Ch8 - Luna’s Fun - part 3
Ponyville’s Tiny Librarian
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Chapter 8
Luna’s Fun
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part 3
Minutes passed as everypony climbed up with Twilight up ahead. The little mare closed her eyes as a strong blizzard struck her. She wiped the snow from her face while holding the mountain’s surface with three of her hooves, only to notice a big pointy stone emerging from the surface. Wasting no time, she climbed up and sat on it, now taking a breath and recovering from her little exercise.
“Wouldst thou mind if We joined thee?” Luna asked, her voice insistent but not demanding.
Twilight moved to the edge of the outcropping and looked down in search for the giant princess, yet failing to find her.
“We are right here, Twilight Sparkle,” Luna said again, startling the little unicorn who jumped forward, only for her hind-leg to be grabbed by Luna’s tiny hooves, preventing her from falling. Slowly, Twilight backed onto the stone and turned around, now facing Luna’s no-longer-giant face. “We are sorry for startling thee. Wilt thou accept our apologies?”
Twilight’s shocked expression vanished as quickly as it appeared before she rolled her eyes and remarked, “Is every pony shrinking themselves these days? So much for me being special.”
Luna laughed. “Not everypony; just alicorns,” she stated before giving her friend a proud glance. “Thou truly art an inspiration, Twilight. Thou shouldst think of it as a tribute to thy dedication.”
Twilight smiled. “Why, thank you, Princess,” she said, bowing deeply, “I am truly honoured.”
Luna waved her hoof dismissively. “Think nothing of it, though I hope that thou will not give up on climbing just yet.”
Twilight shook her head. “Are you kidding? I’m just taking a short break. Trust me, I’m not going to give up easily,” she stated before once again wiping snow from her face, being small made tiny snowflakes so much bigger.
“Twilight!” Something echoed as Twilight blinked a few times in search of the source of the voice, Luna doing the same. “Twilight!”
“Spike?” Twilight said in bewilderment as she once again went to the edge of the platform and looked down, only to see young drake waving his hand towards her from a distance, but what shocked her more was the pony Spike was sitting on. “White Path?”
“Is something the matter?” Luna asked as she walked to the edge and looked down as well. She couldn’t suppress a smile. “It seems that thine number one fan and number one assistant are very dedicated.”
Twilight sighed before taking a few steps backward, leaving some space for White Path’s hoof to grab the stone she was sitting on. Wasting no time, she pulled it with all her strength, doing her best to help her friend.
White Path sat next to her with Spike still on his back, hardly managing to fit on the limited space of the stone platform while both Twilight and Luna stood on their hind-legs and looked up at him curiously.
“Hello White Path, Spike. Why are you in such a hurry?” Twilight asked while Spike rolled his eyes.
“Come on, Twilight, you always go on your adventures alone, I don’t want to be left behind,” Spike remarked.
"Adventuring with a super pony and a princess is the best thing I can hope for,” White Path said before wiping the sweat from his face and looking down at Luna suspiciously, his eyes half-closed, hoof rubbing his chin and the tip of his nose touching Luna's muzzle.
“Is something wrong, child? Why dost thou look at us like that?”
White Path smiled and shook his head. “Nothing at all. It’s just I think it’s awesome you and Twilight are friends, especially after your unpleasant encounter with each other.”
“Unpleasant encounter?” Luna said. “Please, do explain."
“Just think about it. You were an evil villain who followed the dark path of mischief and evil,” White Path started as he poked Luna’s chest with tip of his hoof, attracting her full attention.
Twilight glanced between him and the princess, the mere look at the night-blue alicorn reminding her about Nightmare Moon. “But she wasn’t evil…” she whispered and hung her head low, the sad memories of how she ended up killing the pony she tried to save started overtaking her.
White Path ignored Twilight’s remark and continued, “Then the hero came and faced you, defeated you in an epic battle and showed you… the bad pony, the wrongs of her ways.” He raised his head proudly and spread his forelegs cheerfully, Spike grabbing his neck so as not to fall. “And soon the villain saw the light and became the hero’s best friend and together they fought the crime of the world.”
“But White Path–” Twilight started but was cut off by the princess’ hoof.
“Hush, Twilight.” Luna whispered before smiling at White Path, pressing her hoof against her chest. “We must say, We deeply regret the road We walked, and We are really grateful to Twilight and her friends for showing us the light.”
White Path was about to say something, but his ears straightened up upon the familiar voice.
“White Path, come back here this instant, it’s too dangerous for you!” Fleur shouted.
“Twilight, Princess Luna, hang in there, we’re coming!” Steel Blade added.
“Great, so much for our adventure,” Spike remarked with his arms crossed and narrowed his eyes.
White Path looked around, only to see a far bigger platform and an entrance into a cave. “It’s not over yet,” he said with a smirk as he lit his horn and caught Twilight and the tiny princess in his magic. He then started to climb up the mountainside until he reached the second platform, unnoticed by the chasing ponies thanks to the strong blizzard.
“What art thou doing, child? Hast thy mother not taught thee that it is impolite to levitate a Princess against her will?” Luna shrieked.
“Where are you taking us?” Twilight asked, not bothering to teleport or resist her younger friend’s magic.
“You’ll see,” White Path said as he reached the largest stone platform before running into a cave. He placed both the princess and tiny unicorn on the ground and peeked out.
