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Totally Spike!
I totally believe that! Nopony messes with Lua!!!
OCTAVIA?!?!?!
I'd probably feel the same way.
Give it time Twilight..give it time.
Damn, that must've been a crazy time!
I guess even the demons have their limits...
Wise words from a wise ruler.
Oh boy, here we go!
This has a better start than the old one. Will continue to track.
From a grammar enthusiastic: Celestia and I, not Me and Celestia.
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Fixed.
I'm glad you liked it so much.
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Damn, this must be one of the most extensive comments I've ever received. Thank you so much. Oh, and just so you know, Octavia is going to have a big role in this version. You're going to get a decent picture of that next chapter.
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Can't wait to see it! By the way, I read your other story of Sweetie Devil, and it was gloriously and devilishly brilliant!!!
Nice work so far, keep it up.
Oh Luna!
Wow, quite the Vigilant one aren't you Tavi?
DERPY?! Hell yes!!!
WHAT?!?!
SHIT!!! PREPARE FOR BATTLE!!!
GO DERPY!!!
Take that mother bucker!!!
Nice one!!! Show those demons who's boss!!!
Wait...what?
Something is very fishy here....
Or maybe they're taking out the big guns!!!
Go, hurry!!!
NO!!!
Son of a bitch!!!
GO OCTAVIA AND DERPY!!!
I'm guessing that's very bad.
OCTAVIA!!!
Oh thank goodness Octi's okay!
They're not messing around this time.
They're gone...but what about...?
Neither do I.
Oh Spike...Twilight....
Damn!
LUNA!!!
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TEAR HIM APART!!!
BRING THE FULL MIGHT OF THE SUN ON YOU!!!
Or that, either way!
You son of a...!!!
Celestia....
Twilight, at this point, there's no other option!
Do it for her!
Yes you can!!!
DO IT NOW!!!
NO, YOU IDIOT!!!
TWILIGHT!!!
YOU...!!!
And it only gets worse form here.
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I think I'm going to be looking forward to your comments at the end of each chapter. They fill me with joy.
Oh, if you only knew how prophetic this statement is going to turn out to be.
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Color me intrigued...and terrified!
The buck?
That's what I'm wondering....
Wait.......oh crap!!!
Only somepony like Pinkie Pie could host a celebration like this!!! Still, this SO not good!!!
And hurry, you have to get back to the others!!!
This is so not right!!! You should be out of here by now!!!
OH SHUT UP!!! We all know none of you are real!!!
Sorry 'AJ' no can do.
Once again, sorry, but she ain't staying' here!!!
Twilight....
It's all coming back now...Octavia, Derpy, Bon Bon, Celestia, LUNA!!!
Breathe Twilight, breathe! Now is not the time to be freaking out now! Don't make the same mistake you did in the last chapter!!!
LEAVE HER ALONE!!!
SOMEPONY GET HER OUT OF THERE!!!
Oh Twilight....
If these were real, I'd do this: !!!
Well that came out of the blue!!!
Indecent bunch aren't they? Then again, this is a dream!!!
Either because you really fantasized about this, or because someone is making you.
Heh, noticed early on, huh Twi?
Heh, always knew Rarity was a slut....
If it was you doing it alone, probably not.
Probably not the best idea, but hey, what have you got to lose.
And the inner primal desires burst fourth!
Jeez Twilight, you're going crazy! Then again, I think I can see AJ doing that.
Stay focused Twi...no matter how awesome all of this is, stay focused!
That must've been intense....
Why am I not surprised by the fact that Rarity and RD are Bi!!!
Typcial Dash!!!
True, but hey...you never really know just how many pleasurable quirks there are to being an Alicorn Twi. Maybe Celestia, or even Luna can help you in that department...when all of this mess is said and done that is!
Damn, I knew that Fluttershy was dirty on the inside but WHOA!!!
I swear if that stallion was really real...!!!
That fast?!?!?!
Scientifically and biologically Impossible! that's what that was!
Wait...is that?!?!?!
YOU...!!!
YOU GET THAT FILTHY DEMONIC DICK OUT OF HER RIGHT NOW YOU BASTARD!!!
She more or less was until YOU came along!!!
