New Trails
The safe shallows is what the PDA called it, the area in which Ryley had made his base, and for the most part he had to agree with that name. The safe shallows where as the name implied, very shallow, the deepest it got was about 80 metres down but some parts where just barely a metre below the surface, in fact he was pretty sure there was one piece of Coral that actually stick above the water. It was very rocky area, covered in outcrops, pits, arches and even small caves scattered about the place. Most of it was covered in sand but there where lots of corals and plants in the area as well.
His base sat in one of the shallowest parts of the Safe Shallows, barely five metres from the surface. The area in front of the base dropped to about thirty metres down and was generally more devoid of flora and fauna than the space behind the base, and the seafloor was smoother in front, smoother being a relative term here. It was this space in front of the base where Rainbow Dash had been practicing, with his oversight. There was just more space, and less chance of Rainbow Dash swimming into rock or particularly big piece of Coral.
Watching her swim had itself been quite amusing, at first she seemed to just be trying to fly underwater, flapping her wings a lot and barely kicking at all. But after listening to his advice she seemed to get the hang of it, more focused on kicking with her back legs, instead using her wings for steering to where it now seemed like she was gliding through the water. No longer having to help her he ran out of distractions for the recent series of terrible events his life had become.
"First my ship crashes on an unexplored planet, then my rescue ship gets shot down, then I turn out to have gotten infected with an alien disease, then I get attacked by a giant Sea Monster, and then I find out we're being hunted by more aliens!" At this point he was just trying to compartmentalize these things and not freak out about everything. Though a glance at his left hand reminded him that that wasn't really going to solve anything (did it feel itchy?). But if he had any chance of getting out of this alive he needed to keep a level head.
"Hey, are you in there? Hello." His gaze refocused to the sight of Rainbow Dash right in front of him waving a hoof in front of his face, having apparently swum over during his internal monologue.
"Sorry, you said something?" Ok, that pout was actually adorable.
"Yeah I did! I asked what that was?" He followed her hoof to see two large fish swimming in their direction, bigger than Ryley and much fatter, they had two round eyes on their relatively small heads with big mouth tubes hanging below, two large pelvic fins on either side of their fat bodies, and a massive bulbous tail covered in glowing greenish-yellow spots.
"Gasopods, just keep your distance and you'll be fine." Rainbow threw a quizzical glance at the big, fat fish.
"That thing? It doesn't look very dangerous."
"It's not, so long as you leave it alone. Now why don't you go and explore this area, the PDA can answer any questions you have about this place, just stay in the shallows and stay out of the caves." Rainbow Dash squirmed an eyebrow at him.
"Okay, and what are you going to do?"
"I'm going scavenging." And with that he turned around and swam off. Maybe he shouldn't be leaving her alone, but he needed to make a new Seamoth, and he wasn't quite sure how much time they had. Besides this was a still the Safe Shallows, so long as she listened to what he said she'd be fine. And the PDA could answer any questions she had about the local wildlife, he was pretty sure he'd scanned everything around here.
What made the Safe Shallows safe was the wildlife, there where no Stalkers, no Sandsharks or Bone Sharks, and no giant Seamoth eating Reaper Leviathans. Most creatures here had their names given to them by the scanner which choose a memorable name after it has scanned them. And Ryley had been scanning everything he met to make sure he knew as much as possible about everything here, well, almost everything.
His left leg twinged at the memory of the thing that had attacked them, with most predators around here he just shot them with the stasis rifle and then scanned them while they where frozen. However Ryley hadn't had much desire to scan the creature that attacked them, even if in hindsight a fully charged stasis rifle shot probably froze it for long enough. It wasn't as if he'd been thinking straight or academically at the time. However one of the empty lifepods he had found had made mention of extremely aggressive leviathan class predators, said the scanner had called them Reapers. He wasn't certain that the creature that attacked them was the same kind that had attacked lifepod 4, but for now at least it felt like a safe enough bet. He wasn't sure he could take there being more kinds of Leviathan predators on this deathball.
But in any case in this area there where only two creatures that could hurt Rainbowdash here, the suicidal exploding Crashfish and the Gasopods. But the Crashfish lived exclusively in caves and he'd already warned her about the Gasopods.
Well there was the possibility of a Stalker swimming over from one of the Kelp forests. But, no, the worst those things did was give a nasty bite, and from watching her swim he was sure she was faster than them. "I can't be coddling her, so long as she doesn't do anything reckless she'll be fine."
The water frothed around her as she thrashed about, creating a writhing mass of foamy water and flailing limbs. She struggled to breathe, even in those brief moments her head rose above the water, and she couldn't see anything through the tears in her eyes.
"Bwaha ha ha ha ha ha!"
"Subject Rainbow Dash, continued proximity is I'll advised. It is suggested that you take your distance from the poisonous gas."
"Ha ha, don't you-pfft ha ha. Don't you mean the poisonous farts? He he he."
"The gas released by the Gasopod is not its stomach wind. It is created by the algae living in the specialized algae glands grown on its rear."
"You mean it's butt, he he."
"No fecal matter passes through that part of the Gasopod, it would be more accurate to refer to it as a tail." Rainbow Dash finally stopped laughing and glanced back into the water.
"That's a pretty fat tail."
Rainbow Dash had been following Ryleys advice, she'd swim around asking for the names of all the fish, coral and plants around, and kept her distance from the Gadopods. She's even stayed out of the caves, which, when she asked the PDA, turned out to be because they had suicidal exploding fish in them, which did sound cool but also pretty painful. But as she had been swimming around she stopped paying quite as much attention to her surroundings as she usually did. At some point a Gasopod had actually swam towards her, and she didn't realize until she swam up for air and nearly bumped headfirst into it.
At that point the Gasopod employed its defensive strategy, releasing loads of yellow bubbles from its rear, which then exploded into little yellow gas clouds. Or as Rainbow Dash preferred to think of it, farted. After that Rainbow Dash quickly made her way to the surface, keeping her distance from the gas, and proceeded to cackle like Pinkie Pie for the next few minutes.
"The gas expelled by the Gasopod is extremely corrosive, contact would burn through you suit, fur and skin in seconds. Keeping your distance is advised."
"Yeah, yeah, I get it, silent but deadly." She tried really hard to keep a straight face after that, and managed for about two seconds before another chuckle escaped her lips.
"Pfft, he he." *sigh*" Having finally calmed down she took a moment to look around. There wasn't much to see however, to the north was the mountain island, standing tall above the waves but still barely visible. In light of what happened there it almost looked a little sinister. She shook her head an turned away before more, uncomfortable memories could surface and instead she turned to look at the only other visible landmark, the wreckage of the Aurora.
It really was massive, much bigger than any island she had seen on this planet, and it looked like half of it was missing.
"... Hey PDA, how many uhh, humans, where on that ship?"
"The Aurora had a crew of 157 individuals including 23 command crew, 85 engineers, 40 support crew and 9 passengers."
"And, how many of them survived the crash?"
"Unknown, many of the Auroras lifepods where launched before impact, however it is extremely unlikely that many of the crew managed to escape before impact." Rainbowdash deflated at that, then perked up slightly as the first part of that statement sunk in.
"But some of them did right? So there might be other survivors out there right?"
"Possible, however Captain Ryley has already investigated four other lifepods and found no survivors as well as evidence of their likely deaths." And with that she deflated again, still.
"But there might be some other survivors, right? In lifepods he hasn't checked."
"Currently only the locations of two other lifepods is known, both are at depths currently inaccessible to Ryley and yourself."
"Okay, but if some of the crew did survive what would they do?" Rainbow Dash thought she heard a tint of exasperation in the PDA's next reply.
"Standard procedure would be for the highest ranking officer to provide a rendezvous point nearby, on this planet most likely a place of dry land, and gather there. However there where no crew at the previous island." Rainbow started to slowly swim towards the lifepod, an idea forming in her head.
