hypothetical sort of thing in most cases, but my mind can't help but go to those sorts of places at times.
When it comes down to that sort of thing, I think ending the life of a remorseless murderer or something would at least be understandable if still not at all pleasant or meant to be seen as desirable or easily done without any sort of psychological weight.
Either way, I know I wouldn't ever want to kill another person or sapient being even without all the hypothetical rambling.
10152834
Well done!
Your saved! 
Sound human logic. Might fit. Or the magic stone protected the Pony in Stasis that also include decaying/erosion prevention . Depends on the Author really... I like the comment detailed
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Nice you found the segment
10146029
O No!!! We will save youuuuu...
-Call for a field Medic!
-Check pulse , if needed chest compression.
If not or in between
-Mouth to mouth ! ( no tongue~ )
If needed, repeat!
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I agree its THE
Lets instead banish Celestia 1000 years from any Desserts after Dinner and send her to the 'time out conor' when ever she get her Sun Breaker moments
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Edit:
I counted 12 times i can identify a lie and 1 time Celestia go behind Lunas back after being clearly warned.
If this is going off of Fiendship is Magic comics canon, since it was talking earlier about Sombra being half-umbrum, Princess Amore actually was kind of a dick to Sombra anyways. She basically was all 'oh yah I knew the Crystal Faire was causing you INCREDIBLE pain every year but I didn't do anything to help you regardless' to Sombra.
Canon wise - in the IDW comics - Princess Amore isn't dead, Sombra turned her to stone/crystal statue, shattered her, and spread her pieces across Equestria or the world, but after he was reformed in the comics, he said it was possible to bring back Amore by retrieving said pieces and using some sort of spell to bring her back... So whether Amore in the show was killed or the same thing happened to her, I don't think Celestia knows all the facts about what really happened to Amore.
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She was probably too distracted by the fact that one of her citizens could become a princess/alicorn to focus on Sombra's problems
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The comics are considered canon until they contradict the show, so Princess Amore's fate is likely the same in the show.
Edit: Fucking autocorrect ruined the comment goddammit
If Celestia would knowingly murder an innocent person then that DOES make her evil. Do you think the elements of harmony would turn around midair and hit her instead?
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I would love that
10158968
That's not just fucked up on so many levels, that was straight up child abuse!
...I have a theory. A GAME TH- nope, not doing the joke.
If our boi is in Sombra's body, who is in our boi's body? Clearly it isn't Sombra, since escaping to another world doesn't seem like his modus operandi. Rather, he seems like the type to seek revenge by BANISHING someone to another world, or to destroy what they love. For example, if Sombra were to take himself, Celestia, and our boi and swap the souls around...
Just saying, but I think "Celestia" is actually Sombra in Celestia's body, and poor Tia is stuck on Earth in a human body.
(I'm 99% sure I'm wrong but god I want to be right)
Oh, good, Twilight has a brain. I was worried she'd get corrupted, but she's so convinced Celestia isn't insane she's willing to rationalize Celestia's words into something reasonable.
I'd that so difficult for Luna to bitch slap Celestia right now? If we're going by that comic then it's clear to me that their princess-friend of theirs had a irrational hatred of Sombra just like Celestia.
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While I would bid for a double slap, what would happen if instead it just suddenly awakens Daybreaker instead? You have to remember that these aren't normal ponies. They can ascend to their greatest fears; for Luna being a jealous-ridden Night Mare wanting revenge and total night, and Celestia being a literal tyrant that goes against what the nation needs best.