You what?!?! So...oh boy....
So I was right about Twi having thoughts about her friends like this...just not in the way I hoped, given the situation.
You son of a...!!!
Especially when she found out you were the one bucking her to paradise and back!!!
UNCLAW HER THIS INSTANT YOU FIEND!!! OR I WILL DELIVER THE FULL MIGHT OF THE KAMEKAMEHA BLAST ON YOU!!!
DON'T YOU DARE!!!
YOU GET YOUR FILTHY CLAWS OFF OF HER!!!
What a nightmare to wake up from....
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I warned you things would only get worse.
Though I guess things might be looking slightly up for Twiliy in the next chapter, if only by virtue of having no place further down to go. At the moment
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On a side note you have some rather kinky head cannons about the main six.
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Oh shit....
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You mean about Twi being into bedonism, Rarity and RD being bisexual, Applejack getting off on cider, Pinkie Pie being into gangbang orgy, and Fluttershy being into rough treatment?
So are the Elements still going to go to Las Pegasus? Because if not, that'a going to invalidate a good portion of Sweetie Devil. In fact, these rewrites probably already created a need to rewrite the Sweetie Devil chapter where the Elements specifically leave for Las Pegasus from Ponyville.
You are now...I think.
Spike?
He is now...bastard.
Spike you may not want to-!
Sorry Spike...but I think the last thin Twi needs is a hug.
Just go guys...please.
It'll be okay Spike.
A very sick and depraved dream! Created by him!
I don't know Twi....
Your not fine Twilight.
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...
...
Say, Illumi, you wouldn't mind if I douse Asmodeous with a Kamehameha Blast, a Fire Dragon Flame Lotus Phoenix Sword, a Flame Lotus Exploding Flame Blade, and a Lightning Dragon Devolution Fist would you? Cause I think that's exactly what he needs...and much more .
You're far from fine Twilight....
And your saying your not?
And the freaky seizure Asmodeous put you in!!!
Just give her a minute.
Wrong, you just got your head screwed over that's all.
Deep breaths Twi...in and out, in and out...
After what she's been through, she needs it.
It has all of us on edge!
Very little.
Following in your parents footsteps.
In times like this, those are good words of advice.
It has been on all of us.
I'm betting its a lot.
Got your work cut out for you don't you?
Two weeks?!
Crap....
In the second chapter, yes.
Oi, watch it bucko!
Well, that's good.
Oh I don't doubt that.
Celly...Lulu.
Yeah, about that....
Good question.
Possibly.
Very puzzling indeed.
Not the time guys.
They most certainly did, and yet....
Very true.... There was something else going on.
Maybe.
Eenope, they have not.
Hmmm....
I see....
I wouldn't put it past them to do just that. Why else would that act that way when they attacked Canterlot?
Eeyup.
Now that'll be difficult.
Why shouldn't you?
Lyra!!!
From what? Lyra?
Who else but Lyra?
Leave Lyra alone!!!
Before I blast the ones who insulted you into the sky!
And the one who mind raped you!
The source of all this evil!
And there you go...when Lyra has something important to say...listen.
True, but that this point, you have no choice.
Twi, what other method could you possibly use to defeat this guy?
Sorry Twilight but that options out.
Because you left yourself open.
That...actually makes a lot of sense!!!
I don't doubt it either. I mean, I like Discord, but....
Yeah, I don't think everypony's ready to warm up to Discord just yet.
Oh Twi....
Octi!
Listen Octavia, I know that you're trying to get Twilight to see how much she's messing up right now, but watch. your. tongue!!!
Bluey does have a point Twi..it doesn't matter if you keep the Elements away from Asmodeous, he still go in search of them anyway and pick them off one by one. The only chance you have is standing together as one...there's a reason why there's six Elements of Harmony, because all six Elements are needed to be Asmodeous! What you're planning will only help him in cutting off time for his search for them and taking them for his own after he's taken care of you...unless that is, he decides not to kill you and take you and the girls for his own carnal desires. But you see my point.
There is only one option...to fight him head on, together!!!
Atta girl!!!
And here we go....
ALL HAIL THE QUEEN OF MAGIC!!!
