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Post-Traumatic - Jordan179



April, YOH 1505: Twilight Sparkle and her Companions have returned to Ponyville from Our Town. Now they must deal with the emotional price of their incomplete victory.

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Chapter 14: The Shadows of the Past

The caverns that cut beneath the Crystal Mountains were cold, and inhospitable to most organic life. But they were neither entirely lightless -- nor empty.

Light emanated from the outcroppings of crystal that jutted from the cave walls. It was a wan, cold, pale blue light; barely enough by which to see, which must have been generated by some effect ultimately powered by the Earth-currents, carried through the veins of crystal that snaked through the hills, giving these mountains their name. The light flickered slowly, waxing and waning in time to a some slow subterranean pulsation.

The light flared brighter as the Pony entered a chamber. She was a very powerful and skilled mage, and she was quite familiar with these caverns: she had first read about them decades ago, when she had been a filly first studying at Celestia's School for Gifted Unicorns; she had first seen them a decade ago, when she had been scouting this area before building her Utopia. For her, it was a trivial feat to slightly-amplify that glow, the better to light her way.

Now -- a fugitive -- she passed through them on the way to another exit she knew, many dozens of miles away, far enough that she might continue on unseen by Pegasi patrols. Her plan was to reach another town, where she might change her appearance, assume another identity, and disappear into the secret ways known to the Equalists and Levellers.

By now, Starlight Glimmer knew, she was a marked mare. She had interferered with Equestria's newest Princess, and Celestia's chosen Champions. In doing so, she had not only threatened to upset Celestia's plans, but had technically-violated some of the laws of the criminal code, including the ones forbidding assault, unlawful detention and warlockry.

As a leader of the revolutionary vanguard, Starlight Glimmer of course did not take Celestia's laws seriously. They were absurd and archaic laws, meant to prop up the Old Regime; Starlight's purposes lay above and beyond any considerations of ordinary morality. But, of course, Celestia would use those laws as her excuse to crush Starlight. The rebel Unicorn could expect nothing less from the Sun Tyrant.

Celestia would, obviously, not yield to Starlight's revolutionary logic. Celestia had, after all, emerged triumphant -- her Champions had destroyed Starlight's life and dreams. Celestia would expect Starlight to yield to her -- to throw herself upon the Royal Mercy, beg forgiveness for her supposed "crimes."

Celestia would probably grant such mercy, at that. Well did the immortal master manipulator understand the political utility of being seen to be merciful. Starlight's submission would politically-neutralize her dangerous ideas and discredit her cause. No revolutionaries would ever trust her again, and if she did rebel again, Celestia could always punish her more harshly.

"I play a long game," Celestia had once told her. "And I play to win."

And Celestia had won.

In the person of her loyal vassal, Princess Twilight Sparkle, Celestia had won everything.

And she herself, Starlight Glimmer, had lost everything.

Her town. Her followers. Her friends. Her dream.

She had even lost -- but as the image of his handsome white face, framed in its bluish-white mane, rose before her mind's eye, she stopped in her tracks, hung her head, and stood helplessly-shivering with the intensity of the emotions wracking her soul. Starlight Glimmer squeezed her eyes tight shut, and hot tears of pain and loss and red raw hate rolled down her muzzle, and fell to the cold stone floor.

In her over four decades of life, she had made many friends; she had taken a few lovers. Starlight Glimmer was charismatic and attractive. Ponies often liked her on first meeting. Some loved her.

But it meant little. For she always lost her friends. Inevitably, a point of disagreement would arise; some difference grow between her and them. And her friendships would be broken, torn apart by dissimilarity.

She had been betrothed, twice. Each time it had ended in anger and tears, her former fiancés becoming hateful and hostile toward her. Each time she had been left alone, heartbroken, scarcely understanding how such passionate love could turn to such extreme loathing.

Despairing of Friendship and Love in the wider world, she had created her own community, where she thought such sentiments would be more universal. All in Our Town had been friends. All in Our Town had loved one another. That was how she thought things had worked. That had been her dream.

Twilight Sparkle had shattered her dream. Worse, the Princess had proved her dream false. If the Equal Ponies had really been her friends, they would not have turned on her so easily. If they had all loved her, they would have forgiven her the necessary deception of retaining her own Cutie Mark. If he in particular had loved her, he would not have ...

Starlight Glimmer stopped and squeezed her eyes tight shut, trying not to see anything, not to feel anything. Moisture rolled down her cheeks, to follow the streaks that earlier tears had left on her hide. Try as she might, she could not make her reality go away, her life go away, even when it hurt so very much.

Not for the first time, she considered the obvious escape.

It would be easy to slay herself. She had powerful magics that, properly turned on herself, would accomplish the feat. Not to mention her telekinesis, and the fact that one thing these caverns beneath the Crystal Mountains were well supplied with were sharp shards of crystal. She had failed, decisively and completely. What real purpose was there in her continued life?

Indeed, it would be easy to die by mischance, given what she was doing, and the fact that she was alone. A single mis-step, a broken or even badly-sprained leg, and she might never leave this labyrinth alive. She had cached food and water along her path -- a long-planned escape route, laid down against just such an eventuality as that which had transpired -- she had even blazed her trail with marks at key intersections. But without careful attention to her progress, she might become lost, and wander hopelessly until thirst claimed her.

She was not, in fact, trying to kill herself. She was instead bending her every effort toward staying alive. Why did she bother? Her dream was dead. Why did she wish to outlive its destruction?

Because death was the ultimate failure. Because if she died here, Twilight Sparkle would win.

