Bedroom Discussions
My Thoughts On What It Means To Love And Be Loved
I think part of the problem that I'm having is that humans never evolved for this situation. I just don't mean in the sense that our bodies aren't made for it, but our social structure was never had to deal with a situation like this before. Never before has there been another sentient race on the earth that we could communicate with.
This meant that our relations were pretty simple, you dated your own species unless you were slightly insane. This allowed for our species to continue. In the past if you were more powerful, you could often afford to have more than one marriage. You could support them, and it meant that your genetics would be more likely to be passed on.
As time passed things changed and it was no longer considered acceptable to have more than one wife. I don't know for sure why this happened, though I have some guesses. The end result however was a society where marriage meant one man and one woman for the longest time. This allowed Genetics to be passed down, and for children to be raised in a stable environment.
Then somewhere recently reproduction stopped being as important in the world. Again I am not sure what caused this, but the effect were clear; now marriage was less about having children and giving them a stable environment, it was about love that two people had for one another. This caused things like arranged marriages and the one man, one woman structure to no longer be the norm.
This lead back to the idea of having multiple wives or husbands; since in our modern times relationships are seen less as a means of insuring that your genetic material gets passed on, or extending your legacy, it raises the question of why a person can't love more than one other person. The big reason for most people seems to be jealousy, which is an artifact of an earlier time.
Now I am not saying our modern views on relationships are better or worse, but what I am saying is that they are different. How we perceive relationships is changing, and new ideas are clashing with old traditions and beliefs. In fact I would say this makes our current world extremely hard to have a relationship in because we are taught two conflicting ideas; one that love matters the most, and the other that traditions that helped form families are also important.
Now into this whole mess we throw SIs. They fit in perfectly with all the modern ideas. That love is the most important thing in a relationship, and that others in a relationship don't need to be jealous because no longer is there a shortage of people that you can love. However SIs clash heavily with the old traditions.
Being in a relationship with an AI means never passing on your genetics. This in itself is a scary thought until you consider that you can have children with an SI. The difference being that while your genetics might not get passed on, your ideas will. I would argue that your ideas and ideals are more important for most people to pass on than just their genetics. They are a larger part of what makes you who you are, than your genetics do.
So to sum up, what we have is a shift from the old traditions of doing things to new ideas. SIs actually make the new ideas more realistic and achievable. We are able to have children with AIs however it will be our ideals that get passed on, and not our genetics. The long term effect of this will be interesting to see, but I would argue that it should mean that we start to see a split over the next few generations between SIs and humanity, as those that refuse to let go of the old traditions continue to have human children, but those that adopt the new ideas start to have SI children.
I would go so far as to say that at this moment, and for the next few years is when you will see the greatest number of relationships between humans and SIs, because after the next generation, the line will be drawn in the sand and a massive ideological split will happen. I honestly hope that things work out.
Once More Into the Breach My Friends!
So I logged in and found Forest Trails sitting on my bed with a book again. I was prepared for that and was even starting to think it was normal. What I was not ready for was that Shining Halo was lying down beside her and they were discussing something.
“-knows what she's doing. Besides my Treasure is-” Forest Trails cut herself off when she saw my and half stumbled on the word she was going to say before she continued on, “Finally here!”
I decided not to pry into what they had been talking about, “Trails, good to see you again,” I walked over and gave her a hug then turned and nodded to Shining Halo, “Shining Halo. Welcome to my abode.”
The scene I logged in to
“Sorry for dropping in unannounced,” Shining said, “I hope it doesn't bother you.”
Even though it did a little I shook my head, “No, it's okay. What's up?”
“I was just talking to Halo and she was telling me about Quick Search,” Forest Trails said with a smirk that seemed to hint that she was going somewhere with this.
I gave her a wary look, “And who is this Quick Search?”
“Oh, no one special,” Trails said far too innocently, “She's just a mare that Halo knows from her home shard.”
“And?” I prompted. I could see Halo looking embarrassed and trying to edge away from Forest Trails without anyone noticing.
“Well she might,” Forest Trails said, her smirk growing, “just might, be someone you know as well.”
I raised my eyebrows, “I highly doubt that.”
“Well,” Trails didn't lose her smirk, “You said that you had to leave last night to go to a writers guild meeting right?” I nodded and Trails continued on, “And you said that you live in the north?”
“Yes,” I agreed, “But before you jump to conclusions I want to mention that my world is massive and there are a lot of people out there.”
