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I've read the primer you linked, and I'm about to commit one if not the gravest sin in an Omegaverse story:
I'm going to ask for worldbuilding details
Are they full package or only dickgirls? If the latter, how the heck do people differ between an alpha female and an alpha/beta male? Or between an omega/beta female and an omega male (considering any kind of consistency in the world so that if alpha = dick and no pussy then omega = pussy and no dick, no matter the gender)? Do they do it by genetic testing? If so, what did they do before? Is it some kind of weird EQG wold magic that always allow them to know?
If /d/girls only, why that choice? Purely porn or future developments?
Sure, there has been no mention to it and one would likely imagine they're not full package because it'd have come up, but I wouldn't put it beyond Shimmer to even in this situation keep her wits about her and don't risk a pregnancy - the spreadsheed does list is as a "maybe" after all. But then again, she IS an equestrian and I wouldn't put it beyond the Power of Love to awaken some of her horny horse powers and allow for... changes in Rainbow.
This reads hot, yes, but also as an interesting look at a different enough biology as to be another culture and species, and that makes it considerably more interesting. The budding relationship will conflict oh so much with Fluttershy's possible admission as her beta, and as humans don't do herds the inevitable rejection's going to be heartwrenching as fuck
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So in the Omegaverse the ‘Alpha/Beta/Omega’ dynamic is the physical, procreative sex assignment. Alphas are the ‘male’ side of procreation, while Omegas are the ‘Female’ side. Betas are a third sex that can fill either role without suffering the hormonal extremes of the breeding pairs, but are also less fertile.
Allowing for the fact that sex and gender both exist as a gradient, Alpha females and Alpha males are approximately the same physiological sex, but differ in gender presentation. Same with Betas/Omegas.
As for the story? I have Sunset and Rainbow this way for story reasons. It’s actually a major plot point when Fluttershy’s enters the stage later on.
And yeah, the crux of this story explores the relationship dynamics of their society and the expectations of an Alpha.
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Oh, interesting, very interesting indeed. I'm oh so curious for that now. Well, more curious, when can we get more?
Gotta say I do love a look at a whole new societal dynamic. Certainly a favorite
Edit: wait, how do they know someone's a beta before puberty? Or is the finding out you're a alpha/beta/omega the mark of said puberty?
nice work on both chapters out so far
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At puberty they present as either Alpha, Beta, or Omega. I’m currently working on Ch.3, so that’s coming soon sometime. So when Fluttershy hit puberty she presented as Omega, Sunset presented as an Alpha but matured late because of her transition into the human world.
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Wait, just realized that you said that betas can fill "either side". Does that mean that all betas are hermaphrodites? The societal implications of that combined with reduced fertility are rather staggering.
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The answer to this tends to differ fic by fic based on the author's interpretation. Personally, I write betas as having a defined physical sex but being able to change that sex over time. In some cases this can be due to a shift in identity, in others it can be out of species necessity. So rather than being both at the same time, they have the ability to become one or the other. This also means that Betas can often favor physical androgyny or even possess a total lack of romantic and/or sexual attraction.
Since I'll probably never go into this in the fic, I'll give a rundown here. Physiologically Alphas, Betas, and Omegas function as something called a Clade, which is a society of parallel evolutionary branches evolving to function together. Think like if the various branches of the primate family evolved to work together instead of killing each other off, so you have the homo sapien sapien in the same time period as homo neanderthalus, etc...
Alphas are a physically powerful breed, but evolved into infertility due to their parallel evolution alongside the hyperfertile Omegas. Between the two of them were the physiologically morphic and flexible Betas that acts as an intermediary, both physiologically and societally, often serving as nannies, middle-men, and counselors, due to their milder hormonal extremes, which made it easier for them to think beyond their instincts which often ruled the more volatile Alphas and Omegas.
And there you go! I've put way too much thought into this!
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I'm an addict to world building, putting way too much thought into things is awesome.
So alphas are nearly infertile? Interesting. Considering the hormonal influence you mentioned I'd bet science and production is mainly done by betas, although in modern times with suppressors omegas and alphas can get into it, at least the milder ones. Wars in the past must mainly be waged by the alphas, and a Joan D'Arc would be an omega - but a really "weak" one, if at all possible.
How is the population split? If reproduction is mainly done by omegas they likely have more than three children a piece, and every society evolved with some kind of support structure for such. Maybe it's commonplace for them to put children into beta adoption? Even with instincts I can imagine there are quite a number of them that don't want to live their lives as breeding machines, if they're around 20% or so of the total. And what about alphas?
