Spike overcomes the odds of the pony supremacists who are always writing stories that do not include him. After today, that will never happen again.
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This is what I call tru justice
Wow....just wow...
Silly, but fun.
It looks like he's afraid because he see his name up in the title.
I... uum... It was a good.... Idea?
Not what I was expecting but... alright then?
I don't know if Spike was really included enough in this story. Maybe add a little more of him somewhere? You don't want to look like a pony supremacist.
Wow... This is like straight out of some dystopian work...
That is...
dark.
But well written.
Creepy AND Crazy, but it does what the title say, oh well
Wait dark, well shit... WHAT?!?! I CAN'T SEE!
Missing the comedy tag.
Well, that was... A thing.
As mildly amusing as that was, (which I guess is a bit of a take that to what I surmise the author see as overreaction to Spike's lack of inclusion, in the show and/or the fandom), I'd be more favourably inclined if I didn't think that line of thinking does have something of a point, sometimes... Given that he doesn't appear to have a life or friends outside the Mane Six in canon (it is implied he did have them in Canterlot by some things in season one, but we haven't really seen him hanging out with anyone else if four seasons even in passing - and he does seem to get lumped in with pets awfully often...) and in the fandom he does tend to be ignored or dismiised fairly often.
...'Scuse me while I go edit my fic to contain more Spike...
Looks familiar... can't quite recall what episode that purple lizard starred in though.
It's not an OC though, right? Just checking.
I guess I'll just read and find out.
Now that's a fine use of the dark tag.
*following publication of this story, all character tags were changed to Spike*
Honestly, this premise could have been any number of things. Comedy, sad, slice of life, etc. The dark take is unique.
.............
That was ... weird. That's all I can use to describe it.
Why is it dark, though. Because Twilight is killed and then Spike is all sad and nobody notices? 
4181113 i think you answered your own question there kid
Well.... I'm not saying it was bad, but WHAT THE HELL?!
...Wow.
Poor Spike. I'll never exclude you from my stories again!
All hail the Dragonborn!
Neat. I give you 3 mustach points dear writter
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He's a pony supremacist! Quick get my rope, we must get rid of him!
*Currently dying of laughter*
Okay Okay I GET IT....I'll never call Twilight a raicist again
Okay, I've got a serious complaint about this story.
Do you see this? This is a direct excerpt from the story. It's also 214 words without the word "Spike" in them.
You say you have Spike in this story, but this quote only emphasizes how un-Spiked your story is. I'm not sure you understand how insulting this is to Spike.
My suggestion: Re-write the entire story to include more Spike. He deserves better treatment than you've given him.
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I am shamed.
I apologize to everypony for my lack of proper attention to Spike. Immediately following this post, I will be punishing myself harshly.
This is a great story
If you can think of a an idea for a sequel of do it
Well, I'm convinced. Clearly all of those suggestions that Spike is too frequently overlooked by writers are just so much hot air - I mean just look what would happen if we had listened to them!
You didn't use Spike's name in every sentence! SPIKE HATER! PONY SUPREMECIST!
...seriously though, I loved this. Was hoping someone would write something related to all the Spike "drama".
neat
4590608
Wow, this story suddenly got a lot of attention. Well, now that it has, let me just quickly explain a thing.
Of course Spike shouldn't be overlooked. He is absolutely an important character. And yes, there are times where people don't include him when he probably should be included.
But at the same time, this doesn't mean that he should be in every story. There are some people who seem to think that if an author does not insert Spike into EVERYTHING, then the author is a horrible pony supremacist. I've had two or three of my stories get comments about how obviously I must hate Spike and want him to die because I didn't include him in a story. This bothered me, because I like to think I tend to give Spike a fair shot. One of my most popular stories is all about him, and in my stories where Twilight and Rarity are dating, I give him a fair amount of detail in how he's dealing with his sister/mother figure and his crush dating. But when I'm writing a story about Twilight being upset that Pinkie's Hearth's Warming gift to her wasn't as extravagant as the one she gave, I feel Spike doesn't HAVE to be there.
So I wrote this story one day after I read two stories in a row where one certain user attacked the authors for not including Spike when there was no point to including him. I won't say the user's name here (It was originally in the description as a shout-out until he (not-so) kindly requested that I remove it), but that kind of thing bugs the hell out of me.
On the positive side, a fun story came from it!
But I do understand your point. Neglecting of Spike does happen, and it shouldn't, but he doesn't have to be EVERYWHERE.