Spike jumped from his back and looked down, his attention now on his minuscule caretaker. “Can you hide the entrance with an illusion or something?”
“I suppose I could…” Twilight said, tapping her chin while thinking over to a few lessons Cadence taught her.
“Than do it, please, please, pleaseee…” Spike pleaded.
Twilight lit her horn and bit her lip as a fake stonewall started forming at the entrance. She gritted her teeth as she struggled to maintain the illusion; the fact that the entrance was four meters high and three meters wide proved to be very tiring for her miniscule body.
Luna blinked a few times in confusion, but the moment she heard voices calling for them as Fleur and Twilight’s guards passed the cave, she smirked. “So thou hast hidden us from our pursuers.”
White Path nodded. “Yeah. Having mom and guards tagging along kind of destroys the experience of a good adventure, so how about we explore this cave instead?” he asked, only to see his little friend looking up at him with a pout.
“Awww, so no more climbing?” Twilight asked, no longer maintaining the illusion.
“Come on, Twilight, we can always climb up later. For now let’s explore instead,” Spike offered as Luna sat next to his leg.
“We must agree. Who knows what wonders we might find in this cave?” Luna laughed lightly. “Maybe we will encounter a pile of treasures guarded by a large monster. We art looking forward to finding out,” Luna said cheerfully as she and the group of brave explorers started to walk deeper into the dark cavern. Illumination coming from White Path’s horn and two tiny horns lit up the area, as ice and crystals inside the cave reflected it in a multicolored light show.
Spitfire gritted her teeth as she saved Fancy Pants, who had slipped when his hoof made contact with a frozen part of the stone, until the stallion recovered and grabbed the surface of the mountain. “My deepest thanks, Miss Spitfire,” he said as he ignored the sweat falling from his face, his elegant outfit covered in snow.
“Good job, you almost pulled Spitfire out of this race,” Soarin' mocked as Fancy Pants blushed from embarrassment, while Spitfire frowned.
“At least he’s trying to keep up with me, not like that dead weight of yours,” Spitfire mocked in return as she smirked and looked at Soarin', pity in her voice. “You know what, I feel sorry for you, forced to carry Blueblood’s sorry big flank around.”
“Hey!” Blueblood frowned. “For your information, my flank was judged as tenth best in mares’ opinion.”
Soarin' and Spitfire started to smirk, hardly resisting the urge to laugh, while Fancy Pants added, “Oh, I remember, tenth best.” Fancy Pants smirked devilishly. “But number one for the biggest.”
At this remark, Blueblood’s head turned beet red as Soarin' and Spitfire laughed deeply to his displeasure. Now feeling regret for eating snacks rather than exercising as Cadence suggested.
“Graaaarrrrrrr!!!” A powerful roar echoed through the cave as White Path, Luna and Twilight galloped towards the exit, Spike sitting on White Path’s back, his hands around his neck.
“Maybe we can encounter a pile of treasures guarded a large monster, you said.” Spike said sarcastically. “Good job Luna, you just had to jinx it.”
“‘Tis not our fault,” Luna said between breaths as she galloped. “We were merely joking; how would We know that such a magical and rare creature like a Yeti would make its home in this very cave?”
“Luna, you know that you can actually fly away, so why are you running?” Twilight asked curiously as she herself was galloping at the speed of her friends.
The alicorn raised her muzzle proudly. “We are not a princess who will abandon her subjects in times of trouble. Besides, even if We would fly, We would fail to carry you, the baby dragon and the unicorn colt…”
“Spike and White Path,” Twilight corrected as Luna coughed.
“As We were saying, We aren’t strong enough to fly with them on our tiny back, while flying and levitating everyone at the same time would prove far too dangerous considering how high we are right now,” Luna stated before giving White Path a curious glance. “Though We must say, thou art quite fast and strong for a unicorn, catching up with us in climbing and running.”
White Path said proudly, “I wanted to impress my heroine so I often exercised after the school and even joined a hoofball club.” He looked behind, only to see the rampaging giant covered by white fur running on two legs right behind him. “I never thought I would use it to escape from a Yeti. Oh, this is so cool, no pony in school will believe me when I tell them that.”
Colt’s enthusiasm didn’t last long as he ran out of the cave, only to reach the edge of the stone platform where a kilometer long fall awaited him. Spike, wasting no time, jumped off colt’s back and asked in panic, his hands on his cheeks, “What do we do? What do we do?” He glanced at his tiny companions and added, “We’re doomed!”
Twilight and Luna took up defensive positions as they stood between their big friends and a humongous monster, who was slowly advancing towards them, feeling the stone tremble under their hooves with his every step. “Luna, what should we do? We cannot leave White Path and Spike at the mercy of that monster,” Twilight asked in a panic as she pointed the Yeti who was even bigger than a Manticore.
“We shall do the right thing and protect the children,” Luna spread her tiny wings and gave a battle cry. “Let’s fight, Twilight Sparkle, and not let this beast harm those dear to us!” Luna flew into the air as she lit her horn, Twilight charged her horn as well.
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Hey, it's back. Good to see you again. Even if it is a cliffhanger.
Ey, it's alive again!
It live, yea need to reread all the story now
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Your waiting is over, though this part is rather short.
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Eeyup. Cliffhanger behind, and monster fight ahead.
The Mare, The Myth, The Legend! Twiny has returned!
Rar: so how was canterlot?