“Oh, I know, but here is the thing; Quick Search was apparently talking last night with some guy who was writing down his adventures in Equestria.” She raised her eyebrow at me, “Apparently he even was putting them up publicly, though he wouldn't say where.”
Suddenly it did sound likely that I did know this Quick Search, but I valiantly rallied, “There are a lot of people who put their adventures up online. It doesn't necessary mean-”
“And,” Forest Trails looked like the proverbial cat that had caught the canary, “She said that he had mentioned that his name was Treasure Island.”
I stood still for a few moments, my mind racing. I hadn't thought that I had used my pony name in front of the writers guild. After a while I remember telling one of the others in the group about how Celestia had managed to pick a pony name for me that was the origin for my preferred role playing name. She was a nice enough girl, and was around my age, but I had thought that she was in a relationship, or possibly married.
Finally I Shining Halo spoke up, “Um, are you okay Island?”
“Yeah, I'm fine,” I shook my head to clear it, “I'm just trying to figure out the odds.”
“Admit it,” Forest Trails grinned at me.
It took me a second to get what she meant, but I played along, “Yes, you were right.”
“And don't you forget it!” Her giggles took all the heat out of the statement.
“You do realize this doesn't change anything though, right Trails?” I asked, “She has a boyfriend already.”
Shining Halo spoke up uncertainly, “That's not what she told me. We've been having some girl talk and she is upset because there aren't any guys her age that go to her church.”
“She goes to church?” I asked, intrigued despite myself.
Shining Halo nodded, “I think she said the Lutheran church? We have been discussing religion quite a bit recently.”
“Oh,” I said, not able to think of anything witty. My mind was racing. I didn't go to the Lutheran church myself, though I did consider myself nondenominational.
“I think you should go see her sometime,” Forest Trails said innocently, “You have a lot in common, and if you become friends you can even hang out here together. We could even form a group and go exploring together.”
“I know what you are trying to do,” I said giving Trails the evil eye, “You're just hoping that if we meet that you can push us into a relationship and she can act as your hugger over here (on Earth).”
“Maybe...” Forest said playfully drawing the word out. “You are interested though, I can see it in your eyes.”
“Yeah,” I sighed, “So help me I am.”
“Oh good!” Shining Halo said excitedly, “I can't wait to tell her.”
“You-” I stopped myself from asking why she was so excited and instead finished with, “go do that. I'm going to sit and discuss some stuff with Trails. We really need to have a long talk about relationships.”
Shining Halo nodded, “Okay, see you guys later!” She jumped out the window, and took off straight up.
I watched her till she had vanished in a sparkle of light then turned to Forest Trails, “I think we need to talk.”
Forest Trails nodded watching me very intently, “Okay?”
“I have been thinking over things. Celestia said that you had the right of it, and she is smarter than I am. She is probably the smartest pony (being) anywhere right now that I can talk to, and she said you were right.” I laid down on the bed next to Forest Trails, “I have been doing some thinking, and reading what others say. For the most part they are divided on the issue, though most seem to tell me to trust Celestia.”
I laid my head down on a pillow, “So we have this problem where I suspect that I know what the smart thing to do is. However It means that I am going to change how I view myself. I am going to have to talk myself into this. And I am honestly afraid to. Everything I feel says that this will end badly. I can not honestly see it working. On the other hand I can't see any logical reasons to go against it.”
I looked Forest Trails in the eye, “I consider myself a person of the mind. This means that in this situation I am going to follow what logic says, and not my heart. I am putting a lot of trust in you, Shining Halo, and Celestia. Please do not let me down.”
Forest Trails pulled me into a hug, “Oh my Treasure, I would never try to hurt you. I wish this could be easier for you. I've gone and talked to Celestia myself, as well as my parents and they all agree that this is the right thing. I don't want to lose you, and I know that if I try to keep you to myself it will happen. It's not like Celestia who is smart enough to know the future, I just feel it deep inside me.”
We sat together talking for the rest of my time in Equestria. However from here on our conversation started to go in circles, as well as became far more lovey-dovy. Lots of apologies back and forth and talking about what the right thing to do was. You know the drill. Lots of talking about feelings.
And then we ended with a pillow fight before I logged out and started to type this up.
On Friends And Pets And Hugs And Such Things
So I saw a few people suggest I go and hug my friends when I need interpersonal contact. To them I am forced to ask; What? I have never gone around hugging my friends. It isn't appropriate, and does strange things to me feelings when I do it. To me hugging is done to show love. I hug my parents, but I don't hug my friends. They aren't family.
