My Little Pony has a nazi problem?

Gotta love how interesting 2020 has been so far.
Almost makes me want to scribble up some special smut.

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[Just Lightning]

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[Olden Bronie]

Interesting, terrifying, horrifying and in some ways unifying and beautiful and amazing.

And it's only half done!

[AppleTank]

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[shy sad jaded shard]

I think they are just streching for a story at this point ya we got Nazi types but here's the thing all fandoms have less then ideal pockets in them that article said alot with out saying a hole lot but that's just me I think people are just looking for witches at this point

[Shakespearicles]

If someone wrote a story that went the way 2020 is going,
it would be considered laughably unrealistic.
The expression "stranger than fiction" exists
because fiction is required to make sense.
Where as reality is under no such obligation.

[44burn]

[SCP Pinkamena]

Remind, Aryane was made by /mlp/ because /pol/ hated them. /mlp/ made Aryane FOR /pol/ as a gift, and /pol/ said
"....A'ight" and left /mlp/ alone

[darkwalker787]

I highly doubt this fandom has a ww2 bad guy problem.

[Skeeter The Lurker]

Do it.

You know you want to.

Just like"Give the Dog a Bone".

~Skeeter The Lurker

[Jake The Army Guy]

Wait, you mean to tell me that a small minority of a very large and diverse group of people are total assholes, and the media is using that to fearmonger and smear the entire group as "toxic" and "problematic?"

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[marcelojj]

People see one, maybe two, crazy person that say they are bronies, even if they dont have a clue 'bout how the fandom works, and, soon, bronies are nazies is a thing.

Sorry...I don't buy it.

[Holy]

Here's an archive link instead: http://archive.vn/vzp8l

They put out articles like this with inflammatory headlines to draw people in for ad revenue. It usually doesn't matter if their fearmongering drew you in or we're pointing at it to shake our heads, they get what they want if we give them a direct click to the website. If we only share the archive link they get nothing from this complete lack of journalistic integrity, as it should be.

[Archive_Anon]

Lol leave it to wootmaster to be the one being quoted in the story. No doubt being the one who reached out to get the story started in the first place.

The guy is the ultimate irony, a perfect example of this ideology. He basically lived on 4chan for ages, made countless posts and shit using racist and sexist terms as most do there, made foalcon artwork, and was in general the very person he now describes as some invasive horrible plague on our community.

Seemed to be going fine when he was like that, and is only now tearing itself apart since everyone is at each other's throats of over inane issues and hurt feefees.

Ah well, plenty of people like myself aren't going anywhere no matter how hard they try to shoo us away, and I'm still quite entertained by this nonsense.

P.S. An aryanne fic by you would probably be amazing so I'll keep an eye out.

[Kitsunemagus]

Aryanne clop from our collective perverted older sister?

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY BITS!!!!!!!
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[Just Lightning]

I'd like to speak to the people who believe we don't have a problem with Nazis, homophobes, racists, etc, because I was like you once.

It's not easy to admit that your community is infested with awful people, that terrible human beings may even run in the same circles as you. It sucks. It doesn't make you a bad person for being in the community, but it is something you need to recognize.

CW, for obvious reasons.
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Now, that's only one image, right? Sure, there's more upvotes than downvotes on an image that's literally just saying one race of human is bad, but that doesn't mean there's a huge problem, does it?

Well,
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Hmm, it seems simply saying that Black Lives Matter instantly attracts people to downvote, as if the idea that their lives mattering conflicts with what they believe?

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Hmmm.

Oh, but the Derpibooru community isn't our community right? Well, no, but there is a remarkable overlap.

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Oh, and it seems Derpibooru isn't too kind to LGBTQ+ folk either. That seems weird, doesn't it?

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Allow me to show a little bit of the disparity between the representation of marginalized groups vs hateful ideologies.

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vs
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and
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vs
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Well, that paints quite a different picture of the community, huh?

Oh, but that's Derpibooru! That's not FiMfiction, silly! Sure, there's a ton of overlap in the communities, but there are no bigots here!

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That is ex-Derpiboru mod (and notable member of our community) Archonix! Wow, what is he doing with that?