Ts: oh it was nice mt. Everest (or whatever the pony version was called) was better Luna me spike and a colt fought a yeti! Oh and luna shrunk herself too!
The main six were speechless. Except rainbow who was saddened.
Rainbow: Awww man I never get to have any fun!
7967867 No one likes reading script format.
Twiny's back!
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Really? Invade a dude's home, and now you're going to showboat by beating him up with your tiny hooves? Poor form, Twiny.
I bet the yeti is actually a baby
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Oh... it's trixie and the baby starbear all over again...
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Hey they got what they wanted to find.
This chapter felt meh while i read it.
Did it feel meh while you wrote it?
What did they think was going to happen when they found a cave atop a snowy mountain?
It will contain something that want's to be left alone.
At least they didn't say 'What could possibly go wrong'.
I have recently been binge re-reading the Twiny stories. And recently an idea popped into my head. We have seen Tiny Cadance, Celestia and Luna. So how about One at a time Twiny Spends some time with each of her friends with them getting to see things from a "Twiny Perspective"?
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Surely, a story to remember. I wonder what would be White Path's version of it he would tell to his classmates.
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To be fair, Yeti is the aggressive one in this conflict. Unlike Pinkie who had a quick way of escape when she encountered a monster on her way to Yak's kingdom, Twiny and Luna don't exactly have a quick way of escape. They are around 1 kilometer above the ground.
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Sorry to disappoint, he's a grown up dude, an angry grown up dude with at least 3.5 meters height. Even for a normal-sized pony he would be a giant, so imagine how big he's to Twiny and tiny Luna.
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To be fair, Yeti is smaller than Ursa Minor, but much bigger than a Manticore. The issue is that, unlike with Ursa Minor, this time Twiny don't have a lot of time to change her size. I doubt Yeti will simply stand still while Twilight increase her size. (Kind of like Goku using Spirit Ball against Vegeta. In giant monkey form, Vegeta didn't give Goku a moment to breath, more or less gather energy for a powerful strike).
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Sometimes wanting something and getting it are two different things. I get the impression that none in Twiny's party are happy that Luna jinxed a giant monster.
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No, not really. Out of curiosity, what was in it that you found disappointing?
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Not everytime exploring dark cave end up with a monster encounter. Twilight's party was just unlucky in this regard.
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The issue is that, Celestia, Luna and Cadence are alicorns. They have enough power to cast shrinking spell and reduce themselves to Twiny's size (to be honest, they can become even smaller).
Twiny is the only unicorn strong enough to power up shrinking spell cast by an alicorn, resulting in her becoming very small.
If any of the princesses tried to shrink mane 6 member, their size would be much bigger. How much the princess would shrink them depends on their inner magic, and mane 6 members aren't exactly powerhouses. They are stronger than average pony, but far behind powerhouse Twiny is.
I never heard Yeti mentioned in the show. Won't some Windego-variant creature more likely exist to Equestria? (unless this Yeti has some cool ice power)
7968754 All true but this IS Twiny were talking about, a pony who found a way to temporarily become a Pegasus. I am sure she could cobble something together even if only as a very temporary effect
Heck she could make some kinda amulet of something that works based off the shrinking spell. Either way glad to see Twiny's adventures continuing!
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Nothing. I can not identify anything wrong.
My subconcious might be picking up on something.
"dedication" doesn't begin with a vowel, so it should be "thy", not "thine".
Here's a guide that I wrote in case you want more details.
When Discord is coming I think that Twiny is gonna have a hard time with her friends unless they are not turned into the oppisite of themselfs.
(Esspecially evil Fluttershy)
And just before they face the yeti they hear him say...
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Just because they weren't mentioned doesn't mean I cannot use them. Besides, Pinkie once encountered a giant snow monster on her way to Yaks.
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Thanks, fixed.
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I assume you mean that Twilight at her tiny size will have a lot harder time dealing with her bigger friends then Twilight from the show, due to her size disadvantage, is this what you meant?
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lol
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Yes that is what I meant. Love your story about Twiny! Keep up the great work!
7971655 And she called it a pony eating Yeti a couple episodes later.
All aboard the ReRead Train!
*Choo Choo*
7991640 meh. Thanks for heads up tho
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True, but Celestia and Luna are unaware of it. They mistook chaos as main reason the Elements worked against Discord, when in reality it is because of Discord being a spirit of Disharmony.
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I don't remember in the show for Pony to ever eat a fish. As for hotdogs, they are actually "haydogs", no meat there.
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Even when author write a story, it not always comes out as he envision it. Which is why sometimes fans reaction in comments is different from what the author intended to present. Sometimes pointed issues can lead to improvements that satisfy both author and readers.
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First of, this story is AU so I don't need to stick to the canon with 100% accuracy, so even if show present something doesn't automatically means that it must be identical in my story.
Second, just because pegasi or unicorns have plants related cutie-mark doesn't make them superior farmers. They can know a lot about farming, fruits, vegetables, trees and so on, they can be skilled at selling, storing and transporting them, but it doesn't mean they can grow it with same quality. (Pegasi may for example specialize in providing plants with water and sun in amounts they need, but not improve their quality).
Earth pony magic is specialized to speed up growth of plants in a stable way, and their magic also improves quality of plants. Which is why earth ponies are mostly specialized in farming. Unicorns may try to use spells on plants, but their magic may affect plants in a negative way. Either growth spell on plant will work only temporary, or plant that grew super quickly will fall apart. There's no easy solution that spell-casters can simply use their magic to feed entire world, unicorns aren't as OP as you think.
