Seems this fandom does have a Neo-nazi problem... and the source of it is from the Leftists. · 7:29pm Jan 4th, 2021
So what prompted this? Well, it's been a boiling point for me since last year when Aryanne became the center of controversy, however another video came up recently that's prompting me to speak. Can't really emb the video here since swastikas and what not, but I'm very sure Leftists on and off this site are larping it up and using it as their new indoctrination video to draw in low information people. Essentially they seek to radicalize the normies with the help of lies, subversion, misdirection, and censorship, while blaming this all on everyone on the right and alt-right respectively. The left is quick to slap labels on people such as; evil, chud, Nazi, and, dare I say, heretic, but when they get called out for this behavior, they pull out there biggest labels of; racist, white supremacy, and transphobic, while dawning a victim complex in order to make you feel bad and shame you into joining their side. Once they force you to their side, they tell you to shut up and do as they say, while forcing you to never speak out of context ever again or risk social online murder.
What is the purpose of this? Why does the left seek to control everyone and constantly thought-police and seek censorship of you?
They hate you. They want anyone who disagrees with them enslaved and obedient, if not dead. Why? Because they want you be the "big bad guy" of the internet. They constantly want a target to harass, shame, and ridicule. Be it someone who writes dubious content, a kink they deem intolerable, or simply an out of context quote they pull from you on/off this site. They loathe you and constantly seek to act oppressed and be the 'underdog' by faking oppression and conjuring up wild accusations like "Wow, this person disagrees with me on certain topics! They must then love to burn people of color, while saluting Nazi banners! Look everyone! this person loves to do this! we should attack them!" When you question them on this, nearly every time you'll get a response like "WOW! what do you mean I have no proof!? don't question me you bigot!"
Crazy talk? Just ask them, considering they swarm like locusts when you post about how 'Aryanne is a cute pony' or 'Trump is a great president'. It's easy to engage with them and very quickly they will drop their masks and tell you what they really think. They come at you with a religious fury and a cult-like mob in order to 'win' the arguments.
You can't reason with these people either. You think they are misguided, but they think you are an actual Nazi, because by rebelling against them, our own rebellious behavior has denied them the state of control they seek. Their sick and twisted mindset gives them something that fills their empty lives with a messianic fervor to go out and conquer any and all who question them.
So how do we, the normal people, respond to lunatics like this?
One would think ending the political struggle and being equals would be enough, but they can't stop. Their sick, indoctrinated mindset tells them we are greedy, racist, sexist, transphobic morons who hate science and salute hate symbols. How could they tolerate us? How could they ever allow us to share power with them?
The first step is to end the denial. Open your eyes and stop fooling yourself. See what is happening. Don’t allow yourself to be deluded by false sense of peace when none of them are attacking you. You see Leftists constantly everywhere you go online. Twitter, Facebook, 4chan, heck even here on Fimfiction. They constantly need targets and once all targets are gone, they fight each other until new targets arise.
So the only outcome is that one side wins and the other loses. There’s no truce to be had, no possibility of a tie. And the frightening thing is that the Leftists are so foolish, so stuck in their bubbles that they have no understanding that they can only push so far before normal people lash out and fight back. This problem mostly seems from how they were raised growing up. The Leftists are privileged, pampered, raised on participation trophies, never got into a fistfight, and never received any form of actual discipline whenever they did something wrong. They can't fathom the possibility that they will lose either, thanks to their upbringing. Yet when they do lose, they scream; fake, staged, liar, and whatever labels they feel the need to apply, while circling back to doubling down and making more wild accusations about you. Their mindset tells them they can't lose, because if they do end up losing, their whole world shatters around them.
The next step is to understand them. Understand that the left will exploit your principles and morals to make you disarm yourself – figuratively and literally. Don’t play their game; don’t fall for their manufactured outrages. Never concede their lies, and refuse to become sheep for them to control.
