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Ham.
(Fuck you firstfags.)
Anyways, I'm using this as an experiment.
Let's see how long until I actually read this.
I'll add it to the read it later list. I will comment when I read it.
weird even though i read all of it and understood it im stil confused how come?
anyway well written.
>The equine estrus...
Sapient species don't go into heat. It's like having a story where humans dig into tree trunks with sticks to eat fire ants. I know it's just for the story's sake, but that little tiff irritates me. At least it serve an actual narrative purpose instead of a stupid reason for having sex in a fanfic.
>and the new dam normally raised the foal by herself.
And the fact there are marriages in the show, none of that makes sense. But, considering it's fodder for the story, I guess it's okay.
Really nice story, though. It's weird having a fanfic about reverse rape. But it's a cool kinda weird, because it doesn't happen a lot in fanfics. And Big Mac was awesome rescuing those kids. I do like how the sex was a massive tragedy, and not for the reason most readers would think. I like this story.
403887
"Sapient species don't go into heat."
Humans don't do into heat, other mammals do.
And to be fair they have magic so, I think any evolutionary disadvantage would be off set by that.
Good day.
403905 Yeah, but the ponies in these story are sapient, so even if they go into heat, they would still control themselves. Something like that would be beyond dangerous, as even this story actually displays how it wouldn't work.
>other mammals do
That's because they're not sentient in the least. They need to go into heat to preserve the species. Evolved sapient species don't need any of that.
403930
But seeing as we are the only sentient creatures on the world and primates at that, we have no idea if ponies could be sentient and be in heat.
Who knows how got so far in evolution, but seeing they have magic and two gods, I doubt evolution really effected them.
nice i like it thumed up a faved cant wait for next chapter
no next chapter
EDIT:
please continue?
403947 Well, seeing as the ponies are basically the humans of their world, I think people just want 'mare in heat' stories as an excuse for the characters to have sex against their will. And how is them having magic mean they would go into heat? If anything, that just means they evolved farther than humans did, rendering the whole 'heat' crap completely pointless, especially since marriages are canon in the show, and having something that completely takes you over would be disastrous in any society. I mean, monkeys go into heat, but we don't.
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No I mean the whole evolving out of heat doesn't really work, when they have FREAKING MAGIC AND GODS THAT CONTROLL THE HEAVENS.
So yeah.
They could be or could not.
Unless you have a portal, we're not going to know.
404012
>FREAKING MAGIC AND GODS THAT CONTROL THE HEAVENS.
How does that make 'heat' more plausible? I think I've made more that enough points, while you used the same one that makes more of a better argument against heat because they obviously don't follow normal pony conventions (even if they did, heat would've been expunged. It's just logic). It's obvious to anyone who watches the show. Heat is just wishful thinking of clopper's, that's all.
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He means that magic is so much of a fitness advantage that it makes natural selection ineffective. 'Survival of the fittest'? It's actually 'survival of the just fit enough.' Evolution does not get rid of every negative trait.
But I do agree that a sapient species with heat would control themselves.
hmm...first time I've seen someone turn this around and make a raped male, of couse, it goes with the whole idea of Equestria being basically geneder-flipped.
also unique is the fact you included Equine Biology in this...which is what's throwing a lot of people off.
403930
they would still control themselves
Not necessarily, since Big Mac was able to control himself until he was physically and mentally exhausted. I'm not saying you're wrong, or that Willheim is right, I'm just presenting a point.
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>since Big Mac was able to control himself until he was physically and mentally exhausted
That's the narrative you're talking about, not the actual canon of the show (which is what Willheim thinks is possible). You're right in that regard to this story, though, but as 'heat' actually being plausible in FiM? I can't believe that I would need to explain to someone (Willheim) how 'heat' isn't canon.
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While the fact that heat isnt in MLP canon adds credibility to your argument, the canon doesn't conclusively say that there isnt heat, is there? I mean, there's a love poison, which is similar, but not actual heat.
403887 I think the EXACT same thing. EVERY TIME. Oh, and I would like to thank the author for averting this trope. It's overused and makes no logical ethical sense. Though, seeing as they are sapient, this story really doesn't make sense at all, as NaturalGlitch has already said. If something like this happened to humans, that would be bad. Still, most stories treat male rape as funny, which I hate, (See EVERY romance fic on this site for examples) so props to you, author, for basing a story on the fact that it isn't. Also, even though I am off duty, I, as an Officer of the Grammar Police, declare this story to be very-well proofread. Oh, and yes, said...ehrm... "events" shouldn't happen to anything sapient. However, it's overused anyways, and will not be eliminated, so we should accept it as a part of this fandom. Natural selection, by the way, is slight, slight slight changes. It is plausible that some would be overtaken by hormones, but certainly not all of them. Quite a few would lose the hormones making them go into that state, as they are no longer needed with organized society.
Overall, 7 mustaches out of ten.
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Side note to 404222, Wikipedia says that about 10% of all rape victims are male, so it isn't as far fetched as you think.
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>the canon doesn't conclusively say that there isnt heat, is there?
Do you really think the cartoon is going to touch on that subject?