For her, Friendship had failed. Love had failed. All there was left to sustain her was her basic instinct to survive, and her Hate.. In Starlight Glimmer's world, right now, the lights of Love had long since died out, and all that remained for her was Hatred; her only remaining purpose was Revenge.

Revenge against Twilight Sparkle.

Hatred and the desire for revenge sustained her as she went down endless corridors of crystal, formed from the living rock by processes obscure even to Equestrian geology, fractally spun out into shapes lovely and wondrous beyond compare. Their beauty had left her breathless on earlier occasions, when she had walked this way before, but now she had no eye for such aesthetic delights. There was no room in her soul, at this moment, for anything which did not serve her Hate.

She did have a vague sort of notion that, once Twilight Sparkle was defeated, she might in some way again attempt to achieve her dream. Somewhere else, with new Ponies, perhaps ones she might have the chance to influence from childhood or even birth? She knew now that her dream was difficult, that it might take more than one lifetime to achieve. If only she had chosen to -- but she had thought that being mother to a whole village required that she not be mother to any Pony in particular. She had no heir.

But any goal of rebuilding was vague and uncertain, compared to the absolutely clear goal of her hatred for Twilight Sparkle. And in any case, rebuilding her dream would be pointless in a world with Twilight Sparkle still in it; Twilight would simply come and kick over whatever new sand-castle Starlight Glimmer constructed. Starlight first had to dispose of the menace, defeat the predator who sought to destroy her herd. This was only logical.

But how? Twilight Sparkle was terrifyingly powerful; in a direct duel, she could not be at all certain of victory. Even if she ambushed her -- Twilight was an Alicorn, and Starlight's readings had revealed to her that Alicorns were immensely tenacious of life, incredibly difficult to kill. If she had an Alicorn-Bane -- but such weapons were exceedingly rare, difficult for anypony not commanding the resources of at least a city-state to manufacture, and were far from guaranteed to kill; all the enchantment and mortal sacrifice necessary to make one simply gave its wielder a chance of doing fatal or at least lasting harm to an Alicorn.

She might instead attack Twilight's friends, or even family. This would, however, not solve the problem even if she succeeded -- the real threat came not from such lesser Ponies, but from Twilight Sparkle herself. Besides which, Twilight's friends were by repute themselves skilled and dangerous champions, far from easy to slay or capture. And once she struck at one of them, the others would be on their guard. What point would there be in striking down one of Twilight's companions, only to face the others fully-roused? Doing this would be to lose the whole chess-game, for the sake of taking a single piece therein. No -- there must be a better plan.

Engaged in these ruminations, she barely at first noticed that she had reached the great central chamber that was one of the main wonders of these deep caves -- a cavern bigger than the main Cathedral of Canterlot, glittering both from its own internal magelight and the augmentation of Starlight's magic. It was like a gigantic geode, though the processes involved in its formation had been considerably more complex than those of any normal geode.

She knew this cavern well; many of the longer systems of crevices led to the chamber, radiating from the colossal crystal in a fractal system of spokes. It was as if, at some point, some energy had focused within the great geode, accumulating from some external source and then erupting within it in some maner which split the rock all around it for dozens of miles, in some sort of tremendous internal explosion, one which had somehow managed to elegantly split rather than shatter the crystals.


Which was exactly what had happened -- though Starlight Glimmer knew it not -- a thousand years ago, and in another worldline. The energy which had powered this explosion had been nothing more or less than the detonation of a Negation Bolt, the ultimate weapon of the Cosmic Concepts, in the bombardment of the Paradise which had come from an ancient union of advanced science and antediluvian sorcery.

The crystals were attuned to the very structure of spacetime, and had fractured in resonance with the cracks propagating through the continuum. Here, our Universe itself had been riven, and along the fracture lines Planck-width linear wormholes -- string singularities -- had been opened. Slowly, very slowly -- for the wormstrings were exceedingly narrow -- energy from our Universe had seeped through, in accordance with thermodynamic principles, from our bright warm young world into another continuum; one which was terribly dark and chill and old.

There, even these tiny amounts of energy blazed like a beacon in a void where the last stars had gone out, fallen together into super-massive black holes, and the last terrestrial spheres huddled around these black holes like freezing campers around guttering fires, waked to minimal output by the grudging sacrifice of small amounts of matter into their accretion disks. Here dwelt the masters of this undead Universe, the rulers of a graveyard that stretched out countless quadrillions of light-years, the energy of its expansion long since spent, but its mass now dispersed so widely that the gravity which might have recondensed it died away in whimpers of quantum fluctuation. A Universe without light, without life, without hope -- but in which something still, after a fashion, moved and thought.

The realm of the Night Shadows.

At the center of the crystal labyrinth, the string singularities met and fused. Here and there, cracks had opened a bit wider, as bits of our Universe fell away into the endless night of theirs, particles screaming in anguish as they were consumed by the vast Nothing on the other side, falling to their false entropic maximum of ceaseless torment. Here and there, the cracks became windows. Not yet really gates, for all but the least of the unlife of the Shadow Universe, for they were still too small, and our own Universe pressed on all sides to try to close them in a self-healing tropism that it had inherited from its long lineage of evolutionarily successful ancestors -- but windows.

And through these windows peered the Night Shadows.


One group of Night Shadows in particular watched the progress of Starlight Glimmer. They were no ordinary Shadows -- they were the local nodes of Great Shadows, which is to say that they were roughly the Night Shadow equivalent of Alicorns. They watched, and amongst themselves held converse. Around them squirmed numerous smaller entities, Lesser and Least Shadows, who were their spawn and servitors, enjoying a precarious and dangerous status from their masters' patronage.