Lucky for him, the upvotes are already coming in!

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I am rather confused by this whole bit, though.

In any case, that's all on Derpi. Sure, our community exists in Derpi, and even notable members of our community are ingrained there. But FiMfiction? Couldn't be us!

Well,
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This group, the related groups, and many other groups like it are on the site, some active, some not. It wasn't till we had to argue with site staff that we finally got one of them removed from the site.

You'll notice during this whole time I didn't bring Aryanna up a single time, and there's still an undeniable case for our community having a significant Nazi problem.

Make no mistake--One Nazi counts as a Nazi problem.

[Archive_Anon]

5293892
A lot of this conflating upvotes to downvotes to illustrate a problem really doesn't show anything, at least to me.

You seem to be assuming all of the votes are people saying "I agree with this sentiment" or "I disagree"

It's a voting system, not used for one single unified purpose, and certainly not the purpose I just mentioned. If it were me, based on my personal viewpoints, seeing those votes would indicate to me that people really don't want politics plastered all over the show and fandom. Much of my enjoyment of MLP is based on the fact that I can use it as a temporary escape from the shit-show of a reality we live in. The downvotes on all of the politically charged stuff makes sense to me in this regard (though personally I use the vote system as nothing more than 'Upvote means I downloaded this at some point, dont download a copy again')

"But what about the upvotes on racist stuff" - This is seriously just an example of dark humor. The idea of racism to many is absurd. The idea of people actually being racist and believing in such things is laughable, ridiculous, it makes no sense. To me, racism is a fucking joke, as are anyone who is actually racist. The same goes for nazi stuff. Aryanne is the epitome of irony. A mockery of the Nazi ideology. A character that is either made to be cute and endearing, or sexualized more than anything else. People who like dark humor are likely to upvote this stuff, and I would be more than willing to wager that a vast majority of those upvotes are from people who view things like this.

Quick edit: I used the phrase dark humor specifically, when such things could also very easily fall in to surreal(absurdist) humor, and likely other forms as well.

[Just Lightning]

Much of my enjoyment of MLP is based on the fact that I can use it as a temporary escape from the shit-show of a reality we live in.

So block out political tags on Derpi. People that downvoted these don't have politics/black lives matter/pride filtered out. This point is moot.

The downvotes on all of the politically charged stuff makes sense to me in this regard (though personally I use the vote system as nothing more than 'Upvote means I downloaded this at some point, dont download a copy again')

So, can I ask why Black Lives Matter is a political statement, but Niggers bad isn't? And why is a character with a pride flag considered political? This doesn't make sense.

To me, racism is a fucking joke, as are anyone who is actually racist. The same goes for nazi stuff. Aryanne is the epitome of irony. A mockery of the Nazi ideology. A character that is either made to be cute and endearing, or sexualized more than anything else. People who like dark humor are likely to upvote this stuff, and I would be more than willing to wager that a vast majority of those upvotes are from people who view things like this.

Have you ever heard the point:

Since satire has this practical and pragmatic purpose, the criteria for assessing it are fairly simple: if it doesn’t point toward positive change, or encourage people to think in a more enlightened way, it has failed. That doesn’t mean it’s not amusing and well-observed, or even, for some, hilarious, in the way, say, witty mockery of a political enemy can be hilarious and gratifying and can intensify our sense of being morally superior. But as satire it has failed. The worst case is when satire reinforces the state of mind it purports to undercut, polarizes prejudices, and provokes the very behavior it condemns. This appears to be what happened with Charlie Hebdo’s images of Muhammad.

I don't hear all that much outrage about all Nazi satire. If Aryanne is meant to be satirical in every instance (which there is no way to prove) then it is a completely failed attempt at satire. If it's an attempt to make fun of Nazis, why does it end up bolstering Nazi bronies and hurting the marginalized groups in the fandom?

Oh, and this doesn't at all address the literal Nazi groups on FiMfiction, all the downvotes on LGBT images, etc.