The final step is standing up for what you believe in and refusing to let radicals tell you how to live your life under their boot. Be yourself and never be ashamed of what you do.
First: THANK YOU !!!! Oh, how hard is to point the obvious this days...it is a very brave attitude. And wait for the shitstorm of criticize coming.
I mean...when you have a movement claiming they want to protect black lives ENDANGERING those same lives, it is pretty obvious something is wrong. But if you point that little contradiction...here comes the Tough Patrol.
Second:
This, all this,,,,is so perfect. It is useless to try to argue with people like that. All your arguments are wrong, because you are obviously a nazy white supremacist, since you don´t fully agree with the mob.
Thank you. Really. I feel liberated !
I completely agree.
Honestly this is why I don’t consider myself a political person at all because there’s always shade and hypocrisy going around on both the left and right.
Honestly it’s only a matter of time before both sides gets fucked
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I agree it’s only a matter of time before both left and right sides get screwed
Hmm...
I think you make some good points, and I think you're off-base with a few, but what I really want to respond to is this:
There is a lot of truth to this. There is a reason why movies like Rudy, Remember the Titans, Hoosiers and even The Waterboy are so popular. People love the underdog. Hell, this country's very beginning was an underdog story. A bunch of farmers beat one of the most disciplined armies on the planet. So we Americans in particular are prone to want to play that role.
There's power in oppression, as they say. People like MLK and Ghandi are seen as great men not just because of their accomplishments, but because they were underdogs. They stood against an oppressive system, endured water hoses, dogs, physical violence, and other things and won. And so people will do whatever they can to make it appear they are the scrappy underdog fighting against tyranny, because especially in America, we have been teaching for decades that the best among us are those that have beaten, or even fallen against, tyranny.
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Preach it bruvah
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It is VERY important to point out that the right have its fair share of sins. And Trump does NOT help the conservative cause in the slightest.
But what the left, the liberals, as they like to call thenselves, the woke culture, are doing, is borderline super-villain levels of evil. I mean, there is a book warning ´bout the dangers of though control ! How more explicit then that it can be ?
Funny thing is, overall, if you are homossexual, you are far safer under the right spectre of politics, than under the left. Russia made homossexuality illegal. You go to prision for being gay there. Islamic countries will hang you and make a show of it...literally. Cuba is well know for barely tollerating homossexuals...if that much.
So...you want to turn a country that gives you fully freedom to be whatever color of the rainboom you wanna be...and you try to transform that country in whatever version of the left you like, for what reason ? So you gonna be treated like gays are treated there !? Why ? How´s that better than what you have now !? What´s the logic ?
Someone decided to serve up a big ol' helping of truth today!
Its sad that half my friends are sheep. I refuse to concede my politcal view and they understand that I will call them an idiot and poiltically retarded if they try to tell me I am a bad person.
No surprise that one of these friends is an imperial in skyrim and thinks stormcloaks are the badguys
Is there anything can be done to stop this madness? At least in this fandom? To stop the fun police.
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Sometimes I don’t get it
Why do you get attacked and ridiculed all the time when you be speaking the actual truth.
I’m kinda on the left but even I know that even far left or not they go too far with censorships and labelings
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The Borg basically.
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Edit: The far lefts in a nutshell
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No....the borg are productive. Actually, the borg are very democratic...they accept contribution from all cultures.
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Ultra religious people are very similar. On the Far Right.
This is why we can’t have nice things. Leftist and Authoritarians with literal Nazi mindsets call you what they actually are. Now, is it wild to say that Leftists are more akin to Nazi’s? Well, if i had said that 4 years ago, yes. Now under all these circumstances? Not really, and lets look at the similarities:
Leftists want to defund, humiliate, and dismantle police forces and apparently Minnie already did... which resulted in a... i believe 500% crime increase? (gotta fact check me on that) Hitler when he first rose to power, systemically dismantled police and slowly implemented his own “police” force, known as Brown Shirts. They did essentially what police today are doing: Ransacking homes, arresting anyone who dare defies orders, and barring the public from their own rights. The only thing we’re NOT seeing yet is the public executions.