"But if there was another piece of dry land?"
"The Aurora is currently a radiation hotspot due to the detonation of its reactor core, the crew would not rally there." She paused just as she was starting to climb up the lifepod, now throwing a concerned look over to the wreck.
"Um, I'm not sure what radiation is, but it sounds bad, how far does that reach?"
"Prolonged exposure to nuclear radiation has multiple negative effects up to and including death."
"Oh... Should we move?"
"Current distance is sufficient protection from the radiation for now."
"Well that isn't ominous." Rainbow shook that thought away for another time and climbed up to the top of the pod, shaking the water from her wings as she looked around. "Well I wasn't talking about the Aurora any way, I meant what if there was another island, would the other survivors have gathered there?" Satisfied with the short inspection she turned her gaze to the south.
"Possibly." She grinned and crouched down wings flared.
"Good." And then she leapt from the pod and flew.
Flying in the suit was definitely more difficult, it was much heavier than her flightsuit after all and that was without the added weight of the oxygen tank. In fact the weight was a such a surprise that she nearly crashed straight back into the water before she managed to correct herself and climb up higher. But once that small hiccup was out of the way she began a steady climb.
Rainbow had crossed a few islands on the way to the mountain where she met Ryley, but most of those where very far behind them. However among those she faintly remembered seeing another island relatively close to the mountain island, though she wasn't sure exactly where it was she did have a good idea that it was somewhere west of their current position. So she flew straight up at first, stopping at about 500 metres above sea level, and cast her gaze across the sea.
Sure enough her memory was correct, to the north stood the mountain island, but to the southwest, a bit further away and surrounded by low clouds there was another island. This one didn't have a big mountain but rather two smaller mountains, more like steep hills honestly, it also looked larger in terms of space and it also didn't seem to have any massive alien structures on it. However it was hard to make out details from this distance, but it seemed to be the only other landmass she could see, with the only other noticeable sight being a rolling storm front moving in from the south. Rainbow allowed herself a small grin and she started flying straight towards it, though she did keep an eye on the storm front, which seemed to be moving towards the same Island she was. "Better make this quick." But as she started to get closer she noticed there was also something else, something she could just barely make out as she made flew closer and closer.
"Those look a bit like Ryleys base!" Sitting on top of the two hills there looked to be small structures, like pieces of Ryleys base has been taken off and planted above ground, two tubes with what looked like glass balls on the end. But as she got closer and started to come in for a landing something else started to stand out about these buildings, something much less promising.
These structures looked old, not the pristine white of his base, they where dulled, grimy, dirty, even the glass was filthy, covered in grime and hard to see through, though from what she could see there did look to be something inside. And as Rainbow Dash zeroed in, the PDA spoke up in her ear. "Picking up multiple faint energy signatures on the Island Surface."
She didn't respond , instead landing next to one, taking in the extremely rusted exterior, there was a desk inside the glass section which stuck out somewhat over the edge of the hill, probably some kind of observatory, a plant pot, and something else, what looked like a small glowing object a lot like the PDA device that Ryley held. "Probably that energy signature." A jolt of thunder to the distance reminded her of the small time limit she had, the storm wasn't big enough that she would have normally worried about it, but between the heavier load she was carrying and the fact that her usual Pegasus magic didn't seem quite as strong here, she didn't really want to try flying through the storm, nor did she relish the idea of waiting it out either.
As she made her way around to the extremely rusted door she glanced over the rest of the Island, noting the other observatory, and looking down between the two hills, a large pool, and another structure, that one looking much bigger, and also more damaged that the observatories. She also noticed with a grimace several skittering Cave Crawlers, the same creatures that had caused her so much annoyance on the mountain. "Just another reason to make this quick."
Rainbow Dash turned her attention back to the current observatory, approaching the massive but heavily rusted door she gave it a very close examination. Aside from the obvious age, it looked almost exactly the same to the doors in Ryley's base, same size, same proportions, and even, through all the muck, same colours. "PDA, did another spaceship like Ryley's crash here before the Aurora?"
"Official records indicated no, but the wreckage of other ships have been located on this planet, giving strong evidence that the Aurora is just the second most recent ship to crash here." Rainbow frowned, poking the door, noticing it wasn't budging, and then gingerly stepping past it into the dark interior of the observatory, only the dimming light from the glass and the blue glow of the tablet providing any light, giving the interior a decidedly creepy look. There where two pots with alien plants in the short corridor, and then a desk and chair with the glowing tablet sitting on top.
"But if ships have crashed here before, then why did the Aurora come here?" She slowly made her way towards the tablet, the closing storm in the distance the only thing she could see through the glass ahead.
"The Aurora was only supposed to perform a gravity slingshot around the planet towards its actual destination before it was struck down. There are no previous records of the Alien who built the defense platform and no records of any surface exploration of planet 4546B, Alterra didn't know that the Aurora could be shot down."
"But other ships have crashed here, how come no-creature came to investigate those ships?" She picked up the tablet examining it as she twirled it around in her hoof, it looked almost identical to Ryley's PDA.
"There are no records of any survivors from planet 4546B, all other crashes likely resulted in the deaths of all their crew. And planet 4546B is at the edge of Trans-System Federation space, it is not unusual for ships to go missing in such circumstances." Rainbow glared, in no particular direction, as she made her way back outside, noticing the storm moving much faster than before.
"So space ships just go missing, and no one tries to find out why?"
"Attempts would have been made, but it would also have been difficult to identify planet 4546B as the crash site. Also many of those rescue ships might have in turn, been destroyed by the defense system, and classified as lost in space." Rainbow wasn't very happy with that answer, but with the storm coming closer she resolved to put it aside for later. Probably just ask Ryley, the PDA was using a lot of word she didn't really understand, like Alterra, and besides, there where more pressing matters right now anyway.
As she slowly took off, flying back towards the lifepod indicator on her mask, she glanced back down at the tablet in her hooves, it had words on it, not that she could read them, but aside from the dull glow it didn't do very much. "What does this say?"
"Playing, prerecorded message."
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Yay! More chapters! Also a few words were spelled wrong like her and away :)
There’s an inconsistency in this chapter. In subnautica, several lost PDAs detail why the Aurora was near the planet. It had been sent to investigate the loss of the Degassi mining expidition, and to build a phase gate for easy FTL access to the planet.
I could have accepted the PDA not knowing about this as the logs not being discovered, but then the Pda stated the planet was just a waypoint, rather than the mission’s destination.
This is important because the Auora was outfitted specifically for exploration of an oceanic planet.
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The Degasi mission was a bit of a secret, not much of the crew knew about it, nor their PDA's
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The degassi mission was not a secret, one of the life pods logs is for a Mongolian ambassador accompanying the Aurora to oversee the Degassi mission.
It also fails to account for the stated goal of building a Phase gate to the planet.
Again. I can accept the PDA not knowing any of this due to it not being important for survival, but it should at least know that the planet the game takes place on was the destination of the mission, not a waypoint.
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The official stated mission of the Aurora was to build a phasegate in the system, not over the planet itself, they where only going to use it as a gravity slingshot. But a secret mission was to search the planet for the Degasi survivors, yes there was a Mongolian on the ship and yes the crew knew he was on board, but most did not know why he was on board, and he didn't really share that information, he was one of nine passengers.
The information about the Aurora's primary mission, to build a phasegate in the Ariadne Arm, is available from the very start of the game. The Auxillery side mission to search for Degasi survivors is knowledge only available once you find the right PDA's, and the databank entry detailing this side mission is found inside the Aurora, an early-mid game objective. I know this because I regularly check both the wiki and the actual game.