[Archive_Anon]

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Im not entirely sure what you're saying. The idea of upvotes/downvotes are irrelevant to me. They don't tell a story. If they did, the comment I replied to is contradictory to its very own post, as it has majority upvotes despite saying that shouldn't be the case.

If you mean is the image laughable to me, then yes. It's actually quite humorous to me. The very idea of a little filly, chest floof all puffed up, with an angry look on their face, saying that is a perfect example of absurdity. It's outlandish to consider.

And picturing that very scenario actually happening in my head makes me laugh because of its complete absurdity.

In essence, to someone who enjoys this type of humor, yeah its funny.

[MrNumbers]

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So racism isn't political, but anti-racism is. And politics is bad. But racism is funny. Got it.

5293863

If they're a minority of the userbase, then it's the only minority group I see proud to identify around this community these days.

[SigmasonicX]

Yes, the brony fandom has a huge problem with accepting and supporting Nazis. I mean, the fact that your response to this article is to make Aryanne smut says everything. Do you think that's a normal response to being told there's a Nazi problem?

[Blue_Paladin42]

5293938

The idea of upvotes/downvotes are irrelevant to me. They don't tell a story.

"An indicator of how people feel doesn't fit my narrative, so I'll just pretend that this metric is irrelevant, without offering any tangible reason for why that would be."

Ah, classic.

[Jake The Army Guy]

5293892

Hmm, interesting. Well, let's just slide on over to Depri and take a looksy at this "racism" tag. Okay, we'll just order them by most popular. Now, I have some filters on, so YMMV, but let's see...

AH, first pic is a TJPones one making fun of Ember having reptilian genitalia. Highly offensive to Reptilian-Americans!

Next, we have the infamous "Applejack's Plantation" pic, and that's so painfully obviously a joke that I really want to just cruise right on by. But I recognize that some people have a "sand problem" these days, if you know what I mean, so I'll give it to you.

After that, we have Cadance making fun of "mud ponies"—a terrible thing to say about IRL earth ponies—an aged-up humanized Flurry Heart about to have sex with a black dude, not sure why that tag is even there, Rainbow Dash kept out by a "No Ponies" sign—won't someone please think of the real ponies?!— a unicorn talking to a griffon and calling himself the "superior race"—and if this was pre-Hearth's Warming it wouldn't be out of place—Shining Armor being an idiot and getting mad when someone says Chrysalis isn't Cadance because "she's black," a joke about dragons and a joke about earth ponies and a joke about Sunset being a pony and a joke about unicorns and a joke about griffons and a joke about pegasi and are you seeing my point?

Look, I don't disagree that there are some seriously seedy elements in our fandom, but I do reject your claim that this is a "significant" problem. By saying "ZOMG there are 900 some odd pics tagged with racism" and the way in which you said it, you would make someone believe there are nearly a thousand pictures on Derpi that flat out say, "Bronies hate N-words."

Now I will grant you that a hefty portion of those images make use of the "Z-Word" to refer to zebras, which we have decided are an analogous to black people... but I'll also remind you that in a hefty portion of those hefty portions, "Twiggles" is portrayed as being in the wrong and a terrible pony for her beliefs. And the rest of the images using the "Z-Word" are plain and simple shitposting. You won't convince me there is any true maliciousness in that 90% of the time

And that group you showed about Nazi bronies? According to that screen shot there were 117 members... out of 270,134 registered users on FIMFic. That's 0.04% of users. Hmm. And that pic of Archonix? Well, if you look closely, ie at fucking all, you would see some dots in between the arms of the symbol. Kind of like... iunno, this?

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Which is not a Nazi Swastika, but a Buddhist one, which according to Wikipedia "symbolizes the auspicious footprints of the Buddha." Now, is Arch an actual Buddhist? I have no idea. But neither do you, do you? You just saw it and assumed what it meant. Plus there's the whole thing of him drawing another religious symbol in the picture, so...

Again, I am in no way, shape, or form trying to claim that we don't have problems with assholes and shitty people in this fandom. Of course we do. Like I said in my previous comment, we're a large and diverse group of people, so of course some of us are going to suck. But to people like wootmaster in the article and indeed you, good sir, who try and claim this is some huge, rampant problem crippling our fandom and that anyone who disagrees is a sympathizer or an accomplice or whatever...

