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Now that's some nice, relaxed, detailed worldbuilding. :) I can see why the mods required this to be marked "mature" even though it's chaste, and that actually fits with the theme of how different the social mores of Earth and Equestria are.
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Thanks!
Yeah, there's a certain irony in how it's required to be tagged. I thought that myself when I got the PM that it had failed moderation due to not having a mature tag.
Good show. I like the thought processes and the completely casual attitude about the whole thing.
Yeah, I can kinda see why the mods insisted on that sex tag. Twilight doesn't really sound the type for banging a dude in some random alley behind a donut shop and discussing masturbating in a communal hot tub.
In all honesty, I think a lot of this felt kind of a bit forced. We've talked before about how I was raised in country where nudism was widely accepted and how this gave me a different attitude to nudity, but going from there to a casual acceptance of contact in intimate places doesn't really follow from each other. Even animals will not usually accept physical contact to their genitals from each other like this, instinctively, unless under certain circumstances. This seems like it goes too far and makes it a bit heavy-handed, maybe. It doesn't seem like a more that their society should actually naturally have, from what we see.
Now that's just plain masochistic.
A decent piece. Nice world-building, and it neatly avoids the clunky feeling most discussions like this have. Both characters have their own clear voices, and it doesn't come across as a headcanon dump at all.
Not much else to say, really. Unless we want to keep talking about sex and tags.
Only thing I didn't like was that both Twi and Sunset fucked Flash. I mean, Sunset I'd understand, but Twilight?
Evrything else is, like... I dunno this is the kind of fics that gets you wondering about the meaning of life, you know? Like, dude, it's 10 pm and I won't be able to sleep because I'd be thinking on this fic.
9/10
Good job, my good author.
Well... this was.... something
The beginning felt a little rushed/stilted..
However once you get to the bathroom the conversation and everything just flowed and felt rather natural.
Rather enjoyed them comparing notes on their experiences as humans and the differences between pony vs human
This needs to be in the featured box.
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Both of their upbringings would make it perfectly normal to them, of course.
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Depending on the pony view of casual sex . . . I could go either way on that one, to be honest.
That was all Sunset.
I watched both the girl version and the guy version for research.
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I did not mean the watching. Yeah thanks, I'll stick with razors.
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Thank you!
Eh, it is what it is. We can debate what it needs, but since it's hosted here, I have no choice but to tag it how the mods want it tagged.
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I never said Twilight hooked up with Flash. The "You, too?" meant the alley behind Donut Joe's, not Flash.
I know that feel. There've been a few fics that have done that to me as well..
I really liked it. And I was amused by the side-stepping of the question of how Sunset had her own apartment like that. :)
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Well, yeah... the word vagina is mentioned a few times.
Seriously, though, for a mature fic, this is very innocent, and that's part of its appeal. Both Sunset and Twilight are still so naive to the human body that one almost forgets that they're a pair of naked females showering together, and apparently taking turns with Flash Sentry outside of Donut Joe's.
Interesting tie-in to the hair debate: When Twilight went back to Equestria after the first movie, she was wearing her party dress, but the next time she returned to CHS in the second movie she was wearing her original clothes again.
An interesting conversation happened in this chapter. It makes me wish that they would do a full cross over with the show so that both the pony and human characters could meet. If they could be human in Equestria it would provide some interesting commentary.
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It is that
Thank you!
I would expect that Twilight studied her new body when she had the chance. One subject that isn't addressed enough--in my opinion--is how similar some of Sunset and Twilight's experiences at being unexpectedly turned 'human' would have been.
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I do hope it gets there. Time will tell.
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Thank you!
Yeah, that's a subject which I'll leave open to readers. It's certainly something that the writers haven't addressed.
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The horror!
To them, social bathing is perfectly normal; I'm glad that it came across in the text that there was nothing erotic whatsoever about the shower.
Neither of them had sex with Flash behind Donut Joe's; in both cases, it was some other pony. I don't think that Sunset hooked up with Flash until after she got to EqG-world, and I don't think that Twilight ever has.
I do find it odd that the portal even gives them clothes, but it does illustrate that it sets them the same way each time they go through.
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Thank you!
