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I'm a writer of fluff, kibitzer, and especially interested in canon AU: Equestria Girls, the comics, etc. They are fun to play with.

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This story is a sequel to Good Morning, Beautiful


Everything’s changed between Pinkie and Cheese since last night, or maybe not —he still isn’t sure. One thing hasn’t changed, though: the Cheesy Sense that pushes him to throw parties all over Equestria and make ponies happy wherever he goes. Will their common destiny as party ponies pull them together, or pull them apart for good?

CheesePie: set immediately after the events in Good Morning, Beautiful.

Cover art by loll164: used by permission.

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D'aww, just look at those lovebirds. Aren't they just the cutest and silliest together? I especially liked the end where Pinkie starts a game of hide-and-seek. :twilightsmile:

Yeah, a party pony misery feedback loop seems like a rather nasty thing.

In any case, definitely looking forward to more. It's especially notable that Pinkie just made a long-term plan and commitment. One she's going to follow through on. One that isn't a party. If that's not character growth, I don't know what is.

This is really and seriously beautiful. That's all I can say about it right now. It's beautiful. :pinkiesmile:

This was beautiful!:raritycry: I love it when you write CheesePie:pinkiehappy:

Then she sat up and yawned, and the morning sun illuminated her from behind, so that her coat was radiant and her mane blazed with pink, and Cheese had to shade his eyes.

That's especially symbolic considering that the Sun is divine in their world. Really, those whole first few paragraphs are awesomely poetic and very much show how much Cheese loves her for who and what she is.

“Like what if I was in this universe and you lived in an alternate universe and we couldn’t see each other and you couldn’t visit because it would cause paradoxes that would destroy, like, everything? It would be really, really hard to throw birthday parties that way!”

That's almost as bad as having your first love turn into your worst enemy. Oh wait, in my world that also happened to Celestia. And in canon she had to banish her sister to the Moon for a thousand years. Really, Celestia has a lot of tragic stuff happen in her life.

Luna's isn't the happiest either. If I were Cadance or Twilight, I'd be worried. Hmm, Cadance had the whole bit with Chrysalis, and Twilight lost her library -- I think Cruel Fate is just taking ranging shots at them before unleashing the full fire-for-effect salvo ...


The bit at the end where they play hide-and-seek is both hilarious, and utterly in character.

You write Pinkie Pie better than anyone I've ever seen. Including me.

This came out right after mine. That timing. But I was offline at the time.

But I can safely say, that I'm going to thoroughly enjoy this. This is a legitimate point regarding the pair, and you're taking it very smoothly. I can find it very believable. Oh, this is going to be good!

. . . well, because he loved her.

The nice thing about second kisses is that there are usually a third and a fourth.

“It was . . . .” Adorable, he thought. “Cute.”

He kissed her on the nose, because it obviously needed to be kissed...

D'aaaaaaaaaaaaw it's all so cute I can't stand it!!! :rainbowkiss:
Seriously, I came here as quickly as I could when I heard you wrote more CheesePie.
And you say there's more coming?? :pinkiehappy: :raritystarry:
Man, this is amazing. I... I... I just...

Congrats, you are officially MintyJoy's favorite writer on FiM Fiction!! :heart:

Eeee this was so cute! It had me mentally squeeing and smiling pretty much through the whole thing :pinkiehappy:

:derpyderp2: When he said alternate universe I was remind of the Rock Former Daughter fic. eh make sense those.

Now it's time for more Cheesepie to roll in,like cheese cake rolling into town :pinkiehappy:

D'awwww! This is so adorable! :heart: :twilightsmile:

My favorite ship-arc continues? SO MUCH YES! :yay:

Great work as always can wait for more

Then Pinkie Pie trotted back next to him, and he absolutely lit up. Pinkie Pie flicked her tail against his leg and smiled up at him, and they were surrounded by such a glow that Rarity instantly knew what was going on, possibly better than they did.

For a moment, she considered trotting back upstairs, pulling on her eyemask, and going back to sleep in case this was just a new and more sadistic part of her nightmare. Inside her, a tiny Rarity wailed that it was not fair that her youngest and most eccentric friend, who barely knew what romance was, had found it, while she, the elegant Rarity, had been frustrated again and again. It was her turn first. It simply was not fair.

She told that Rarity to shut up. She would be sincerely glad for her friend, who had woken her up at a dreadful hour, demanding favors and bringing her . . . her, um, with her, when she, Rarity, hadn’t even had time to put her face on.

“Delighted, Mr. Sandwich,” she said.

You've got Rarity perfectly there. The extreme awareness of the social currents surrounding her, the mean and selfish side, and her far greater generosity and kindness of her personality. The fact that she has that nasty thought makes her subsequent good-will all the more real. Well-done. :twilightsmile:

"... He said cupcakes were over.”

Pinkie Pie gasped. “He never!”

BLASPHEMY!!! :pinkiegasp:

I loved their interactions, and the way you' tied this all into the earlier stuff you wrote with Trenderhoof and Flash :twilightsmile:

Very nice!
I love how you brought up that Rarity is attracted to those who don't care for her, and Cheese fixed that for her. He was super sweet about the whole thing, and my favorite part is what he said right outside the door:

“I couldn’t help it, Pinkie! I had to cheer her up!”