Leftists only want one political party and, much like Hitler, will invoke the violence of the people to get it. In New York and other cities, churches, mosques, and other places of worship are barred from the public, and in NYC specifically, Jews are being oppressed by the NYPD and DeBlasio/Cuomo.
Leftists believe they know what they want for you. They think THEY’RE the bastion of all that’s good, and if you don’t conform with them they’ll kill you for it.
Everything about our American politics is a shit show from the word go. Our Fathers knew that capitalism was a timebomb, but it was timebomb that could be staved off so long as the people worked together. But as you said, there will be no working together. Maybe the moderates and centrals will, but anyone whose right of Mao is an enemy in the eyes of a “normal” leftist.
While I agree with everything you said, we should keep in mind that, sadly, the crusade against free speech and freedom of expression isn't just limited to the left or far left.
When 'Cuties' came out, the same people who until then were screaming how they're against censorship and that freedom of expression should be protected, and that cancel culture is cancer... Suddenly changed their view 180 degrees, and demanded to... cancel the movie. Free Speech for Me--But Not for Thee, basically. It was depressing to watch prominent YT speakers that suddenly went from:
To:
No buddy. If there is a 'but' you're pro-censorship - period
. You think something is wrong and want it banned? Go through the legal system, get people to sign the petition to organize a referendum or nag your politicians, and change the f*cking LAW! Don't use Twitter/Facebook/Whatever to cancel Netflix because 'The children! Think of the children!' or 'That thing disgusts me! If it doesn't disgust you, then you MUST BE a pedophile 
!' And if you do, don't call yourself protector of freedom of speech or freedom of expression because you're not.
At the moment, far lefties are the ones promoting the cancer culture, but normal people must watch both sides and not let themselves fall into an echo-chamber. It's too easy to get blinded and too dangerous
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I... I missed your blogs.
Seems like someone woke up on the right side of the bed today and decided to spit straight facts.
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Lets breakdown the whole Cuties thing
First of all, it was toted as a “coming of age” movie, that poorly did the “coming of age” part. I’m not sure about you, but having 11 and 12 year olds twerking in leather outfits is NOT right and never will be. Also, lets take on scene in particular: One of the characters (i don’t remember because I blurred it out of mind) takes the phone of someone who was older than her, like 10 or 13 years older than her, takes a pic of her vagoo, and then THREATENS THE GUY, blackmailing him essentially. Do I know the whole context of the scene? Probably not, i only read a summary, but that scene alone made me drop the movie, cancel my netflix, and never want to think about it ever again. It’s not that the Right wanted this movie cancelled, they thought it was promoting pedophilia, which for all I know, it probably did!
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Good point. Cancel culture is bad...´till I use it. There is a good discussion there...at wich point my opinion against something is my right to speech my opinion, and when it becomes cancel culture 2.0 ?
Personally, I think that when it becomes a organized, mass spread movement, it becomes something more dangerous. So, yes, in a certain way, it comes down to numbers. A few complaining, it our right to speech. A whole mass pressing, it becomes a completly different animal.
Another point I disagree with you and others: unfortuanlly it is not the FAR left acting like this. It´s reasonable to say the all the left movement become like this. And not only the left. The liberals (wich, right now, are just the left with a better suit), the ambientalists (not all...but, sure, those that have more cover from the media), the media. It´s a huge movement.
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I did too.
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Curb your Enthusiasm plays
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bump.
That is how it's supposed to work, but that requires passion and patience. It weeds out the social causes that no one actually cares about, or that which is too fringe to matter to the majority of constituents.
The internet: instant gratification. Impatience. Dispassion. It's a lovely distraction amidst so much depression.
The internet is an excellent tool for spreading demoralizing truths on its own, even without Yuri's five steps of communist revolution.
I know that is contradicting, but the internet is a tool; it becomes what you make of it.