The social unit which they formed was something alien equally to Equine or Human culture, for which we may be profoundly grateful. It was a high part of their local hierarchy, the at once terrifyingly-anarchic and stultifyingly rigid system of government which oppresses the Night Shadows, and whose oppression they welcome with the ardor that we would embrace the most just and wise rule of liberty, as they would despise any attempt at what we might term fairness or freedom -- but it was not a governmental commission. It was a voluntary assocation, yet it was not a club or group of friends, for the Night Shadows have no friends, merely enemies to whom they hold varying degrees of despite and hatred. And, though the members of this group were related by ties of kinship, it was in no wise a clan or family.

Call it a Conclave.

Likewise, when we say that they held converse, we do not mean that they communicated by presenting concepts to each other for mutual rational and emotional examination. That is entirely too benign an interpretation of their actions. It is more accurate to say that they powered geases against each other, each attempting to enslave the other through force of will, and restrained only by the countervailing force of will of their intended victims. From long mutual familiarity and force of habit, none of them really expected to be able to overcome the other, yet the contest was no less in deadly earnest for this, and had one of them shown an atypical weakness, the others would have pounced on and devoured its mind.

Such was the nature of society among the Night Shadows.

One of the ... leaders, in our terms ... of this Conclave was an entity who would have appeared to our minds as a vast complex tower of dark crystals, from the angles of which blinked many hateful yellow eyes. We may term it "male," though that does not adequately represent the full and loathsome nature of his role in the umbral systems of reproduction. His dominion was over crystalline formation, and he and his minions had already figured prominently in the history of the Ponies, though they did not yet know it. His name would be incomprehensible to us, but Crimson Quartz called him "Skleros" in the Codex of Shades, and we shall here do the same.

He addressed, or attacked, the others, with the following imperative, translated as best as possible into Earthly modes of communication.

"Weakened ... hate-filled ... vulnerable. Make ... Nightmare!"

Another entity -- this one a mass of sickly-sweet-smelling and cold fog, in which yellow-green eyes repellantly twinkled like the stars of a monstrous Universe, answered the first one. This one was ... female, would be the closest analogue in mammalian terms ... and she was of the same spawning as Skleros. One might, thus, call her his "sister," and be not entirely inaccurate. In the Codex of Shades, Crimson Quartz had called her "Skloia," and so shall we.

"No!" said Skloia. "Foolish! .... forfeit ... greater opportunity!"

Skleros made a threatening vibration at his sister's impertinence, and fixed the gaze of almost all his eyes upon her -- he of course kept some watching the rest of his perimeter, lest this merely be a ploy to distract him, enabling another of the Conclave to attack him unawares. "Explain ... quickly!"

"Nightmare ... noticed ... Ponies ... put down," pointed out Skloia, in a voice that hissed as sweet as the kiss of death. "They know ... Luna ... alert. Free ... Starlight Glimmer ... our goals achieve!"

"How?" asked Skleros, interested enough to put some force into the compulsion.

"Timewarp ... she knows," Skloia said. "Revenge ... Twilight Sparkle. Starlight Glimmer ... power enough... tempted ...Tempus Fugue."

Comprehension dawned upon Skleros. "If ... that," he glittered, "widen ... cracks ... into ... prey-verse."

"Exactly," purred Skloia, wafting forth to ooze around her brother, emitting complex puffs of acids and bases upon his crystalline surface, in a manner meant to be seductive. "Better ... indirect ... than direct attack."

Skleros reflexively encysted the chemical emissions and grew encysted geodes from them. He pulsed, pushing his annoying sister away. But his gleamings were anticipatory.

He directed numerous of his eyes and much of his attention on another Shadow.

"Raknon," he said to a thing which had the form of a webwork of glistening fibers, anchored somehow obscurely out of one's view, no matter where one might look. "Opinion?"

Raknon's many eyes glared at Skleros from the nodes of the network. "Future-vibrations ... opening ... admittance ... prey," it admitted. "Success!" Raknon was oriented differently in spacetime; to it spatial motion and sensing were strangely constrained, but viewing its own past and future worldlines relatively easy. It had much in common in this, and only this, regard, with a certain very-pink party Pony, though it did not particularly like parties, and most Ponies would have gone mad in contemplation of what made it smile.

"Hmmm ..." Skleros rumbled. "Approved! Skloia ... your plan ... your sacrifice." He roiled her fog with resonant vibrations, demonstrating the damage he could do her if she did not concede to her brother's demand.

Skloia hissed hatefully at Skleros. "Bully! ... Coward ..."

Skleros increased the intensity of the resonance, making Skloia's eyes tremble in her fog.

"Enough! ..." cried Skloia, her communications strained. "Yielding!"

Skleros hummed in satisfaction at his victory.

Skloia glared at Skleros in resentment and suddenly condensed tendrils of her substance. The tendrils whipped, seemingly right at Skleros.

The dark-crystalline Shadow stood impassively. He knew this to be a bluff.

Her tendrils whipped around at another angle and snapped up two of the Least Shadows of Skloia's own spawning. The two Least Shadows had occupied what they imagined to be a safe position, out of the direct gaze of their dam's eyes. They had not understood the ubiquity of the Great Shadow's perceptions. They may have realized it in the last moments of their existence.

Skloia smashed her own spawn together, rupturing their forms and absorbing their essence into a funnel which she formed for the purpose. Two more tendrils shot through the singularity, grasping and immobilizing the Pony who stood on the other side.