Eat a dick.

[Just Lightning]

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Archonix literally posted that it was Aryanne (The Nazi Pony) trying to paint over her swastika cutie mark.

Edit: Also I thought we were gonna have a civil, rational debate?

Eat a dick.

Why are you getting so triggered?

[Jake The Army Guy]

5293966

Oh. So... obviously a joke?

Okay. Cool.

[Just Lightning]

5293974
Yes, Jake, whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Archive_Anon]

5293937
Yeesh, lots to reply to but I've got dinner to make and shit to do for the rest of tonight. I'll preface my last comment by saying thanks for staying respectful, its refreshing to not be instantly called names when starting a discussion/argument.

So block out political tags on Derpi. People that downvoted these don't have politics/black lives matter/pride filtered out. This point is moot.

I don't block any tags, nor do I downvote anything(save for like 3 pics because memes). I just ignore and move on from things I'm not interested in. I also didn't say that the people who refuse to use tags, yet continue to downvote and complain aren't idiots. They definitely are. It doesn't really make the point moot however.

So, can I ask why Black Lives Matter is a political statement, but Niggers bad isn't? And why is a character with a pride flag considered political? This doesn't make sense.

BLM is an inherently political group. A drawing made for reason of absurdist humor isn't. It's entirely possible that the example you gave was in fact mean to be actual racism, I don't know. If it was however, then yes it would also be political. Same goes for any other images that could fall in to this category. Something explicitly made about matters such as BLM is by definition political, and yes, things made purely to be racist is too. But things made for dark/absurdist humor is not inherently political. It's comedy (which, as it is subjective, many people would argue, but thats another matter altogether)

In regards to the last bit, satire and absurist humor are not one and the same. One is trying to make a political message, the other is lacking entirely in messages. There is crossover, for sure, but thats not a constant. Satire is political(when satirizing political issues). Absurdism isn't trying to convey a message, or mock viewpoints, its just mean to be ridiculous and illicit laughs.

5293945
The fact that people are still unable to, or refuse to distinguish genuine racism from dark humor is a real problem. I don't really have much else to say on the matter there.

5293946
You've completely misunderstood what I said about a voting system, and then almost immediately use this misunderstanding to label me as racist. I've got no interest in attempting to argue with you.

5293948
I never said its irrelevant, I said it was irrelevant to me. I even gave examples in a previous post as to why that may be (i.e. me using the upvote system to remember what I've downloaded, not to express my view on the image). I know at least a few others who do the same thing, which considering I only really know maybe 10 people who use derpibooru, would indicate to me that the vote system isn't any sort of reliable measurement of opinion.
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But like I said, I've got stuff to do, so as is per usual, feel free to say I'm bailing on an argument and belittle me for it. I do appreciate the more genuine short back & forth I had with Just Lightning though and do apologize for dipping out but family calls.

Another quick edit: Fixed a spoilered bit in a quote to match it correctly, sorry about that.

[MrNumbers]

5293987

The problem with racist jokes is you send a clear message about who you expect your company to be. I think it's a bad idea to tell the kinds of jokes that exclude people from the community, from the joke. I want this community to feel more welcoming to black people than it is to racists, and at the moment, it's not.

[Archive_Anon]

Ha. I guess I took too long and now were ordering pizza instead. (not really, apparently it was decided that its just too hot to use our oven, rip lasagna dinner)

5293991
As a Native American, and part of what one would consider a minority, I disagree with this sentiment. I get that humor is subjective and may be viewed differently to others, but to tell people that their sense of humor is inexcusable or unacceptable within a community because it is exclusionary is in itself exclusionary.

I welcome racist humor when done for the sake of humor even against my own background. I don't feel excluded by it. I am frequently the one making such jokes. The buffalo/cowboy episode (over a barrel?) was a great deal of laughs and source of such racist jokes for my friends and I as a matter of fact.

Again though, this type of thing is very subjective. It may offend some people. In the end I firmly believe that if such things do offend you though, the proper response is to ignore and move past it. Jokes are not a problem, genuine racism and bigotry is.

