Regarding Deadpool vs The Mask · 1:24am Nov 30th, 2019
As you may notice from the title, I recently watched the latest (at time of posting) Death Battle. Now, this isn't disputing anything said in the Battle or the analysis, as I can't find fault with it. However, something they said - and how they described the powers of someone wearing The Mask - caught my attention.
If wearing The Mask basically turns someone into a living Toon in the Real World with the powers of a Cartoon God...does it also make them vulnerable to The Dip from Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
It's an interesting thought, and I wanted more thoughts on it than just what I, my Mom, and my friends could come up with...so I thought I'd make it a blog post. If The Mask - or someone wearing it - were dunked in Dip, what do you all think would happen?
Feel free to discuss.
Hmmm.. If the person were turned into a cartoon by any other means then the dip would work. But The Mask.. I don't know. It may contain the power of a god and do you think a god would melt from the Dip. I don't think so. But I could be wrong.
In the context of the movie, it makes you the person of your dreams. Stanley became tantamount to a cartoon god because he was essentially a human doormat who liked cartoons.
The villain of that movie became Al Capone on steroids when he put the mask on.
One of the villains of the cartoon put the mask on, hoping to become a god in his own right...
but he had no personality anyway, so there you go.
According to the rule of funny, they would pull a full on wicked witch melting into the suit scene, then another mask would run out with an Oscar for the first.
Well, my understanding is that the Dip is a chemical concoction that melts Cartoons, right? The Mask, regardless of powers, isn't actually a Cartoon in and of itself. It was in fact made in the real world by real world hands. Neither the powers of the mask or the mask itself are part of a Cartoon, so the Dip should have no effect on them.
Being a Cartoon and being Cartoon-like are different after all. The Detective (I can't remember his name) from Who Framed Roger Rabbit proved that at the end of the movie. He was acting like a Cartoon, to the point of exhibiting some of their more minor abilities, but was not a Cartoon itself, and not affected by the spilled Dip.
Not quite a toon. Not by the definition of the comics version anyway. It's implied the consistent toon powers are because of Stanley's original rampage being public knowledge. Since it made him a toon, everyone else who wore it got the same powers because they believed that's what it did. Later on a group of teens who had no knowledge of the big head killer get hold of it and it did what it originally did to Stanley, make the inner self into the outer self but with a bit of rule of funny twist and godly powers.
Did we ever find out what The Dip does to non-Toons? Because there's a nonzero chance that it's still corrosive enough to be harmful.
Although he has the powers of a toon, it doesn't mean he himself is a toon. To explain better, from what we can see, the body stays exactly the same (except the head and maybe clothes), but it doesn't become toon-like (in terms of appearance). I know someone would argue that the same could be said for the main villain from Who Framed Roger Rabbit, but remember, he was a toon wearing a "suit" that made him look like a normal person.
I like to believe that real people and toons are different on a molecular level. To put simply, toons are made of a specific combination of molecules that dissolve when exposed to dip.
Going back to The Mask, while he is granted toon powers and invincibility, he shouldn't be toon-like molecularly, which should mean he's immune to the dip's toon killing capabilities.
As far as I remember he was given toon LIKE abilities, or what would AMOUNT to toon like abilities.
IF I remember correctly, the dip had or was hinted at as having turpentine as well as other compounds that work on ink(s).
IF I am correct on that, the only real effects would be if you were to throw the stuff in his face and it got in his eyes and he ingested it. Of course since according to the 2nd movie it was a Asguard artifact (As in Odin, Thor and Loki stuff), while it would effect it also shouldn't kill him. Harm him? Yes. Would he harm who ever that threw the Dip in his face after and it worked it way or was flushed from his body?
THAT should be the real question
Seeing as how he can just say no to pain and damage, he'd probably just laugh, congratulate them on a nice try, then brutally murder them for the attempt.