... Starlight Glimmer screamed in terror as the tentacles came from nowhere to wrap around and through her, one securing her barrel and the other her head. She was caught in an incredbily strong grip, one holding both her body and soul. For a moment her perceptions were bilocal -- she could see around her the glittering crystal cavern, and another place, a realm of darkness in which she could somehow impossibly see, and what she saw were indescribable inequine horrors ... things that could not and should not and must not be ...

... and a third tendril emerged from the portal and entered her in some obscure and obscene manner, forcing its way through her defenses and touching her vilely in the most intimate parts of her mind. She tried to shriek and struggle at this hideous contact, but she could not emit any further sounds, could not move a muscle, for she was completely under the control of this thing, this monster, this ...

... Skloia ... purred a voice into her soul, and then the third tendril pulsed and erupted with some substance which spurted into every recess of her, filling her, and changing her in some impossible and terrifying manner. ... Mistress ... rule you ... forevermore ...

And within herself, Starlight sobbed at the reality of this touch which was transformation, or violation, or some horrible mingling of both such as could not exist in any sane world. She felt her mind buckling even as a strange and unclean power surged through her ...

She could see an eye, yellow and hateful and mocking, pass down the tendril into the back of her own self. It looked at her from within, and winked. And, as the last of her sanity began to disintegrate, she heard the voice again.

No escape ... it said to her. Sane ... SLEEP.

And with that, Starlight's tortured mind began to slip into blackness, but not before she heard the last command.

... FORGET ...

The darkness claimed her.


After a time, Starlight Glimmer awoke.

I must have fallen asleep in here, she thought in some confusion, contemplating the beauty of these crystals. She stretched herself, worked her mouth experimentally. I guess I needed some sleep, she mused. I feel all right now ... not confused or tired any more. I guess I really needed that sleep.

She still mourned the loss of her followers, still hated Twilight Sparkle. But she felt much better now. She understood that her followers were lost, that business of her life was closed, and the new business of her life would be the destruction of Twilight Sparkle. It all made sense now, it was all clear, and all she needed to do now was begin the sequence of actions which would most efficiently and logically destroy Twilight Sparkle.

I've always been efficient and logical, she thought to herself. So I have a pretty good chance of success. She felt optimistic, almost happy about the new purpose of her life. After I destroy her, she thought, I can rebuild my dream somewhere else. But destroying her is the first order of business.

She cast her gaze about for the place she had blazed her trail. There it was -- a pattern of grooves that she had cut into one of the crystals near an apeture. She knew that beyond it she had cached more supplies; food and water to sustain her on the next part of her journey. Just another way station on the path that would lead to her triumph.

A new strength sustained her, a new confidence fulfilled her, as she walked out of the great geode into the twisting tunnels. She had still been defeated, but it had been only one battle she had lost. The course of her war, the war she fought against the harsh reality of the Cutie-Mark-based caste system, was as yet undecided.

I was wasting my time in Our Town, she realized. Those Ponies were weak ... mundane ... whining little foals who needed my guidance constantly. I will still destroy Twilight for what she did -- she destroyed my dream after all -- but perhaps this temporary defeat will lead me to greater future triumphs.

After all, she remembered. I am not limited to the Spell of Sameness. That is an important magic for building my new society, yes, but it is only one derivation of all that I learned from the secret journals of Star-Swirl the Bearded. There are far more potent spells in there, magics that can twist the fundamental structure of spacetime, even crack the Universe wide open! She laughed throatily, though she was not sure just why she might want to crack the Universe wide open.

The sleep had done her good. She had a vague memory of unquiet dreams, dreams of darkness and shadows, crystals and vapors and hateful yellow eyes, and of a most strange and revolting intimacy, but already these nightmares were fading, dissipating in the light of her conscious reasoning. She forgot, and forgot it most happily.

Today will be a new day, Starlight Glimmer told herself. Tommorow a newer day still. That which does not destroy me makes me stronger, and I feel stronger now than ever before!

I shall wrap myelf in cloaks of concealment, and unseen I shall move through Celestia's Realm, and there organize my attack. And when I emerge at last from the shadows, when I confront Twilight Sparkle again -- this time, I shall triumph. I shall destroy Twilight and everything she values. And she shall not be able to stop me!

So, cheered by her hopes of revenge, Starlight Glimmer continued on through the crystal labyrinth, striding toward her destiny ...

... while in the back of Starlight's self, a single yellow-green eye blinked, and back in the Shadow Universe, Skloia drank in the delicious wonders of the Universe that was to be her feast.

END.

Author's Note:

Let me introduce you to Starlight Glimmer --- Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds.

Fair Game wasn't born in this worldline. Given the nature of Starlight Glimmer's powers, that does not mean that he is "forever inaccessible to her observation," in the terms of Sweetie Finemare's lament. Unfortunately.

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So is this "realm of the Night Shadows" another worldline or just another universe within the same worldline?

Actually, a more general question - are these "worldlines" more akin to universes or multiverses?

Ironically there was the fanfic where Diamond Tiara's hate towards Apple Bloom was the only reason she made it back alive after being left to die in the desert.

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Each worldline is in the most technical sense a Universe, but they form bundles and bundles-of-bundles based on degrees of similarity and recency of Point of Divergence. The Shadowverse -- the Multiverse ruled by the Night Shadows -- is a very distant group of Universes from our own in terms of divergence, but it is approaching our own, and the NIght Shadows are breaking through into our worlds to consume them. The Shadowverse is immensely older than our Universes -- it is a world in which the stars have long since died and most matter accreted into great black holes.