Oh, that would be so wonderful. I guess until they do, people like me will fill in the missing information
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Guess you didn't see it anymore, but I added a bit to my comment after I posted it:
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See this, this I agree with you on. You could write so many things on the two of them comparing worlds and first time experiences, or things Twilight has yet to experience. Or the two of them exploring each other...
Either way exploring/creating the finer everyday aspects of pony life thats taken for granted then being human and how vastly different and similar everything is, is kinda fascinating. Especially when its as well written as you have done.
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I saw it (after I replied)
I agree that an acceptance of nudity is not equal to an acceptance of being touched in intimate places. I'm not an anthropologist by any means, but I am aware that most wholly- or partially-nude primitive tribes have cultural rules about what you may or may not touch, and of course the same holds true of a nudist resort: just because you can see it doesn't mean you can touch it.
I think it's the 'under certain circumstances' that's the key here. We can both agree that it's not inappropriate to have a medical professional touch your junk, and of course people also sometimes go to professionals for Brazilian waxings, piercings, tattoos, or whatever else they want to do.
So where the issue arises is how much social bathing covers in pony society, and I don't have an answer for that. In real life, many of us have showered in public locker rooms--it's potentially social, but you're supposed to bathe yourself, not your friend. Some of us have presumably also showered or bathed with a significant other, and in those cases there is generally some amount of washing the other person . . . how much depends on circumstances, of course. And since I work part time as a caregiver to developmentally disabled adults, I've had to bathe men and women who are incapable of doing it themselves. Along with other personal care, like shaving.
Anyway, I personally feel that ponies wouldn't be as good at getting themselves clean as humans. In the show, they're much more bendy than a real horse, but even then there would be spots that are hard to reach, especially for earth ponies. It would make sense that they bathed each other. They would likely have social rules about what you could touch and what you couldn't--hence both Twilight and Sunset asking for confirmation before washing 'under the tail.' I doubt that Sunset or Twilight would view their breasts as particularly erogenous zones.
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Oh, yeah, it's a fertile ground to explore. The two of them have so much in common, after all, from both being Celestia's personal student, to going through the portal. I do love writing stories which explore culture shock or culture exploration, and Hasbro has been kind enough to make it canon.
There would be so many differences between being a pony and being a human . . . I'm closing in on a million words written, many of which are HiE or PoE, and I haven't yet run out of little things or big things to cover. I promise you this: you haven't seen the last Sunset Shimmer story from me.
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And now it is
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Well, while I get your point there, personally I think that if my dog can lick his own balls, a pony should probably be able to do that kind of thing more than adequately, given how plain stretchy they seem to be at times. If they can't, this really leads to a lot of other rather weird "fridge logic" moments... like how they could possibly clean up by themselves after using the facilities, that kind of thing. Bidets are a rather recent invention, after all, if they even have them.
Anyway, my point was more, while I can definitely see back scrubs and such between friends, which is certainly not a big stretch for their anatomy, the rest seems like it's possibly a bit much. The association between genitals and intimate, sexual activity doesn't really go away just because those organs are in plain sight. Even human cultures with no nudity taboo have, to the best of my awareness, always universally had a taboo against (public) touching of that type. That's less cultural and more a direct side-effect of every living thing being hard-wired to care about sex, if you ask me, want it or no. The exact mores may differ, but it's always relegated to something that's limited to specific relationship, times and locations. Excluding special circumstances of the type you've described, this doesn't strike me as something that just friends or anyone short of parents with young children or medical professionals would do.
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That's absolutely a fair point.
Well, it could be argued that they invented them earlier. Or used wall-mounted brushes or something.
I'm not totally convinced. I'll admit bias; I did write this story, after all. I'll think about it overnight and see if I can come up with a logical counterpoint.
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...I just imagined something that looked like a wall-mounted toilet brush and then what would happen if you backed up a little too far into that. Ouchies.
That's perfectly understandable. I'll be hearing back from you, then.
Well hell, didn't take this one long to get to the top of the featured box.
The inclusion of the SEX tag was weird, given the content. Definitely mature, just for the nudity, but I'm not so sure about the sex.
Of course, I'm not a mod, and I guess it's better to be safe than sorry.
Very interesting story, very natural feeling.
Kind of interesting to see it written, given that this kind of stuff is probably hard to bring up, discussion wise.