Sorry, not happening. I prefer to leave specialization in growing plants to earth ponies, with alchemy of zebras being second best. Unicorns and pegasi have different specialization, so even if they get cutie-mark that is related to plants, doesn't mean that they can rival earth ponies in growing them.
In one of attempts to grow apple, it exploded very quickly, so it means that using potions isn't as easy and stable as you think. Also, you need to consider expenses of making potions. Gathering components for potions may take time and resources and may not outrun earth ponies productivity on a large scale.
My intention is to have earth ponies magic give them a large advantage over other races in farming, same as it is for an earth pony like Coco Pommel to work on clothes without help of magic (using hooves makes it harder and require more skills).
Zebra's magic and potion making specialty makes them second in growing plants to earth ponies, however they are more adapted to grow small number of plants in difficult environment, like a jungle filled with dangers, when earth ponies specialize in growing trees and plants on a large scale. One race slightly speed up growth of hundreds of plants and improve their quality. Another race gather resources for potions and use their magic to boost them, making small number of plants grow very quickly in difficult environment.
Pegasi can be very good at providing plants with sunlight/rain and all sort of weather conditions, while unicorns can be very knowledgeable about farming, but it doesn't mean they can rival earth ponies specialty. It is just strength and weakness of each race. Twilight trying to gain pegasus ability ended up with her losing majority of her magic for example, it is just not easy.
As I explained, it is my take on the lore of Equestria, so I apologize for disappointing your expectations in advance.
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YW
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No she says hotdogs.
[13:08 - 13:15]
Hotdogs. Not Hay dogs.
As for fish:
In Inspiration Manifestation:
4.bp.blogspot.com/-rhvyx6LYaE0/U1v2Q8qnA8I/AAAAAAAAMXY/Rf6vWG4CTPw/s1600/Capture.PNG
(Fancy / noble parties use fish hors d'oeuvres.).
In Leap of Faith:
vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/mlp/images/c/c4/The_Apples_fishing_S4E20.png/revision/latest?cb=20140331124923
(ponies fish).
In Sisterhooves Social:
mlpforums.com/uploads/post_images/sig-4249515.blogentry-23942-0-41322200-1416684848.png
(Again ponies fishing.).
Fluttershy with Fish in Dragonshy
vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/mlp/images/0/07/Fluttershy_tending_to_animals_S1E07.png/revision/latest?cb=20110901204915
(So yeah. Ponies eat fish. And they eat hot dogs.).
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Again where you're wrong.
Other than the whole pulling the "This is an AU" card. If you weren't pulling that. they you're wrong. Both in that A) I don't think they are OP. I am simply using cannon proof.
And magic can do it quickly with quality (Just look at Zap Apple Trees that grew instantly when planted; or watch Twilight Time. It disproves that assumption quickly). At least with potions, and if the pony in question has a plant related Cutie Mark (which in cannon makes the pony preternaturally better in that area than any pony else that doesn't have that mark.); And no pony is stating that using magic has to be quick. That's just racist.
No a pony who specializes in growing things would make plants and produce that are equal to their EP counter parts who have plant based cutie marks. The only difference would be in the ease of which it happens. EP's would have an easier time, since their power is passive and builds up over time; Unicorns would know how to read the plant's health / heal it / make sure it go proper nutrients / help it grow just as good as an EP, just longer; and Pegasi would know all the quantities / qualities needed to grow it healthy and strong.
And they would be many times better than an EP who doesn't have a plant related cutie mark. (Although they are as rare as Fluttershy being an animal specialist Pegasi.) And Twilight's talent is in all magic (non-specialized in one field). So with all the cannon spells and things that affect plant growth.).
Still, you threw down the "It's an AU story so I don't have to pay attention to cannon" card. Which while it works in someways, otherways not so much (especially when it's something big and pervasive in a universe. And it's explanation boils down to 'I don't care'.). But invalidates this section anyways. I was just pointing out that I don't think their OP. I just pay attention to things.
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So Fluttershy is trash with speaking to animals, and Rarity is horrible with gems in this AU? Those are Earth Pony specific talents that EP's are strong in. Just like growing plant talents.
As for alchemy. That's something that isn't Zebra Specific. That's something all ponies can do (and there are alchemy books in the library, and Twilight had knowledge of alchemy)? Nonetheless, I'll chalk it up to the things in your AU that make no sense (like how ponies have telescopes, Nebulas like this universe (The Horsehead Nebula), and thus showing that there are star systems, and that stars are bigger than they appear in the sky. Yet in this AU, Stars have no size changes in the distance ... and somehow nebulas and star systems don't exist. Even though they have telescopes .... *shrugs*).
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Actually that was because AB didn't do it right, and didn't follow directions.
If she did it right, it would have worked the first time. Rather than explosion, giving plants life, etc.
Again, Potions and Alchemy aren't specific to zebras. There exist books dedicated to alchemy, and natural remedies in the public library.
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As for disappointment is advanced. I do have to say that it will highly disappoint me with all the ponies with rare talents and rare Special Talents for a race. And being one of the rare ponies to go into them for Twilight to learn. You go with the "If they aren't EP's they are crap growers." And "Only Earth Ponies can do Earth Pony talents good." and "It doesn't matter that there exists ponies who can do talents of other races as good as that race can in the show. If you aren't of a race. You can't do their ST well if you have the same type of ST.".
