Just your average Brony who happened upon an idea that might actually turn out to be clever enough for guys to love.
Yo! Rainbow Dash here! Princess Rainbow Dash now! They stuck me with the Alicorn name Princess Fidelitas Equestria, but Rainbow Dash still works. Apparently I'm the Princess of Loyalty and Breaking Cycles. And now I have a battle to win, against everything I've gotta win! Get ready for a big fight the likes of which you've never seen!
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I think lack of ability to regret is impossible. Caring about your mistakes is regret. If you can't regret you can't care about your mistakes and if you can't care about your mistakes then you can't care how they affect others and if you don't have that then your feelings towards them are hollow
7707766
You never read (or saw) Last Unicorn did you?
7707791 nope
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The unicorn in the story admits that as an immortal, she can't feel regret, "I can feel sorrow, but it's not the same thing."
7707911 well, I'd probably say the same thing to that plot point and put the book down for good if that was a key plot point. Cause it sounds like pure BS to me. Or really worthless emotions.
"oh, so you're sorry that I broke my leg, but what? you wouldn't go back and change that happening if you could? Well considering you're the reason I broke it how bout you take that sorrow and shove it up your ass."
7708049
Feeling guilt and and feeling regret are not the same thing.
7708056 well if sorrow and guilt are not regret then I think the definition that's being used is to narrow to be anything viable
7708061
"Regret is the ability to wish you didn't do something and want to take it back, and the gods actually have the POWER to do so, so the temptation to undo their mistakes rather than learn from them is why they can't feel regret and HAVE to face the consequences of their actions."
And why is this so important to you?
7708061
IE, guilt is feeling bad for what you did and wanting to make amends, while regret is wanting to TAKE THOSE ACTIONS BACK or say 'I wish I'd done something different'.
So Gods can't feel regret so they aren't tempted to go back in time and fix their mistakes rather than FACE them, but CAN feel guilt and want to fix them in the PRESENT. Basically to keep reality from becoming a self contradicting mess.
This is the best one yet. By far. The looping timeline was just asking for a visit, and its always nice to see the SAAoA.
7708072 because for me regret is one of the key components of empathy. If you can look back on something and not regret the negative consequences of an action then what makes you try to avoid them in the future? And if you say sorrow what about if the actions you feel sorrow for one person made you feel happiness for fifty? When you look back on that why would you risk not getting the fifty happy people because of one unhappy one.
You're just defining things to narrowly, separating things that can't be separated for me. I would not expect a being incapable of regret to stretch their minds, to learn from their mistakes. I would expect them to go 'Oh, it's to bad, but it had to be done.'
7708083
Best optional chapter by far? How is it better than the other Optional chapters?
7708118
The fact that in this setting, concept of reality, are expected to spent a life time as a mere mortal, born, live, die, with no knowledge of what they actually are, so they AREN'T aloof.
And as deities, they're SUPPOSED to be somewhat mysterious. But I was pressured by some into revealing WAY TOO MUCH about them.
It's not so much 'Oh, I broke your leg, oh I feel guilty about it, so that makes it totally fine', as actually, 'Oh I broke you leg! I need to go back in time and step from ever doing that!' Which sounds nice at first... until you remember these are the being trapped to keep reality running, and if they kept reversing time and redoing reality to reverse their mistakes, it would cause reality to turn into a self contradicting self. (This is actually what happened with the G3/Age of Dreams, timeline, where any mistake being undone, which made the world have NO consistency, and eventually began to fall apart).
And I think we're going to have to agree to disagree here due to different values.
7708123 Meh. About 20 % better
7708148 if gods have to have limits; they can't feel everything a mortal does, why not just make them as stuck going forward as mortals. And their living as mortals seems kind of undone by altering their minds the second they become gods
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Considering the only one who hasn't lived a mortal life is Morning Star, concept of beauty and perfection, and the one who wanted free will obliterated from the universe (and rightfully treated as a criminal from the other things he's done) ...
.... Eh. I really don't think they would of just gone back and fixed their mistakes. If they were mortal, then immortal... then they would know why it's important.
I just... yeah, this just doesn't feel right.
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Did you ever see/watch Last Unicorn?
7709173
No, I haven't. I've seen your conversation bellow, and I have to say. I agree with Garfan.
7708637
Something that can help you out here is to realize you're trying to impose your personal head canon / values into a work that has a different set. You can try to argue all you want, but here Alex is the Voice of God. If he wants to make this distinction, then it is reality here. We can either accept it, leave in a huff, or argue endlessly without changing anything.
Not trying to bash you or anything, but I've seen a lot of people arguing with authors recently about how something 'is supposed to' work.
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And I know this wasn't directed at me, but yes I did. And that last scene is one of my favorites. While trying to save the rest, her final price is to be the only unicorn to have ever felt love and sorrow. A price she pays gladly, but will ever mark her as different. I still love that movie.
7709290 well I feel that imposing to much headcanon can be very detrimental to a fanwork and it's also imposing an alien mindset on something he seems to want to seem familair. it's like he's saying "Gods are like us except they have no ability to regret." Which means they're nothing ike us. I don't even see it as a value judgement I see it as like a flaw in logic. You wouldn't say someone was the same except they can't love, they can't hate, they can't be sad. Look at any work of fiction and it's pretty much universally agreed that at that point you're fundamentally a different being
Plus he's said they're capable of regretting one thing, becoming a god, what does that mean in this context? THey can unmake their godhood?
7709441
As he stated earlier, paraphrasing; while they can't feel regret, they do feel something simular.
If they were able to feel actual regret and want to change the past, then all of the universes would end up as tangled as the endless loop did here. The inability to feel actual regret is a safety feature hard coded into their very existence.