But hey, since the show doesn't say Fluttershy and Rainbow Dash aren't sisters, maybe they are! Or maybe since Trixie and Starswirl the Bearded wear the same style hat, maybe she's a decedent of his! YEAH! I mean, the show didn't tell us they're not, right?! OR MAYBE STARSWIRL IS DISCORD BEFORE HE USED CHAOTIC MAGIC ON HIMSELF TO BECOME POWERFUL! THE SHOW NEVER SAID HE WASN'T, RIGHT?!
A novel story - I haven't seen an approach like this before.
I quite enjoyed it, and while I don't exactly agree that the story should just end there like that, I wouldn't want any further chapters to be forced - and there is a high chance of a sequel chapter coming out like that.
404513
Well played, my good sir. Well played indeed...
On a less serious note, heat or no heat, Big Mac gets all the mares.
404591
>Big Mac gets all the mares.
That's only because he's the closest thing to a stallion main character, and the bronies like to pretend to be him.
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There are many stallions in Ponyville, such as Caramel and other background ponies that either haven't been named or I havent heard of them. Also, you don't need to be a main character to get the ladies. Big Mac gets all the mares because he is Big Mac.
Your heresy has been forgiven. This time.
404708
Oh, okay. Now for something awesome:
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I demand......this be turned into a series. More chapters and we get to set the rapist pony again becuase wow was this good!
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That image is in response to your gif, and also because this is rather overdue, to the author of this fic.
Unfortunately, some real life rape victims feel this way, up to and including killing themselves for being raped, even though being raped was no fault of their own. Men are even less likely to get help, and, in some extreme cases, the crime is not reported because they think that they do not deserve help. So, to any potential rapists out there: Are you really willing to ruin someone's, or maybe even many people's, lives for a fleeting moment of power? Because, if you are, may God have mercy on your soul.
Oh, and male rape is just called rape, no special name for it at all, it is no different in society's eyes. They are considered the same crime, with the same punishments and laws.
And I'm sure that this subsection of fics is just an excuse for a rape plot/subplot, and is not meant to make any sense at all. I encourage all fanfiction authors to avoid it like the plague, unless you want to have an overused theme in your story.
EDIT: And I support this story, as it is hard to write a one shot about rape by any other means.
EDIT 2: On Cracked.com, actual page quote:
"Obviously if you're watching a scene with a woman tied to a bed while a man forces sex on her, the final act of that movie will involve said man getting shot in the face by Bruce Willis. If, on the other hand, it's a man being tied down and forced into sex by a pretty lady, well, you're watching a wacky romantic comedy...
...Will get you: 6 months to freaking life in prison, depending on the circumstances and jurisdiction."
— C. Coville, 6 Romantic Movie Gestures That Can Get You Prison Time, Cracked.com (And yes, that is exactly what he said, though I put it in the wrong order for clarity of reading.)Link is here, crime #4 out of 6.
403887 Re: estrus, I agree wholeheartedly that the concept of the FiM ponies undergoing estrus is barely supportable. But my intention was to write male rape, and I didn't want to perpetuate the myth that rape is a jump-out-of-the-bushes-and-hold-you-down sort of crime by having the rapist be an aggressive and violent mare. So, this scenario fit the bill and I invoked poetic license on the concept of estrus.
404222 404493 I consciously set out to tell a rape story with a male survivor which treated the subject with the seriousness it deserves. Male rape is treated as a myth or a punchline because of our cultural sexual narrative, which says, among other things, that men always want sex (and women never want sex), and Real Men never turn down sex (and Good Girls never agree to sex), and men are always sexually dominant (and women are always sexually passive), and so on, ad nauseum (which has rarely been so appropriate a term). Therefore, "everybody knows" that men can't be raped because there can't possibly be a situation in which a woman wanting to have sex with a man is a bad thing.
So, the stigma against male survivors of rape is tremendous, even greater than that against female survivors of rape (they were "asking for it," because nobody wins with a sexual narrative like that), and so many--probably most--men who have been raped simply never report it, never seek help for the emotional trauma, and never heal from it. It's a tremendous tragedy, and I wanted to address it in some small way.
405378 And I think you did a great job. It's rare to see these kinds of fics.
This was a great read. Loved the concept. Have my thumb.
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I wasn't saying that there is heat, I was just pionting out that normal views on evolution don't really apply to the MLP universe, so untill we no otherwise people could write heat fics and it wouldn't be breaking canon, though I do think it's a bit silly.
405378
in a matriarchal and Matrilineal society, as the MLP universe is commonly viewed, this is not unexpected.
what gets me more is the Freudian excuse you used, equine reproductive cycles.
I doubt a lot of the periphery demographic or even most of the target demographic have seen a horse without a police officer sitting on it!
dropping the "men can be raped, too" anvil is not unexpected, but dropping the "biologically correct" anvil on a bunch of guys that don't know the first thing about critters? i bet there's a few confused readers on that alone :P
406919
Freudian?
I don't think that means what you think it means...
406919
The only thing that's got me confused is your comment, man. What's your point, exactly?
On a side note, you seem to have a definition of "Freudian" that I'm not familiar with, which might explain my confusion. Care to enlighten me?