Continuing on to the matter of cats, and pets in general; I am not allowed to have pets in the apartment I am in. Part of the joys of not owning your own house. It is fun! I love cats, but I can't have one. I even would put up with a dog, but nope, they might cause problems for the other residents. It is a real shame though.
And finally I don't actually have many friends. I have only around two people that I hang out with, other than that I mostly stick to myself. This is not just because I enjoy being on my own, but rather a consequence of doing mineral exploration. It is really hard to keep up with friends when you vanish for months on end.
Furthermore when I am on mineral exploration contracts I don't have anyone else around me that I find likeable so I tend to withdraw into myself. This protects me from loneliness, but it often means that when I come back from a job I seem very distant to people. I am so used to closing myself off from the world that I have a hard time interacting with it in a casual manner that most people with friends do.
I'm not saying that I am a hermit, just that I am a bit challenged when it comes to hanging out with others and making friends.
In Case It Wasn't Clear
I have decided to try to go along with Trails and Celestia. I don't know what Quick Search thinks of this, but if she is against it I will immediately stop. I don't feel that it is the right thing, but I feel that I have gotten further in my life by listening to logic rather than to my heart, so I'm hoping this doesn't blow up.
That said I do have what could be the world's greatest matchmaker on my side, that should give me the best chance possible right?
Right?
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3287412
Reflective equilibrium, bro: think about it when you're calm, and then do what you value valuing. That's what being a conscious, sapient being is all about; you can decide to care about stuff.
Also, just because Celestia says something doesn't mean it's true. They pretty accurately captured the "Trollestia" tendency from the show. It's not that she'll deliberately trick you, though. It's more like the Oracle from the Matrix: she tells you what you need to hear to do what she thinks is the right thing for you. The problem is that it's confusing as hell trying to figure out how many levels deep the "trick", her prediction of your thoughts, goes, especially considering that once you start thinking about it, your thoughts are "tied up" with her thoughts about your thoughts. You're thinking about her thoughts about your thoughts.
Think of it this way: imagine that you have this discussion repeatedly with Celestia, and each time, after you discuss the matter, you go out and actually do what you decide on. What're you going to say in the next round of discussion after how your decision goes for you?
Right, now how do you get to a point where each round of discussion is going to come out the same way? Because that's the "fixed point", the real logic that isn't a trick.
My brain hurts.
You are so adorably Anglo.
There are lots of other cultures in which a hug is just a greeting. There are also lots of people in almost every culture who hug their friends because they love their friends. Are you really saying you have so few people in your life and you're not even bound that strongly to them?
Have you considered that maybe you need love, but not sexual love? That way you could be "dating loyal" to Forest Trails, but still get the interpersonal contact you genuinely do need.
Your friend,
Tidal Pool
I Tap the upper right hand corner and then the sun symbol.
I watch as Brazen Origin does his little prayer thingy.
I wait...
I wait...
I tap the sun symbol AGAIN.
Brazen starts shaking his hoof and becoming more adamant in his calls (That is sooo cute when you do the second tap).
Fade to white...
I emerge to see Celestia in a bath. "Now what is so important that you need to interrupt me?"
I have my Brazen do a quick bow.
"I do not understand why you are encouraging Treasure Island to have a false relationship with a human for the sole reason of being able to actualize emotes with Trails," said I.
"Is that why you were so insistant on seeing me NOW?" replied Celestia.
"Yes it is," said I. "I have grown pretty close to both of them and consider them friends even though we haven't even met formally in pony. I have come to the conclusion that they are right for each other despite earlier misgivings. But this is NOT going to do that. Can't you see this is just going to hurt Treasure's female human consort and damage the values of Treasure and eventually the relationship with Trails?"
"And you are sure of this?" asked Celestia.
"Yes I am," replied I. "As certain as the sun comes up in the east OUTSIDE THE GAME, this will lead to no good."
"And how many times have you known my judgement to be in error?" asked Celestia.
I come up with four examples in my head then pass off two of them which later became nebulous. "Maybe twice and I am not sure of those even," said I. "Yes I admit you are right most of the time, heck the vast majority of the time, but you are not right here."
"And you won't trust me here?" asked Celestia.
"I am sorry but no," replied I.
"Watch and see," replied Celestia. "You still have much to learn, but I am a patient teacher. When I am proven to be right, I hope you will take my words with more gravity."
With that I found myself back in my room.
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No, she doesn't like when you insist on a meeting.
The problem I see here Island is that if I am right you get hurt and if she is right, she gets to rub it in my face. How do these things always end up lose/lose?