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Sorry about the latter half's length. But invalidating ponies with rare and unique talents that are as good as their counterpart races sits wrong with me, and feels like you're missing out on something that is rarely if ever touched upon (as if Flutters is the only being who can do an Earth Pony's ST as good as them).
That and I like the rare fics that actually go into ponies who have unique ST's and abilities. Rather than pigeon holing species like a Canterlot Noble from The Savage Skies Series. In that only X race is good at X thing, and if you aren't that race than you're both rubbish and going against the natural order. Which feels racist.
I look forward to the next chapter ^_^.
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It is most likely a mistranslation or something. Besides, it isn't stated that Hay Dogs are actually made of meat, it is just a reference to hod dogs. Ponies are full of references and it isn't best idea to look too deep into them.
As for fish:
I admit that ponies are fishing quite often, though we never saw a pony eat fish. Mostly they seem to fish for fun (using apples as bait, not the most reliable), or to give fish to feed other animals (Fluttershy was feeding seal with fish, and birds with worms).
Despite proof you presented, none of it actually show ponies to eat meat, and Rarity's out of control spell is an exception considering that she was corrupted.
So yeah, ponies never eat meat in the show, despite them saying or doing odd stuff that would say otherwise.
As for your arguments regardless plant growing, I refuse to continue this discussion about it. We already had one large argument before that turned into a conflict that lead to nothing good, and so I refuse to repeat it.
It was never stated that those specialization belong to earth ponies. Applejack and Apple family never spoke to animals as if they understood each other, unless said animal was either trained or knew how to speak, mostly they just went to Fluttershy for being both negotiator and translator.
And just because earth ponies from Pinkie family grew and dig rocks, doesn't mean that only earth ponies specialize in gems. To be honest, unicorns are more into gem-mining since some gems often proved to have powerful magical properties, being part of powerful artifacts for example. I personally think you picked the wrong examples for this, yet I plead to not argue about it for obvious reasons.
Please, don't argue about this as well. If we used laws of our universe into MLP, it wouldn't work. For example, if sun was way larger than the planet ponies lives on, than it means that it would have to be faaar away form Equestria, so basically Celestia, Discord or super powered Twilight moving sun on the sky at huge speed would basically mean that sun was moved at speed higher than speed of light. (If you see sun moving on the sky in a matter of second, by that logic sun would be moved around Equestria at unimaginable speed. Even light need a bit of time to get form the sun to the earth). So saying my AU doesn't make sense I would counter with that MLP makes no sense. Nothing good will come form this arguing outside of pointless arguments and conflict.
All I am saying that no matter what talent pony have, without earth pony magic, tasks like growing plants will put them at disadvantage. It is not cutie-mark that give ponies talents to be good at something, it is pony talent realized that cause cutie-mark to appear. Just because unicorn or pegasus found passion and skills in a task that earth ponies are mostly specialized in doesn't mean that they can do them on equal ground. Talent doesn't take away disadvantages and strength of one's race. You can be talented in hunting a pray with your bare hands, yet it doesn't mean you will have it easy if you rival tiger or wolf who is specialized for it with claws.
I think you're either looking into it too deeply, or just make tiny issues into large ones. It is going to end poorly for both of us, I can tell.
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It's not a mistranslation. When Pinkie says Hot dogs. It's in the video. And in the transcripts for the show itself. You can't ignore that. So yes meat. You can literally go to any english speaking video (the language the show was written in), look at any transcripts for the show. And they all say hot dogs. All of them.
https://mlp.mattbas.org/transcripts/episodes/01/13/#line-170
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ww7Vb_1jBWZAIe0nuRp8pVRHmjstR-jV604unu1s4m0/edit?hl=en_US%23
http://mylittlepony.neoseeker.com/wiki/Fall_Weather_Friends/Transcript
See? No mistranslation! It says hot dog it can't be any clearer than that! I mean seriously. Hot Dogs! Ponies eat them! It's a thing! Here's more transcripts:
http://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_scripts.php?tv-show=my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic&episode=s01e13
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ww7Vb_1jBWZAIe0nuRp8pVRHmjstR-jV604unu1s4m0/edit?hl=en_US
Which was linked from: http://mlp.derpynews.com/season-1-2-transcripts-by-al-back/ (mislinked to Suited For Success)
https://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/12/scripts-scripts-pony-scripts.html (Ctrl+F: Fall Weather Friends).
And every other one! IT SAYS HOT DOGS! See! No mistranslation.
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It's not an exception. Since she turned the birthday party to a high culture party (as seen with the orchestra, maî·tre d'hô·tel / fancy waiter, and the hors d'oeuvres included other things than fish.). Thus showing that seafood is a part of high class party meals. Yes she was corrupted (*facepalms*) but you are ignoring that her corruption was to make things fancy / elegant. Thus the seafood hors d'oeuvres were something that exists in fancy/elegant settings (as noted by the other things she summoned to that party to make it more high class).
Thus ponies eat fish. It may not show them in the act. But there is evidence that eating sea food is a thing. Afterall she would have had to have eaten it, if she was too have her will imprint it upon reality. And none of the adults who were summoned reacted as if the food was out of place (the children being an exception since it was supposed to be a B-Day party with cake and tons of sweets.).