Sure, the porn's great, but finding out about a whole new world and it's intricacies is a whole other pleasure, oh so rare.
Well, this does indeed seem rather interesting.
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I wouldn't say "way too much", given that sort of thought is a major reason I'm interested in this story. :D
So as I understand it, in this particular universe, alphas have male genitalia, omegas have female genitalia, betas are sequential hermaphrodites, and all three can have varying secondary sex characteristics and genders?
Of course, you're also actually writing about two different species with this characteristic, even if I expect the "humans" will take up the great majority of the attention; I'm wondering what other differences there might be between them, besides the mentioned lower intensity of pony reproductive hormonal cycles.
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Also, I just realized, kind of a funny coincidence...
[looks at usernames, avatars, and content of comments]
:D
But yes, I, too, have been known to enjoy a good bit of worldbuilding. :)
Don't do it Sunset, love will conquer whatever challenges it might face. Don't do it...
Rainbow will suffer so much before this is over
I continue to find this an interesting exploration of the psychology and society of a slightly but significantly different species. :)
And there do also appear to be parts that have qualities of either allegory or applicability, which is adding some further interest.
edit:
Oh, though did you miss my previous comment?
nice work
This is gonna be an oof sized 'Large'.
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There is definitely quite a bit of allegory in here, yeah, lol. And yes, I did miss the response/question, yeah.
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This is kind of in response. So I mistakenly said 'Infertile' when I was talking about Alphas, when what I probably should have said was 'mostly sterile', at least in regards to breeding true amongst one another. Due to the alphas evolving alongside the hyperfertile omegas, they stopped breeding between one another, favoring the more evolutionarily viable omegas, this lead to them basically losing the ability to bear children.
Biologically, the idea is that since Alphas, Betas, and Omegas were originally disparate species they had the ability to breed true among one another. So male-presenting omegas would have male genitalia, but in the same case alphas that I described above, Omegas eventually evolved to mate exclusively with the more virile Alphas and since all omegas can bear children, regardless of their physiognomic gender, they also have the faculties for that. This is where the 'dont think about it too hard' advice comes in, since it loops around to what the link in story description describes for 'male' omegas.
Goddammit you can feel the emotion, the conflict and the sheer, pure Love Sunset has for Rainbow. It goes way beyond passion or lust, into wanting what's best for her Omega, no matter how much it hurts. Because she doesn't let herself believe that Rainbow loves her back, or that she could be happy as her Bitch.
I just hope they end up happy in the end
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Ah, thanks; I was wondering what the balance was between the two. :)
...Ah. Hm. "Don't think about it too hard" is a bit of a problem for me here, unfortunately; I want to figure this out! And that this story seemed to be taking the biology seriously was (is?) one of the attractions for me.
Well...
We have a close example from male humans (among many other species) of reproductive and liquid waste channels being run through the same orifice, and monotremes provide a still-mammalian example of reproductive, liquid waste, and solid waste channels all running through the same orifice. During delivery through the solid-reproductive orifice, the offspring could potentially be protect by the same sort of sac-I-forget-the-name-of-and-don't-presently-have-time-to-look-up as equine foals. Presumably the setup of the uterus is approximately the same for both "male" and "female" configurations, with only the opening changing, though there might be some sort of lack or reduction of auxiliary equipment (not sure just what that'd be, not an expert in the field and, again, currently in a bit of a hurry) contributing to reduced "male" fertility (have to make room for the male equipment, though I suspect some parts may have roles in both). Though pelvis configuration may be a concern. Possibly--
...Wait, you said there were "'male'" Omegas (Also, why is that capitalized?)? And they also have the extremely high fertility? Shoot, there goes one idea... I guess "females" might still have an advantage in fewer resources spent on male genitalia, but...
Argh. Have to admit, my motivation for continuing with the story's dropped heavily. Quite possibly temporary mood effect (and I certainly don't have time for the new chapter right now either way), and I'm interested in other aspects of it (and already invested), but I do hope there's some way to work out the biology aspect (that I'm just not seeing at the moment, because hurry).
(Oh and I should probably still mention that while thinking of the above it also occurred to me that that "mostly" might end up applying to Rainbow and Sunset in the plot, but I've kind of lost the enthusiasm I had for mentioning that when I still thought I was working the system out. (Again, quite possibly also temporary.) But I also should really be moving on to the next thing in the queue anyway.)