One thing to note about this though, is that yes, some do try to mask genuine bigotry under the guise of jokes... It's unfortunate for everyone because it spurs this knee-jerk reaction against racist jokes from those that dislike them, and results in this call for it to be censored/banned. I don't believe a form of humor should be banned, any form of it, as long as it is actually humor and not something more sinister.

[Jake The Army Guy]

5293985

Heh. I giggled.

5293979

"Sleeping at night" has nothing to do with it. I know Arch. I consider him a friend. So when I see him post something like that, I immediately know it is a joke, because he's not a shitty person. And when people come up here and start accusing him of some horrible shit, yeah, I get a bit heated.

As I have said numerous times in this damn comment section alone, we do indeed have shitty people with horrid ideas in this fandom, but I see them as a very vocal minority.

[MrNumbers]

5294000

I mean that's cool for you and especially that in selected personal contexts you can do that and it's not an issue. But a lot of this isn't really done in those personal contexts, it's for a general audience who don't really get to choose whether they see those jokes around whether or not they're okay with it.

And, yes. 100%, excluding exclusionary jokes is exclusionary. We're picking our poison here. Do we allow racist jokes, making in aggregate minorities feel excluded - or the people who don't feel comfortable about that because of like, empathy and shit - or do we ban them and, in aggregate, make racists feel excluded?

And, yeah, 100%, I'm down for excluding racism, on the whole, I think that's cool actually. I don't want to protect racism's right to be in this community.

[Archive_Anon]

5294019
People have a choice of who to follow, what websites to go to, what they want to see in an online environment. Derpibooru has one of the most robust tagging systems out there (a little too much if you ask me with all the silly tags that crop up out of nowhere) and this allows people to customize what they see, and let them choose to not see that content. Twitter, deviantart, tumblr and others similar to it, are all follower based.

These images which are actually made for humor content aren't being shoved in to anyones face with intention to be inflammatory. Well in most cases I'd imagine, as always exceptions exist...

I assume most artists who make such content would encourage the use of blacklisting tags, and not following them or blocking them if you find their content to be inflammatory. It's the choice of viewers to not do so if they find things like that bothersome.

Example in my case, I do not find anthro art or diaper stuff appealing. I block these tags, and do not follow artists that make stuff like that (with a few notable exceptions). As such I do not see most content involving it at all. In the end it would be my choice to click on any images tagged as such, and any annoyance or disgust I might feel is entirely on me, not the person who made it or posted it.

[Song]

5294019

Free speech means anyone can say anything. Infringe on that, and someone in power, or with an agenda, will keep pushing. It leads to censorship, and that's bad. Don't try to stop people from saying what they want, because it will never, ever work out the way you want. Besides; forcing your own view of what is or isn't okay? Isn't that the basis for the whole issue?

To be clear, I'm not taking sides here. I think that everyone is a little bit wrong. However, I respect their right to say it, and think it, yeah? Freedom is speech is a two-way street. We all get it, or none of us do.

[SigmasonicX]

5294000
Let's see, allow racist humor even if it hurts the target of that humor in an era where racism is a real and present danger... or don't allow racist humor and make this a fun place for people to post about ponies that can rally around the downtrodden, where minorities can find a safe place to talk about their own experiences without being the target of racist jokes that may or may not be from racists. Decisions, decisions.

I'm glad you as a Native American can find appreciation in racist humor. From one minority to another, I think you perhaps need to take a closer look at what your friends actually think of you, but if they're legitimately just joking, then I'm happy you found such friends. However, you do need to understand that not everyone is your friends. Things that are appropriate among your friends are not appropriate in a public environment like FimFiction, or any MLP site. Especially since, like it or not, a huge chunk of the people coming to these places are children, and people who are otherwise missing the context of the jokes.

[Archive_Anon]

5294035

Don't try to stop people from saying what they want

Honestly, this is one of the best things about free speech. It lets people say whatever they want, including racists. It lets you see people for who they truly are. Racists end up being universally painted as the 'bad guy' as they rightfully should be, and society looks down upon them. In our modern era, being racist is quite literally unsustainable. By letting people paint themselves as fools in such a way, the number of people who think that way will eventually fade away and disappear. It's been going on for decades, since the first major equality movements started.