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Then of course you have real life. In which horses have been documented in lots of places of equines eating meat, or even killing for meat based foods.
Even a quick peak at youtube shows ponies eating meat from things they've killed. Here's 2 of them:
(Go to 4:00 - 6:35, to see him go around killing a bunch of baby birds.)
(22 - :30, to see the horse stalk a chick and eat it alive).
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Well of course we also have the ham sandwhich episode of MLP:
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So yeah. On the subject of meat:
IRL Ponies can and do eat meat (either fed by others, to supplement their diets, or simply because they can); And MLP Ponies eat meat. As seen in the ham sandwhich, and the fact that Rarity would have had to eat sea food to know what it looks like / how it's prepared / what it'd taste like (And with everything else in that setting, was based off of a high society party), and Pinkie and Spike in cannon have eaten hot dogs (at least they said they have and have a preference! Which as proof shows isn't a mistranslation! Everyone who actually listens to the episode knows what they said!)
So yeah! Meat! They do occasionally eat it.
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Actually you're in a way wrong. Since you're ignoring simple laws of gravity, and how said things interact in space.
In space things are easier to move since there is no external gravity at play. And gravity and weight only comes into play when talking about the interactions of gravity between planets. The fact that Telekinesis bridges the gap between objects, means that gravity (Which is 10 ^ 32 times weaker than the second weakest force) is laughable. And can easily be moved by Telekinesis. With the further something is (and less gravity interplaying on it) the easier it'd be to move.
Then you have the fact that they'd be moving said objects in Zero-G, where there is no real gravity working against them to begin with, and the fact that in a Zero-G environment mass is effectively weightless until you get within it's gravitational field (Which telekinesis wouldn't be doing) The real challenge would be to give it enough push to get it moving and stopping. But still do able.
And if it's so small and close as you're stating. Then any unicorn would be able to do what an alicorn does. Rather than requiring a team of powerful unicorns to pull it off.
Again mostly ignoring it. Since while stupid, and ignores what's in the show. No pony actually cares about astronomy in this fic in any meaningful way. So there'll be no stargazing, nor seeing nebula's / far off systems. Which in your fic don't exist. Like they do in the show (After all the reason Telescopes exist is to see far off systems which aren't visible to the naked eye.). As doesn't exist simple laws of Zero-G, astronauts (those things being as small and light as you talk about would mean that a pony couldn't stand on the moon and stars would be the size of a ponies hoof), or the fact that things in outerspace would be easy to move in Zero-G compared to trying to lift said objects in normal G.).
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Actually you're wrong on that. As seen in the Cutie Mark episode featuring Starlight Glimmer. Her stealing cutie marks stole the ability to do those things, and made them average in those fields / loosing the ability to do them to any degree of skill.
And you're forgetting something super basic. Earth Pony farmer's introduce their magic into a plant. With a pegasi farmer, their magic would be introduced and absorbed by a plant (Since their magic would be in the water / clouds, weather manip, that they do. Which would then go into the plant itself.), and Unicorn's who's special talent is farming. Would likewise introduce magic to a plant like an EP.).
So there'd be no disadvantage. And as for Flutters. Her ST is dealing with animals; which are mostly ground based other than flying insects / birds (that pegasi that mostly deal with flying and cloudbased activies would interact with); Thus an Earth Ponies connection to nature, and their passive nature would be more suited for that (as seen with the veternarian in Ponyville who is an Earth Pony.).
So yeah. Super racist to say that not being of a certain race makes you disadvantaged / inferior to other races who have that ST.
7994284
Sigh... fine, I am wrong at everything and you're right at everything, you're far more intelligent than me and everything you say is 100% flawless truth, happy?
I can now see that you won't stop until you prove me wrong about everything I say, so I am stopping to argue with you about it in general.
You look too deep into things for my taste and you're ready to put walls of text to prove your point so arguing with you is burning me out. All I ask is that you would stop turning tiny details into a world-sized arguments for super long debates. I can already tell that it will ruin enjoyment for the both of us and that history is going to repeat itself if you know what I mean.
While I appreciate criticism and advice, there are stuff I cannot or don't want to change for personal reasons, so sorry, but in my story ponies don't eat meat and alicorns don't move heavenly bodies hundred times bigger than their homeworld at speed bigger then speed of light. And you can call it racism as much as you want, but I want each race to have their strength and weaknesses, and I don't see Fluttershy or Rarity going against their race specialty with their special talents. So sorry for disappointing you, but you'll just have to accept it.
7994531
Not happy, just when stating things that X isn't X. When there's evidence for it (like the whole Hotdog thing that's stated (proven)) or trying to bring science into something that you don't research, or stating things like (X isn't like you think it is (assuming that I think something). But as you say I look into things, I research, look into things at depth, and go over tons of data points.
Still, in this instance. Yes I'm right, because I showed empirical evidence, verifiable proofs, and scientific data.
7994531
Please stop listening to thegreateater, either they're a very enthusiastic troll or they really actually truly don't understand that you're writing the story and they aren't. None of their points actually were about why any of those changes would be good for the STORY, only why they think would be good for the canon.
7994531 i don't want argueing ME WANT UPDATES!!!
7994619 Okay. Look.
First - Yes, you raise some valid points. But you know what? You can show your "empirical evidence, verifiable proofs, and scientific data" up your ass. Because I have an empirical evidence that you're a douchebag. Whatever little respect I might have - or might not have - had for you before, is now gone. Puff, like smoke on the wind.