(Oh, quick check: Did a wizard do it (or equivalent)? Because that, while less satisfying in some ways, would certainly explain it. Why does the system work like this? For the same reason that bear has an owl's head; there's little to no interesting evolutionary physical and psychological history, but at least we have a plausible route for such a thing arising: some guy with a wand thought it'd be cool.
...Actually, I'm not sure how much better that'd actually be, at least given how interested I was before, but, again, likely temporary mood effects and also I really need to be moving on now, sorry if this is getting a bit incoherent. :))
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(Got a bit of extra time, and I also wanted to get this question(ish thing?) in.)
(My main issue is... if "male" omegas are just as fertile as "female" omegas... Why exactly do "females" exist in this species? Sure, the "female" biology includes mammary glands, very important for mammals, but is it really that much more expensive to just stick those on a "male"? Sure, the "male" omegas, as I recall, are vanishingly unlikely to sire offspring, but if the only thing they lack there is viable testicles, well, unless I'm much mistaken, testicles are basically an add-on compared to the more complex and extensive systems involved in bringing a child to term. Again, is it really that much more expensive to add that one last bit to the already present male genitalia? Of course, the species might still have different fertility groups within it or something, but I'd expect them to be variants off the "male" model.)
(Oh, yes, and I see a comment's been left on Chapter 4, though I've fortunately been able to avoid reading it so far. Please don't reply to my comments here in the same one as any reply to that, or it'll be harder for me to isolate them (which might already be tricky if short comments get mixed together). I'm also not sure when I'll get to the new chapter, given I have at least one more urgent (due to its location) update in queue today and hours more before I can start on that queue (and I'm kind of torn between wanting to put this chapter right after that, so I can get it done and be more free in looking at the comments (and maybe even have some new data) and wanting to hold off on it until this is resolved so that my experience of the chapter won't run the risk of being tainted by this); sorry about the inconvenience.
I suppose we could also take this to PMs, actually, which would perhaps be better in a variety of ways but would mean that other people wouldn't be able to see any solution we came up with, or you revealed, unless it was pasted in or something.)
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Sent you a PM if you want to continue the discussion.
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I got it; thanks. :)
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Yeah, because of how their relationship started, (and the fact that Sunset is a gay self-sabotaging disaster) all Sunset can see is how she has been taking advantage of Rainbow.
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Considering this is both the most eww and at the same time one of the most intriguing parts of the universe, taking it out of the comments seems kinda excluding to other readers, even if it unclogs the section for others.
I'd honestly recommend the True Hermaphrodite approach to the rare male Omegas and female Alphas, if they still exist. That keeps the basal characteristics of "Alphas can sire and Omegas can bear" without going into surreally complex biology for the sake of fetishes. Unless that's your thing.
It could link nicely with the interchanging Betas and multi-species origin.
Don't read this next one yet Reese, it pertains to the 4th chapter.
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One can hope Fluttershy's Kindness can help her realise her mistake
nice work
(I see there's a reply to my comment, but my attempt to look down at it first did seem to indicate a too-high chance of spoilers interlaced, even though I noticed Neece themself nicely put their spoilery bit behind a marked tag. :)
But it's not everyone's responsibility to follow the conversation and do that, so, given the line's now clear for me to got through the chapter and it's not that long, I decided to do that first.)
Well, bit of a mess there. Sunset's unhappy, Rainbow's unhappy, Applejack is currently no longer unhappy but I doubt that's going to last long once she takes in Rainbow's current state, and Fluttershy is presumably currently blissfully unaware of what she's now getting dragged into.
And it's quite likely to get worse before it gets better.
I'm interested to see what happens next. :D
Right, and on to the comments.
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"I just hope they end up happy in the end
I hope so too.
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Thanks again for the spoiler tag. :)
And it looks like I might have been able to read these comments earlier after all, but, well, didn't know that then.
Anyway:
Aye, maybe a blog post or something on it would be useful, linked in the description? Up to I-A-M, of course, but that way the people who are interested could find out without having to dig through the comments (or at least possibly through digging through more on-topic comments that might appear on the blog post), while people who don't want to see it here don't have to.
and re the spoiler-tagged:
Ah, good point. If anyone was going to meet this with understanding and trying to help even after finding out what Sunset dragged them into and why she did...
nice work
Thanks for the chapter
I think we all know who's her
Because true love knows no boundaries, as we hope Fluttershy might teach her still.