Because sometimes, you just have to! :pinkiehappy:

That part when Cheese said that Trendy said that cupcakes were over killed me.

Now see, this is the Rarity I want to be able to write. This portrayal hit all the right marks. And yet, I don't feel like I can do it. I'm understanding the fundamentals and practising, but I'm not there yet. Or at least, I don't think I am. I've got a pretty good idea, but it's not perfected.

And I loved those callbacks. As soon as waffle batter appeared, the flashbacks occured. And now I'm going to have to go re-read 'Flash and Trend Steal All Your Waffles' as well as 'Slice of Life'. The Trenderhoof you create is great as well, although I'm not sure if I'm saying that because it's one of the the only ones I've read. Trenderhoof is a little underused on this site. I think you mentioned somewhere that you like to think of him as bisexual too. I can't remember and I wasn't sure if you were painting that here. But it's a nice thought.

I think that Pinkie requesting something large on such short notice is completely believable. She seems like the type to do that and not realise how much work it requires. There she'd be just staring with a huge smile. I'd like to think this could relate to her hammerspace abilities. Since she pulls stuff out of nowhere in no time, she kind of expects others to do strenuous tasks with no trouble. Cheese has the ability, but Rarity? Not a chance. Unless it's some kind of umbrella. Or if she was Radiance.

I think I have a slight idea of where the final chapter may be heading. Probably won't be, but I'm looking forward to it anyway.

I love that loud and tacky thing in there from weird al's tacky song ;-)

4731479 Yeah--they're kind of innocent, too, especially Pinkie, which makes them really fun to write.
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It's especially notable that Pinkie just made a long-term plan and commitment. One she's going to follow through on. One that isn't a party. If that's not character growth, I don't know what is.

Yup. And I think she's slowly going that way in canon, too not to mention in the comics.

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4732793 Good, because I was worried that they'd just come off as cheesy, if you'll excuse the pun. I really struggled with that bit. Ultimately, I was thinking of Homer (yeah, Homer--"laughing Aphrodite" and the "rosy-fingered Dawn"), and one of my favorite musical sunrises, from Eugene Onegin.

Of course, I was thinking of the "Reflections" arc. I guess alicorns do have a rough time, but if you think about it, it makes sense that they would, especially Celestia. I think the reason she gets so little fandom love is because on the show, she is so belted down. I don't think anyone has quite realized that in order to be what and who she is, she's had to be.

You write Pinkie Pie better than anyone I've ever seen. Including me.

Wow. Thank you. And speaking of . . . are we going to see any Pinkie Pie from you soon, hint, hint?

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This is a legitimate point regarding the pair, and you're taking it very smoothly.

Are you thinking of the Cheesy Sense,his vocation, and his wanderer life (which, incidentally, I think he enjoys for the most part)? Yes, I've always scratched my head a bit when he just says, "sure, I'll move to Ponyville!" Depends on the writer, of course, but I'm glad that when I started this ball rolling, I accidentally chose for it not to go that way.

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Congrats, you are officially MintyJoy's favorite writer on FiM Fiction!!

Thank you! Yup--I don't seem to get tired of them. So far, I have this to finish off, the one AFTER that, one I commissioned art for, Looking Glass World, and a possible sequel to that.

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4743671 Thank you. I've been in Rarity's horseshoes. It's not nice. The idea that people are pitying you for being a single crazy cat lady makes it all a zillion times worse--and in canon, they DO. It's come up in other ponies' visions about the direction Rarity could go. Notice that it's the gossip that shoves her over the edge, not Trenderhoof himself. And Rarity's dreams are the only one out of the Mane Six that involve a Prince Charming, which is part of why she's so vulnerable.

And Pinkie is seriously trying her patience. She's underslept, she's upset. If Rarity were human and lived a half century ago, she would be one of those ladies who would not dream of leaving the house without gloves on, even to pick up the paper, so dragging a gentleman stranger into her home at that hour is really unacceptable. And then Pinkie asks for the impossible. But she does get a grip and tells herself that Pinkie's having fallen in love is not Pinkie's fault and that it would be horrible of her to cast cold water over it. She's WAY clearer about what that would look like and what that would do, and it's very possible that she had some sort of puppy love thing in her past. So, yes.
It IS blasphemy, isn't it? Food trend people keep predicting the demise of cupcakes, and mostly they've been wrong.
4743678 Yep. He's DRIVEN to make her happy. And he really didn't tell her all that stuff only to make her happy. It's the truth. Biased, maybe--there's more to Trend than that--but his sincere opinion, as is his backhanded compliment to Rarity's beauty. I think he was thinking of Cherry Jubilee, actually, and then looking at Rarity reminded him, plus he's just seen Pinkie waking up from sleeping rough.
4743756 I know! Shocking, isn't it? One of the few instances when Trend's been wrong about food, incidentally. He's written rave reviews about Donut Joe's donuts.
4743988 Thank you! Actually, I was thinking a bit about The Calling Night, to tell the truth.
Trend is shockingly underused. I've been noticing some Trend art shipping him with Big Mac and Braeburn. I could see his end, for sure. Yeah, my Trend is bisexual, which of course doesn't mean he can't make a commitment. The reason he can't make a commitment NOW is that he is also extremely confused. He keeps ridiculous hours, he drinks too much coffee, he drinks too much, period, he's had the pressure of being The Most Interesting Pony in Equestria. I think Flash not knowing who he was in "Flash and Trend" was a relief.