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Yeah. Most of the PDA's that actually mention the Degasi are IN the aurora, at least Alterra ones, some MIGHT show up in a few wrecks, but there is maybe...1 or 2? And I believe those are in more dangerous areas of the Crater that is the map for Subnautica.... As such Ryley and the PDA don't know because they haven't been to the Aurora yet. Hell, one of the PDAs actually has a recording of when they find the Gun's energy signature(just before it hits them) and the current person on deck sounds like he's telling the crewman to ERASE THE EVIDENCE so they don't need to stop.
That said, the Cyclops were on the ship BECAUSE of the secondary mission.. Otherwise there'd just be a few Seamoths(that use air for their motors, so should be able to work in space*note, not 100% certain of this*) and the PRAWN suits, which do for certain work in space, and would be used to help construct the Phasegate.
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Altera is a bureaucracy, not a conspiracy. Just because they don't tell the janitor (Riley) what the ship is doing does not mean it's a company secret.
Adding to that, it is a galactic standard practice to never reject distress calls and rescue missions. There really is no logical reason for any secrecy in doing so at all.
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But again, in the game itself, the PDA knows from the start what the primary mission is, but not about the degasi mission. Start a new game and check. You don't need to be the Illuminati or some big conspiracy government to keep secrets, big corporations keep secrets from their employees all the time.
As for why they didn't tell most of the crew in this specific case, from my guess it's because the Mongolians are competition to Alterra, a rival, and there is a data log you can find where the ambassador is talking to the crew and they aren't exactly fond of him.
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Not telling the crew about the Degassi mission and keeping it a secret are two entirely different things. Riley is the non essential systems matinence chief. His job has nothing to do with search and rescue, so he wasn’t told anything, simple enough. On the other hand, everyone who worked in the cargo bay knew that the Auora was outfitted for an extensive aquatic mission. The sea glide is not for traversing vacuums, the cyclops is exclusively a submarine, no spacesuit needs swim flippers. There’s no secret being kept, the crew simply had yet to be briefed.
Altera is a corporation, interested in making money. Keeping secrets costs money, and hiding the Degassi rescue has no evidence of reimbursing such an expense. There is simply no evidence that Altera made any effort to hide anything.
In light of all of this, the PDA having a falsified flight plan, reguardles of the Degassi mission being a secret or not, makes no sense. It reboots in surviival morde at the start of the game, and experienced a loss of data from an error while rebooting. Why would it have a fake flight plan after that?
Finally, the quarantine enforcement platform only shoots down ships trying to land. It dosn’t activate for the sunbeam until it enters the atmosphere (and you don’t pull off a gravity slingshot in an atmosphere without turning into a fireball.)
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After a bit in the fridge here's another thought I had Re-reading your stance.
The Mongolian empire and Altera are both what are known as Trans-govs, or any organization nation or company that owns at least one planet. Altera is a corporation, while the Mongolian empire is a Nation. They aren't in competition with one another. In fact, seeing as the Degassi bases exclusively use Altera tech, the Mongolian empire is likely a recurring customer. Even the sunbeam looked like it was an Altera built vessel, and it was not under Altera employ.
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Again, check the actual game and you will see the PDA knows about the primary mission but not the degasi mission.
As for the rest of your statement, Alterra is not just a corporation, it is also a nation, you can read that in the in game description of Alterra, they are classified as a Trans-gov in the PDA entry about them in game.
There are voice logs in the game where Alterra staff directly refer to the Mongolians as the competition. Also in the logs is it mentioned that many of the crew don't know why they have so much aquatic gear, nor do they know about the Degasi itself. Alterra agreed to look for the degasi entirely because the Mongolians paid them, they weren't actually expecting to even find anything it was mostly lip service. They agreed to scan the planet while they where pulling of their gravity slingshot manoeuver. All of this information is available in game and on the wiki, look it up.
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This neither changes nor contradicts my point. Just because the crew Is not informed does not mean there was any attempt at secrecy, and the aurora was already moving In for a landing at the start of the game when it was shot down.
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You made a point saying that the Mongolians aren't competition. I gave you evidence to say that yes, they are, there is a contradiction.
You say that the PDA has falsified flight plans, but if you look online, you will find that yes, the Aurora was making a gravity slingshot. And that the PDA entry about the Aurora from the start of the game says that the Aurora's mission was to build a phase gate in the ariadna arm, not over planet 4546B
This is the mission information of the Aurora you find later in the game. This openly states that the mission was to build a phasegate in the system, after 18 months of travel, when in fact a later article shows you that they arrived at 4546B at 13 months of travel. And also stresses the fact that the Alterra corporation is doing this to compete with the Mongolians. As does this next quote of a voice log you find ingame.
Here is the only article you have on your PDA at the start of the game regarding the mission.
This is a direct quote PDA article the player has access to at the start of the game, about the Aurora.
Here is a quote about the Aurora's flight path you can also find in game.
Here is the article about the mission to find Degasi survivors, only available when you find this PDA in the ship. This proves again, the flight plan to slingshot around 4546B and the fact that most of the crew don't know.
You say that the PDA should know the mission to search for the Degasi if it knows the flight plan (or in your opinion, false flight plan, which I have just proven is the real flight plan) and that the mission to search for the Degasi wasn't a secret. I have repeatedly told you that the PDA doesn't know anything about the Degasi from the start, I don't have access to the game right now, but if you start a game you will find that there are no logs about the Degasi at the start.
All of this information is available online if you just look for it. Please do some research before you make statements about that stuff.
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You had not given me evidence, you told me to look it up myself. I was unable to find anything.
You had made no attempt to prove yourself until now, finally presenting actual evidence instead of demanding I accept your side second hand.
I don't just blindly accept when people insist that they are right while asking for ME to prove for them. If someone says to "look it up," then they aren't willing to prove anything themselves.
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Can I join the conversaiton? PDA doesn't know the task. YOUR PDA doesn't know the task. You know, after losing ALL the data about submercibles, stasis rifles, base building... It has barebones primary mission, that it DIDN'T lose, and all that corrupted data also, that you can't read, online or ingame. Also, it's kinda contradicts itself. It says mission was to search and rescue? They even packed all the sea gear. Submercibles, diving suits, all that stuff. Why was the plan to simply slingshot then? Mission contradicts itself. How can you rescue if you only spin around once and go away? You can't even search properly with this kind of flight plan. My take is that they were ORDERED to search and rescue, but someone didn't want to "waste resources", and decided to stop at a surface scan. You can't really find an underwater mining crew with a surface glance.
Think, there are conflicting ORDERS, and clearly a spaceship, geared for extensive underwater exploration. Do you pack a scuba suit to just look at an ocean?
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I gave you a link to the wiki.
I didn't just say look it up yourself, I told you repeatedly where to find the evidence, that it could be found by simply starting up a game of Subnautica. Or going to the wiki that I linked for you.
You kept making false assumptions and false statements based on a lack of information, assumed they where correct without going through the effort to verify them, or find your own proof of them, and you tell me that you don't listen to people when they just demand that you accept they are right without providing evidence, when that is exactly what you where doing without ever providing me with any evidence.
I'll admit I got a bit heated and angry with those comments, but that is because I go through alot of effort to actually research this stuff, and then you kept telling me that I was wrong, without ever going through any effort of your own to do any such research.
Also for the record, looking it up is frankly a fairly good idea in general. People don't say "look it up" unless they believe that the evidence found when looking it up will support their argument. A lot of the world's problems would be solved if people took the minutes aside to "look it up."
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In a debate it is simply not my place to prove your point for you. I won't even try, because Conformation Bias will always interfere with what I find myself. Far to many people demand that they be right instead of proving it themselves.
As for me making False statements, I listed gameplay elements and cutscenes that are well known to anyone who has played the game. I made nothing up.