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I've written about this in some of the blog posts, but basically Sweetie Devil is getting a partial rewrite. Everything up to Alda's first appearance is being rewriten, and I'm currently sotting on four chapters which have already been rewriten, which will be released closer to the time when the stories are merged.
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Always a joy to read your comments.
Yes, Octavia is a bit of a hardass in this story, but to be fair Twilight is sort of gonna need someone like that for what's to come.
Oh, and don't worry, Asmodeus will eventually get what's coming to him. In fact, to give you a better picture of what'll happen to him, well... maybe this song will be apropraite.
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I hadn't seen those blog posts. Gonna have to go do that.
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Wonderful....
Hmm, while I prefer this over what I vaguely remember of the original start, I think it has some big flaws:
Now, as to why I say diverging from canon is a flaw in general, it's because your fic doesn't really start by jarring people out of canon, it starts with the very familiar show events and characters, but then it suddenly has them different partway through the chapter. This subversion of expectations is grating when it has no emotional payoff involved, and its purpose of tweaking things to fit the fic seems unnecessary. Ask yourself, does specifically Octavia need to be specifically a hardass? I don't say this sentence or anything resembling it often, but I think Prince Blueblood would've been better for that role in this chapter.
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Firstly, thank you for leaving such in depth criticism, I really appreciate readers who take the time out to do this. Now to address your points.
1. Yeah, I agree with this. Over writing has always been one of my biggest flaws as a writer and I sort of need to get a sense of when enough is enough.
2. Agreed, I'll tweak this part a bit to make it seem less risky and foolish on the Princesses' parts.
3. Okay this one confuses me a bit. In the show, we really only get a slight glimpse of Octavia's character in episode 100, and any other information about her can only be speculated from her background appearances. We don't know enough about her to definitively say what her personality is like, even less so to start speculating on how her personality would change if she were placed into a high stress combat scenario as she is in this fic. Honestly, a big reason why I chose to use the background ponies as Order Agents is because their loosely defined character traits give me some wiggle room to spin my own interpretations
4. I would argue that any leader should at least be familiar with these kinds of things even if they're not going to make it a focus. Octavia's argument in this scene is less that Twilight needs to devote herself to the Order and more that she should at least be prepared incase a situation ever does arise where Celestia and Luna are unable to lead and she needs to take the reigns. You might have a point on her insistence on practical experience however, I'll think that one over.
5. I feel that some events from the main show had to have gone down differently in this universe due to the presence of demons. Luna was explicitly stated in this chapter to have devoted a significant amount of time to fighting the hordes of hell, founding the Order, and otherwise dealing with demons on a regular basis. Picture those descriptions of the ponies slaughtered by demons at the end of the chapter. Now picture dealing with shit like that every day, for years on end. Yeah, that's going to effect you after awhile. It would make less sense if Nightmare Moon's takeover attempt wasn't more bloody in this version.
6. I think this one is less of a plot hole and more of a failure on my part to clearly define how demons operate in this world. They're not some unified force out to burn down Equestria. (Not until Asmodeus shows up at least). They don't have the power to face Celestia, Luna, The Elements, and the Order head on. None of their attacks are focused towards a particular goal in anyway, rather it's solely for the purpose of satisfying their most perverse desires. They have no larger ideology which they fight for, no sense of kinship or nationality with which to defend. They simply hurt others because they want to. These are creatures that will skin your entire family right in front of you and force you to rape their dead corpses because they think it's funny. In the case of the descendants of the Order which they slaughtered, they simply saw an opportunity to hurt the Order and hurt Celestia. They didn't care about changing Celestia's behavior, they didn't care about causing any lasting damage to the Order, some of them probably didn't even care that Celestia killed them in the end. They only cared about hurting her, and inflicting pain on as many others as they could. Because in the grand scheme of things, that's all they will ever be capable of doing.
7. I'd say this one is debatable. Yes, Celestia tends toward a gentle guiding hand style of leadership, but I think she's more than capable of being blunt if the situation is serious enough. She certainly doesn't mince words when briefing Twilight on the latest threats to Equestria like Discord or Sombra, in the later case she casually uses dark magic just prove a point. In this context, she's making a damn important point. Twilight is in a position where one wrong move on her part can and will result in the deaths of innocent ponies, and she wants this to be crystal clear at the front of her mind before making any sudden decisions. Celestia is kind ruler, but I'd like to believe she gets a little more strict when lives are on the line.