Like a lot of people in crisis, Trend thinks that falling in love will "fix" him, which of course it wouldn't. I think (and this is pure headcanon, so bear with me), his attraction to the simple life in the country is a healthy one. He does need to slow down, get away, take it easy, and maybe write. Where he boobs up is confusing the life he needs with a pony who represents that.

Rarity, of course, wouldn't be what he wants, because she craves more of the lifestyle Trend is burning out on right now. At best, she would have had the privilege of watching his nervous breakdown up close, and she's so generous that she would probably feel she had to take care of him, even if she wasn't getting anything out of it. But how could she know that? All she knows is that she "failed." She wasn't pretty enough or fabulous enough for Trenderhoof. Cheese's blunt assessment that Trend is meshugganah helped, because he really meant it, as did the fact that both Cheese and Pinkie TALKED about it with her instead of avoiding it, as though poor Rarity had done something awful.

Rarity can pull off some pretty amazing stuff, and Pinkie obviously believes in her, so that helps.

Well, it'll be interesting to see if you're on the right track!
4744674 The funny thing is that I'd had that bit planned for ages. Cheese finds it in Trend's autobiography and is duly annoyed. Glad you liked it!

Of course, I was thinking of the "Reflections" arc. I guess alicorns do have a rough time, but if you think about it, it makes sense that they would, especially Celestia. I think the reason she gets so little fandom love is because on the show, she is so belted down. I don't think anyone has quite realized that in order to be what and who she is, she's had to be.

I think a lot of fans don't grasp how difficult it is to rule a good-sized country (my Equestria has well over 80 million Ponies by YOH 1500, and had a population of at least 5-10 million during the whole period Celestia's been its Ruling Princess) even when one is revered as a demi-goddess. She has to make wise decisions for the long run even when they conflict with short-run temptations, and she has to gain popular support for them even though she is a thaumocrat (because if she doesn't, her Ponies will resent and rebel in many ways both covert and overt, which would force her to either rule as a tyrant or abdicate her throne). Yes, she's super-intelligent and has awesome magical powers, but she can't be everywhere at once.

The only two entities who she grew up with and remember her as anything but the goddess-like ruler of Equestria who are still around are Luna and Discord. For 1000 years Discord was her enemy, then for over 1500 more years he was a garden ornament. For the 1000 years from YOH 500 to 1500 Luna was insane and banished to the Moon. I would wager that Celestia's been very lonely for much of that thousand years -- yes, sometimes she had the company of a true friend utterly unimpressed by her power (such as Star-Swirl the Bearded) but there must have been years, even decades, when she was surrounded only by flatterers or at best by friendly Ponies who didn't understand her and were too awed by her to check her own vices.

This means that Celestia has had to be very careful of her own behavior. It wouldn't take much of a drift day by day, over a matter of decades, for her to become Tyrantlestia, Molestia or even just Trollestia. What's worse, if she started to slip into arrogance, lust or cruelty, she would have no shortage of Ponies willing to grease the skids for her, on one or another selfish motivation.

If the "Reflections" continuity is canon, then Good-Sombra would have been an enormously positive influence on her life during that millennium. She would have wanted to retain his respect and good opinion, and hence he would have served as a welcome social pressure keeping her from letting herself be corrupted by her own power. And his love would have made her much happier -- even if she could only see him very occasionally, she would have known that somepony whom she could wholly admire and respect loved her in return.

Now she is cut off from him, possibly forever. But at least now her sister has been returned from her, and she also has Cadance and Twilight as near-peers to help keep her sane. Which must be quite a relief.

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And Rarity's dreams are the only one out of the Mane Six that involve a Prince Charming, which is part of why she's so vulnerable.

Rarity's dreams require that a particular sort of special somepony love her back. While I'm sure that the other members of the Mane Six want to be loved, winning True Love is not as essential to them as it is to Rarity -- they don't feel pressed to achieve love any time soon.

In my fanon, Rarity is especially fragile in this regard because of her backstory, which has been the harshest of any of the members of the Mane Six. Her strong determination allowed her to recover from what happened in her youth, but she secretly fears that she is unloveable -- even though she doesn't let it stop her the way that for a time it stopped Fluttershy.

I'm a Sparity shipper. But that doesn't help her that much now -- he's still too young for her. And while he's getting older, so is Rarity, and she's lonely. And afraid that everypony thinks she's becoming an old maid. And if they took Spike's crush on her seriously, and thought she even slightly returned the emotion, they'd call her perverted, for at least two reasons of which I can think, one of which won't get any better with age -- he's still going to be a Dragon.

But she does get a grip and tells herself that Pinkie's having fallen in love is not Pinkie's fault and that it would be horrible of her to cast cold water over it

Indeed. One of the reasons why I love Rarity so much is that she's not flawless -- she has some very obvious flaws -- but that she surmounts her flaws by the exercise of her own intelligence and will to make herself a better Pony. She could so easily be a shallow, nasty, amoral, bitchy little piece out for the main chance with no concern for who else got hurt. She could even be a success that way -- plenty of people are, both in our world and theirs.

