noise."Trixie Kicks a Bigot · 3:51am Mar 3rd, 2021
“The thing is,” he said, “gender is biological, basic science. You can just look.”
Trixie quirked an eyebrow and shifted her cape unconsciously.
“XX or XY, that’s all there is. Anything else—”
She was already trying to ignore the blowhard, and unaware of the irony. The Great and Powerful Trixie spit at biology and its curse.
His audience was focused, rapt, as he made another pronouncement. “I'd not exterminate the indicted right away. But, if I believed, that they really were trans, I'd think what I would*. Opinions shouldn't matter. There’s no reason to—”
As a showpony, a showmare, Trixie read the audience, reacted to the audience, tailored her show around the audience. After all, without the audience, what was she?
Mostly.
There were exceptions.
Stallions were generally bulkier, stronger than mares, and she could argue until she was blue in the face how strength was hardly the measure of a pony, and in hindsight she might feel guilt at what could be perceived as an advantage, although truth be told, she didn’t. She slept like a foal after.
Gender was as fluid as tribe. A dozen spells could have quieted him, could have embarrassed him, but no spell she knew was as effective as two hooves, directly administered.
And despite her outward appearance, the core of her was known, understood, embraced.
No warning of corona, just a turn of her rump and a shift of her weight and problem solved. One more bigot, silenced.
In a Hollywood movie, he would have flown across the room, at least. Maybe exploded. Instead, he just dropped like a sack of potatoes, unceremoniously.
Did he learn a lesson? If she had to be honest, probably not. But that wasn’t her problem, not if she didn’t want to make it her problem. He’d wake, dazed, and he’d learn to live with horseshoe-shaped bruises on his chest, and when it eventually faded, maybe he’d be wiser, maybe he wouldn’t. She didn’t know, and it wasn’t worth her time to care.
The Great and Powerful Trixie cared not for her haters.
Gardez and Jaxie inspired this, along with a past comment that we need more ponies kicking bigots. There might be some IRL elements in here, I’ll leave that up to the jury to decide,
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Trixie is best pony
*The text was meant to say "I think that's what I'd do," but I made a typo, corrected it, and then someone objected that I was making sneaky changes, so it is now uncorrected again.
This is seriously appreciated.
But there are two genders.
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But are there? Assume I'm an idiot, and show your work.
When you don't have hands for a solid, well-deserved 2x4, hooves will absolutely do the trick.
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Their arguement is that biological sex is not gender. Outside of some rare disorders, there are two sexes, but gender is fluid and more of a spectrum. So there are many genders.
I'm just personally confused why people care about gender expression so much to begin with. Why not just be yourself regardless of gender or sex? Case in point, I'm born a guy, look stereotypically masculine, and like cliche man stuff like lifting, fighting and sex. But I also like "girly" stuff too, like MLP. That doesn't make me less of a man or more feminine. I'm just being myself unapologetically, and couldn't care less about my gender expression.
Which is why I can't relate to either "only two genders" right-wingers or "muh gender expression" lefties. Why not just be yourself and not give a single shit about your gender?
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If physically attacking bigots is acceptable, then that means it'll be okay for people to physically attack you if they ever see you as the bigot.
Think about the second, third and fourth-order effects of your thinking.
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I feel like there's a quick and easy solution here in not being one.
5465478 Oh I agree. But consider reading the other posts that Admiral Biscuit referred to, and think about the actions of the people (ponies) in all of them. Do those actions seem like things that are acceptable to you? I would hope not. And yet they were all written by intelligent, thoughtful people, perhaps for a purpose that deserves some thought before delivery of a knee-jerk response.
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Definition of bigot changes all the time. Talking about what society considers a bigot, not it's literal dictionary definition.
It'll change again in the future, and most likely the majority of us will be seen as bigots by our kids and grandchildren. It's just how generational cycles go.
Saying this as someone who's considered a bigot in India because I speak up for women's rights there against backward Hindus, Sikhs, and Muslims. I've been called a bigot much of my life for that. So I know how subjective and frankly meaningless a word like "bigot" is.
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Try asking someone who's transitioned. Not one of the people shouting from the rooftops but one of the ones who don't really talk about it aside from correcting you when you misgender them. I'd say what my buddy told me but I don't do it justice.
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And you continuing to "be yourself" while trans is definitely something worth applauding. It takes a lot of guts. More guts than it takes me to be myself, to be honest.
What about the rest of the story, where Trixie is then arrested for battery because using violence to 'win' an argument with someone is a horrible solution that causes more harm than good? Especially in front of an audience, as seems to be the case.