5294040

hurts the target of that humor

This is another common issue with people recently. Humor generally does not have targets, it has subjects. Something being talked about. If it is humor, it is not targeting someone.

If it IS targeting someone, that would be harassment and should definitely not be allowed (and isnt)

[MrNumbers]

5294035

What kind of censorship do you think inevitably follows from banning racism?

5294031

A lot of very talented women left this community in the last two years because of how disgusting a lot of the misogyny got.

The consequence of people being free to leave if they don't like it is that I rather liked a lot of the people who left more than the people that caused them to go.

[Song]

5294045

Label something as hate speech, and suddenly you can censor it. It's like "it's okay to punch nazis". It's dumb, but people go with it, and it just goes downhill.

[R5h]

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Anon, I'm so sorry to have to be the one to tell you this: a racist is currently the president of the United States, based on how many people really liked hearing from him. He has 'painted himself as a fool' in every way imaginable, and has long since moved onto ways that were previously unimaginable. And he still enjoys popular support, even cult-like support from large swathes of this country, despite (or, perhaps, because of) how he keeps being racist.

I understand the belief that the marketplace of ideas, and free debate and so on, will expose racism as the ugly backwards notion it is, but it clearly does not work as well as one might hope. Heck, the best idea doesn't even always 'win' in a formal debate! The rhetorical abilities of the debaters are a lot more important.

[TittySparkles]

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A lot of very talented women left this community in the last two years because of how disgusting a lot of the misogyny got.

I'm a woman and I'm still here. Only reason I left years ago was because I got pregnant and had to reevaluate life decisions.

I chose not to be upset over stuff posted on the internet.

[MrNumbers]

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I said the talented ones left

Edit; I'm not dismissing her experiences as a woman, here. I got snippy because I'm not a fan of "I simply chose not to let it affect me, personally".

[MagnetBolt]

5294050
Do you think people should be allowed to yell "Fire!" in a crowded place? If not, why?
Do you think someone should be allowed to share another person's private information, like their social security number or credit card information? If not, why?
Do you think someone should be allowed to go on television and tell millions of people to commit crimes? If not, why?

[Violet Rose in The Rain]

5294050

Yeah, remember that time the Nazis burned down the Institute of Sexology, killed eleven million including homosexuals, Romanians, disabled people and the Jews and Winston Churchill simply defeated them in the free marketplace of ideas?

Me neither.

[Archive_Anon]

5294070
This is something I don't quite understand about things today. It's as if it has become unacceptable to simply ignore bothersome trolls, and people that annoy you. As if its not permitted to block them, and is in fact mandatory to express your hatred, distaste, or anger instead.

I don't get why. It's so much more enjoyable and easier to live your life in a way you like, and ignore those that would upset that balance, but instead its not not just common but almost necessary to instead speak out against someone and belittle them, call them names, etc. to prove your supposed moral superiority.

Unless I'm in a particular mood to make arguments and engage in discussions like this, I generally avoid it entirely and happily enjoy my life. I mean I can't even count how many times I've been called a "white supremacist" this year alone to my absolute entertainment, but I just don't let it bother me.

[Song]

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Those are all bullshit strawman arguments, and if you were trying to have a real discussion of the actual freedom of speech, you wouldn't be bringing them up. There are limits because endangering people or a call to action go beyond words. But saying "I'm racist, and I believe that the blacks are superior"? That's just an idiot proving to the world that they're not worth the time of day.

[MagnetBolt]

5294086

There are limits because endangering people or a call to action go beyond words.

Exactly. And that's why it's necessary to ban racist speech.

[Song]

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I'm trans, so of course I'm pissed that all those studies that proved to the world decades ago that I'm valid.

However, that wasn't speech, that was action. I'm not saying that acting on your beliefs is okay, because that's different. I'm defending the right for people to hold and vocalize their beliefs.