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I'm glad you had fun writing it, but I gotta say reading it wasn't.
It's not a story - its an author tract. And there's not enough fiction here to hide the rant. Since the rant itself is a giant strawman argument...yeah, not a fun read.
I know someone tossed this into Spike Fanfictions, that's what brought me here.
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I'd be very interested to know how this is a straw man argument. Perhaps the use of the phrase "every story" is a bit of exaggeration, but the fact remains that I've seen plenty of times where writers have been attacked for not including Spike in their story. And to make things clear, I don't mean stories which clearly required Spike's presence, nor do I mean "simply asking for Spike to be included" when I say attacking. I mean stories in which Spike's presence would add absolutely nothing to the story, and I mean people accusing writers of being "pony supremacists," hating Spike, and wishing for him to die.
Seeing someone attack someone like that for not putting Spike in a little fluffy ship story between Twilight and Pinkie is ridiculous. Applejack is my favorite character. I don't go into Raridash stories and say "Why didn't you put Applejack in this story?! You are racist against earth ponies and clearly wish she was dead!" This is partially because I am a mostly-sensible human being, but also partially because I realize that not every character has to be everywhere. When I hang out with friends, I don't always hang out with every friend of mine at the same time. Yes, sometimes Spike gets left out a little more often, but if the character doesn't fit in the story, then I see no need to include them. This goes not only for Spike, but for any character. This doesn't make me a horrible pony supremacist. This makes me a person who doesn't waste their time writing in unnecessary characters.
Again, I will agree that Spike is an important character who deserves the spotlight sometimes, and that sometimes he doesn't get the respect he deserves. But that doesn't warrant the behavior that some of his fans express towards writers who don't include him as much as they believe he should be included. For this to have been a straw man argument, I would have had to misrepresent the other person's argument, but when the other person presents their argument with the amount of vitriol that this other user did/does, then I feel that the way the story rebuked it represented it rather well. If anything, the user that inspired me to write this story was using a straw man argument by taking the situation of a person just writing a story and misrepresenting that into them being terrible pony supremacists who want Spike to commit suicide.
And this has nothing to do with you not enjoying the story. That's fine! I can't expect everyone to like everything I write.
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When it comes to Spike, the fandom has roughly four positions:
1) Spike is an awful character and shouldn't appear in any story—even if it revolves around Twilight or takes place in the library.
2) Spike is one interesting character among many. He appears in stories about as often as he should.
3) Spike is one interesting character among many. Unfortunately he's often overlooked in stories, even when he should appear.
4) Spike is an awesome character and should appear in every story—even if it revolves around FlutterDash or is set entirely at Sweet Apple Acres.
I think most of us can agree that positions one and four are extreme. And I understand the intent of your story is to mock number four. So then why do I say it's a strawman? Because of this:
You use author fiat to shoot down any suggestion that Spike is ever overlooked, left out, or mistreated. Further, you give it extra weight by having the words come directly from Spike. So— for the purposes of your story—anyone who objects to Spikes' treatment is objectively wrong. And they are equally wrong whether they espouse the moderate "Spike is too often overlooked" position or the extreme "Spike needs to be in everything" position.
Preemptively declaring your opponents arguments to be wrong and then writing a farce that shows what happens if you push their ideas to a ridiculous extreme? Looks like a strawman to me.
Why twilight
My mind was full of "WTF?" as I read this.
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My view of Spike is teetering on the border of #1 (because of Sparity) and #2 (because he deserves some amount of attention).
4593349
Like half the mane six in "Princess Jerk Sparkle McButt"? From what I recall, only Twilight and Fluttershy served any purpose. AJ, Dash, and Rarity were probably necessary due to their history with Trixie, but Pinkie Pie didn't need to be there. She was unnecessary, yet hypocritically included. At least Spike would have added some extra conflict and perspective for Trixie.
Regardless of what you might have to say about that, it doesn't change that you ignore and perpetuate the problem by condoning the idea that Spike doesn't fit anywhere, that he has no place among his friends.
The mane six frequently do...or don't, actually, because it's typically at Spike's expense. Stories like "Princess McButt" make me feel as though if I had friends like those ponies but never got to spend time with them, they wouldn't care. Your vision argues that it's perfectly okay for everyone Spike knows to be deeply involved in each other's lives while he's on the outside looking in, occasionally tagging along. That's what brings the frownies, not these Pinkielight fics of yours:
Agreed. I wouldn't attack a story like that unless "all" six ponies were celebrating the holiday without him.