'Cause like, being in prison for several years is kinda her problem, and it is worth her time to care. Or is this just a soapbox power fantasy?
So Biscuit told me he was posting this right before bed, so he wouldn't see the fallout until morning.
I think I'll stop back by before breakfast to see how he did!
Is that a typo? Is it supposed to be "I'd think that I would." Either way the bigot is talking about the extermination of transgender people. Trixie was simply subduing someone who was a danger to others.
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Ahem. To borrow from the blog and illustrate the objections in the comments:
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and people like you and me do that by being our gender. For a lot of trans individuals (The ones who needed it) they can't be themselves, not as their birth gender. I know 4 people who've transitioned, one of which didn't change how they dress, how they groom themselves nothing. Another more Brony example of this is Nowacking (AKA Vinyl Scratch) they changed little in their life when they transitioned.
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I personally do not value my gender at all in my individual expression. Then again, I'm also someone who values race so little that I've actually forgotten that race exists at points haha. So it is hard for me to relate to people who care about genetic things like the sex they were born into and race.
The way I see it, I would be the same person if I was born a girl or a boy, so I give zero shits about my sex and my gender. I'd rather see a word where we're all treated as individuals, and genetic things like biological sex and race don't matter. So I live my life as if they don't exist, since I have to lead by example.
Turn me into a girl or some new 3rd biological sex, and I don't give a damn.
There are two genders. There are also other genders that are not those genders, but I used to, too.
bigot
noun
big·ot |ˈbi-gət
Merriam-Webster:
1. a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
especially: one who regards or treats members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.
Dictionary.com:
1. a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
Cambridge Dictionary:
1. a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who does not like other people who have different beliefs or a different way of life.
While it could be argued that the bigot in the story is in fact a bigot (we didn't get to hear most of his argument, or his outlook on the people he might have been talking about), it can also be argued that Trixie is also a bigot for being utterly intolerant of this guy. I mean... she physically assaulted him because she didn't agree with his beliefs. It might just be a silly horse story for laughs, but this is a real issue today. This is just a friendly reminder that hurting people is not ok. Applying some descriptor to a person doesn't justify physical violence against them, no matter how much you might dislike them.
A lot of people seem to conveniently forget that, these days.
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According to my unabridged Random House dictionary published in 1967, "The number of genders in different languages varies from two to more than twenty; often the classification correlates in part with sex or animateness." That's under the definition related to grammar. "Sex" is listed as the second definition.
So I guess we're now a bunch of SJW's who get triggered over the Blues Brothers?
Or Captain America?
LGBT people only started to be taken seriously after they beat the piss out of cops.
Trans rights are human (and pony) rights.
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Also:
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Much of gender and gender roles are an arbitrary social construct. If a framework that accepts more than two genders results in more happiness than one that accepts only two why shouldn't we adopt it. The human brain is a weird messy thing, in large part probably due to taking this whole consciousness thing and running with it before evolution could finish its usual million year QA period before bringing it out of alpha, and has all kinds of strange idiosyncrasies. Producing minds that don't fit neatly into male or female is the least of its quirks. And that doesn't mean they or their experiences are any less real.
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Ugh, I feel weird making actual nuanced posts again.
Can I go back to being my usual jerk self haha?
The guy discussing exterminating trans people is a monster, plain and simple, but Trixie's response to his bigotry is quite honestly unhelpful, as much personal satisfaction as we may have derived from seeing someone so vile get kicked in the stomach.
I understand that that's what this story is about, but the fleeting pleasure of hitting this guy ultimately amounts to nothing, and may indeed leave Trixie worse off, looking like a bigot herself for simply hitting the guy in the middle of his speech. It's clear she doesn't actually care about helping show other ponies a better way or making persuasive arguements, her thoughts after kicking the guy make that clear enough.
The bigot will probably just go back to whoever agrees with him wearing his shiny bruises as a badge of honor, and likely make off with a few more sympathetic ponies in tow.
Bigot-kicking Trixie is best Trixie.
5465507 A lot of people seem to believe now-a-days that "tolerance" is a trigger word to justify bigotry. Intolerance against bigotry and bigotry themselves in the moral sense are not the same thing. Being a bigot is by its own definition—as you so kindly provided—an act of hate against a group based on opinion and personal beliefs with the objective of bringing the victim down using those as a basis. Intolerance against bigotry, on the other hand, is a different thing since the de facto moral implication of the concept is an effort to stop bigotry, and its hate and ignorant source from propagating further.