Alicorn-Bane .... I can't see Celestia making such weapons illegal, after what happened with her sister, and knowing that might be needed if she herself one day went Justice Lord.

the real threat came not from such lesser Ponies, but from Twilight Sparkle herself.

Since when is any pony 'lesser' in Glimmer's mind?

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The problem is the difficulty of making them. Also, making them illegal wouldn't really work anyway, as her enemies have the most desire and need for such devices. The main point of them is to prevent Alicorns from dominating battlefields, and sometimes to actually kill or wound one if its owners get lucky.

She knew this cavern well; many of the longer systems of crevices led to the chamber, radiating from the colossal crystal in a fractal system of spokes. It was as if, at some point, some energy had focused within the great geode, accumulating from some external source and then erupting within it in some maner which split the rock all around it for dozens of miles, in some sort of tremendous internal explosion, one which had somehow managed to elegantly split rather than shatter the crystals.


Is this where the heart of pony land used to be?

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Some Ponies are more equal.

She means particularly in terms of magical might. She knows that Twilight Sparkle poses a threat to her and her plans on a whole higher level than does, say, Applejack.

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It's one of the places where a really BIG discharge of energy from another worldline broke through into the one containing my Equestria, and also made a crack leading somewhere far worse.

This was a delightfully disturbing ending to the story Jordan, and it sets up all sorts of interesting conflicts for future arcs of The Shadow Wars Story Verse. Though I have to ask, why did Skloia need to corrupt Starlight? I'm not without a clue, but some clarification would be helpful. And who, or what, the heck is Fair Play?

The Night Shadows reality sounds like a dead universe that refused to accept to become a part of Entropy's kingdom, like dead universe ARE SUPPOSED to become.

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Skloia actually empowered Starlight, giving her the energy she needs for some major temporal manipulation by infusing her with the power of two of her own offspring. She put one of her own eyes in her so that she could observe what happened. She did not necessarily tell anyshade else on the Conclave about that last part of it.

She's not riding Starlight. That would be too easy for the Ponies to notice. She's instead figuring that Starlight's own desire for revenge will lead her to crack the continuum with a delightfully-major Tempus Fugue.

It was after some soul-searching that I decided to preview some of the names of the Great Shadows here. These are not their actual names, but the ones Crimson Quartz gave them in the Codex of Shades. They are all variants of bastard-Classical Greek, because I translate the language of the Crystal Empire as variously Latin and Greek when it suits me as such. Some just sounded cool to me.

I'm in good company here, as that's exactly how Lovecraft came up with the names of his Great Old Ones. :twilightsmile:

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Hence the "false entropic maximum of ceaseless torment," yes. The Night Shadows will neither quit their Universe nor seriously try to regenerate it, nor let it truly die. They are bound to it and to their predatory way of life by their own assumptions, basically.

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If I'm totally honest, I'm pretty sure that Starlight Glimmer only sort of believes in equality, and that's mostly because she thinks it'll get her what she wants (aka genuine love and friendship).

Entropy is a cold goddess, but she's FAIR. I sincerely see her as seeing the Night Shadows as vermin infesting HER universe, not allowing her Shadows of Existence to squat out eternity in peace.

Since Entropy is the same being across all realities, once ONE part of her became incarnated as Maud Pie in the core pony pov verse, it effected ALL OF HER (this is why she shows uncharacteristic gratitude to ALL Fluttershys across the worldlines because the Heartworld Fluttershy redeemed her son).

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I think she really believes in equality -- but an equality run by enlightened mares like herself. Or just by herself. There are a depressing number of socialists in real Earth history who have believed precisely that.

Given the NATURE of the G3 verse, I sincerely wonder how much it INFECTED the Night Shadows without them even realizing it.

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Entropy does not like the Night Shadows, the more so because they believe that they've mastered her. They have bound her local incarnation, which is why they're able to do what they can do. The greatest of the Great Shadows have a lot of power -- they've basically replaced the greatest of the Cosmic Concepts in their multiversal-bundle. Happily, they can't project any but a small fraction of that power into our world. Unfortunately, the reverse is also true.

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Ponythulu, and Nyarlathotrot might ironically offer the Night Shadows membership into their pantheon on 'behalf' of their Parent Azathorse (as much as ANYTHING can be on the behalf of the blind idiot god), since their PURPOSE is to be the dangers and fears of the unknown to balance out mortal growth (like other concepts' job is to ENCOURAGE it). Only for the greedy bastards to try and munch on Azathorse's domain... and thus doing the MOST STUPID THING in reality you CAN do and actually rose Azathorse to actually DO something about these mosquitos.

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Entropy (in her Maud Pie incarnation), "You're nothing but amoebas granted the power of hominids."

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I never said the Night Shadows weren't insanely arrogant. And vile.

With the threat of the Night Shadows, I SINCERELY imagine Starlight (the ORIGINAL Starlight of MLPTs) enacting more and more as her personal penance for her part in things that brought about this, in particular with what's happening with her name sake. She might have even been there to whisper some words of sanity in that precise moment Twilight decided to finally strike at the true core of Glimmer's pain.

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I hope, by the way, that I set up things sufficiently with the Night Shadow molesting Rarity in her dreams that the last chapter didn't come over as a Giant Space Flea From Nowhere. I was a little afraid of that when I wrote it.

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I honestly didn't give that part that much thought on the subject.