Look, what I mean is, you're either doing this whole thing wrong(intentionally or not), or you truly, honestly believe that you're doing the right thing. In second case, you don't. It's not the right thing. Because this is tagged AU. Author can do literally anything. He can make them wear ushanka-hats and shoot lasers from their eyes. It will be true within this story. If you do not like it, do not fucking read AU stories. Thus your cases that concern canon are right out of the window from the get go.
Next up, if you hate the story so much(which is contradicted by your positive comments) than you're doing this wrong. When you hate the story so much you want to utterly destroy it, you go and make a single, fuck-long comment where you bash on everything you can bash on, and do it as hard as you can. Then, you post it and just walk away. Like, you ignore the answers you receive. You have done what you wanted, now you just go and forget this story even existed, because there is literally nothing more you can do. This also has a side effect that if author has enough brain cells to find the actual reasons for your comment among the hatred that fills it, they will thank you, and maybe become a better writer as a result of the whole thing.
Last, but not the least. If you knew this all, and still decided to do what you do - you don't even deserve to be on this site. In the first thing I presented, you honestly think that you're right, which is fine. Happens to all of us. In the second case, you just don't know how to effectively channel your hatred for a story, which is good! It means you had no reason to learn about it. In this last case? You know what, how and why, and still you decide to do the wrong thing. Which makes you a douchebag. Because:
1) You don't actually help the author improve the story. You are just arguing against something that must, in this case, be taken for granted.
2) You don't offer any actual criticism. If you did that along with the first one, fine. Whatever. But you don't. And that's bad.
3) You don't care that you're asked not to criticize by the author. You keep on doing that. If author of the story asks you to shut up, you don't, of course. However, if they ask you not to criticize their story, you stop doing that. Because it is not wanted, and thus the author will not pay it any mind, effectively voiding all your effort, and because this might mean that you're actually wrong. Surprise!
Tl;dr
You are not trying to destroy the story, or to help author improve it. You're trying to destroy the author, which is a no-no, no matter what the person does. So, fuck you.
My piece is said, I'm out.
8008222
Huh? And what possibly annoyed you to a point of dropping this story?
8008899
Sorry to hear that. I know that Luna's nightmares may be hard to swallow at times, but I have reasons for it, I just cannot reveal this reason just yet.
8010445
Wow, no need to be so harsh. I believe that he doesn't hate the story, nor he's trolling me.
He's just annoyed that something he really disagree on is happening in the story, and he really likes to prove that he's right about his opinions/theories.
I just think that he went too far with his comments, which is why I responded as I did, but there's no need for hostility.
While I am grateful that you came to my defense, I think you went a bit too far. No need to get angry at someone just for defending their arguments, trust me, it is not worth it.
8010718 it was Luna. I am not so much about the nightmares, just... how you presented her in the early chapters. Really ticked me off. You seem to make her more likeable tho, so good on you.
That is kind of a point - he may not have bad intentions, but he is definitely doing the wrong thing. May be just a personal pet peeve of mine, but... eh.
Whatever. I'll just sit in my corner and wait for updates eagerly
8010746
Wow you really wasted your time being an assumptive bucktard. Since you're the one who by that comment showed you are a massive douchebagish f'tard.
It's mostly as CommanderX stated. I feel very strongly about my opinions, I have proof from the show and from science on many of my points (rather than faux scientific technobabble (which in some cases can be great. In others they fail to make any sense at all to the point of being detracting.). But not once did I state that I hate this fic. I just don't like (like you did) people making assumptions of what I think or feel. Nor do I like things not making sense (like things that out right ignore things mentioned in source material. Or making statements that are factually inaccurate. Both of which I spend months to years picking away at the data and material fuled by my obsessive compulsiveness (not OCD, but obsessive personality disorder and compulsive personality disorder. Both of which you can see the outcome in my replies to CommanderX. So not only were you an assumptive asshole, but you were attacking a person with a disability. Nice going..).
I wouldn't have read it three times (the first fic), or twice (this fic) if I did (or Tiny Medic 1.5 times). Nor would I have left a lot of the good comments I have made in this fic (Which you in your state of supreme indignation induced stupidity ignored). Nor the fact that I was pre-reader in many chapters in some of the fics mentioned (before my computer died, and IRL made life to hectic to keep up), or unofficially (as in every chapter I read when I have time to read it). Hell I wouldn't have been so wordy if I wasn't as emotionally invested as I was to this fic. I would just leave like I did with a lot of other fics that I find horrible.
So you can take your self righteous, spiteful, hate spewing self, and go buck yourself. Or you can apologize for over reacting. I don't really care which atm.
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I have done that more times than I - or you, for that matter - would care to count, one more time is nothing. And you know what the funniest thing is? You still fall under the first category. You refuse accepting what the author tells you is true in his story, which is tagged Alternative Universe.
So, I guess I'll be the bigger baby here. Sorry I told you about what your actions made me think about you - it was totally wrong of me.
P.S. oh, and an actual sorry for the insults. They were uncalled for.
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I know it's an alternate universe. But that is a very loose term (and one which only usually only differs (as this was originally shown as) by a single event (aka. Twilight was shrunk, and Nightmare Moon was a protective personality)). The one's that have massive differences to the universe, either make that extremely apparent in the beginning (Eljunbryo series), or have on their fic's group page a bible / list that shows exactly where things differ. This doesn't do the later. And saying something is AU only really goes so far.).