I got distracted and forgot where I was going with this; I hope it's at least legible
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Ha!
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Let me paraphrase your post...
See the similarities
? Ah, but 'Aryanne is not real!' you say? Neither were the characters from that movie. And the young girls playing in the movie were not Orion Slave Girls but actresses who participated willingly and by the law.
See, this is the quintessence of what I'm talking about. If the movie:
1. Was done in legal ways - which it was, and France is a western country.
2. The actresses were not forced but hired and got paid - which they were.
People cannot demand it canceled just because it offends them and at the same time claim they're for freedom of expression. You're either all in or all out. There is no in-between, and anyone who thinks there is some middle ground is promoting some form of censorship - whether he realizes it or not.
I didn't see the movie (I still got it in my to-watch list, though), BUT I have seen the 'controversial' scenes on YT, and I was like '... seriously
? This is what the fuss is all about?' My 67 years old mother saw the first 60 minutes of the movie, and aside from telling me it was boring as hell, she wasn't shocked by anything either.
Just to be clear, if you personally want to cancel something, you have the right to do it. BUT once you make a campaign calling to cancel something on the grand scale, then you're crossing the line. Cancel culture is cancel culture no matter who is using it and for what purpose.
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Pretty much, yeah. Sadly it was always like this. People still cannot grasp the simple concept of freedom of speech/expression, which is:
When something pisses you off you want to change it, even if that goes against the principles you claim to follow. I've been there myself in the past, so I would know
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It was to me, and I agree with you 100%. Sadly people from both sides never see themselves as using that tool for bad stuff no matter what they do. The false Justification is why tragedies happen.
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I love how some of the 'defenders of free speech' are downvoting my comment
I keep saying it: you're dealing with addiction behaviour, on both sides. A lot more pronounced on one side, but still. They want the dopamine hit of being 'correct'. They feel good when validated in their identity. They are fulfilling both of those contradictory human desires at the same time: the desire to feel part of something greater, and the desire to be a special unique individual. They find their group, and they make themselves as weird as possible, as extreme and radical as possible, to try and stand out and get some attention, some positive outside validation.
I don't know if I'm explaining it right. I guess the closest comparison would be pre-reformed changelings. They're so hungry for the love of others they never realise they can generate their own.
With regards to the Cuties controversy: yes, there were people who wanted it cancelled. Personally, I've not seen it, only review videos. I don't think it should be banned, myself. There is, however, another angle. What I take issue with is that it hides behind a shield of political correctness to deflect criticism. And I also take issue with it being exempted from censorship when less egregious media is not left untouched. Frankly, I find it racist that it would be promoted when an average 'cute girls doing cute things' anime can get slammed by the entire anglosphere for daring to make the girls actually cute. I'd just settle for a simple 'if-then' statement: apply this censorship and direct this outrage evenly. That it isn't an even situation tells me enough. The best way to get rid of censorship is to force it to be applied equally. Fighting dirty via rules lawyering, as opposed to not really believing in freedom of speech. There's a difference. In one case it's "I have the power to censor you and I will," in the other case it's "Well, we're being censored by these guys, but look what they leave up. Get on that, too." I agree the former is not excusable, but there's an argument for the latter.
But to be totally clear, I have no dogs in this fight. I'm on no one's side because no one is on my side. The far right would toss the N-word at me, the far left would and has tossed the other N-word at me, and moderates would remain blissfully unaware people like me even exist until the ole' BBQ is set up again. Even the guy I looked up to, the closest thing to my role model, has picked a side openly and vocally, and doesn't seem to want to defend the basic principles of his own beliefs. Unless he's playing the long con, of course, which is always an option.
I always find myself wanting to quote this when this discussion comes up, but I can't say it any better than the original, so here: Neil Gaiman on freedom of speech.
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Excelent arguments. You gave me a lot to think.
There is a saying: Never let temptation pass through you....it may not come back.