What I find the most painful is that while Twilight The First and her friends are revered as legends, and Minty and her friends while reviled by many for not being more than they were, and at least one or two know the name Queen Majesty (but basically no one knows the name Lucky The Stallion, her SON, even if he wasn't born in the traditional way) . . . . Starlight and her friends have been buried so deep that no pony even knows their names... let alone their legacies. And Starlight's own legacy is a mad mare who had to be stopped. A Starlight who knew what ACTUAL balance and fairness was, and has just been... forgotten...

I now have a mental image of Starlight The First as a Reaper tirelessly acting as a guard dog against the more obvious openings that the Night Shadows could try to sneak through as her penance. It would nice to see SOMETHING of Starlight The First written by you dude.

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I may do this. I will admit that I am less familiar with My Little Pony: Tales than with My Little Pony or My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic.

But Starlight (the First) definitely existed in the backstory of the SWSV.

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I'm afraid that has left me with even more questions than before, actually:

1. When you say "approaching our own", do you mean that as it actually somehow moving closer in some theoretical non-spacial conceptualization of the distance between worldlines (which seems to me to imply some sort of time shenanigans) or just that connections between the two worldlines are becoming increasingly strong and/or numerous?
2. Does that mean the Age of Wonders worldline didn't simply change into the Age of Paradise worldline via invention of the Paradise Entity (which is what I had thought was implied in your other stories) but rather was an entirely separate universe altogether?
3. How could one worldline be "older" than another if all of them share a common point of origin after which all at some point diverged?

I really do have to say I enjoy the world you've been building here. It's phenomenally thorough in every respect.

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Yes, thank you.

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Seriously, the show ran only 26 10 minute episodes, you can watch the whole series in an afternoon.

Oh, goody. This nutcase doesn't realize that some have been playing the game longer than Celestia.

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When you say "approaching our own", do you mean that as it actually somehow moving closer in some theoretical non-spacial conceptualization of the distance between worldlines (which seems to me to imply some sort of time shenanigans) or just that connections between the two worldlines are becoming increasingly strong and/or numerous?

Both, actually. To have multiple universes one absolutely needs additional dimensions to describe their positions relative to one another, since each Universe is a hypersphere in and of itself. One possible explanation of the Great Attractor is that it is a place where another Universe is approaching collision with ours, and the gravity of the other Universe is attracting objects in our own Universe. In the SWSV, of course, this other Universe is the Shadowverse.

And, of course, it's becoming easier to travel from one to another, a process accelerated by the cracks made in our continuum by reality negation weapons. The Shadows like this, as the wider the cracks, the greater the power they can project into our world.

Does that mean the Age of Wonders worldline didn't simply change into the Age of Paradise worldline via invention of the Paradise Entity (which is what I had thought was implied in your other stories) but rather was an entirely separate universe altogether?

Yes. The original sequence was Age of Wonders --> Age of Paradise. But that world was crashing under accumulated Paradox due to the Paradise Entity's original inexperience at Reality Warping, so the Cosmic Concepts destroyed it with reality negation weapons 3000 years into the Age of Paradise. They then created another timeline in which the Paradise Engines instead produced the Cataclysm. We are now about 4000 years later in the new timeline.

However, the Paradise Entity itself managed to escape the destruction of Paradise, bearing within it backups of its whole Solar System. Including all the inhabitants. And it's established a connection to the main worldline. Hence, Pinkie Pie. And the Breezies. Among other things.

How could one worldline be "older" than another if all of them share a common point of origin after which all at some point diverged?

Because there are multiple separate Multiverses. Verses are living organisms that have "genetic codes" of their physical laws, and the reason why the laws of physics work so well together -- and why the Cosmic Concepts and other beings like them exist -- is that Verses evolve. And have done so over truly absurd expanses of time. Ours is far from the first Universes.

Want to know something neat? Some cosmologists think it really works like this!

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What does the Tales!Starlight have to do with any of this? I mean sure, she and Glimmer have the same name, but I'm pretty sure that Starlight is a common pony name anyway. In fact, the only thing that connects them to each other besides that is their horrible crimes against reality itself, and Tales!Starlight only screwed the world in your Fanon.

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Since you asked. In the context of this fanon: everything.
Starlight Glimmer's birth name was Pane Glimmer.
She changed her name to Starlight Glimmer in honor of Starlight the first.
She read how Starlight The First was demonized for her attempt to make the world a paradise, and is determined to 'finish what she started' and draws strength from that.

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Well, if the Night Shadows ever did find their way into your version of the G3 world, they would have likely corrupted the World of Dreams entirely, because frankly, the G3 ponies wouldn't have understood what they were doing. Hell, even if they did know enough to fight the Night Shadows, the dreamlanders still would have lost, because while some of the G3 ponies proved their mettle during the end of their world (and that was only because Strife gave them the chance), that wouldn't be enough to stand a chance against an eons old universe of reality vampires. I would probably believe that they might have had a chance, except prior to the Concepts's destruction of G3, the dreamlanders literally thought “hate” was “hay eight”. If a culture can't comprehend malice, they're not going to survive a war with universe devouring monsters (of course, all of this is assuming that the Alicorns and the Draconequi won't intervene directly, because if they do, all bets are off). However, if the World of Dreams did somehow infect the Night Shadows....I'm not sure what would happen, but it would definitely be horrifying....

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Interesting!

Both, actually. To have multiple universes one absolutely needs additional dimensions to describe their positions relative to one another, since each Universe is a hypersphere in and of itself. One possible explanation of the Great Attractor is that it is a place where another Universe is approaching collision with ours, and the gravity of the other Universe is attracting objects in our own Universe. In the SWSV, of course, this other Universe is the Shadowverse.