"“I know, and I’d make you regret,” I replied"
"“I know, and I’d make you regret it,” I replied"?
"Fluttershy’s went wide"
"Fluttershy’s eyes went wide"?
"You deserve an omega who"
"You deserve an alpha who"?
"An omega sought shelter from its alpha by nature"
"An omega sought shelter from their alpha by nature"?
Well, that went quite well!
Which, on the one hand, is in itself good.
On the other, though, oh dear, the mess has now gotten even more complicated, with more people in the potential emotional blast radius.
I found it a good chapter from the reader's side, though!
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Thanks for the corrections, although the last one is actually right as is. the sentence is referring to an instinctive act by omegas in general, not by Fluttershy, and Omegaverse tropes use a lot of genderless language because Alphas, Betas, and Omegas primary defining characteristics in this society.
Really liking this. Though, the hardest thing im finding being super not familiar with omegaverse stuff is trying to seperate how much is instinctual versus otherwise. That does make whats happening between Shimmer and Dash all the more compelling though, if it is railing against nature.
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Basically, Alphas and Omegas are supposed to be drawn to one another like opposite magnets. Their pheromones and such match up and draw them towards each other, Alphas tend to butt heads compete, but Sunset and Rainbow are actually attracted to one another, which is against the usual flow of biology.
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Oh, interesting; thanks.
Why genderless instead of gender-neutral, though? If you know (and don't mind answering, of course), at least for this universe (it sounds like it overall may just be one of the conventions).
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When referring to their instinctual responses and actions, they usually use ‘genderless terms’ since it’s seen a kind of primordial reaction.
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Hm, and also interesting; thanks.
Aaah, I'm conflicted cause I love SunShy so much but Dash is suffering and aaaugh.
Excellent chapter update!
I half expected Flutters to have woken up to the sound of RD crying, but it would've been quite conveniently dramatic. Rainbow's likely to suffer considerably more before her happy ending
If anything the sex scene did make me believe Sunset and Rainbow will experiment quite freely in bed once they get truly together. Sunny's not shy about it, as she said herself.
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That's the conflict i knew would happen, because SunShyne is a fun ship. It's also the ship of one of my favorite stories, Playing House.
nice work
Another enjoyable chapter, at least for the readers; thanks for writing. :)
(I mean, of course, some bits of it also appear to have been enjoyable for some of the characters (some quite a bit so), but others, well... not so much. Interesting from this side of the screen, though!)
This is weird and I'm curious enough to keep reading. It's such an overly fleshed out... kink/fetish?
It's different and I do like sub-dom dynamics and futa so this is pretty close to hitting my mark. It's when physical differences like pheromones and knotting gets involved I remember what the hell I'm reading.
Plus I'm a sucker for Sunset Shimmer and Rainbow Dash.
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The whole Alpha/Beta/Omega dynamics is a really fleshed out collection of tropes in other parts of the internet actually. Check the tag out on Archive of Our Own sometime, it's especially popular in the Overwatch fandom. There's a lot of Pharah/Mercy fics in that subset.
As someone who is a little sick of reading about societal homophobia as a point of drama in romance, this world has a kind of interesting twist to it.
I know I'm supposed to root for them to be together, and I am, but at the same time I'm still unsure about Rainbow Dash's psychological state. She seems happy but can she accept this in a long-term situation? Is she psychologically stable? How is her self-esteem? Would she be able to accept her friends and others finding out the nature of her relationship? These are important questions for any relationship. Whether straight, gay or really gay like this one.
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So it is important to note there are societal and psychological factors in this world that don’t exist in our world.
As for accepting things, the one who’s really having trouble accepting the situation isn’t Rainbow, it’s Sunset. And believe me, I’ll go into a lot of it in the story. We’re closing in on the endgame.
Yep
I think what needs to happen is obvious, sunset needs to rebuild what has been torn down, in more ways than one.
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Agreed
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Sunset tries, and she’s a perennial fuck up, but she tries.
Damn this story is heavily emotional indeed. And the look into their dinamics tantalizing. Can barely wait for more.
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I have this thing where I take crap that should probably just be porn and turn it dramatic, because my desire to write smut is massively outweighed by my desire to torture my characters.
nice work
You're welcome; it's been interesting. :)
"only had a promised Applejack"
"only had I promised Applejack"?
"put anything kind of actual relationship"
Did something go wrong there?
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Nice for the readers, though. :)
Thanks for writing!
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Please tell me there’s going to be a happy ending. I don’t think my heart could take a downer ending