Which brings up your question. If a concept becomes mortal they can have mortal regrets. If a mortal ascends to a concept they can have mortal regrets. But once anyone becomes a concept, either by ascension, birth, or rebirth, then they instantly lose the ability to feel actual regret.
It's a bit wonky, but sometimes suspension of belief also includes suspension of straight logic.
7709574 that's just beyond where my suspension of disbelief is can stretch to
Another awesome addition to the series. Bravo Alex.
7717003
:-) Thanks dude!
7717112 Dudette, but welcome!
So is this like a crossover with the Infinite Loops, or something? It's pretty cool!
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Its a thinly veiled expy http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Expy but yeah, pretty much.
7765444
Thank you!
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Expies. Gotta love 'em.
...............Damn.............this was a long, intense, nostalgic, and fun ride. There were a couple times I had to re-read paragraphs over and over again until I finally understood the context. But the action scenes were pretty epic.
Princess Progress.......................she is quite an adorable one.
I have to say when the Scootaloo Army of Awesomeness showed up, I was pleasantly surprised and pumping my fists in the air. They never stop impressing me.
The most funniest part was when baby Veritas was slamming one of the Scootaloos while giggling, and Scoots was like "only for you Dash."
What can I say...................I enjoyed this and wished there was more to this. Thumbs up.
7709276
A goddess can't feel regret, but they can feel pain, suffering, misery, guilt, sadness, remorse.
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/249176/pony-pov-series-side-story-the-day-love-cried
7823861
Dang. Could you point them out to me?
It bring a sense of closure to a fic that will probably not end (I refer to the Loops)
7824345
Which was the point.
7823861
I spent a long time thinking about this beauty. Happy to year it entertain ye!
7709604
Given how much torment and misery her regrets gave her, and how much those regrets drove her to do truly horrible things, she is truly better off without them.
7709276
Given how much torment and misery her regrets gave her, and how much those regrets drove her to do truly horrible things, she is truly better off without them.
7847941 and there's plenty of people out there who do horrible things without regret. I happen to consider regret a key part of wise decision making. Will I regret the results?
7848071
Those people likely also lack guilt, remorse, pity, empathy, hesitation, conscience, scruples, honor, sympathy, etc.
Haven't read story. Part of Pony POV Series or not?
7906291
Yes, it's part of the pony pov universe.
7906291
I hope you enjoyed it.
7848071
Saying that a person HAS to feel regret in order to learn something feels narrow. Guilt, shame, sadness, they have plenty of those.
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/249176/pony-pov-series-side-story-the-day-love-cried
7848071
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/371672/mistakes-of-the-goddess-of-music
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/249176/pony-pov-series-side-story-the-day-love-cried
Not feeling regret, and not feeling bad, and NOT BEING ABLE TO LEARN A DAMN THING, are two separate things.
7824345
Stories like that DON'T end, they simply have the readers a decade or so down the line slowly drift away, and when new parts stop being added... the story itself just... stops, it doesn't END, it just stops. (It's the job of Discord's Mother to assimilate these dead and abandoned universes).
7709604
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/371672/mistakes-of-the-goddess-of-music
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/249176/pony-pov-series-side-story-the-day-love-cried
Regret doesn't mean they can't feel guilt, shame, or sorrow.
It's similar to an odd Wizard of Oz adaption where the Beast Puppet of the Wizard of Oz tells the Tin Woodsman "You be glade to not have a heart they tend to make people unhappy, but there's kindness, compassion, you have plenty of those."
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https://www.fimfiction.net/story/371672/mistakes-of-the-goddess-of-music
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/249176/pony-pov-series-side-story-the-day-love-cried
Not having regret, isn't the same as not being able to experience pain, sorrow, guilt, and shame. This compounded that unlike lucky mortals, for concepts, they got GET to FORGET their mistakes, ANY OF THEM, they don't regret them, but they REMEMBER THEM, every last one. Regret isn't the only emotion in the universe, nor is it singularly vital to looking at yourself and realizing you need to rethink yourself.
And no regret doesn't mean no pain.
Hmm...
I'm conflicted with this one. On the one hand, you're projecting your own headcanon and metaphysics on a worldline where those need not necessarily apply, and Fidelitas feels like a "Shame on you authors for doing something I don't like" mouthpiece at times, with a hint of "My ideas can beat up your ideas." On the other hand, you create a resolution for the unresolvable, Big Mac's moment is spot on for his Infinite Loop characterization, and if I'm being charitable, I could chalk up the aforementioned mouthpiece behavior as part of Dash playing the role of the antagonist.
Still, it's hardly fair to say "How dare you not put the integrity your universe at risk by trying to hotfix the code while it's running?" And baseline-power-only loops are a thing. Heck, loops in completely nonmagical universes are a thing. Very handy for keeping them humble.
Yeah, I can't decide if I liked this one or not.
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I actually had a fan of Infinite Loops as my editor for this story, and I explicitly asked them to keep this from being a strawman scenario. Take from that what you will. *sincere mode.* Thank you for gracing my story with your presence *sincere mode.* I will confess that Infinite Loops destroyed my ability to enjoy New Game Pluses, and games like Long Live The Queen where you pretty much HAVE TO know what's going to happen next in order to progress, and Blueblood's own groundhog loop story. That being said, stories like this tend to not have endings, they just 'burn out' once enough writers move on and not enough new writers come along to take their place. Rainbow Dash here was ultimately giving them an 'off ramp' scenario for when that time comes. I was sincerely trying to keep it from devolving into a personal attack on the readers. Thank you for responding with maturity and understanding, that is a LOT MORE than most can usually expect. Thank you again for being mature about this.