8 & 9. Grammar mistakes and syntax errors, nothing to disagree with here. I'll get them fixed.
Um, familiar show characters, yes. Familiar show events, no, I don't really think so. You have Twilight stressing out about her new found Princess role sure, but then it goes straight into secret demon hunting Order, and studying really fucked up books on occult ritual and murder. Hell, the opening paragraph heavily implies that Christianity was once a thing in this world. That in and of itself wildly diverges from cannon, to the point where I'm not quite sure what more I could do to shock you out of the cannon mindset.
Now I've already explained my confusion with Octavia, so instead I'll just say, Blueblood? Really? I know he's dick, but if you're concerned about cannon authenticity then I don't see how that character could ever in a million years be seen as a demon hunter type. He's more like a snobby, narcissistic aristocrat, who would sooner fiddle as Rome burned than risk his own neck.
Thanks again for leaving such awesome criticism. I really appreciate it.
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Jarring people out of the familiar would mostly center around the very first scene, with Twilight and Spike, to have them talk about something that wouldn't fit in the show. The show itself had a preacher-looking pony, so it's much less jarring to see something about religion tossed in.
The glimpse we got of Octavia showed her attitude, which was one of professional enthusiasm and adventurous problem-solving. That's completely incompatible with what we get here, and the problem with the argument is she comes across as demanding Twilight give up other pursuits to devote everything to defense immediately, when it's likely not necessary. She may not be intended that way, but that's how it read.
Blueblood, from the glimpse we got, was inconsiderate of others and brash, which is compatible with how Octavia acts here. He'd also make a lot of sense as being out of the limelight because he's busy with Order stuff, seeing social niceties as trivial as he's got a nation to help defend.
As for the demons, the problem is doing that to so many ponies, and without getting caught prior to the trap, requires extreme organization and usage of resources. It'd make more sense if, instead, things were piecemeal, that when they'd stop one group of demons, another would spring up somewhere else to do similar, but not quite the same, things. Celestia wouldn't've been able to keep up with the "brush fires". Their disorganization and consequent disconnectedness would be an advantage, as one group wouldn't be able to reveal info about another.
In the end, after decades, not a single descendant would be left.
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The show does have one or two characters that appeared in what looked like traditionally religious garb, but it has always given the subject of religion itself a wide berth. The closest it ever got to discussing religion in general was with the Pinkie sense, and it has never given any indication that any of the Abrahamic faiths existed in Equestria. Going from that to an unambiguous account of Lucifer falling from heaven should be more than enough to distinguish this from cannon.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on Octavia's personality, although I'll admit I could've been clearer on what her argument was this chapter, as well as the context in which she was making.
That suggestion about the demons sounds good actually, I think I'll right that in at some point.
A few things I noticed:
Other than that, chapter is a tad long and could've done with being split into two parts.
Little to say here other than I think some of the unnamed ponies could've been known BG ponies (I think we only got mane 6 and...Lemon Hearts? Very odd), it's odd in all the depravity that the CMC aren't even briefly shown, and it's odd the demon never even had anypony touch Twi's other hole (especially with the double penetration potential).
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It was actually my intention that this sounded a little out of place.
The idea here is that Luna had just happened to hear a modernish euphemism and is now repeating it to try and sound more "in with it". Perhaps this particular phrase wasn't the best choice to get that idea across. Can you suggest some alternatives?
Agreed. I'll tweak this a bit.
Probably tweak this too.
I'll try and tweak this a bit for the sake of it feeling less like plot armor, but I should point out that I did intend for the Order to come off as a little overpowered in this chapter (at least when it came to mook tier demons.)
People are perfectly capable of making poor health decisions on their own, corporate advertisements just spur them on. I don't foresee this changing in Equestria, especially if you're willing to accept other unhealthy habits such as drinking and cigars.
I'll look into this.
Thank you again for the in depth criticism. It's truly appreciated.