But she's not -- she's a genuinely good and caring and kind Pony who always looks out for her friends. Even when it's very, very difficult -- even when it may remind her of her own failures in life. And that's what makes her magnificent.

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The problem with both Rarity and Trenderhoof in "Simple Ways" is that they are regarding the objects of their love purely as objects of their love without bothering to consider them as people. Rarity comes off a bit better here in that she has at least fallen for somepony who shares her interests and might be expected to at least want to befriend her (actually, Trenderhoof was befriending her, until he became obsessed by Applejack). But as you point out, the precise sort of life which Rarity aspires to live is the kind of life Trenderhoof aspires to leave, which creates a complication.

Trenderhoof, in turn, did not bother to consider what Applejack wanted. In particular he did not consider that she has not been just sitting around her farm waiting for him to show up and sweep her off to a life of wondrous delight. Nor does he bother to actually get to know her. He simply makes some highly-stereotypical assumptions about her based on her kind, class and profession, and never even asks her any of her opinions of anything. (For instance, he totally misses that Applejack is highly-intelligent, has a sarcastic sense of humor, and very little patience for phonies).

In my fanon, his suit was hopeless because Applejack considers her promise to another (Landscape Carrot) to still bind her (even though he's been missing for six years by that time). But he might have been able to befriend her, if he hadn't simply assumed that she was his Dream Farmgirl based on her good looks and the fact that she's a farmer, and then totally-ignored the actual Applejack (whom he was annoying to no end) in favor of his fantasy.

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Masterfully done. It was fascinating to see Pinkie and Cheese's interaction from the outside, both in terms of the romance and the perplexing properties of party ponies. I eagerly look forward to the conclusion.

I'm glad that you explained just how Rarity was able to make the half-mile long brocade runner. She did it in classic Rarity style -- hard work, determination, social contacts, and roping in everypony she could convince to help her. I giggled at this line

Fortunately, there were always stallions willing to put aside nearly anything they were doing to assist Rarity in moving heavy objects.

and thought that these ones emphasize that Rarity is Awesome.

She was Rarity. And she had pulled it off.

This bit

“Is the castle creating this, or were these things already here?”

“They must always have been here,” said Princess Luna.

“They must always have potentially been here,” Princess Celestia replied, “but they required you and your thoughts to give them substance.”

makes me think that it's sort of a variant on the Room of Requirement. I like that! :twilightsmile:

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“They’re . . . they’re the books I brought back from the Rainbow Falls Traders’ Exchange,” she murmured. “They’re . . . they’re my books. They’re my books.” She burst into tears.

That is in particular beautiful.

“Nothing on party ponies in there?” Cheese asked Pinkie, as she trotted back to join him at the door.

“Noperooni!” she chirped. “Posilutely nothing on party ponies at all!”

Cheese sighed. “Good,” he said, and they clicked hooves.

They like being sui generis. :pinkiesmile:

By the way, nobody's come up with any Cheese emoticons yet.

“I’m glad you have some of my magic. I mean, if I’m going to share magic with anypony, I’m really glad he’s a nice pony like you. Promise to make lots of ponies happy for me, ‘k?”

That is beautifully put, both literally and as a metaphor for love.

That was enough. He bounded down the road, all of Equestria in front of him, and Pinkie Pie, the Joy Bearer Herself, waiting for him, happy, knowing that someday he would be back. He stopped at the curve of the road for one more wave goodbye, and was off, because more than ever before, he needed to share the pure Joy that there was a Pinkie Pie, and that he was entirely hers.

The perfect ending.

Well you've done it, once again, putting these two party ponies in the perfect situation. And I have to say, no, it wasn't what I was expecting to what I had in my previous comment. It was close though. I was actually expecting Pinkie to start wallowing and crying about his departure, possibly even going a little wacky that Cheese wouldn't ever not come back. It was a crazy idea I guess. I'm glad she didn't break down here. Sort of ended it like me with Twisting the Cheese, where she knows Cheese more than anyone, and what's gonna happen. Knowing that he'll return will always bring her happiness, or in my case, his density. At least, that's what I picked up.

But did Cheese take Boneless Two with him there? I didn't see a mention of him. He got his attire, so I guess he took the chicken with him during that description. Eh, that's probably just me being nit-picky.

There was one other thing I was going to mention in my previous comment, but didn't, saving it for this. I'd love to see you take a crack at a RariPie. The way you write these two is perfect, whether it's put into a CheesePie + Rarity or anything else. I think you'd be able to pull it off well. But of course, lesbians and all that, just my opinion.

And do I even need to say it? Of course I'm looking forward to the continuing story! Bring on the Cheese... and the Pie!

Pinkie absolutely glowered at him, but he knew he was right.

Think you're missing an 's' there. Sorry. I wasn't browsing for typos, but this caught me a bit. But when I look at it, it's not necessarily a typo. It's still right in Cheese's point, so I'm stumped if it's actually intentional. ...My mind's now telling me it isn't a typo. I don't know.

Awwww, I both love you and hate you for making Pinkie's and Cheesie's relationship progress sooooo slooooooooooooooow. If you continue like this, it will take like... 10 more stories until they get married. On the other hand, you are giving their relationship such a depth and such a beauty that I have never seen on Fimfiction (and this includes all romance stories, not just the CheesiePie ones).