Wait, Riley still hasn't tried to seal off the drive core??? No wonder he hasn't gotten a prawn suit yet. I can't wait to see Rainbow's reaction to one of those. Also can't wait to see Riley having fun with the thing, or maybe getting some revenge on that Reaper. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Prawns are awesome.
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Except you started the discussion when you told me that I was wrong, you thought I was wrong but instead of taking the literal minutes aside to look it up, you jumped straight in to telling me that I was wrong. Instead of considering the possibility that you might be making a mistake or lack the information, you never made any effort to verify your own claims aside from conjecture. You started this discussion, perhaps if you do that you should be the one to consider that you might be incorrect or lack the information, and take the independent steps to find that information. Yet I as the recipient in this argument am the only one who is supposed to provide evidence?
You say far to many people demand that they are right instead of proving it themselves, you never tried to prove that you where right, you assumed it, you voiced your opinion and believed you where correct without looking at the facts.
And again, I gave you a link, I told you where to find the evidence. I wanted this to be a short discussion, so I just showed you where the evidence existed and told you how to find it. Then you ignored what I provided and continued to argue your point all without making any effort to find evidence to support your claims. Then I shoved the evidence in your face and you start telling me that I should have done that sooner when again, you started this conversation. You critisize me for not providing evidence and yet made not a single attempt to find your own evidence to prove your point.
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What conjecture is there in listing out common knowledge of the game? You don't have to go digging through the wiki to know about the seaglide or cyclops. The aurora is outfitted for an aquatic mission, and did not perform a gravity slingshot. It's the opening cutscene of the game. You don't have to dig in the wiki for any of that.
The aurora hoped to put in the bare minimum effort, but still planed for the full search and rescue mission. No effort was made in keeping secrets. When they actually detected something, they moved in to land and investigate, and got shot down.
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Except that also in the game is the knowledge that yes, the Aurora did make a slingshot manoeuver around the planet, or at least was in the process of doing so. It wasn't moving in to land when it got shot down, because that would be in the black box, which is again, in the game.
You keep insisting something didn't happen when it did happen, and the proof that it happened is in the game and available online. The common knowledge of the game is that the Aurora was performing a Slingshot manoeuver around the planet when it got shot down. But you continue to deny that and provide no evidence to prove your point.
Then you said that the Mongolians and Alterra weren't competitors, but again, the knowledge that they are competitors is available in game and is common knowledge to those who read the in game PDA's.
So acknowledging that this is common knowledge available in the game, when I tell you that the information is in the game, that is not enough, I need to show you the actual in game information, dig through a wiki to find actual quotes and show them to you. Whilst you can just say that it is common in game knowledge (which it isn't) without providing the proof.
You say that the fact that the Aurora was attempting to land is in the opening Cutscene, it is not. The opening cutscene only shows the Aurora getting shot down, it never says it was attempting to land when it did, which again, you would know if you took the literal minutes to google and watch the Cutscene. And since I am the only one here who apparently needs to ever provide any proof, here it is.
You don't just make conjecture, you say things that are factually incorrect and make no attempts to investigate or prove those points. But of course it is okay for you to say all these things without proof but if I ever want to counter your argument, I have to go to a wiki and directly quote PDA entries from the game to you.
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The slingshot maneuver was aborted, otherwise the aurora would have never been in range of the gun, as seen with the Sunbeam.
The log that you say lists the Mongolians as competitors has one crewmember explaining why they are NOT competitors.
Claiming I've offered no evidence when I use the evidence you provide is hardly fair.
The opening cuisine is not obscure lore, the aurora is clearly in atmosphere, because you can hear the gun fire, and impact You don't perform a slingshot in atmosphere, that reduces ships to slag from friction.
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Saying it was aborted is entirely conjecture, there is no proof of that, the Sunbeam was not the Aurora, it was a much smaller ship, likely wasn't detected until it got closer because of that. Never in the entire game do we get any logs that say the manoeuver was aborted.
In the command bridge log you speak of he never says that they aren't competition, just why they are doing this, in another log that I have already quoted you there are statements that the Alterra are building this phasegate specifically to outmaneuver Mongolian corporation's.
You don't hear the gunshot, you hear the explosion caused by the hull breach that was already created. The ship is very clearly already damaged as evidence by the alarms at the start of the cutscene.
You hadn't presented any evidence, until that most recent comment you hadn't even directly referred to evidence at all, which is exactly what you criticized me for earlier.
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Thee gun has a distinct base sound when it fires, heard both when you watch it shoot the sunbeam, and in the opening cutscene.
Cabal : the contrived schemes of a group of persons secretly united in a plot (as to overturn a government) also : a group engaged in such schemes
Altera is a single corporation, the Mongolian empire, is not. The game lists the Mongolian corporations in plural.
The ambassador is just that, an ambassador, representing a Government, not a company.
The Mongolian empire is home to smaller companies that would like to compete with Altera, but the empire itself had contracted Altera for the Degassi mission instead.
As for not providing evidence, why do I need to prove the Auora is outfitted for an aquatic mission? it was common knowledge among the crew. You told me to provide your evidence for you. I never asked you to find mine.
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Except you can also clearly hear both the ship alarm and onboard explosions at the very start of the cutscene, indicating that the ship has already been damaged, not to mention they wouldn't be telling the crew to abandon ship just because of an unknown energy spike, which is what the gun would be before it hits thrm. The sound that comes just before the explosion is similar I will grant you, but whether it is the same is up to interpretation and even if it is the same, that still doesn't account for the fact that again, the ship is already damaged.
As for the cabal, it doesn't have to overthrowing the government, just be a secret faction. a small group of people who plan secretly to take action, especially political action
The overthrow the government part is just an example. Add to that the fact that the Alterrans clearly don't like or trust the Mongolians, as evidenced by this interaction.
There is a very clear distinction between the Mongolians and the Alterrans, with the fact that the Alterrans survey this conversation as soon as the word religion is said, to the way both Jochi and the crew use the terms to differentiate each other and the very clear dislike one another.
Then if we look back at the PDA entry of Alterra corporation, which I have already provided. This specifically refers to the Alterra corporation as a Trans Gov, and refers to it as a nation giving it a national motto, direct references to it being a state and having a national government. They are seperate governments and they are Cleary in competition.
Going back to the evidence, I did not tell you to find my evidence, I said where the proof was and where you could find it whilst referencing it myself, giving you a source through the which my points where proved, this was done to verify their credibility, much like any sourcing is done. It is common knowledge that the Aurora had aquatic equipment but I never questioned that. My disagreement was with both the route the Aurora took and the knowledge the crew had about it, as well as the statements about the Alterrans and Mongolians. Which are facts that you never took steps to verify. These are not just common facts these are details that I told you repeatedly aren't true, and then told you where the correct information was.
I said check the game, that is a completely neutral and unbiased source which we know for the purpose of this argument is completely and factually true. I then also said check the wiki, which is another neutral source though granted, there is not a 100% garuntee that it is true, but the odds are still very high. You then criticized me for not providing evidence beforehand, whilst never providing proof yourself about your claims that Alterra isn't a nation, about the Route the Aurora took, and the crews knowledge.
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Again, it's not about any refusal to provide evidence on either my or your part, you instructed me to find your proof, while I never asked you to look anything up for me.
The opening cutscene starts after the ship is shot, naturally, and depicts the aurora getting shot a second time. What it does establish is that the ship is already in atmosphere, as sound can't travel in a vacuum. The Aurora is much bigger than the Sunbeam and Degassi, (the sunbeam's crew says they are to small to pick up a high estimate of survivors, and the Degassi had a crew of six.) The second shot is within atmosphere, but what we need is the first. When the sunbeam is shot down we get a clear visual on the QEF's firing cycle. It begins prepping just before the sunbeam confirms a visual on the player. Shortly after, the sunbeam is visible, and is shot.