Also kinda interesting cause my family lacks a real taboo on nudity (inside the home), which creates an interesting divergence between private and public bathroom behavior. Nothing like having to use a public dorm shower to really change your bathing habits (I'm still not used to taking off my clothes after I enter the bathroom). Of course, I suspect part of my family's treatment of the subject is due to having a one bathroom house shared by 5 people; perhaps other large families in cramped spaces have similar outlooks? I dunno.
At any rate, the conversation did seem a little uncomfortable, but the whole Sunset/Twilight interaction, combined with "Social Bathing" and "not a clopfic" caught my attention, and I'm glad it did.
Yay for lying to get more views! You don't add sex to mature unless there is actual sex.
Wouldn't it be Friendship Games?
Not something I think I've seen an author do before. Just casual nudity and socialization from that.
Quite odd it actually had to include the sex tag, but whatever. Human norms of what defines that situation and all that nonsense.
Well done. If ever a sequel came about of some other interactions of pony norms in the human world, that would be quite interesting.
Wow, for something that rated mature, this is rather innocent... yeah I know some comments have noted this, and after reading this book I wholeheartedly agree.
6846550 Sex tag is added even when sex is only mentioned or referenced. When there is no actual sex scene the rating can be teen instead of mature i think but with the sex tag still there.
6846657 Sex tag is there because they talk about sex briefly.
It's always amusing when authors explore the fact that Sunset and Twilight aren't pseudo-American teenage girls, but older magic horses from a world with no nudity taboo.
I don't know why, but I found it oddly relaxing to read this. It all just feels so nice and calm and casual.
Ever since this story, that sounds suggestive.
I just learned something new about horse anatomy!
I puzzled over why a horse would be named Shoeshine for a bit before I remembered you can also shine a horseshoe.
Sure it's not.
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That's what I thought, too. Mods had a different opinion, and wouldn't approve it unless it had both the mature and sex tag.
Ok, that was.... interesting. It is so... i don't know how to say it.
Is not bad. No way near it is just strange. Out of what we (or I) are used too.
It was interesting reading anyway. Pretty relaxing too!
6846550 Most people complain if there's not a sex tag when there is genitals, human nudity, raunchy humor, etc.
FimFic needs to split the sex tag into a clop and sexual themes tag
Or add a nudity tag, but that would be redundant with naked ponies everywhere.
That's not a half bad idea. We should invent social bathing as well, it can really strenghten social relationships. No homo though.
Thanks for taking the time to write it, I really liked it!
Reading this reminded me of Bethesda's fallout series, it's perplexing, funny, at sometimes confusing but is always a good time
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I've had this too. No sex, not even mentioned.
It was an explicit NSFW story, sure, but no sex.
I suggested an "explicit" tag. No response yet...
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"research"
Well this story isn't exactly what I was expecting, but I liked it regardless. The title itself is interesting, since equines are regarded as a social species, so isolated bathing, even if they're fully capable, would probably be regarded as unpleasant to experience.
Although now I'm hoping to see a spinoff where Sunset asks the other members of the humane 6 if they could help her out in the same way, and explaining why it's important to her.
"“It was sort of the same for me. I was trying to cope with everything all at once, and I didn’t really have a chance to step back and look at the big picture for a while. “Um, I hate to bring this up, but I am curious.”"
Ought that center quotation mark to be there?
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Oops. Correction made, thank you!
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Yup, that one was a mistake. It's fixed now, thank you!
Sunset and Twilight have such an interesting dynamic, both being former ponies in a human society. And being students of Celestia. And specializing in magic. And initially rejecting the idea of friendship. And wow the list goes on. But it's always nice being able just to talk to someone like-minded about things, even mundane things like hygiene and societal norms. And not to mention I love the way they bounce ideas off each other without even really trying to. I wish there was more of this kind of story about them. They just seem to work so well together and I love it
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Trust me, the sympathetic pains you experience just from looking at that makes it no fun for anyone.
Interesting. Very interesting.
I'll never understand how some people think that Shimms could never go back to Equestria though. At the end of the first EqG movie Celestia asks if Sunset Shimmer is alright before asking after Twilight at all.
Pretty sure she could go home and be welcomed back with open arms.