The temptation to have power to control what may or noy may be done is BIG. I remeber Deep Space 9 "In the Pale Moonlight" episode. "My cause was just, my intentions were pure." And, in the end, Sisco commited homicide. All for a just cause.
I steer clear of issues like this. I’m not too far one way or the other typically, though in this case I side with Aryanne. Let those who like her like her, and those who don’t can just ignore her. No one gets hurt, it’s just memes.
As for the left vs right angle, say it with me: politicians don’t give a single shit about you. Right, left, red, blue, donkey, elephant, doesn’t matter. They will continue finding ways to keep us poor and subservient while they enjoy the finest luxuries in life. That’s how it always has been. They’ll leave us fighting over the crumbs of the crumbs of the scraps that very barely trickles down from their ivory tables while they gorge themselves.
In consensus: politics sucks, memes rule and be excellent to each other.
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I understand what Huk is trying to say, but this is a really nasty hill to defend and not really immediately relevant. I haven't gone around trying to cancel the show in question, but I find it revolting and deeply disgusting on principle and I have no conflict in feeling that way. As the image suggests, it's just another coordinated step on the path to normalizing it.
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Based.
TittySparkles Nazbol Gang, confirmed.
This is some grade A projection!
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Honestly? This. While I can in no way identify with the problems you have had regarding your race—and I hate that you have gone through such—seeing as how I consider myself to be a "Center-Right" guy, I don't have a home anywhere. I'm too liberal for the right, too conservative for the left, though both seem to enjoy calling me a "fence sitter" who is "scared of taking a stand."
Also, if it's not too touchy a subject...
What other n-word is there? Like, is it that word preceded by a word like "house" or something? Genuinely curious.
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nazi, at a guess. the thing people call you when they want a shortcut to winning an argument.
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Ah. That... yeah, that makes enough sense for me to feel like an idiot.
Good day to you all.
Man today was the day I was hoping not to see politics in my fan fiction site, but I guess it’s inescapable just like death
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We love these stories because we celebrate what they accomplished despite being oppressed or lacking the advantages of who they faced.
I’m afraid too many of the left learned the wrong lesson, and find value in the oppression, not in the accomplishments. Conveniently, oppression also provides an excuse when their own accomplishments don’t match their personal assessment of what they should have accomplished.
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You’d be better off using the example of banning Harry Potter for promoting witchcraft... except that far fewer people support that ban, and Harry Potter bannings will now be led by the left, who accuse J. K. Rowling of being a TERF.
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A lot more supported it in the early aughts. I remember idiots buying up entire shops-worth of the books and burning them. Rowling and her publisher were no doubt crying all the way to the bank.
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Using it as an example for what?
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Communist countries outside of the west were extremely homophobic.
So wait, are you for Jews or against? Very hard to tell from this blog post tbh
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As an example of people, presumably on the right politically, wanting something banned because it hurts their feelings. People objected to Mignonnes/Cuties because it is borderline child pornography/sexualizing underage girls.
Think about a political figure or celebrity you hate. If you heard on the news that this person had in their collection hundreds of tapes of 10-13 year old girls dancing suggestively, would you say "That's okay. It's legal."? Because that's what the producers of Mignonnes did to cast their film.
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Not sure what Jewish people have to do with this but very recently I had the misfortune of dealing with a person that leans very hard to the left in my Discord who had no qualms about blaming everything on "Jewish Capitalists"
This person was hated by everyone in the Discord, including me. Does this answer your question?
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did u censor them
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No. They ran away after being defeated by facts and logic.
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Anyway, what the Jewish people have to do with this is that you bring up nazism, specifically neo-Nazism, which is a fascist ideology that is explicitly anticommunist and foundationally antisemitic, posturing that there was an "Aryan master race" to which the German people belonged which was in conflict with the Jewish people specifically (though also with other races, and other people they deemed 'defective' in some way like LGBT people and people with disabilities). So when you post about leftists' Nazi problem, I'm assuming you're referring to something related to this, yet interestingly the contents of your post have little to do with this and in fact seems to be more angry about people being called Nazis? I don't know, it's a really weird framing device that I'm having a hard time seeing the logic behind, it seems almost like the exact kind of frivolous use of the word "Nazi" that you yourself are complaining about in the OP.