If the distance between universes in this conceptualization is based upon how far back the universes diverged, doesn't that mean one or both of the two universes' histories since that point are being overwritten?

Yes. The original sequence was Age of Wonders --> Age of Paradise. But that world was crashing under accumulated Paradox due to the Paradise Entity's original inexperience at Reality Warping, so the Cosmic Concepts destroyed it with reality negation weapons 3000 years into the Age of Paradise. They then created another timeline in which the Paradise Engines instead produced the Cataclysm. We are now about 4000 years later in the new timeline.

If I understand you correctly the series of events is basically:
1. Age of Wonders invents the Paradise Entity
2. Age of Paradise begins, and Paradox begins to accumulate from the actions of the Paradise Entity
3. Cosmic Concepts notice this, and destroy the worldline here
4. In its place, the Cosmic Concepts have the invention of the Paradise Entity instead cause the Cataclysm that begins this worldline

Is this correct? Because if it is, I don't understand how the Age of Wonders could have been a different worldline from the Age of Paradise - they appear to have just been different segments of the same timeline.

Because there are multiple separate Multiverses. Verses are living organisms that have "genetic codes" of their physical laws, and the reason why the laws of physics work so well together -- and why the Cosmic Concepts and other beings like them exist -- is that Verses evolve. And have done so over truly absurd expanses of time. Ours is far from the first Universes.

Earlier you said that multiverses are just particularly closely clumped sets of universes, no? Doesn't that mean that at some point the Shadowverse was the same worldline as the Ponyverse? And if that's the case, I don't see how the Shadowverse could be any older than the Ponyverse. After all, the way you have universes diverging at specific points means that at some X number of units back on the timeline both universes had to have been at the same point, no?

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"WHAT IS THIS INFECTING MY MIND?! 'LEW-OF'?! What's that?! AGH! It's contaminating every piece of my being!"

Sorry. I'm just sick of tragic things happening to G3 now years down the road since I wrote that sad end for them. I didn't wrote that to offend you.

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....What? What is “LEW-OF”? What did anything you said mean!?

You left me pretty confused, but you didn't offend me. If you could explain concisely what you were talking about, I would be really grateful.

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Boo. Hiss. Sorry. I have to disagree. Having her be just another baddie whose spreading their message for their own scheme makes her BORING.

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It was them trying to understand what 'love' was.

Sorry, I accidently posted this before I could actually write anything. Ignore this comment!

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Can you not Boo me for stating my opinion? Not only is that very rude, but you're also misinterpreting my statement.

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I'm pretty sure that would just drive them insane. It's clear that in Night Shadow “society,” hate and fear are the only emotions that connect them to each other. Adding confusing and nauseating feelings of love to ancient space Daemons would almost certainly lead to new Nightmares....

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You probably know the actual reason for that: prophecies must be deliberately generic, vage and obscure so the "prophet" can always shoehorn whatever resulting future events as part of it, taking advantage of the human mind´s propensity for pattern recognition and "post hoc, ergo propter hoc". This is older than Nostradamus.

The social unit which they formed was something alien equally to Equine or Human culture, for which we may be profoundly grateful.  It was a high part of their local hierarchy, the at once terrifyingly-anarchic and stultifyingly rigid system of government which oppresses the Night Shadows, and whose oppression they welcome with the ardor that we would embrace the most just and wise rule of liberty, as they would despise any attempt at what we might term fairness or freedom -- but it was not a governmental commission.  It was a voluntary assocation, yet it was not a club or group of friends, for the Night Shadows have no friends, merely enemies to whom they hold varying degrees of despite and hatred.  And, though the members of this group were related by ties of kinship, it was in no wise a clan or family.

My favorite part of this chapter was this fascinating look into the Night Shadow Conclave, because we finally get to see that the Night Shadows aren't soulless monsters, born only to kick puppies, and steal candy from babies, but are in fact the results of an eternity old culture where you have to dominate everyone around you, or risk getting casually snuffed out like a candle for every moment of your existence. The fact that they would defend this way of life, even if they were suffering because of it, only highlights how completely alien the Night Shadows are. This reveals that they aren't so much demons of the blackest evil, but are rather beings with a completely different perspective of the world, that have lived far too long. This train of thought leads me to an interesting question: Did the Night Shadows developed this predatory mindset to survive Entropy. Was it living in a dead universe that drove them insane? Or were they always this fucked up? Our antagonists are a thrilling bunch of cosmic horrors, and I hope you'll continue developing them!

6911836 most villains are. In fact, I'm rather sick of writers trying to make villains interesting, because it almost inevitably leads to some very loud people deciding they're more interesting than the heroes

Interesting to see that line about "secret ways known to the Equalists and Levellers." It seems that Starlight is far from the only pony who holds her particular political philosophy.

The realm and society of the Night Shadows are equal parts fascinating and horrifying. Raknon is especially intriguing. Does he see what the outcome of the time battle in "The Cutie Re-Mark" might be, or what it will be, the cracks in the universe too small to detect but still wider than the current string singularities? Hopefully, it's the former.

In any case, very interesting stuff to think about, and a very nice capstone to the story. It's sort of a perverse mirror to the rest of it. Starlight despairs after the liberation of Our Town—not that she'd see it that way—and something comes by to restore her morale. It does so in a horrific, eldritch way abominable to both human and equine sensibilities, but it still does so. Thank you for another engrossing look at this particular instance of Equestria.

Whoo! It is finished! And I have to say, this was a nice read. :twilightsmile: This ending is rather ominous... :twilightoops:

Fair Play wasn't born in this worldline.