Now, the sunbeam being smaller than the aurora likely contributed to it getting closer to landing before being shot, but the important bit is time elapsed. Deorbiting spacecraft is a complicated process, it takes a dedicated burn opposite the orbital path to slow down a spacecraft. The faster the craft, the longer the burn, and if a craft tried to deorbit in the middle of a slingshot in a damaged state, it is unlikely to survive. Looking at the aurora itself, it has only a single bank of thrusters. An object of that size and inertia would be impossible to turn around mid slingshot before it escaped the planet's gravity. in the ending cutscene, the slingshot takes only a few seconds, limiting the time even further.
All of this comes together to suggest that the aurora was trying to land when it was shot, as otherwise it's own inertia would have sent the wreck careening off into deep space, or sent it moving too fast for it to be physically possible to safely launch any escape pods. Neither the Auora nor the escapee pods were incinerated by friction, meaning that the ship could only have been moving at speeds safe for reentry, not slingshoting.
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I never instructed you to find my evidence, nor to prove it for me, I referenced the evidence, and told you where it was. I told you what the evidence told me and provided you with the information to verify said evidence if you didn't believe me, if that's good enough for bloody university essays it should be good enough for an internet argument. Then you criticize me for not providing evidence when again, I was sourcing it. Then you said and I quote;
Again, I had not just told you to look it up, I had provided you with the place to look it up, I told you where the evidence was, how you where unable to find anything is frankly beyond me given how it takes literal minutes to find this stuff, but oh well.
You have also said things that are untrue and incorrect;
This is untrue, whether or not the Aurora was coming down for a landing when it was shot, the flight plan at the very least, was to perform a gravity slingshot maneuver. This is a fact that I have proven and have provided multiple direct quotes for, this is information you could have known had you independently verified your own beliefs, but you did not, you simply decided to say that I was wrong, based entirely on your own conjectures about the flight plan.
You also stated that it, and I quote;
Except again, as I have proved via several quotes of evidence, that the plan was to build the Phasegate after 18 months of travel, and they where supposed to arrive at planet 4546B after 13 months, makes this also untrue. Again, this is information you would have known had you looked it up, you did not.
Hearing the explosions at the start doesn't mean the ship is in a vacuum, after all the inside of the ship is not a vacuum so sound would travel inside the ship. We never see it get shot, we only hear an explosion accompanied by a sound that does granted, sound somewhat similar to the firing of the gun (but is equally likely not the same). We don't know how much time has passed since it was shot. Of course if we look at the evidence I have already provided you, from the Aurora Black Box;
This clearly states, that the ship was shot before it entered atmosphere. Whether that works in the real world is not actually all that relevant since a) this is scifi and thus presents a lot of unknowns in regards to the technical capabilities of the ship, and b) subnautica is unfortunately not a 100% realistic game, there are actually quite a few plot holes when you examine it.
All the evidence in the game, says the Aurora was shot down whilst it was performing a slingshot maneuver, real world physics aside, that is how it is described in the game. That it what is presented in game, there are no details in the game that indicate it was coming down for a landing, aside from a biased reading of circumstantial evidence (you yourself admitted to the existence of Confirmation Bias). The in game evidence also still points to the fact that the Alterra Corporation is a Trans-Gov nation in competition with the Mongolian States, and that at the very least, Ryley and his PDA did not know about the Degasi side mission. That is what all the information from the game says, and I have already provided the evidence and quotes for you to go back and read them if you wish.
Here is the link to all the Databank entries in Subnautica if you don't believe me, you have to scroll down to Operation logs for the Black Box but its all there.
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To so blatantly contradict yourself immediately is why we keep doing this.
You told me vaguely that there was evidence instead of simply presenting it until forced to.
You didn't source properly, so guess what, it's not good enough for university.
At least until making this point did you finally directly and unambiguously present actual evidence instead of saying it existed. Still...
That had to be dragged out of you kicking and screaming,
Naturally, hearing explosions from the ship while in the lifepod means the ship is in atmosphere, although I think you meant to say, 'not in a vacuum,' which hearing anything in a vacuum is impossible.
It also states that the distress signal was sent before any impact was detected. Altera ships have been known to send distress signals for minor inconveniences, but a mysterious energy surge does not quite fit that.
Now here's something you missed.
Suggesting that, yes indeed, the aurora was shot twice.
And here, you insist that counterevidence is not needed to the fact that the aurora has no means of reversing thrust to both abort a slingshot maneuver that takes seconds and decelerate fast enough to safely enter planetary atmosphere after being shot.
The aurora's black box contains no timestamps, which allows for time to elapse between aborting a slingshot to investigate the energy surge, and the aurora being shot.
And here's an inconsistency in the black box data. The opening gives very little time between Riley's lifepod launch and the second shot, however there is no indication of a transition between vacuum and atmosphere present. Wind is audible immediately following the launch.
One commonly cited 'error' is that Riley can withstand significant depths unharmed. The game actually accounts for this in two parts. The default suit is specifically stated to be capable of supporting it's wearer in environments of extremely high and low pressure, and the rebreather mask further helps it's user in extreme depths by allowing the wearer to breathe as normal under extreme pressure.
Incorrect, the blackbox data contains continuity errors and lacks timestamps, and the opening cutscene contradicts what the blackbox recorded.
The opening cutscene shows an aurora that is not traveling at slingshot speeds. This is not circumstantial, this is fact. It is not conjecture. It is what the player sees. a slingshot is accomplished by using both gravity and ship propulsion to accelerate, and the game shows that in universe, FTL systems are used during slingshots.
From scanning the energy core in the QEP
The QEP's maximum range is planetary orbit, and it's startup sequence is too slow to hit a ship attempting a FTL slingshot.
That same evidence also states that the two are heavily reliant on one another, weather they like it or not. Altera needs the raw resources the Mongolians provide, and the Mongolians use Altera tech.
The opening cutscene is hardly circumstantial. The aurora is not traveling at slingshot speed.
And if your only counterpoint to my analysis is to decide it's just potholes shows an inability to further support your stance.
In the end yes, my opening statement about the what the PDA knows at the start was incorrect, however, the game provided an explanation for this with the data corruption the PDA has on rebooting.
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Wait, so providing you a link to the wiki and telling you that it is available by starting up the game is vague?
And now you want to take that comment in the most literal fashion? It was referring to the fact that I told you where the information was. Did you want me to source in Chicago Style or APA?
I was trying to give you a chance to just look at the evidence through the link provided to avoid a long conversation, obviously I was too subtle.
See that's why I got myself an editor for the main story, but I'm glad to see you're going to be pointing at typos now, gotta dig real deep.
But after the high velocity energy pulse directed at the ship.
I wonder, would hitting a planet count as a massive impact? It is a bit unusual that it had to include the word massive there, does the gun have different power settings perhaps?
No reverse thrust as best as you can tell, those where the words you used beforehand.
Also while there aren't timestamps it still seems unlikely that the Black box wouldn't include that little tiny detail of a landing sequence seeing as it included literally everything else.
So now that you have been presented with the evidence you decide that the evidence is incorrect, that's a fascinating line of thought.
Also the fact that the Aurora was undergoing an 18 months travel compared to the hours of the escape ship seems to imply they have different methods of travel for the ships. Perhaps the size causes issues problems, but FTL is specifically accomplished by phasegates in the Subnautica universe. Maybe it was the experimental power source that allowed the boosted speed, or maybe the developers just thought it would be a cool sequence.
It never says the max range is planetary orbit, just that the shot can be curved in atmosphere, if it's that powerful it isn't a huge leap to assume it has a slightly greater range. Also orbit doesn't mean atmosphere, the moon is in earth's orbit, but not atmosphere, and the earth is in the sun's orbit, but thankfully not anywhere close to the actual surface.
That doesn't preclude them from being rivals, nor does it discount the highly tense interaction between the ambassador and the crew.