Trixie could have argued with the bigot, of course. And he IS a bigot, clear as day from the argument he was making—just because someone says "kill all the jews" nicely doesn't take away the actual act being espoused by the orator—and maybe she could have humiliated him further than that by exposing his ignorance, sure, but it's always easy to say "she should have turned the other cheek" when you're not hearing the same, tired, bigoted bs every day. But you shouldn't feel bad for the bigot. As you can see in the comments here, plenty of people already stand by what he represents and take pleasure not in pointing out how Trixie might've argued the point, but on "oh, how wrong she was for smacking him."
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Nah, it's actually awesome haha. I can't stand actual sexism. And how creepy a lot of Indian guys are always pisses me off. I'm betting you're used to creepy stares in India, right?
If anything, being opposed to these people gives me a nice outlet for my assholeness haha.
That said, I also can't stand most "feminist guys," because we all know *most* of them are just doing it as a pathetic attempt to get girls. And of course it rarely works lol.
What, a jerk side? You better be kidding haha.
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I've yet to see a single person in this thread stand by bigotry, but sure, go ahead and demonize the people you disagree with, prove them correct.
5465533 Do you ever read? It's implicit. Their complaints are all about how Trixie acted, but they're not offering arguments on how she could have acted, just on how she "shouldn't". I'm guessing you didn't really read my comment, but that's okay. It is late.
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And saying somebody shouldn't attack a bigot is the same as being a bigot? Implicit sounds a lot like you think they are because you are biased against people that think, "Bash bad man in face!" is a bad idea.
Because maybe beating the tar out of a bigot reinforces said bigotry? I mean, the only way to truly stop it with violence is killin- OH! I see what the end goal is...
5465510 The world is not divided into fascists and Antifa, which I might add, have historically been just as violent and brutal as any terrorist organization. They punish dissenters of their ranks as well. And we've seen enough Antifa violence and bloodshed literally only in the past year to know that they are not the sweet innocent angels you believe them to be. You need to seriously rethink showing your support for a terrorist organization in a public space.
I will reiterate, that despite your "meme" picture, it is NEVER ok to justify violence against other people. Your response is exactly the reason I made a comment saying what I did. Applying a descriptor to someone to somehow legitimize denying them their freedoms or harming them is never ok. "It's ok to hate these people because they hate other people" is a piss poor sorry excuse. Especially here in the community of people that are supposed to love and tolerate. For shame.
Also, this is literally your entire argument:
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5465544 Wow, let me applaud your ability to ignore the point and jump to conclusions. I could use your own words and argue that you're being a bigot because you're disagreeing with me. I think it would be a leap of logic, to be honest, but that's exactly what you're doing. (Not actually calling you one, just to clarify.)
You don't like that I'm calling out the fact that in the comments several people are focusing on Trixie's reaction being wrong, rather than the bigot's, but hey, that's just how you want to feel so now I'm being a "bigot" and "promoting violence".
So I point out that in the arguments against her actions there's no, "I understand how she feels, but perhaps..." instead we have people equating righteous anger with bigotry, and when it's called out, that's bigotry now.
Well done.
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Might as well say this: But people like you remind me so much of right-wing Trumpers.
Always seeing the "hidden meaning" in people's words. Hyperemotional. Love using labels. VERY tribal, with a clear Us vs. Them mentality. LOVE dehumanizing the other side ("shouldn't feel bad for the 'bigot.'").
Your kind and crazy right-wingers live and thrive in your bubbles, especially in your online bubbles where your tribe is there to support you.
As someone who's lived in rural Ohio for years as the only brown guy in sight, the similarities are always uncanny to me.
You and the "bigots" really do deserve each other. Horseshoe theory confirmed lol.
Remember everyone, if you punch a bigot, that makes you the real bigot, as I have been assured many times. Why? Because it's oh so intolerant of their dearly-held beliefs.
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How about Brady? He's a real stickler for the "only two genders" thing, to a rather ridiculous extent. And much more actually on the subject of trans rights, but that's not in this thread. Oh, and there are others. They won't voice their views here of course, but I've seen what they say, whether make it their prejudice clear or defend the words of known bigots. They have an interest in moralizing over the treatment of bigots.
But anyway, it says something when people are so passionate about defending the honor of bigots, but have so little to say on the subject of how to deal with said bigots, which is the bigger issue at hand here.
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Oh, how could we ever forget the brutality of Antifa, the horror! The horror! What will these dastardly "terrorists" do next? Punch people, beat them up, smash some windows? How many more must die!!!!