406953>>406967
ah, I think I screwed up my use, like oblivion thinks. i'd meant in the "trope" sense. I just hate making "dum-dum" comments, 'cause I can't get them right, either :P
i just checked, and yeah, I got it wrong. thanks Oblivion,
this is what I thought I meant
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FreudianExcuse
what I shoulda said, I think, is that a lot people wouldn't "get" the reason he GOT raped was because every female for miles was in heat, and needed it NOW...because people do't have that kind of "desperatly need a -BLEEP-" I'm also used to thinking of a lot of people on the internet as being "city folk" that never heard of that kind of thing, before.
'course, you know what they say about "Assume" :P
dernit son dernit, ever since I dern read the comments above, I ain't felt good 'bout stories and mares going into heat. Big Mac is being such a dern bitch.
If anyone wants to see a video of something similar to this (Abuse, not rape. Duh.), What Would You Do had a skit on this. It took "hours and hours" for someone to tell the woman to stop. Sheesh. And IMO, more people need to do this. And if anyone needs help...
Stumbled here from a blog post on One Man's Pony Ramblings. I've been reading up on DV and rape (with some focus on abused males) ever since getting out of an abusive relationship, so this story came as an unexpected surprise.
I've got mixed feelings about how this story played out. I feel like this is a rape story where there are no rapists. While I applaud how emphasis is put on dealing with a survivor's feelings of disgust and worthlessness, I feel like neither story really meshed with what I've heard, seen, and experienced. Perhaps that's for the best, as I'd be pretty sad to see trigger warnings before a story set in the FiM universe.
Let's start with Mac. Other commenters have said all that's needed to be said about how estrus was overly convenient to the plot. What was not discussed, however, was how else it could have been used. In-universe (the story's, at least), how different is estrus from any other capacity-reducing substance such as alcohol or drugs? You've mentioned that rape isn't the "jump out of the bushes" scenario that most people envision, and I'll add that the reality is that it is often someone you know, and tragically often it is someone close. In addition, most rapes involve drugs and alcohol, as people with reduced capacities find it much harder to exert self-control.
Because of your plot device and scenario, neither party is at capacity when sex happens (though Mac's capacity was notably lower). Mac is certainly not at fault that sex happened, but in this case, neither is the mare. When two drunk people have sex, trying to hold either legally responsible is an exercise in madness. I suppose that laws don't have to be broken for people to face emotional consequences, but I wouldn't call anything rape that I couldn't justify in a courtroom.
As for Jet Stream, your scenario doesn't even offer any question about consent. Prostitution isn't pretty, and it's certainly illegal in most places, but it isn't rape. Both parties are adults and gave consent. There was no coercion used to make Jet Stream think that she had no options or that not going through with it would have consequences (like if she was fired for refusing, to give an easy example). Like before, you address the emotional consequences of the character's actions but the scenario it is crafted around just isn't rape.
I wouldn't say that either the mare that used Mac for seed or the stallion that used his employee's money problems as a ticket for a sex outlet are good ponies. That doesn't make them rapists. Not under the standard of the law.
So my thoughts at the end of the fic were: Wow, a fic that addresses the emotional fallout of some of the darker sides of sex. So why do I feel like I wanted a story where this was accompanied by characters who actually engaged in non-consentual or coerced sex, or had only one party at reduced capacities?
Conclusion: I'm a terrible person because, when it comes to rape, I'm not as interested in the survivor's healing process (regardless of scenario) as I am with the mechanics behind it. It took a degree of thought and self control for me to not simply comment that it "wasn't real rape", as if that mattered when trying to treat a survivor's trauma
Here's my resource for the male side of rape and abuse.
1496398 Thanks for coming over from Chris' blog. : )
I agree with nearly everything you've said. I consider this story quite weak, for a number of reasons. The chief offender is simply that at the time I was writing this story, I had little to no confidence in my ability to convincingly portray a lifelike rape scenario, one in which the rapist is known to the victim, without unintentionally trivializing or flanderizing some aspects. I didn't want to make that mistake, so I elected to make a different one, knowing full well that I was doing so. I still feel that weakening the story by having no rapists was the right choice given my fears of harming rather than helping.
Regarding the question of consent in each scenario, you're correct as far as it goes. The thrust of the story I was reaching for had more to do with the emotional aftermath of becoming a victim and with self-victimization than with any legal definition of rape. The legal definition of rape is rather problematic in general—let's not forget that in a number of American states, a man cannot be raped by a woman in the eyes of the law. The fact that Big Mac and Jet Stream had experiences that American law would likely not consider rape does not invalidate their feelings of violation, which is what I chose to focus on.
But yeah, as I said, I agree with you for the most part regarding the story's weaknesses and failings. It's a subject I've considered tackling again with a firmer handle on how to write fine-grained emotional work. I don't know whether that will come to pass or not, but there it is.
Thanks for the comment, I appreciate your thoughts.
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I hope you do decide to tackle this subject matter again in the future. For all its flaws, I found this story to be engaging and that's enough for me to look for more. Best of luck either way.
I...I...this is so.... bad for his reputation
or maybe good I don't know