Except I've already shown that the opening cutscene isn't it being shot down, which means it isn't evidence. I have plenty more counterpoints to your argument as shown in this response.
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It’s simply more courteous to present evidence directly instead of giving out a roadmap, especially where lore is concerned.
I prefer to focus more on game footage, while you dig into the lore.
Physics can answer this one. The QEP weapon’s payload has mass to it, allowing the weapon to arc it’s fire around the planet. Shooting at something in high orbit would have less impact than shooting a ship that had just breached atmosphere. And shooting a ship point blank (like the sunbeam) would result in significant disintegration. The Auora had several room assemblies carved out of it, but the main hull landed largely in one piece.
The wreckage scattered in the playable area would have more likely landed in their in game state if they were not cut out during orbit, but rather after entering the atmosphere.
As for the idea of the second impact being the landing, that creates another unlogged event for the black box; The explosion from the Auora that is witnessed from the top hatch of the lifepod. This blast was preceded by the sound that we can agree matches the QEP’s weapon.
Yes, and? Are you going to show any evidence that there was a means of reverse thrust, or are you just going to assume one exists by conjecture?
Or can you list anything from the game stating the aurora had reversing thrusters? My examination found none, but you can not assume they exist anyway.
We are analyzing two accounts of a single event, looking for contradictions. You insist there are none, I believe they do exist. You insist the black box is the most accurate account, I am focusing on events the player witnesses real-time. Did you honestly not realize that this whole time?
Except that you only offered a theory instead of proof see above where it was counteranalyzed using physics, and game audio.
In addition, the captain’s final communication ended thusly:
The captain is attempting a controlled descent, and is cut off immediately by an explosion. In the opening cutscene, the Aurora experiences an explosion well before it crashes, and after it was shot. This blast is preceded by the sound from the QEP weapon.
Now for the most part, I’ve been focusing on the opening, which only covers the middle of the black box data. Let’s go closer to the beginning.
The two crew members are blaming each other for an error that cost the aurora time. The dialogue is directly referring to the attempt at scanning the planet. The slingshot was attempted, the scans were faulty, and while officer Keen certainly does not want any excuse to land, he’s not about to present a botched survey to the ambassador. (The two crewmen are aware of the Degassi mission by the way) they moved the aurora closer to the planet (this is not in the black box data) and the audio log ends with the scanner picking something off. The audio recording ends with Keen ordering the recorder turned off. This could either be the scanner or audio recording, but neither one really changes what happens next, the aurora is shot by the QEP. They were discussing redoing the scans after aborting the slingshot and moving into a lower orbit, thus the Aurora was not mid slingshot when it was shot down.
On the Mongolian side of things, while relationships are tense, Altera is not about to simply not do the job at all. They need proof the work was done, they need proof they were capable, they need crew members to corroborate both of these, thus the Degassi mission simply could not be kept secret if they want to get paid.
Finally the case for FTL. If phase gates were the only FTL system in the subnautica universe, human expansion would be limited to sublight speeds. It would take years to travel between neighboring stars, and the fuel required starts to present problems for the square cube law.
The auora’s Mission covers significantly more light years than could be covered in a human lifetime, while the escape ship (altera tech) demonstrates clear FTL capabilities. No battery can propel a ship past light speed on it’s own. The setting needs FTL tech in addition to phase gates for the story to function, and demonstrates that tech in the ending.
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We can infer that the massive impact is the ship hitting the planet because that is the same time it records the drive core shielding being compromised, and as the following databank says;
This indicates the drive core was comprised after the crash, which indicated the massive impact is with the planet as that is when the Black Box records the drive core shielding being damaged.
I will admit, having read your points you have convinced me that there was a second shot, the captain log recording does about confirm that. However that does not mean the Aurora was approaching the planet surface when it was first shot, nor that the original flight plan wasn't to Slingshot, because again if we look back at the original orders to examine the Degasi.
This indicates that both the plan was always to perform the slingshot manoeuver, and that it is capable of scanning the planet during this slingshot manoeuver. There is also this part;
Which is the information available on the PDA at the start of the game regarding the crash. Also the guns entry says it can fire at ships in orbit. So at the very least even if the ship entered atmosphere before it was shot, the PDA didn't know about it, or the Degasi mission. And this conversation started when you said the PDA shouldn't have a false flight plan to gravity slingshot from orbit, which is in fact, the actual flight plan and just about the only thing the PDA knows about the Aurora crash from the start.
But nor can we assume it doesn't exist, there is not enough evidence either way, especially as most of the ship is underwater and large parts buried in the ground.
But they don't need the entire crew for that, just senior crew to verify that fact, like the crew working on the bridge.
In the Aurora's mission it is stated;
They travel to the last phasegate in three months, through hundreds of different phasegates, but from the last phasegate to the nearest star system it takes 18 months. This indicates that phasegates are the only means of FTL in game, or at least efficient FTL.
As an aside I'd like to apologize for the hostile tone I have been taking, you caught me in a bad mood and things escalated from there but that was needlessly petty and for that I am sorry.
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Don't worry, I've got it covered, here. It IS taken from the game. As we all can see, Aurora has several reverse thrusters on it's „underbelly”, so they DO exist.
Actually... There was only a single shot. That other explosion was caused by the fact that by the time that Riley's lifepod is launched Aurora was already hit and falling towards the planet, you know, falling ship+a LOT of fire and holes(oh and a lot of small explosions)=a lot of big explosions. As you can hear here Dark Matter reactor exploding sounds exactly like that one in the beginning of the game. Oh and that explosion in the Capital's log? It's the same one.
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You say physics... I will use your argument then, when does the game state that the QEP was a kinetic weapon? It needs to be kinetic to work like that, but funny thing is that Precursors liked energy ones more. QEP's gun is an energy weapon. So unless you just rewrote physics...
Hmm, I wonder... Why Aurora wasn't completely obliterated, by your own(wrong) admission it was already in the atmosphere when it was shot down, I think that the fact Aurora is (mostly) intact has nothing to do with distance but other small, tinylittle detail. Size, Aurora was one of the biggest and most advanced starships that was ever launched, Sunbeam was... well some small ship capable of only carrying few people.
You see, when a big ship falls from orbit, burning and exploding through the entire time it's fragments fall off all the time, it also had to, you know... PASS THROUGH THE ATMOSPHERE so I personally would be worried if no wreckage fell off the ships during THAT.
Aaaaaaand if it really WAS shot down in the atmosphere then answer this one simple question... What is THAT? (fragment when rocket hits orbital debris, ORBITAL DEBRIS, how could there be any orbital debris if the Aurora was shot down in the atmosphere?)
Well, then it IS a lucky thing that my examination did found those, and it only took playing this game several months ago.
He ordered them to turn BOTH, scanner and the audio recording, it is also important why he would do that, you see(bold words) Alterra wasn't expecting to find anything there. They just wanted some free money, if they found the Degasi Aurora would need to scan the planet few more times, unload equipment, actually search for the Degasi crewmembers all that stuff, it would take some time, probably only few weeks, maybe few months at most, but it would still leave them behind schedule, Alterra is both a government and company, they want profit (they charge Riley for all stuff he used while being on the planet), no one(who knew about secondary mission) wanted to really do it, taking one scan? Okey, but actually doing something? It would waste time, money and resources. And that's why he ordered them to stop the recording, no recording=no proof that they found something, he was probably planning to tell the captain and delete scans and the recording before replacing them with falsified ones, I wouldn't be surprised if he was ordered to do it by the Alterra itself.
About Subnatica universe FTL, and you talking about the Aurora not travelling at the „slingshot speed” well... Obviously they are not, for one they were just starting to slingshot around the planet and their ship is burning...