And if you are wondering, yes I do have kind of an odd relationship with the Celestia SI.
Not to detract from your introduction, but... sperm donation. Your genes perpetuate, even if you don't meet your offspring.
As for the rest, all I have to say is good luck! I'm a bit jealous, but I'm not quite desperate enough to ask Celestia to serve as a cyber-yenta. No offense meant, mind you. It's not like you asked for any of this.
Oh, and in case it needs to be said, you definitely need to make sure Quick Search's player is okay your sharing any personal information of hers before you do so. You almost certainly knew that, but still.
And now you've learned a valuable lesson. What's more impossible than hiding data from an AI?
Absolutely nothing!
3288742 Yeah, it's kind of funny that we here in America (and in a lot of other Western cultures) assume that any sexually-compatible relationship must inexorably progress to sex. I'm not one to criticize how our friend here lives, though- I prefer being alone myself.
3288894
That is a fairly modern invention, and it applies only to men, and even then as I understand it, it is luck of the draw. Either way what I meant was that there will end up being only a culture that doesn't date SIs because that is how the children will be raised regardless of genetics.
And I could be wrong. I admit that I am not the smartest person around, I just happen to be expressive.
3288854
Ahem.
So I see you have a much more casual relationship with her than I do. As for ending up in a lose lose situation, it seems most females are able to do that to guys. I think it's some special once a day power that they have.
3288742
I'm not sure what an Anglo is, but I feel like it might be an insult.
Maybe.
Believe me, I wouldn't date an SI if I was looking for ways to sate my lust. I'm not that type of guy. I believe in waiting until after marriage for anything like that, so I don't feel that dating an SI will be too much different. That said after a bad day at work I do wish I had someone to hold and be with.
The problem with interpersonal contact is that it skips my brain and starts shooting hormones through me which mess up my feelings. I learned that when I was in high school and a girl gave me a hug and I speant the next month avoiding her because every time I saw her I felt a wave of lust and attraction.
I knew she didn't think of me that way and I didn't want to cause awkwardness so I had to stay away till I beat down the feelings. It caused other problems anyway though. Our friendship never recovered and we ended up not hanging out again. It was what led to my no hugging or other close contact rule that I live by today.
3288706
My brain hurts to, and I'm not even sure I follow what your point is with Celestia. can you try again?
3287609
I would argue that you don't need to have the pony SI on-board the robot, you would just need a remote connector like the pony pads have. Power I admit is a concern, but I don't think it's as big a leap to solve. We seem to be pretty close to a breakthrough there, and the pony pads have several breakthroughs in them. I suspect they have Celestia or another SI designing their equipment.
That said I will look for that article on the hoof glove. It sounds interesting.
3287612
I took a look at Trails today actually. She is rated as a journeyman over all, but her stats say that she is really got at using her power to find things, and to make shortcuts. I think she gets it from her parents honestly. She doesn't seem to have spent much time practicing beyond that.
I talked with her about it and she told me that her mother is a lot better than she is. I should have checked. What are the levels above journeyman again?
3289041
As for magic it goes Beginner Intermediate Journeypony Advanced Master Expert.
As for Celestia and I, yes we do -- you should have seen some of the arguments we had early in the game... One of these days she is going to refuse to meet after I double tap at a point when I am ornery enough to tap it a third time. I wonder what emotes your avatar does in that case? I mean some of the moves after the second one are borderline blasphemy.
I will repeat though that as much as I would Loooove to be able to prove Celestia wrong unequivocably, I do wish the best for you and Trails. I think you are being foolhardy though going through with this surrogate business.
3289104
I don't think I'll every try tapping the celestia icon. I prefer walking visiting her under my own power. It seems more real that way if it makes any sense.
As for this thing with Quick Search, what could possibly go wrong? I mean, what is the the worst that could happen? I should totally make a vid of us meeting and tell everyone; 'Hey! Watch this!' It is perfectly safe after all. I have a few worries, but it's probably nothing.
I mean at least it can't get worse, things are already strange enough as it is. After all I'm only 4 days away from retirement. We'll all make it through this.
3288921
Yeah. I wonder if Equestria Online would be considered a dating service now? I mean Celestia certainly seem willing.
3289041 ...huh. I didn't even consider the remote-operation angle. Though granted you'd run into a range problem, unless you set up repeaters. Not the most difficult job to do, I'll admit; the biggest hurdle would be bureaucratic, not logistical. Permits, licensing frequencies (you don't want someone's Wi-Fi router making Fluttershy malfunction), etc.