You say that as if everybody knows who I am and the OCs I created. :rainbowlaugh: I haven't even written that story with Fair Game (seriously, I never said "Fair Play" at any point when mentioning him by name; where did you get that?), if only because I have trouble deciding any ships to create more members of the next generation. All I've got for my NextGen is the CheesePie kiddos, the SugarFavor kiddos, Applejack's son Orchard Soil, and children of various OC pairs. Heck, I'm dipping into craziness a bit for considering some OC/Canon pairs... :rainbowwild:

6911638 To answer your question, dude, Fair Game is an OC of mine. I initially created him a few years back, being inspired by Amon from The Legend of Korra, making him a character who wants equality between the pony races, going so far as to remove horns and wings (cutie mark removal didn't cross my mind). Of course, given that at the time I wasn't as into FIM as I am now, I was technically forcing creation of OCs, and thus, they were kinda lame, so I shelved them and went back to business in other areas.

It wasn't until later, after Pinkie Pride aired, that ideas flowed more naturally and I created better OCs. And when the S5 premiere came on... I had a good laugh at Starlight Glimmer and her goals, remembering the old shelved OC of Fair Game. After a conversation with another user on here, I reworked him, making him part of an AU where Starlight and Double Diamond had a thing (I tragically shipped it for some reason) and he popped out, with Starlight deciding to keep him, raise him on her philosophy, and he decided to take it one step further. No time travel shenanigans and no reformation.

So we finally get to see the Night Shadows and their universe. I get the feeling they'd get along very well with Doc Smith's Eddorians. Of course by 'get along well' I mean 'kill each other at the earliest opportunity'. I imagine that comes as close to 'respect' as they can feel.

And some very well done insight into poor Starlight. Yes, she's done evil and is going to do worse, but she's also a emotional basket case and desperately in need of some help. Of course right now she's incapable of admitting that to herself. And the presence of Skloia in her mind isn't going to help. Hopefully she's still mostyu sane on the other side of all this.

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I am really glad you liked this! :twilightsmile: I wasn't sure you were even reading this story; it was nice to get a comment from you.

Yes, I actually meant Fair Game (and was referencing your OC), the name "Fair Play" was a mistake on my part. I brought it up mainly because the childlessness of this Starlight Glimmer is a component of the general frustration she's had in emotional relationships with others -- until she founded Our Town, she had no long-term friends and her attempts to find lasting love all failed. She thinks that she might have been able to keep Double Diamond (her affair with him lasted longer than any of the others) and blames Twilight Sparkle for turning DD against her; she also has frustrated maternal love which (lacking an actual child of her own) she felt toward the Ponies of Our Town. This means that she feels right now like a mother whose children have turned (or been turned) against her.

My Starlight Glimmer is in some ways insane (neurotic) and evil (operating under bad moral premises) but she is neither psychotic nor monstrous. She is aware of reality, and she wants to give and receive love; it's just that she's become snarled up in the nets of a very dysfunctional ideology and her emotional goals are confused. This of course has the effect of producing behavior which might as well be psychotic and monstrous; writing her, though, I have to keep aware that she has theoretically-better motivations (and this becomes important at the Season Five finale, as Twilight's appeal to Starlight's sanity wouldn't have worked had Starlight been a true psychotic monster).

One of her problems is the contradiction between her extreme equalism and the way in which she obviously sees only a few Ponies (specifically, Alicorns and well-educated Unicorn mages) as being really real, possessing full moral agency and the power of decison-making. This I modeled after real-world Ivy League educated leftists intellectuals, who take the same attitude toward anyone who isn't upper-class, from an elite school, and preferably a white Westerner -- they claim to be acting in the name of these "others," while assuming that said "others" can merely react rather than initiate action, denying them both moral and practical agency.

To Starlight Glimmer, Twilight Sparkle (as a Canterlot-educated Alicorn from an old family) is a moral peer, and a worthy enemy, while Twilight's friends are not -- they are obviously merely Twilight's minions. Starlight sees Rarity as relatively uneducated and magically-ignorant (which Rarity is compared to Starlight and Twilight, but then Rarity never pretends to be a mage -- she's a skilled telekinetic, but that's not exactly the same thing); she generally tends to see Pegasi and Earth Ponies as less intellectual than Unicorns (though this is a subtle prejudice, she's not a conscious Tribalist). I wonder if she'd re-evaluate the way Fluttershy manipulated her if she knew that my Fluttershy was an aristocrat?

Ooh, I did not know that Fair Game was inspired by Amon!

After a conversation with another user on here, I reworked him, making him part of an AU where Starlight and Double Diamond had a thing (I tragically shipped it for some reason) and he popped out, with Starlight deciding to keep him, raise him on her philosophy, and he decided to take it one step further. No time travel shenanigans and no reformation.

That makes a lot of sense. I don't know about your reasons, but the reasons why I see Starlight and DD as having been in love is the fact that he's obviously her lieutenant, and the very strong tension between them in the scene where she decides to keep the Mane Six's Cutie Marks separate. It seemed very much to me as if the undertone there was that he was saying "We're lovers. Don't you even trust me with your secrets?" Which of course she doesn't, not fully, because one of her secrets is that she's kept her Cutie Mark.

There are almost certainly other worldlines in which Starlight Glimmer did very different things after "The Cutie Map." And ones in which she never did whatever she was doing to trigger the attention of the Tree of Harmony in the first place, so she kept control of Our Town longer.

So yes, I think Fair Game is possible.

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