(damn it, now I feel dirty for using that *in disgusted voice* pony emote). Oh and as shown in the ending cutscene, their regular FTL works on a principle of entering some sort of different dimension.
And for the final Subnatica lessons with Professor Amadi
i.redd.it/7age755yj69x.png (it's not my game, just picture from the Internet.) Well kids, this is Subnatica's loading screen, can you tell me where is it right now?
Yes you are right, obviously it's in the space falling towards the planet.
https://youtu.be/Rz2SNm8VguE Do you see where is this ship at the beginning? Yes again correct, it is also in the space falling towards the planet.
P.S. I apologize for any mistakes but I'm writing this on my tablet and autocorrect doesn't want to stop "correcting" my words.
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Those look nothing like thrusters, and if they were, they would propel the ship unevenly, making it do little more than spin in a big circle. Those like more like intake vents.
The Aurora's drive core explosion lacks the particular bass sound of the gun firing heard in the intro, the captain's log, and the destruction of the sunbeam. Please review what you are trying to disprove.
Again, you need to review what you are trying to disprove;
Simply put, the QEP states it relies on gravity as part of it's firing cycle. Even if it is a "Pure Energy" weapon, energy and mass are the same thing IRL
And here is where you have tipped your hand into revealing the truth of your efforts. You simply went TLDR and started acting contrarian to dredge up a resolved debate.
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For instance, we were all well aware of the difference in size between the ships, so don't act like it's some revelation you are presenting to us.
See, you TLDR, you fail to understand that we were examining the evidence of there being two shots, which your attempt to disprove was rather lackluster.
A picture of unidentifiable slots, and no official text explaining what they are. Hardly concrete evidence, it's a guess at best, and a poor one at that.
Again, you show your tendency to TLDR, we were examining the first shot, the characters' motives are irrelevant to that.
There is... so much wrong with your reasoning in this paragraph.
Your tone suggests disagreement, but your text fails to disagree with my stance.
How so? All I see is a particle effect that says FTL, No means on how. And again, how exactly is this meant to disagree with anything?
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It is abundantly clear you are not a Brony. What are you even doing here. Stop wasting everyone's time.
And leading back into your overwhelming tendency for TLDR, again, Two shots.
The trailer uses the captain's communication with Officer Keen. The one that takes place post launch of the lifepods. According to the black box (flawed as it is) the aurora was in atmosphere after the lifepods launched.
Also, that's a lot of GASS billowing around the aurora in the trailer.
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There was only a single shot, as shown here (1:00-1:05) energy beam from QEP sounds completely different than the explosion, you don't hear this one in both the Captain log and starting cutscene.
I need to say, You are right I was one wrong here, there was supposed to be a probably in there, damn tablet ate it. Though that still
It was also supposed to disagree with this.
No FTL in real space=ship doesn't need to go at „slingshot speed”.
Though, answer my question and I will immediately change my opinion, if they ARE actually using FTL in the real space, than want it IS that particle effect? Because I personally don't remember space looking like that even at high speeds.
Guilty as charged.
Fun thing, ship seen at the beginning of the trailer is actually the Degasi(it's clearly not Aurora with it's shape being completely different). Second thing yes, that is Gas but as you said earlier, we can't assume anything, so who is to say that the Degasi wasn't already hit few minutes ago?
Black Box being flawed? Why do you think so? No really there is nothing to suggest it is wrong.
As seen in four last logs everything is actually chronological.
They initiated the slingshot maneuver, gun fired, Aurora detected beam flying towards the ship, sent distress signal, the ship was hit with the beam, captain took manual control, lifepods were launched, Aurora exploded, entered atmosphere and hit the ground. Just as it happened in the game, please present me with a proof that this black box is wrong somewhere.
Oh... Also about those thrusters, if Aurora has no reverse ones then I would also like to know why would they even try to enter the atmosphere, since as you yourself said, it takes time to turn around ship that big, so how would they slow down enough for ship to be not ripped apart if they had no thrusters? Did they tried to crash it? Actually now that I think about it if Aurora has no other thrusters than it's main ones then it wouldn't be even atmosphere capable, now that I look at it I really don't think that Aurora was capable of even entering planets atmospheres. Sunbeam had those four thrusters on it's „belly” and Aurora(now that I look at the poster you are again correct) has none.
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1) That is the sunbeam, not the Aurora. the destruction of the Sunbeam and Aurora are separate events, and while we can compare them, we can not assume that the QEP handles every ship the same way, and the QeP's energy core data log further reinforces this.
2) The explosion is not the sound of the gun firing. The sound of the gun precedes the explosion. Again, please fully read what you are trying to disprove.
At 3:18 - Immediately BEFORE the explosion, a deep Bass buzz.
At 0:18 - Immediately BEFORE the explosion, a deep Bass buzz.
Do you really not hear this?
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Again your thought process is confusing...
I can't get a firm grasp on what you are trying to convey here. You agree with me that the Aurora is not performing a FTL slingshot in the opening, but trying to say it like you want to disagree? The opening and ending are, again, two separate events. They can be compared for data on the standards for a planetary slingshot as it is performed in the game's universe, but they must not be treated identically.
Name one sci-fi media that doesn't have a fancy visual effect for FTL. A setting lacking FTL does not count.
Also, a small glossary of the most common explanations of FTL in fiction:
Teleportation/Portals: as seen in Stargate, and Subnautica's own Phasegates. simple Point to Point movement, no travel time.
Spacewarping: Star Trek's preferred method, instead of ship moving through space, the ship moves space around itself. (a side effect of this method is that the ship is also traveling back in time, as seen in the original series film, 'the voyage home,' and in the new continuity film.)
A ship using Spacewarping does not leave realspace, but can avoid smaller obstacles. they have to take care to not fly through a planet or star, but dust and debris are deflected by the warp field.
Anti-Mass: as seen in the Mass Effect series, an object's mass is artificially lowered, allowing it to bypass the limits of the laws of gravity and inerta. Ships stay completely in realspace.
Hyperspace: As seen in Warhammer 40K, Star wars, and so many others, this is a ship completely leaving it's local timespace for an alternate dimension. this one ships leave realspace, and don't have to worry about anything that might have been on their route. Still, it is important to have a clear path ahead of the ship for both jumping out and falling in.
Subnautica's FTL alternative (aside from the Phasegates) is either Anti Mass, or Spacewarping. Both of these interact with realspace, and the ending shows a FTL slingshot. (For reference, the world of Subnautica is an earthlike aquatic planet (similar mass and gravity), and the International Space Station takes 92 minutes to orbit at a low earth orbit. the slingshot in the ending is significantly quicker than that.)
The Auroa is stated to have a 'Drive Core' that experiences a 'Quantum Detonation.' It's mostly Technobabble, but with a strong implication of a FTL system.
You have never been to space, don't even try to act like you have real life experience.
But the ship at the END of the trailer IS the Aurora, (in atmosphere) when you used the trailer as evidence of the Aurora being in a vacuum.
simply put, this does nothing to support your stance. We were never talking about how The Degassi crashed at all. Again, they are two separate events that can be compared, but must not be treated as identical.
Yet again you show that you tend to TLDR.
1) No timestamps.
2) Distress signal sent before first impact logged.
3) Missing events from the log, either the second shot, or the actual touchdown. DenyTheWitch and I have discussed this at length. They agree that there were two shots, Keen's log with the captain and the opening of the game being the primary factors. If the second logged impact was planetfall, it leaves the second shot out of the blackbox log. If the second impact was the second shot, it leaves planetfall out of the Blackbox log.
Examining the shot on the sunbeam, it's possible for the human eye to track the leading edge of the shot. (Further weakening the idea that it is a 'pure energy' or 'laser' weapon.) If the Aurora was performing a slingshot at the time of the shot, they would likely escape long before the QEP shot reached them. However:
indicates they performed a botched slingshot, and must redo the scan. They have not yet innated the maneuver when the weapon fires, thus the Aurora is a sitting duck. They give no mention to there being any danger in that log, Keen has made it clear that he want's a good scan with no results.