4747283 I imagine Celestia would have some of the same issues as Queen Elizabeth (as she probably was historically, as opposed to the sexpot she's often portrayed to be.) Whatever her personal relationships, you have to give it to that woman for her discipline, intelligence, and rigid self-control. Tack on a thousand years and add magical powers, and you've got Celestia. This is why in The Glass Council, I had Good Sombra absolutely quash the idea that the King must be kept happy for the country's sake. Once he went down that road, it might never stop.
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But that doesn't help her that much now -- he's still too young for her. And while he's getting older, so is Rarity, and she's lonely. And afraid that everypony thinks she's becoming an old maid.

The stigma on that is just barely wearing off in our culture. Barely. And I've always agreed with you that Pony culture is closer to that of fifty to a hundred years ago (give or take.) Of course, you've mentioned that some of your families, Earth Ponies especially, marry what we'd consider as "late." (What's more, my students don't believe me when I tell them this, but median age at marriage hasn't really changed much from Shakespeare's time to this: about age 22-24.) So Rarity's age shouldn't be an issue, but ---but you can't get around the fact that her daydreams DO involve marrying some kind of Prince Charming! I'm very reluctant to kill off poor Fleur de Lys, but I imagine Rarity as friends with both her and Fancy Pants, and if something did happen to Fleur de Lys, I could see an interesting romance developing, with a lot of emotional obstacles to overcome.

As for Rarity surmounting flaws--that's what makes her such an interesting and complex character. They all are, really.
4747394 "I've always admired the work ethic of earth ponies." Except, notably, Cheese, for the most part. He utterly misses it that Cheese and Pinkie's weird comic abilities are basically a refinement of earth pony powers anyway. Like most infatuations, it's based on projection.
I've been rather impatient with fan art showing Rarity and Applejack falling in love at the end of "Simple Ways" and leaving Trenderhoof shocked. I've got no issues with Rarity/Applejack fics, but I think it's a cheap ending. No one seems to have considered that "You're ok, but I'm not interested in your gender" is actually easier to hear than "meh, I just don't find you attractive." At least with the first, the person can tell themselves, "phew! At least it's not just me!" That's why Braeburn gave Trend that double answer in Slice of Life: I'm not interested in stallions, and even if I were, I wouldn't be interested in you (only rendered all sweet and Braeburn-y.)
Actually, Trend does ask her what the real Applejack thinks, but he doesn't take the real answer, which is "I have real work to do, and you better go do yours."
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4755316 Yes, in the middle of her self-pity/worry session, Rarity briefly lost sight of the fact that she can charm pretty much any stallion in Ponyville into doing hard labor for her. I'd extend that, and say that includes the married and gay ones. She's just charming, period. So yes, we had full return to fabulosity.

It probably does reflect the Room of Requirement--unsurprising, since I teach Harry Potter and I'm in the middle of my annual re-read--but also the end of The Last Battle, where the real world is further in, and the inside is bigger than the outside, and all the dear things have been preserved. I got all Neo-Platonic there. It happens.

As for no party pony things in the library: there's a reason for that, which is that party ponies and their function is a Mystery, with a capital M, one that Princess Celestia reassures Cheese that she's wise enough not to attempt to understand. When Ponyacci pulls you aside and says, "now listen, sonny, I don't show everyone this trick, but here's how you do X," he's initiated you into a small mystery of party ponies. And if you're a young stallion, barely more than a colt, you listen, and you do not have to be told, "don't tell anyone, and for heaven's sake, don't write it down." Cheese is a smart pony, and I think he wouldn't be naturally hostile to books, but he's suspicious of anything that rips the heart out of laughter, or "kills the joke." He'd have been freaked out as heck by Twilight's attempt to understand Pinkie in "Feeling Pinkie Keen," whereas Pinkie, who simply is Laughter, doesn't have to worry about that (and probably doesn't have to think about it at all.)
And thank you!

4755463 Well, that wasn't going to happen, because in my stories, Pinkie can "hear" Cheese. She actually knows where he is, because of the magic that connects them. She MISSES him, but she doesn't fear his non return. He doesn't trigger her abandonment issues. Fortunately.

Note that this does not magically insure against accidents or relationship screwups. Heck, they actually just had a minor spat!

Cheese took out his accordion during his little performance in front of Rarity, as well as Boneless 2. They got safely stowed afterwards. I don't always write Boneless 2 into everything, or Gummy, because it becomes kind of annoying after a while, but I try not to forget they're around (and in Gummy's case, Pinkie doesn't take him everywhere.) But Cheese didn't leave Boneless 2 behind!

There was one other thing I was going to mention in my previous comment, but didn't, saving it for this. I'd love to see you take a crack at a RariPie. The way you write these two is perfect, whether it's put into a CheesePie + Rarity or anything else. I think you'd be able to pull it off well. But of course, lesbians and all that, just my opinion.