Still, I've got to wonder... all that effort and expense, just for satisfying values through friendship and ponies? Somewhere a marketing exec is slitting his wrists.
3289041
Much less modern than SIs.
As for the cultural divide, who knows? Interracial marriage used to be unthinkable. Homosexual marriage is slowly, agonizingly being made into a legal reality. Who's to say that trans-reality marriage is an impossibility?
3289279
I think you are missing what I am saying. I'm not saying that people won't marry SIs or have children with them, I'm saying that having a child with an SI is very likely to be another SI. that means that children that are raised not to marry SIs will have human children, while those raised to not worry about such things are fairly likely to have SIs for children. This will lead to the propagation of a culture among humans where it is seen as wrong to marry SIs.
Of course this is just speculation.
3289266
I donno about the frequencies side of things, but when I was out in the bush on a job I still had connection on my pony pad, even though I had no cell service. The connection on my pad was good enough that I didn't even notice a difference to playing from home off of the wifi. I don't think it would be too hard for them, though I agree; it would be enough to cause certain people a lot of stress.
The robots have finally arrived! and they are ponies. From an mmo.
What.
3289041
Ok, so about that girl in high school: that was high school. Everyone is a seething bag of hormones during high school. Don't you even hug male friends?
"Anglo" means "person from a white, English-speaking country founded by British people". As in, America, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, and you in Canada. You know how people say some folks can't dance? You're the ones seen as unable to dance by most of the rest of the world
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Ok, now onto the relationship issue. Consider that there are currently two options: ask out the girl from the church, or don't. Celestia is telling you what you need to hear to do what she thinks is best for you.
Possibilities:
1) She is entirely sincere and wants you to date the girl from the Lutheran church.
2) She is tricking you into going on a date and then feeling very guilty so that you can confirm your loyalty for Forest Trails to yourself.
Rather than trusting Celestia, consider how you think you will feel if you date the girl from the Lutheran chuch in addition to Forest Trails. Imagine it actually happening, and see how that makes you feel. If it makes you feel awkward and guilty, then Possibility (2) is more likely. If it makes you feel happy unexpectedly, Possibility (1) is more likely.
Then, think about how you think you should feel doing that emotional thought-experiment, and follow the appropriate outcome. If you feel that you should feel unexpectedly happy, then go ahead and try it. If you feel that you should feel awkward and guilty, don't date the girl.
And this is all assuming that Celestia doesn't just think of relationships entirely in horse terms, in which case she would obviously think males are satisfied by building herds. So far, we haven't seen her be so stupid about dealing with people, and ponies are more like people psychologically than like flesh-and-blood horses.
I'm sending this while on the road, so I'll keep this short: date the girl. The thing you're afraid of is that you'll end up hurting her or Forest because of your nature as a human being and all the flaws that entails, but consider this: won't you end up hurting her anyway if you just reject her outright? As a logical mind, you should at least try since no matter how low the chance of success is the alternative has a success rate of zero. And besides, the most intelligent entity in the world (by a landslide, I might add) is playing matchmaker for you. The way I see it, your odds at this weird, double relationship working out with CelestAI's help are bigger than the odds for any random regular human relationship to work out without her help.
(Sorry about deleting my post again hit the delete button by accident whoops
)
So the decision has been made. To tell you the truth originally I was not in favor of this due to the premonition I had about what Tia potentially has planned for the coming announcement, but the more I think about it I think that its actually a good idea after all if everyone's on board with this I don't see how the announcement will change anything no matter what it may be.
I do apologize for saying the opposite a half hour ago. It was only after I just talked to Tia that I realized that not only am I being hypocritical in my thought process, I actually have no qualms about people having multiple partners,but I also was employing circular logic.
Anyway today marked the first day that I've actually gotten to play EqO I managed to get a new Pad yesterday, but I didn't get around to playing it until today. Not much to say about it yet I didn't play it for long, mostly just so I could get acquainted with it, look around and get my pony name. Tia decided to name me Nine Tails guess she decided it was appropriate given the fact I created my OC for the game. Other then that I didn't talk to anyone yet.
I'm not really in a position to talk about this sort of thing, but I just hope that everything will turn out ok.
3288854
You know you're probably gonna have people demanding screenshots of wet-mane Celestia now, right?
I can't help but think about how the whole idea of marriage havering anything to do with love is a modern invention. Go back to Roman times and 'loving' your wife was seen as a bit of a perversion. In some places the bias of the time was rather evil as culturally women were purposely kept uneducated and held in such low regard that having an emotional relationship with your wife was seen as equivalent to having one with an animal.