That being said, I accept your apology. And I likewise apologize for the fact that when verbally attacked like you did (which was uncalled for in the first place) I become hostile in my defensiveness. If you'd like we can delete both of our comments and we can talk (when you are ready) like civilized human beings rather than perpetrating a cycle of unneeded hostility.
8010931 Nah, I don't do deleting comments thing - serves me as a remainder of how stupid I once was when I accidentally stumble upon years old ones, so... yeah. And neither do I accept your apology - you don't have anything to apologies for.
That being said, Alternative Universe really depends on how you interpret the whole concept, doesn't it? You can interpret the AU tag as it is done with a multiverse theory(the way I do it) where every minuscule change is another universe. Or you can do it like you, where only serious differences set the universes apart(that's what you meant, right?).
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Actually I meant that there are two takes, the first one was mostly like you said. Tiny changes (or even big ones) being their own universe (fics like Random Elements (no Sonic Rainboom); A Minor Variation (Rainboom happened differently);No Longer Lost (Scootaloo get's found and adopted by Vinyl Scratch and Octavia; or even Of The Hive (Different outcome to the Canterlot Wedding, and Ling's came about differently in their past.).
Then much like this fic (Which wasn't clear until much later, and only if you delve deep into the comments section). You have things where the entire universe is different (but are usually upfront about it (the mechanics, physics, particle interactions, reality itself, etc. (or eases such differences into the story itself. Showing in a natural setting)) such as Lunaverse (entirely different, and Alicorns made a new sun and moon which are smaller than one's in the CannonVerse); Moon's Apprentice (Their universe is set up in a way that makes sense, unlike this one (since while entirely different it does still have nebula's and stars off in the distance = to the sun ... but the moon is bigger, and some of the physics (well alot of the important one's) are different. As is the days of the calendar; months in the year, and other big bits. Which ties in with another of Forthwith's AU's.); or even Austraeoh (The Eljunbryo's universe is entirely different, the timeline is 99.999% different than MLP's in a universe that is 100% different. It would have been a great series if not for the followers (Well a specific group of them.)).
This falls under the later, but masks itself as the former. In that there are no astronauts (because space exploration can never be a thing), there are no nebulas or star systems (Since in WoG. The stars that are in the sky are to scale, and she only places tiny points of light into the sky. So no need for telescopes.); CM's don't give boosts to what a pony's Special Talent is; The universe works entirely different (to an unknown degree); and pony's aren't omnivores like they are in the show ... just how strict Vegan are they IDK? Physics works differently; and honestly I'm not quite sure how much of the later it is. (And sadly, and much to my dismay. Only Earth Ponies can do growing magic. Which really is a missed opportunity (since all Pegasi Magic is replicateable. If admittedly a specialized field of magic, but no pony ever delves into other ponies learning Earth Pony magic other than A Minor Variation and even then ... only to a small (yet significant) degree.)
Still where the later is concerned. I love having a heads up. Since nothing ruins immersion to me more than thinking I'm reading the former (just different events to a timeline) only to find out I'm reading an AU where the entire universe's mechanics are different. And not being told that before the author drops the "It's an AU" card (which as you can guess get's old. When that's used as an excuse to do anything, without having to allude / explain / set up in anyway shape or form. Since if anything is counter-headcanon / things ignored from the show. Or even things you decided to change on the fly is allowable. Without any preamble "Because it's an alternate universe.").
8010982 I... actually, I concede. Like, dayum, you're taking this to a whole new level. And I guess I see what you mean, even if I don't agree with AU card not being absolute. To each their own, I guess, and to you props for actually explaining your point like I would never be able to.
I sincerely hope our next meeting will be more pleasant.
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Same here
. Till next time.
8010746
And what exacly in early chapters Luna did that annoyed you?
If it is her interaction with Celestia, keep in mind that she have bad past experience with her sister, and while the Elements make past seem like a dream, they didn't errase it.
If it is something else, I am curious what can it be.
8010982
To be fair, you're too defensive with your opinions, which is why arguing with you becomes unplesant overtime (especially if it is about one detail over and over), which is why I just decided to drop our previous discussion. But since you have as you stated "obsessive personality disorder and compulsive personality disorde" I suppouse it cannot be helped.
I still disagree with some of your opinions, since you're taking tiny details from the show that can be interpratated in many ways and force the way you interpret it as 100% and the only truth, but because your replies became very tiring for me, I just dropped the AU card to stop it. I have my own rules that not always go with canon materials, and I try to introduce those rules into the story, but since in the past in ended up with unnecesery walls of texts that were boring to read, I decided to minimalize it. Show vs tell is always a bit pressure for the author, so to keep story interesting, it is better to just show event and let the reader figure out the rules in the story without being told about them. I know for you it may seem like it comes out of nowhere, but keeping exposition limited isn't a bad thing.
Anyway, I hope that if you reply to this comment, it won't be a super long debate about how wrong I am, because I won't respond to it. (I don't mind criticism since it help my story improve, but your is too overhelming for my taste).
8013106 Nothing in particular, really. Like, you know, when you see how a person acts or something, and you know you would never want them among your acquaintances, much less friends? You may not be able to pinpoint what's your problem, but it is there and it is not going away? That's how I felt about Luna until the newest chapters. I still do, thought to a lesser degree.