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"A world without friendship is a lonely world indeed."

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After one of her adventures, Daring Do finds a book that reveals a shocking truth that changes everything everypony thought they knew about the past of Equestria and friendship itself.

Cover art is The Windigo by Man-Eating-Llama. You should definitely check his other stuff out!

Chapters (4)
Comments ( 37 )

Cool, but still I'm a lil' confused about the ending :applejackunsure::twilightblush:

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Well it is incomplete. But Daring Do basically states that the spell was used during the time of Hearths Warming Eve. Meaning those windigos didn't just come out of nowhere.

5133236 :derpyderp2:<(Ooh! Interesting! :derpytongue2:
Thanks 4 d x-planation :trollestia::yay::twilightsmile:

So the Hearth's Warming was some form of Ozymandias Gambit on the part of currently unstated parties...

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Points for the Watchmen reference! It's my all time favorite book.

And........ you'll see ;)

"It's far fetched, but it just all makes sense to me... like I already know it, somehow..."

:pinkiegasp:
I am now extremely anticipating the next chapter. :twilightsmile:

It seems I"m not the only one that had that particular suspicion about the spells purpose.

*alicorn level force field*
*summoned windigos to unite Equestria*

Dangit, Celestia. Your gambits just get worse and worse... or is it better and better?
:trollestia: What? Wasn't me.
What do you mean, it wasn't you? You are an alicorn, you've taken gambits with the health and safety of your subjects...
:trollestia: Or so you say.

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I was honestly waiting to have Twilight recognize the writing in the book to have been Celestia's.

That... doesn't seem to make the Heath's warming story a lie.
Ponies were in a state of disharmony.
Windigos came, and fed on their hatred.
Ponies defeated them through the power of friendship.

The only difference is what actually prompted the windigos to appear in the first place, not what kept them around. Not much of a lie, as the moral of the story remains intact as truth.

The fact that Twilight's showing signs of possible mental tampering... that's a much more interesting form of deceit.

5232273 Actually it somewhat does, it generally means that the races came together to fight off a greater evil. The real Evil stayed hidden despite however many ended up dead behind the scenes because of what she created.

My bucks are on Starswirl.

however.....

I saw something just here.

A stable time loop. Celestia knows, knew what was going on. It was not Celestia who cast the spell. Methinks from those last few lines that it was Twilight herself who cast the spell. She is the Princess of Friendship. She believed strongly and here is the kicker.

She is from the future. She has the knowledge and is assured in her mind that victory is in sight. That what she is going to do, already happened. A time paradox of causality right here.

You sir have gotten my watch, and a comment. Congratulations.

... Then I read the next chapter.

I'm going to keep reading this wonderful story and you're going to keep writing (hopefully).

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...and then Twilight was Clover the Clever.:trollestia:

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I'm very hesitant to label Celestia as outright Evil, simply for this. It's regrettable, yes. Many of us would choose differently, perhaps.
However... there's more to a character than their most notable achievements or mistakes.

The precise nature of her motivations should be examined and found wanting before we label her as Evil.

She's led Equestria through centuries of peace and prosperity, actively shares the power of her rule, (though whatever's just happened to Twilight is making me raise my eyebrows) and is promoting the sort of family-friendly values that call her own decisions into question.

That's not the picture of an evil tyrant.

The action itself, was manipulative and questionable, sure. But as she said: compare the two worlds ponies would have lived in, depending on the outcome of her action or inaction. Which is better?

Either way, the history story is remarkably untouched for a thousand years of biases to set in, assuming we know the right of it even now.

Yea Celestia pretty dumb in this... bye bye.

5232588 Not dumb, just ugh, wiser than all may know. Its a horrible trope but she was correct.

5232932 Yea sure whatever you say man. There nothing you could say to make me think she right.

Ironically, Celly did this in my verse, but the circumstances were different.
Celly got the Windigos from Discord's mother, and Celly gave them a poor thought out command "remove all hatred" that the Windigos interpreted as "destroy all life".

I wonder if Celestia is about to show Twilight the world if the Windigo threat had never existed. That would present Twilight with the right to judge for herself if unleashing the Windigos was the lesser of two evils or not.

And we learn just how horrid the world would be without that harsh lesson learned.

There was actually a Sliders episode I'm told where racism and prejudice was STILL not just huge, but socially and culturally accepted, and the Sliders learned this world had never had a Hitler, had never been made to see the true evil and destructive nature of prejudice in a way that couldn't have a blind eye turned to.

This chapter was... interesting.

It didn't really tell us anything we didn't already know from the previous chapters. It also left the exact nature of the spell Celestia used as an open question (was that an illusion to get the point across or some kind of clairvoyant alternate future spell?).

It did illustrate precisely what was at stake in Celestia's decisions, however, and being exposed to such a thing so viscerally goes a long way in convincing Twilight that Celestia has the right of it, which makes sense.

All in all though, I liked this short-story. Nice work.

The problem is that it's only what Celestia seems to have imagined the future to be.

Could friendship have blossomed over time rather then with force as it was? Did all those need to die to force things as it were? Did the Alicorns need to involve themselves at all?

Twilight is thinking too emotionally, rather then thinking for herself she lets Celestia do her thinking for her, swaying her views yet again.

Whoa. That ending. It makes me grin. Great story, great job. This story is a very interesting one and it makes you think. I love stories that do that as long as they don't make you think too much. But still, great job with the story!

Without the Windigo's Equestria would've come about for different reasons, granted it might not have the same name but the basic idea members of all three tribes living together in peace may remain the same.

Imagine the nation coming about because of ponies from each tribe getting sick of the constant bickering and fighting and decide to try and leave that all behind, these refugees find one another and noting how the others look bone weary themselves opt to talk instead of fighting or fleeing.

This wouldn't instantly result in sunshine and rainbows for all because all three groups of refugees would have to work for that peace though as the years go in it would become easier for them to get along especially if their foals become freinds. Over the course of time a steady stream or refugees might join them once they hear of this land free of war until the current tribal leaders back in the ancestral lands hear about this and finally decide to put a stop to it (either because their populations are shrinking alarmingly or because each covets the land for their own reasons).


Although a different thought just occured to me. What if this Celectia had fought Discord quite some time before her and Luna petrified him without knowing it? What if he did manage to corrupt her with that spellbook? What if she's still corrupted to some extent?

I want to read this one, I really want to read this one.

You know, I'm going to read this one.

Well, damn. This was pretty cool. :pinkiegasp:

Having read this, I'm not sure exactly what to feel. This all seemed like high risk, high reward kind of situation. Without the Windigos, no unified Equestria. However, if everything had failed, there would've only been complete genocide. It all came down to three ponies putting their differences aside for this to work. Why would she go through all of this?
With time, maybe the sparks of friendship could've been reignited. This just all seem to drastic. Conjuring up creatures that feed off hatred to save others? I feel like Celestia is mad beyond reasoning to do this. Is it even true friendship if it's all a lie, forced coercion for everypony to get along if they're to be punished by freezing to death? It just seems wrong.

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the way I think of it, Celestia's purpose in life is to spread friendship. Raising the sun is just a superficial purpose. Simply put, she couldn't take living in a world where friendship wasn't supreme. It ate away at her until she was driven mad and forced to do this.

Wait... TIA WHAT U DO TO TWI?

UM... Ima just gonna go to the humane world now... BYE!

Just found this story. Considering how G5 has opened up with it's premise, this story almost seems prophetic.

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