Well, of course that's not going to happen, BUT, in a way, it does. I try to take the friendships between the Mane Six seriously, as individual friendships. And I'm aware that they can be read with shipping goggles, and that's cool. I don't know if you're reading The Looking Glass World of Cheese and Pie, but with shipping goggles strapped on, it's possible to see PinkieDash, FlutterDash, FlutterCheese, DashDust, and even hints of Cheese/Trixie (or, as one of my favorite Tumblrs describes it, CheeseWiz.) Pinkie is Dash's biggest supporter and fan, and to Dash, she's a sort of good luck charm. She flat out does not play as well if Pinkie's not watching. Fluttershy is the closest to Cheese emotionally. She's the one most likely to observe that stuff is going wrong and the most likely to defend him. They're lab partners, for crying out loud, which is like the most cliche set up for high school romance ever. Cheese did say Trixie is good looking, because she is.

Why don't I go there? Well, I'm trying to avoid all the most annoying tropes of high school rom-com, and I don't want to piss off readers by having stealth ships everywhere and love triangles around every corner. But I also don't ruthlessly expunge those overtones and undertones when I catch 'em.

If Pinkie suddenly hooked up with Dash, my EG Cheese would be disappointed, but not angry. Pinkie and he are friends, and he has no right to get possessive about it. If that happened in my regular Equestria, he'd be heartbroken and avoid Ponyville and Pinkie as much as equinely possible. And THAT would be nasty, because they still have a magical connection, whether they like it or not. Luckily for him, it's not gonna go there.

Nope. "He knew he was right" wasn't a typo.

This fic is so wonderful and so cute at the same time! I really like how you can make out the differences between the two of them and how Cheese knows Pinkie almost better than she knows herself, and vice versa. These two are absolutely perfect together in the weirdest way and it's wonderful.

I imagine Celestia would have some of the same issues as Queen Elizabeth (as she probably was historically, as opposed to the sexpot she's often portrayed to be.) Whatever her personal relationships, you have to give it to that woman for her discipline, intelligence, and rigid self-control. Tack on a thousand years and add magical powers, and you've got Celestia.

I can clearly see the analogy there. Elizabeth had problems Celestia doesn't (her society was not normally at all matriarchal) but on the other hand, Celestia has probelms Elizabeth doesn't (nobody actually wanted to worship Elizabeth as a goddess, so her power was less likely to go to her head). Like Elizabeth, Celestia is a theoretical autocrat who actually must mediate between political factions and keep them happy to retain peaceful control over her Realm.

Celestia has a different set of problems where love and marriage are concerned than did Elizabeth. She's immortal, and few of her potential suitors would also be immortal. Aside from emotional issues, for her to seek a husband or offical lover would mean a big political contest for her affections (which was exactly one of Elizabeth's problems, brought to minor tragedy with Robin Dudley and major tragedy in the person of Essex). At least in Celestia's society, nopony would expect to be her master.

The stigma on that is just barely wearing off in our culture. Barely. And I've always agreed with you that Pony culture is closer to that of fifty to a hundred years ago (give or take.) Of course, you've mentioned that some of your families, Earth Ponies especially, marry what we'd consider as "late."

Yes. Because Earth Ponies, especially in some families, tend to be very long-lived, and fertile for half or more their long lives. Applejack is in my fanon by the end of Season Four 26 years old and with no potential husband in sight (the chapter I'm about to publish of Divine Jealousy and the Voice of Reason goes into the reason for and her thoughts on that at one section) but she will probably still be highly fertile into her forties, and reasonably fertile thereafter, so she has plenty of time to find a husband and have children. (In fact for the Apple mares one major problem is having too many children for their lands -- the situation is different for Sweet Apple Acres because they have wide lands and a dangerous forest nearby).

Applejack's opinion of Fluttershy is probably going to tick some fans off. It's not that AJ despises Fluttershy -- she loves her as a friend -- it's more that the direct and forthright Applejack is well aware that all the problems in Divine Jealousy got started primarily due to Fluttershy's indecisiveness and lack of clarity in communication. AJ would never have made Fluttershy's mistakes (she makes her own set of mistakes when she screws up) and hence she is a bit annoyed by the situation.

Rarity's a Unicorn rather than an Earth Pony, she's 22 by my fanon at the end of Season Four, and while she doesn't actually have to marry all that soon, she really wants to -- both to show the world that she is desired, and because she has both a high sex drive and fairly strong morals. She in my fanon has a slowly-growing attraction to Spike, but he's 14 and aside from the interspecies issues, she would find it embarrassing (and awkward for her friendship with Twilight) to marry him until he was around 21 -- by which point she'd be 29. Plus she has no guarantee that what might just be a precocious crush will last that long.

She has less problems in this regard (in my fanon) than she realizes, but she has absolutely no way of knowing that she's likely to Ascend herself in time. And she would be pretty darned arrogant to assume that any such thing was likely to happen. And it's not assured to happen: Ascension is very much based in part on life experiences and personal choices.

(What's more, my students don't believe me when I tell them this, but median age at marriage hasn't really changed much from Shakespeare's time to this: about age 22-24.)

It's skewed in Romeo and Juliet by two factors. The first is that Shakespeare was deliberatly going for emotional appeal, so of course he makes his couple (especially Juliet) young and innocent. The second is that Romeo and Juliet are from the gentry, which is a class likely to marry young because they want to secure their lines and because they eat high-meat diets and hence have an early age of onset of physical adolescence. (And besides, Juliet wasn't supposed to marry yet -- the whole point of the plot is that it's about an elopement!).