[Song]

5294087

Banning speech is still banning speech, luv. It's important to teach tolerance and respect, but you cannot tell me that you want to be free to express your views while also saying that some people don't deserve that same right, because they're wrong. We need to educate, not silence.

[Violet Rose in The Rain]

5294088
What is the radicalisation of impressionable people? What is the concept of people acting upon beliefs they've absorbed over social media and from the environment they grew up in?

What is stochastic terrorism?

5294084
It's all fun and games until "the bothersome trolls" dox someone and posts all of their confidential details.

Pretty hard to ignore those once they start getting into your personal life.

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I'm male-to-female transgender. My fiance is gender fluid. We both get treated like shit by a lot of people for that. We are also both pro-BLM. But banning anything when it comes to speech doesn't solve the issue, it just shoves the people being silenced to a dark corner, where they fester and get worse. We don't need to deplatform people and tell them they aren't allowed to say what they think. We need to educate people, and work towards real, lasting solutions.

[Violet Rose in The Rain]

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[bq]censoring the right wing opinions won't make them disappear, only reinforce them.[/bq]

Milo Yiannopoulos' Facebook rant shows that de-platforming actually works.

Eventually, however, Yiannopoulos took it too far for social media, his speaking sponsors, and even his bosses to handle.

In 2016, Twitter permanently banned Yiannopoulos for his participation in a targeted racist harassment campaign against comedian Leslie Jones. In 2017, Yiannopoulos resigned from Breitbart amidst outrage over comments he made seemingly defending pedophilia. That also resulted in the termination of his book deal with Simon & Schuster. Universities canceled multiple speaking engagements, including his 'Free Speech Week,' amidst protest to his ideas on, well, everything. And as recently as last week, Politicon pulled him from the speaking lineup — which was to be his return to the speaking spotlight.

"My events almost never happen," Yiannopoulos wrote in the same comment. "It’s protests, or sabotage from Republican competitors or social media outcries. Every time, it costs me tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. And when I get dumped from conferences, BARELY ANYONE makes a sound about it — not my fellow conservative media figures and not even, in many cases, you guys."

You Can’t Stay Here: The Efficacy of Reddit’s 2015 Ban Examined Through Hate Speech.

Following Reddit’s 2015 ban, a large, significant percentage of treatment users from the banned communities left Reddit, as compared to a cohort of control users (RQ1a).12 Moreover, the ban initiated a chain of events that led to a decrease in overall activity on Reddit (see control in Figure 2). On July 2, 2015, Reddit fired its Director of Communications, Victoria Taylor, without any notice being given to moderators who depended on her for the operation of r/IAmA, one of the most popular subreddits [29]. This resulted in a major blackout on Reddit, where 2,278 subreddits (some of which had millions of members) shut down in protest [26]. Overall, these events resulted in decreased user activity levels on Reddit. A notable advantage of the causal inference approach taken in this paper is that it accounts for site-wide variation at and around the time of the ban.

For the banned community users that remained active, the ban drastically reduced the amount of hate speech they used across Reddit by a large and significant amount (RQ1b). Following the ban, Reddit saw a 90.63% decrease in the usage of manually filtered hate words by r/fatpeoplehate users, and a 81.08% decrease in the usage of manually filtered hate words by r/CoonTown users (relative to their respective control groups). The observed changes in hate speech usage were verified to be caused by the ban and not random chance, via permutation tests (see Appendix A).

Though we have evidence that the user accounts became inactive due to the ban, we cannot guarantee that the users of these accounts went away. Our findings indicate that the hate speech usage by the remaining user accounts, previously known to engage in the banned subreddits, dropped drastically due to the ban. This demonstrates the effectiveness of Reddit’s banning of r/fatpeoplehate and r/CoonTown in reducing hate speech usage by members of these subreddits. In other words, even if every one of these users, who previously engaged in hate speech usage, stop doing so but have separate “non-hate” accounts that they keep open after the ban, the overall amount of hate speech usage on Reddit has still dropped significantly.

[Violet Rose in The Rain]

I fucking knew someone was going to do the "censorship only makes them stronger" song and dance routine so fucking try and refute this.