A couple other things I'm confused about...
How are you defining "censorship" here? I've generally, historically, heard the term associated with actions by the government or similar authorities to regulate speech and imprison people for it, particularly political dissidents (as frequently happens in China or Saudi Arabia, for instance). However, I'm not aware of this being a significant issue in modern countries in the West like the United States. But the graphic that you use to illustrate your point mentions things like "algorithms", "shadowbanning", "deplatforming"—these are all actions taken by private businesses and individuals to disassociate themselves with people whose behaviour they're not in favour of. In a liberal society, should that not be our right? Freedom of association? I've never known freedom of speech to be "freedom of speech without criticism or consequences".
I get that you want to rebel against leftists having control over you, but I'm not sure what value there in rebelling for rebelling's sake, and I don't actually see here any sort of argument over specific behaviours that leftists might attack you for. I am assuming as a member of polite society that you do have objections to racism, white supremacy, etcetera, so then is the issue more attitude? Are there more "polite" ways that leftists could critique behaviours and actions, or is it the objecting itself that is the problem? What sorts of things do you and others say that garners this kind of reaction from leftists? I don't ask this because I think that it could be justified - I really don't think very many people online are "evil" people, or specifically Nazis - but it would definitely be helpful to have some context. For the two examples you do mention, one is not very specific (why do these people dislike you for supporting Trump, and have you tried to engage people on potential reasons or critiques they might have?) or ridiculously trivial (Aryanne does strike me as an unnecessary and frivolous use of Nazi-associated iconography, but it's a fairly niche and unimportant issue). What sorts of things earn claims like "you must love to burn people of colour while saluting Nazi banners"? I've definitely seen people blow up over stuff and I recognise you're exaggerating, but I'm interested in what leads you to making these kinds of claims.
What exactly do you mean by "ending the political struggle"? What political struggle, and in what way has it ended/resolved? As far as I know there are still many political issues in the US, including for example the number of people in this country who live in poverty, hunger, and without homes; climate change causing increased natural disasters like fires, floods, and hurricanes; the opioid epidemic; insufficient support and training for workers in declining industries; and so on. These issues also affect people differently based on factors like material status, education, and location (for example, I live in the Pacific Northwest and this summer a large fire came very close to where I live, with many people being forced to evacuate and small towns being nearly levelled, but issues like hurricanes or the opioid epidemic haven't really touched me directly). And, many of these factors have direct correlations to race, sex/gender, orientation, religion, etcetera due to reasons both historical and contemporary. Do you agree, or am I missing something here?
I don't know, at the end of this I'm just confused what your politics are, if you have any at all. And for someone who's apparently concerned about bubbles, you've got quite a hugbox that you've assembled here
I agree with you about censorship. The first amendment gives us the right to freedom of speech, and I support the rights of every man, woman, and child to speak their piece, whatever that piece may be. I also understand where you are coming from about Aryanne. Unless her debut specifically broke the rules set by the website owner, then it would be unfair to change the rules specifically to get rid of her. I would say that while I support the idea you seem to be advocating for, I would like to say that you may be hurting your point. By making broad genralizations about a group, any group, you lose the oppurtunity to engage in political discourse. People who oppose your viewpoint and may be willing to enter into a logical disscusion with you, who may even be willing to listen to you, may just simply be turned away and have their viewpoints reinforced by what would seem like demonization. If you faced with people who have been taken in because they are poorly informed, then helping them become better informed may just help them see your point. Even if you cannot convince anyone, then at the very least you are depriving the opposition of ammo they can use to make you seem like the bad guy. At the end of the day, its just a thought. Have a good day/night!