Emprtybee is right: in this story, Spike is representative of you ignoring the core issue.
Well, ya kinda did.
See? That sure as shit never happened. But to be more precise:
Nor do I. I comment on stories that include all fucking six of Spike's friends/family enjoying one another's company without him, and I've only ever used ridiculous phrases like "pony supremacist" in the form of bitter sarcasm. What is ridiculous is that you would take such a thing seriously (which you did, and have subsequently produced a straw man argument).
For the record, I've kindly convinced more people to include Spike in something than I've "viciously attacked" anyone.
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Taken verbatim from a comment on the Twilight/Pinkie story I spoke about:
Because the girls were exchanging gifts. Yes, the line "the the ponies who mattered the most to her in the entire world" was used. Is this saying that Spike is unimportant to them? No. They were having dinner with each other. Spike may have been lying down, or spending time with other friends, or a multitude of things. Perhaps he might have chosen to abscond from the table when the girls decided to start being mushy with each other. I don't see the need to have to explain where he is in this case. What does it add to the story if I do? It's a story about an exchange of gifts between Twilight and Pinkie. One could also have asked, "Where's Apple Bloom/Big Mac/Granny Smith/Sweetie Belle/Scootaloo/many others?" If I did toss in a line about where he was, one could even ask, "Why should Spike get special consideration?" And then the next paragraph would be full of "Big Mac was off in the fields and Granny Smith was baking a pie and Twist was on fire" and tons of time would be wasted.
I'll reiterate a few points here:
1) I'm not trying to say that it's false that Spike is sometimes left out when he should be involved. I agree that it happens.
2) I'm not trying to say that you or Emptybee are attacking me in the manner that I brought up. I don't think you are, and I appreciate that for the most part, you're debating this intelligently instead of taking the low road.
There are only two things I'm trying to say here:
1) Spike doesn't need to be in every single story ever (And I know you specifically aren't trying to say he should be)
2) Even though you two are not saying this, there ARE people who make those types of claims. And those people are the reason this story was written.
SO, if this story was written in response to the people (well, specifically person, in this case) who reacted to my story and numerous other stories in this manner, then it is not misrepresenting anything. It's taking the exaggeration pointed at me and responding with exaggeration in kind. I feel it very much represents the barbs thrown at me and others by the person who inspired this story.
4639670 Sounds like bitter sarcasm to me.
That's the problem.
It tells us why he isn't with "the ponies who matter the most to him in the entire world." On the same note, if I'm interpreting the premise here correctly, the other four ponies didn't need to be there. If it was just about Twilight and Pinkie, then you did indeed waste time and space on four superfluous characters who were just as unnecessary as Spike. I would downvote that crap, too.
You mean the characters who aren't part of Twilight's circle of friends like Spike is? Characters who have friends and families to be with, which Spike does not? That's one of the arguments I'm really tired of. Covering Spike and neglecting the rest is not special treatment; he's the only one who has nowhere else to be, and no one else to be with. He's the only one whose whereabouts a reader can't assume.
I appreciate that you agree Spike is missed a little too often, and that you get my and Emptybee's arguments, but from the sound of it, this story was written because you mistook another user's exasperated sarcasm for actual "claims". To write a whole story because someone expressed frustration not only fails to solve the problem, but adds to the number of reasons to be frustrated. Right now, I wish I had enough time to write a fic about a brony who arrives in Equestria to hit Spike, but keeps screwing up and killing fan-favorite ponies in ugly and violent ways.
This was so twisted... is it bad that I started laughing by the time I finished reading? It was just so ridiculous that I couldn't help myself
Haha! Good one, man! Great joke!
... O-oh, that's how this story is? Uh... This might be super uncomfortable to read.
Actually I laughed all through it. Am I a terrible person?
I laughed through out the whole story. Not ashamed in the least.
Um....well, at least it ended on a semi-happy note.
Most excellent.
Rod Serling reborn, A Twilight zone episode !
All he had to do is just "not hear" what the others said, forcing them to all kill themselves for being pony supremacists, or just burn all of the oxygen in the case with his fire breath.. Well, assuming they got fireproof glass, else he's just gonna send glass modern art to Princess Celestia.
(And then a bunch of molten bones. What? They were probably all changelings anyways.)
So...that's it? Was it a dream? If it wasn't a dream then Princess Celestia would banish them!