The QEP's weapon is slow enough to track visually, but too fast for a ship to reasonably react in the time it takes for someone to see the shot.
See, this is EXACTLY the kind of hole you dig yourself when you TLDR. You are trying to disagree with me, and yet you demonstrate you know little of what I am saying. My stance is that the Aurora was shot down from a normal orbit, not that you knew that, as you try to argue with me by restating my own stance.
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Where does it even suggests that they already scanned the planet even once? You just ASSUMED that the planet was already scanned, if we were to assume anything then log actually clearly leans toward the fact that it is their first scan. And where does it say that they botched slingshot? It could've been anything else.
Again with those foul assumptions, how do you know that I never was in space? While correctly, you are still just guessing. But back on the topic, space probes, space ships, and all that other fun stuff exists for a reasons, like... Taking pictures so normal people's can see space.
1) No timestamps: Few of the last logs does indeed have timestamps.
2) As your earlier said: QEP beam is slow enough to follow with a human eye
this is Aurora detecting that green energy beam of death that they have no defense against flying towards them, few seconds is more than enough for our current computers to detect something, ship's computer simply sent distress signal few seconds quicker than the speed of QEP energy beam was flying towards them, thus you have your flawed entry...
3)No second shot would mean that: Impact detected was the first one, massive impact detected=Aurora hitting the ground after falling from the orbit.
Crew logs have too low sound quality to use them as evidence, personally I didn't hear that "bass" sound and I checked it on several devices with different headphones and speakers.
I never said that the explosion is the sound of gun firing, I simply stated that sound of explosion should've been preceded by the sound of gun firing. Evidence from the game states that the sound of gun firing precedes the explosion, unless proven otherwise you can't just state that because it's different ship or ”mode of gun” it would sound different. If you have any proof of that from the game then please show me it.
Wait... You were?!
Noooooo, Surely you are just joking right? ...Right?
You are not? Let me remind you then.
Here you said that it was decelerating to land, but without any reverse thrusters they would never land, ship of this size with only main thrusters on it's back? They would splat on the ground.(or water in this case).
But continuing...
Sooooo, you were saying something about it being shot in the orbit?
Also... About Ken wanting to do that scan correctly... What have you that idea? He himself states that it's just free leave and meal paid by the Mongolians Alterra is doesn't employ people's who draw about anything... Really have you heard that log unlocking Neptune rocket? Or the moment when they tell your character to pay for all resources used on 4546B or he won't get landing permission?
Alterra would never lose so many credits that expedition to the planet would cost.
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Sometimes in a discussion, it is important to take a step back to calm down and take a deep breath. I did this with DenyTheWitch because we had reached a satisfactory resolution to our discussion and we both learned more about the game in the process. I wanted to take time before summarizing a final interpretation that fully fit into what we knew.
And then you showed up.
You, enrage me. You serve only to reignite a flame war that never happened. You are either unwilling or incapable of holding any information within the context it was received. Your attempts to disprove anything have been failures of logic, and what you can not disprove, you either deny it exists, or you try to recontextualize outside the context of the discussion as it happened.
You are either a moron, or a troll. Given the fact that you admit to not being a brony, the latter is far more likely.
I want to see the best in people, that's why I challenged DenyTheWitch the way I did. I got them to really examine what they knew and really think about the lore. You, on the other hand, can't even keep your own facts straight. I can only see the worst of you, and that sickens me. You have no desire to learn, you are only here to cause trouble for people who enjoy something you clearly hate. What a pathetic excuse. Unlike you, I find no joy in talking down to others. I get into arguments wanting to be proven wrong, not to just be told to accept something the way it is. DenyTheWitch, was capable of dong this. You can't even be bothered to review what you were trying to disprove.
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Why, so you are one of those, when I gave you a proof and pointed out your errors you immediately start to call me a troll. Because most of your proofs were only assumptions (that I'm not allowed to make).
Moron and troll... Meh, I'm pretty sure that I'm not trolling anyone, I just like a good Subnatica story even if it involves ponies.
As for moron... Well
So after I pointed out errors in your argument you are either calling me stupid or mentally ill... I don't know if I should feel insulted or start laughing. (I'm pretty sure that I wasn't diagnosed with any mental illness).
Moron also equals idiot with is
Come on, if you want to insult me, pleas at least try to do it correctly.
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You gave no proof, you found no errors. Anything you've said during this discussion was either completely wrong, or had already been discussed with DenyTheWitch.
Assumption, you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. An assumption is a baseless guess. One made without consideration of the facts. I have made no assumptions. I analyze the evidence found and provided to get a clearer understanding, something that you have proven consistently unwilling or incapable of. Again, you are either unwilling or incapable of holding anything in the proper context, and you either disbelieve or outright deny evidence provided. You have made it clear that discussing anything with you is pointless. You can't even be bothered to read the entire conversation you butted into.
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No, I did read your entire conversation. Most of your arguments were assumptions and guesses, like black box was wrong because there was no second shot in it and because there were no time stamps on those logs here you just assumed that black box was wrong. Well last four entries actually DO have time stamps and they show that those entries are chronological.
In my your case you said that I assumed things when using quotes from game and game wiki, in my case I say that you make assumptions because that's all you do here, you literally used material from the game only a few times.
Please... Actually use arguments, show me undeniable proof that there were two shots and that Aurora wasn't shot in the orbit instead of saying that I assumed things and my arguments were false. Because really it starts to get boring.
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You deny the proof I gave, dismissing analysis as assumptions. Why should I repeat myself further when you are too blind to see it. I have accepted that you are incapable of intelligent conversation, and see little reason trying to convince one as oblivious as yourself. You don’t want the truth, you want reality to conform to your private little bubble.
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And again with insults, you know... I could actually say the same about YOU, calling me stupid because you are incapable of understanding that your ”proofs” were mostly assumptions and guesses with a bit of lies and describing things as you want them to be.
You know... I could argue with you for a lot more of time but now you are just insulting me in your every post and it is starting to spam in the comments section so... Yeah I will ignore you until you try to say something really really stupid as I don't think that author would appreciate us simply filling the comment section with insulting each other.
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I never lie, nor do I assume. Go ahead and keep verifying my observations of your delusions; What you can not argue, you simply ignore.
I liked this story so far and hope to find new chapters soon.
It's well enough written - though some typos or wrong tenses here and there it's not too bad to distract from the story.
However, I hope that you, DenyTheWitch, don't plan to follow the story of the game to the letter as you have hinted on. It would get boring since I think most who read this know it and that's basically a huge spoiler.
This is why I also question why It is necessary to have such huge discussions over some details of the Subnautica universe. You don't need to get it absolutely right, the author is allowed to make adjustments and re-interpretations to make it more to their liking and to fit the story - at least to me it's just the general feel of the universe and the world that's important. To be honest I'd actually welcome some plot twists.
For instance. I liked the idea in "Subnautica: A Sparkle in the Deep" that there is magic in the precursor technology (and I assume the whole race). It's a nice expansion of the original universe. Not that it has to be like that in this story.
Sure it can be helpful to discuss, but the tone here feels somewhat destructive - though I confess to not have read all the comments, just the gist of them - I try to avoid drama and am more interested in the plot of the story.
Anyway, in the hope of reading more chapters. I'll like and track :)
Just wanted to let you know that I'm quite enjoying the story so far! And I do appreciate the effort you put in to research the game wail writing. Keep up the great work! Though don't overwork yourself.
Sincerely, Guardian Blade.
*Laughs in Ghost Leviathan*
Maybe other survived, can meet with them and stay at base to constantly keep water and food supplies up?