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"The loo" would be an obvious mild drop-in; perhaps "the shitter" if you want it intense (given they appear to have the word "shit" in their vocabulary), or "the crapper" for a middle-ground approach that would retain much of the comedic value of Luna not realizing how vulgar it is.
Basically, "the can" feels out of place to me because it has a connotation of being urban American slang that would be more a Manehattan thing than Canterlot, and is so euphemistic as to be a bit jarring as something trying to show Luna is trying to be hip with the less prim and proper types there.
The order didn't feel overpowered, because they kept losing lots of mook-tier agents (making them seem to only slightly win overall). It ended up feeling like only the three named characters were overpowered, which is the trouble. To make the overpoweredness be spread among the order in general, you'd want to reduce the amount of losses, and more evenly distribute losses between named and unnamed characters (ideally, nameds are more likely to die than unnameds, to completely remove a plot armor feeling just from being named and given lines). You'd also want some unnamed agents to pull off surprise survival/victory, and for Bon Bon in particular to do it a little less.
Without rereading, I remember something on the order of a minimum of 12 dead agents among a total force not exceeding 40. So, among unnamed characters, that's 12 out of 37...a death rate of 32%, which makes them look incredibly weak. Maybe I got the total size of the force wrong, but it felt somewhat unclear while reading, and didn't seem like more than a few dozen (I initially put 30 above instead of 40...).
Relatedly, I should mention that only 3 characters really talking and being named felt a bit odd in and of itself. I recommend at least 5 and at most 7 given meaningful dialog. Combined with the above, 2 could die alongside 6 unnameds and that'd put deaths at an overall rate of 20%, which would make the order feel somewhat overpowered, while dissolving the plot armor feeling.
Oh yes, individuals will for sure make poor choices, but the issue is that at a scale of societal decision-making (gov't lawmaking, mostly), ponies would prohibit the development of industries based around exploiting poor decision-making and making ponies in large quantities develop severe health problems.
Is this a vore story
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This chapter isn't bad exactly, but it's over 11k words and hardly anything happens; it gets really bogged down in giving us everything said at the meeting.
As to the specifics:
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Yeah, maybe a line explaining Blueblood's behavior is necessary. Would something like this do?
Also, by the "Oh shit", are you referring to when Dagger-Heart saw Lyra come in? Cause I thought it was an appropriate response for seeing someone she legitimately believes to be dangerous walk in.
This is more setup for Lyra's character later on. She has a bit of reputation within the Order.
Also—
>Lyra admits to having been a murderer and a devil worshipper.
>Dagger-Heart is overreacting
okay
And as for the general criticism of it being too long, any suggestions on where to start cutting?
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Maybe just make the Manehattan stuff more vague, having them know less about it.
If you add something like that, try to have them whisper it to her as advice, both so ponies are actually being helpful to the now-in-charge princess and showing restraint being exercised instead of spouting things out and creating conflict in a way running against nobility and decorum.
The "oh shit" was appropriate as a response, but the trouble is that it was said right in front of the princess, and nopony reacted to it, including the one that made it. I'd at least expect something like "...pardon my language" to show the character knows it was an unwanted outburst and has respect for the others at the meeting, or if not, the others to at least give an admonishing glare her way.
Same deal with Dagger-Heart wanting Lyra thrown out...brazenly raising concerns in a way that could prevent a princess actually getting information and everypony accepting that as normal behavior makes everypony look dumb.
Overall, you have things too far in the American cultural direction of social interaction, where everyone speaks their mind and externalizes disagreement; but in contexts with more "tact" or "stiff upper lips", like royalty, you really want a more British or even Japanese cultural approach, where people are held back primarily by internalized rules, to the point they may not even lay out in the open chastisement of another's faux pas.
For cutting, you should start with Twilight deciding to bring the council to her. Everything prior to that is great personal drama, but it gets bogged down around the conflict about Twilight's problems being physical or mental, and it takes too long to get to the actual council showing up. Cutting should pretty much happen across everything else, and I think the main dragging bit in the meeting is figuring out Asmodeus' plan (it was a tad obvious before anypony said it) and repetition about Manehattan (yes, it's important, but it really only needs two references to be so, and you could reduce the detail about it).
Should be "bear in mind", not "bare".
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Did you mean:
Or is Vinyl also a demon hunter?