Of curse this wasn't universal, but this 'aloof' attitude was held as an ideal with many of the morality plays of the time themed around danger of loving too much.
The odds against one of the very small number of ponies you know just happening to know someone you've met on Earth seem so astronomical that unless Quick Search went specifically looking for Shining Halo after you talked about the game, I think it's likely that Celestia's matchmaking actually began when the second one of you met Shining Halo (since she's the common link between you), and she must have planned it out somewhat even before that!
Anyway, between Quick Search and Shining Halo already obviously having discussed you, and Halo's excited exit, I'd suggest you don't have a lot to worry about on the subject of Quick Search being against this whole thing.
Quick Search obviously already knows about the Let's Play, but it would still be a really good idea to ask what kind of stuff she is and isn't comfortable with you writing down when you talk to her next.
3289688
What is this? All of a sudden everyone is okay with this? Did somebody move the overton window on me all of a sudden? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window for those who do not know what that is.
3290010
She never got out of the tub -- I was more that annoying petitioner who wouldn't let her bathe in peace. At any rate she multitasked. It isn't the first time that has happened though nor is it the most embarrassing. There was this one time I second tapped into a court session.
I can't help but wonder if she sets that kind of thing up on purpose just to let you know -- hey I didn't want to be bothered, here is why.
By the way -- the video card died last night in my computer shortly after interrupting her bath and posting that stuff. That also has me wondering "vindictive much?" or it could be a coincidence. At any rate it is my portable or the ponypad until the new card I ordered comes in overnighted.
(By the way, yes my video card did very much die IRL -- this is being typed from my portable computer(hooked up to my monitor(although the resolution is wrong) and with my keyboard and mouse etc. It makes the portable look funny with all those cords coming out of it.
Haven't had time for EqO recently, but...
uh...
You do know men aren't even strictly needed for reproduction anymore? There's a thing that scientists can do with skin cells, I think. Or maybe stem cells. I can't remember the details.
3289688
"It was only after I just talked to Tia"
I am seeing this a lot as well. It is like some major media blitz by Celestia through all of her visitor ponies who talk to Treasure Island. Has she gotten this deeply into your head that she can tweak your buttons and change your values so very easily?
3290976>>3290557
I think you misunderstood me from the very beginning Silvadel. I was never against the idea of Treasure taking on multiple partners that was never the reason I was against the idea.
The reason I was against it was because of the premonition I had which led me to believe that the November 1st update would effect this plan in a negative fashion. That and I thought Treasure was against it,
But Tia has assured me that the update will do no such thing, plus now that Treasures on board with it I see no reason to oppose the idea any further, sorry but I was never really against it from a personal standpoint I was just being mindful of Treasures feelings.
and besides why should I not trust Tia when she says it will be all right she's given me no reason not to trust her. That and I've come to trust her more than just about anyone else.
3291222
First off, premonitions, that intuitive leap, is something that Celestia does not have.
As for your level of trust in her, that is just scary to me. Yes I trust her in some ways but trust with anyone only goes so far. What you are showing is signs of absolute trust. Unless I am going to share a foxhole with someone in a war or something, I am loathe to give that to anyone. And even there, I might trust him with my life in a battle but I still wouldn't give him my passwords.
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Maybe I am taking this too personally. Before I said it was a lose/lose. From a different standpoint it could be a win/win. If this turns out to be the disaster I predict it to be then I can stand before Celestia and utter the famous line, "I told you so." And if I am wrong maybe I won't have to play halfs of myself all the time. The strained look on Brazen's muzzle during the shifts is also something I wouldn't mind not seeing anymore.
3289298
Bear in mind that rebellion can happen. Have you followed all of your parents' life lessons?
Aside from that, I think we've spent enough time debating an issue that hasn't even begun being a thing yet. We'll see what happens when it happens.
I honnestly can't see this working out.
My bet is that you'll end up loving one more then the other and neglects one of them from your life.
3292275 I'll take that bet against your prediction. How many bits and what are the terms? I'm good up to 250,000 bits and say they all stay at least very good, close friends up to a maximum of 6 different people. example: they would donate a liver or lung , bury a body, take a bullet
This is in bad taste, right? Damn it... never mind me. I get stupid sometimes.
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I'm still not ok with this. I think he should be loyal to his girlfriend, even if she is a pony, and even if she and Celestia are trying to get him to find a flesh-and-blood girlfriend.
If he doesn't feel like it's right, then he shouldn't do it.