5465550 As someone who doesn't give a fuck where you have lived or not, I can tell you with all honesty that just because someone can't actually understand nuance, it doesn't mean I'm saying that violence solves things. I like that you say I live in a bubble just because I decide to point out the painfully obvious.
Notice how your immediate reaction is indeed to categorize me and compare me to a generalized group of people, while making the argument that you're not doing that in the same sentence.
Doesn't that make you the same as me? As per your own definition? Let's study my actual post since it seems that it's beyond a few people here.
I say (paraphrasing for simplicity):
"People use "tolerance" as an excuse for bigotry." Which they do. They want people to tolerate a bigot speaking out their opinion.
"Bigotry and being intolerant to bigotry are morally different." And they are. Let's say for the sake of argument I am being bigoted, wouldn't that mean that your actions are intolerant against it?
"Don't feel bad for the bigot, people are tolerating him in the comments." And... they are. People are concentrating just on the actions of Trixie, even to the point of saying "he might have an argument but we don't know because we didn't hear the whole thing" but we also didn't hear the whole thing from Trixie's side, or what she might've gone through, or perhaps maybe she's trans. We don't know, but several individuals jumped to defend a single entity without caring either way.
So... how exactly am I wrong in what I said originally?
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You realize America was literally created by an act of political violence? We didn't like how much we were being taxed or how much of a say we had in British Parliament, so we killed a bunch of people and created a new government.
War also ended slavery, defeated the Third Reich, and prevented South Korea from being conquered by a communist dictatorship. There are many instances throughout history where killing people to prevent them from instituting an evil regime is entirely morally justified.
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I'm like the opposite haha. I've gone up to legit white supremacists and gotten one to befriend POC, and living in liberal NYC, I am usually too mean for most liberals due to my dark humor. I'm like the odd man out everywhere haha.
As for your post...
The main issues were:
1) Not understanding that Trixie physically attacking a bigot is worse than the bigot speaking his bigoted words. Fuck the biogot, he's a piece of shit. But no violence unless it's in self-defense. Otherwise, the second, third and fourth-order effects are never good of offensive violence.
2) You implying that most of the posters here are sympathetic to the bigot. That's probably true for Bradybunch haha, but not the majority of posters in this thread.
Also, I posted my original post because I knew it'd get a heated reaction from you
You 100% seem like someone who'd be fun as hell to annoy haha.
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Curse you and your accurate reading of my reaction! I'll take you up on that beer when I visit NYC only if the second round is on me.
To clarify, I didn't say all or most people in the comments. I said: "plenty of people." Granted, it took away from the actual important part of the issue which was about bigotry vs tolerance, but that's what I get for making a jab.
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Doesn't Brady have a mental illness? If not, he 100% comes off as someone who isn't neurotypical and will never break free of his strict Christian brainwashing. Him being "only 2 genders" HELPS your case
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If NYC ever gets rid of COVID and I still live there, deal! Haha.
Gotcha. In that case, I *kinda* agree. At the very least, some people are going to be on the bigot's side. It's just hard to quantify because Trixie's actions in this blog were worse than the bigot's. So you'll get a lot of very pro-LGBT people like me who are mostly going to focus on how bad Trixie's actions were. Which will make it appear that we're pro-bigot, even though we're not.
5465562 That's why I was very careful not to name names and accuse specific people of being so.
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No. There are two sub-sets of gender-deciding chromosomes in our DNA. And even those are defective at times.
There is a very well-documented case from France where over 1500 men presented to doctors with impotency problems. They were male in every physical sexual characteristic, save one: their chromosomes were XX not XY. XX male syndrome
There are many other variants as well: YY, XYX, XXY, XYY... basing gender on chromosomes alone isn't totally valid in every person.
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I will, though. Haha.
Saying the part you weren't supposed to say out loud is always fun lol.
Jesus fucking christ, not this bullshit again.
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I think you mean sexes, not genders; and even that isn't as clear-cut as you'd think. Intersex people do, in fact, exist. They may be roughly one in a thousand, but that's still hundreds of thousands of Americans (for one country as exemplar).
But this is about gender, not sex, which is how you interact with people. Trans ponies have it a bit harder because they actually DO see each other's primary sexual biology out in the open, so divorcing the two concepts may be more difficult for those who don't understand the science and psychology. But that's what long capes are for.
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Were they though? I'm a tad more upset about genocidal rhetoric than someone getting kicked.
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We get it already.
You people are violent and think words justify violence.
Nobody cares.