So Rarity's age shouldn't be an issue, but ---but you can't get around the fact that her daydreams DO involve marrying some kind of Prince Charming! I'm very reluctant to kill off poor Fleur de Lys, but I imagine Rarity as friends with both her and Fancy Pants, and if something did happen to Fleur de Lys, I could see an interesting romance developing, with a lot of emotional obstacles to overcome.

(*nods*) Indeed, Fancy Pants would be close to her ideal mate -- if he weren't already married to or involved with (depending on fanon) somepony else. He's wealthy, smart, sophisticated and apparently a pretty nice guy.

"I've always admired the work ethic of earth ponies." Except, notably, Cheese, for the most part. He utterly misses it that Cheese and Pinkie's weird comic abilities are basically a refinement of earth pony powers anyway. Like most infatuations, it's based on projection.

Yes. Oh, Trenderhoof's not alone -- a lot of Ponies and fans seem not to get that Cheese and Pinkie work hard. Cheese has to travel from place to place, gain a quick understanding of the local emotional dynamics and figure out what to do (and then do it) to please the locals. He's sort of an "anti-con-man," in that he must be perceptive, smooth and quick-thinking to do good to his "marks." I assume that he sets up some sort of recompensation or support to at least meet his travel and living expenses, and that too can be difficult -- I've spend most of my working life in various sorts of sales positions, and it's not easy to convince people of even mutually-beneficial arrangements.

As for Pinkie, she helps the Cakes run their bakery and caters parties for the whole town. Yes, she has fun doing this, but I see no way for her to be doing this without working at least 10+ hours per day. Fans also miss that, for all Pinkie's plushy bounciness, she was raised a tough farm girl and she's probably a pretty tough town girl today, with lots of muscles under her curves and considerable endurance. For that matter, bouncing around like she does takes a lot of energy.

I've been rather impatient with fan art showing Rarity and Applejack falling in love at the end of "Simple Ways" and leaving Trenderhoof shocked. I've got no issues with Rarity/Applejack fics, but I think it's a cheap ending. No one seems to have considered that "You're ok, but I'm not interested in your gender" is actually easier to hear than "meh, I just don't find you attractive." At least with the first, the person can tell themselves, "phew! At least it's not just me!"

First of all, if they were going to fall in love, Rarity and Applejack would probably have done so by now -- they've known each other for years and years. Secondly, neither of them act lesbian or particularly interested in each other even if they were -- the most that anyone's ever shown me of this supposed attraction was Applejack being really nice to Rarity at the end of The Crystal Empire (yeah, but she's really nice to all her friends, including displays of physical affection, and I don't think she's secretly lusting after them all -- AJ's just really nice). Thirdly, it would rather cheapen any such love if they displayed it just to teach Trenderhoof a lesson (what lesson, "Give up on girls, they're all lesbians?")

Actually, Trend does ask her what the real Applejack thinks, but he doesn't take the real answer, which is "I have real work to do, and you better go do yours."

That's a good point. And Trend's implicit reply, "work's not important compared to us paying attention to each other," is the sort of philosophy least likely to impress Applejack!

Note that this does not magically insure against accidents or relationship screwups. Heck, they actually just had a minor spat!

(*nods*) Being truly in love does not preclude fighting. In fact the more one actually loves someone else, the more likely one is to occasionally fight, because the more one actually cares about the opinions and actions of that other person. It's much easier to fake content with the actions of someone about whom one really doesn't care!

I sometimes have arguments with Rosanna. We just always make them up in the end. :twilightsmile:

Cheese did say Trixie is good looking, because she is.

With reference to Pony rather than Humanoid Trixie, Wisedreamer said that the fact that she was "lovely" was part of the problem, because she was very well aware of her own beauty and this only further swells her ego. :raritywink: Though Wisedreamer sees her as a surrogate daughter-figure rather than an object of romantic love, he's not completely immune to Trixie's beauty either.

The (she thinks fictional) character with whom my Pony Trixie strongly identifies, "The Nightingale" aka Luthien, is canonically the most beautiful female Elf in the history of Tolkien's world. Though not as arrogant as Trixie -- at least they both share the virtue of great courage.

There's a strong bond between Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash, I think because they have similar senses of humor. Rainbow feels protective toward Pinkie, and Pinkie thinks Rainbow is a lot of fun. In my version of the Winningverse, where Pinkie becomes Tainted by the Winning Entity, the one good thing from Pinkie's POV is that Rainbow loves her -- and the reason why in the other worldlines Pinkie feels compassionate toward Cloud Kicker after defeating the Winning Entity is that she knows that the Tainted Cloud Kicker nudged them together as an act of kindness.

In my main continuity it's very unlikely that Pinkie would be seriously attracted to anypony else after having met Cheese Sandwich, unless something horrible happened to him. Her next most likely love object might be Big Mac, who by the end of my Season Four has become a good friend of Pinkie's. But Pinkie knows that Cheerilee really loves Big Mac, and would not feel comfortable messing that up.

Rarity was spot on!:raritywink: Definitely one of the best portrayals I've seen in a while!
Amazing chapter as always:pinkiehappy:

Wow:rainbowderp: This is definitely one of my favorite stories of your's. Absolutely beautiful:raritystarry:
The ending is what sealed the deal for me.

That was enough. He bounded down the road, all of Equestria in front of him, and Pinkie pie, the Joy Bearer Herself, waiting for him, happy, knowing that someday he would be back. He stopped at the curve of the road for one more wave goodbye, and was off, because more than ever before, he needed to share the pure Joy that there was a Pinkie Pie, and that he was entirely hers.

That was the most perfect ending ever:raritycry: Lovely job as always:pinkiesmile:
-hootscootaloo101:scootangel:

PERFECT Absolutely perfect sequell please * gives puppydog eyes*

I finally sat down and read all the stories in this continuity. They are quite good, so I added most of them to my recommendation group. I also created a folder for them, titled "scoot2's CheesePieVerse". (though I would prefer an "official" name if you have one)

“Like what if I was in this universe and you lived in an alternate universe and we couldn’t see each other and you couldn’t visit because it would cause paradoxes that would destroy, like, everything?

He remembered something Pinkie had said about how other ponies had real problems—problems that kept them separated forever.

Are you referencing Reflections by any chance?:raritystarry:

Then it dawned on him: there was no possible way for him to win this thing.

Does that make him Pinkie whipped?
...I'm sorry. That was really bad.

4756696 Thank you! Yep, it's really nice when you're aiming for something and someone tells you you nailed it.:pinkiehappy:
4755975 Oh, thank you! Yeah, who knows how long this could take? You're going to get some more jumps forward to some possible alternative futures for them, too, one of which you've already seen, I think (Triple Threat.) Yeah, that's really quite a compliment.
4755991 Thank you! I'd like to think Aziraphale would approve.
4757790 Thank you! That's the longest bit I've ever written for Rarity, and certainly the only bit from her POV, so I'm glad it came off well. And I'm glad you like the ending!
4759395 On its way. Really. It's going to be called "Command Performance."
4762322 Wow, thanks! I have a 'verse now! Eeee! Hmm--I'll have to think this one over!
Oh, yes. I definitely was referencing Reflections. I'm crazy about that arc.
He kind of is, but he doesn't mind. Actually, it's not so much that he's Pinkie-whipped, as that he made an important discovery: don't sweat the small stuff. Next week, what's going to be important: what was in the punch bowl, or that you finally got to kiss the mare of your dreams and maybe she even lo--likes you, and you immediately acted like a jerk? Especially since they're both pretty sure he'll be leaving tonight for who knows how long. And the second he drops his guard, she's able to admit that he's got a point and why it matters to do it her way anyhow. This really works. Not 100% of the time, since some people are too focused on winners and losers to care, but it's such an aikido move that it really surprises people and disarms fights. And since it's about being friends and making ponies happy, it seems like a party pony strategy to me.

Anyway, I'm thrilled that you took the time to read all of that and that you liked it.

Beautifully done from start to finish. Between party power and the magic of friendship, the impossible is relatively straightforward. Especially interesting is that the castle seemed to be in on the performance. That, or Pinkie Sense functions on the same wavelength as whatever quasi-awareness Twilight's castle might have.

In any case, you served up another wonderful slice of CheesePie. Thank you. :pinkiehappy:

Ok screw it [youtube=Z_Dd58zBdao] These comments are too D*mn BIG! funnyasduck.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/funny-fuck-this-horse-jumping-building-balcony-pics.jpg

I'M OUT
(I'm using that pic way too much)
Ps.How dare you put out an entire story without me knowing! I thought I had been following you! *checks* FUDGE!

I officially ship CheesePie now.

May 3rd is my birthday XD So I thought "oh mah gerd the coincidence is off the charts!!!" anyway, soooooo KAWAII! You really nailed pinkie and cheese *brohoof*

4804752 Thank you! And lucky you to share a birthday with Pinkie!

4767674 Thank you! I think the castle only needed to be given a chance. It seemed logical that if you celebrate what you've got, you start to discover all kinds of wonderful things you didn't know had. I wish I could say I was this kind of universally upbeat in my own life, but I'm sure it fits Pinkie!

4769653 Um--sorry?
Don't apologize for the horse picture. I think it's hilarious, as long as it doesn't mean my story pissed you off.
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This smile is still on my face!!!! HELP!

I will have to watch a lot of horror movies to get this smile off my face. I don't think it will work though. I guess this makes you another Party Person, I guess.

4851979 Thank you!

4857612 The Super-Duper Party Person, That Person Is Me!
Well, I can write sad stuff, too, so if you need to come down off the happy, you can try Triple Slam. But happy is good! And thanks!

Hi!
This story needs something to make it ~20% cooler...

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There. Fixed.
~Twi

And again, an adorable fanfic :pinkiehappy:
I guess the first one was my favorite chapter, but duno, the whole story is awesome, so don't ask me :rainbowlaugh:
After reading your stories, I'm always grinning from ear to ear :pinkiehappy:
Thanks for that :heart:

I find long distance relationships sad because half of the time they are a disaster and an utter failure. I know i've been there I dated someone from all the way in caili once and it only lasted six months because like i said long distance is hard and how cheese and pinkie are managing it is a miracle in itself.

But what was the secret ingredient?
:pinkiecrazy:

5106443 Thank you!

5439265 From Swear on Camembert, Pinkie: ". . . and the secret ingredient is Gummy, 'cause he tastes like gum, duh . . . "

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