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I mean, with turpentine and other chems in it, it probably is still dangerous to humans
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To be honest, what theory I'd come up with wasn't that the Dip would harm either Mask or host, but weaken the connection and the Mask's ability to empower them. In essence, something that would circumvent the "it can only be removed if the wearer wants to remove it" by weakening the connection enough that the Mask could be forcibly removed.
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Yes, Eddie Valiant (No Relation with the Prince) started showing signs of Toon Physics when he embraced his inner Toon
And yes, I don't think the Dip would affect him unless is cheese flavored, as it has been said, the Mask (Artifact, not Movie/TV Series hero Comics... Villain? Antihero? Chaotic Neutral borderline Chaotic Evil?) is of preternatural origins, and its function mostly reveals the hidden, more prone to rule of funny side of a person (Making Stanley into the Mask, Making the villain of the first movie into a stereotypically cartoony gangster, etc.), so I think no, the Dip might not kill the Mask, it might weaken its influence a bit, but would be negligible
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Probably wouldn't do that either. Though, convince the user it can and it might. Since the folks who ended up toon like only had those powers because they believed that's what it did. Wearer believes it can come off it just might.
This smells a story for ya.
Nothing really. The Mask may grant Toon like abilities but it is clearly more mystical in its properties.
The Dip was made specifically to harm Toons (the ingredients listed in the movie are basically paint thinner on steroids), but the Mask is not a Toon, it is an obscenely powerful reality warping divine artifact with a cartoon theme.
So my ruling would be no; it would be about as effective as dunking him in any other acid, meaning he'd probably come out of it wearing a snorkel and heart-print boxers.
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I suppose that makes sense. Though I also feel that would only be true if there was a magical component in the Dip. Then again... it's a world where Cartoons run rampant. For all I know there's a subtle magical already involved and it's a part of the Dip as well.
Here's my two bits (not for a shave and a haircut though).
Dip would not work on The Mask because the Mask wasn't drawn. It is a physical, non-toon object of the regular world that grants the user powers that are similar to that of a Toon. In most cases, the powers of a Toon God... this does not mean that the wearer becomes a toon, only that they are granted the Powers of one.
And thus, Dip would not affect The Mask. Because the is real and grants the powers of a Toon instead of turning the wearer into a Toon.
At least, that's just my opinion.
If memory serves correctly, the Dip is a combination of acetone, benzine and turpentine. AKA, Paint Thinner, the only true way to kill a Toon. Though honestly, with the way I see it, anyone who wears it would tap into the Toonforce (as described by Wiz in the actual Death Battle), but I don't think it's a full-blown Toon transformation. It's not like the Mask alters whomever wears it to become a walking cartoon character, just having the properties of one. GRANTED, the rules of the Mask itself are so ill-defined, for all we know, it COULD operate on that kind of Toon Logic and would thus fall apart when subjected to something for the sake of it being "fitting". Kinda like how Toons can only perform certain actions if it's deemed "funny" at the time. For all we know, the Mask would definitely do the melting bit after getting blasted in the face with a water balloon filled with Dip, then come back to read his own memorium.
Only if the Mask in question was the one from the Cartoon version, which IS a Toon.
I don't think it would KILL The Mask, but I do think it could at least cause him harm. Permanent or no, not sure. But for sure I believe it would at least cause him real pain. Maybe weaken his powers at most, but that's it.
That said, Toon Force is one power I NEVER want to face.
Even if it did work, which I'd say it wouldnt.
The mask could just undo the effects and laugh about it when ever he wants... or how toon work, when it would be funny.
As far as toon powers go, as I understand it, the most effective way to kill them is to make them think that you actually can. If they think you can then then you can. It’s kinda like the orks from 40K. Their “tech” works and only works because they believe it does. The moment that they believe it doesn’t or realize it shouldn’t it stops. Crud, when enough orks believe a certain ork or person is invincible they are. Well, right up to the moment enough orks die anyways.
If i remember correctly the dip doesn't affect humans, as the detective wasn't more affected than having his shoes and pants wet with the substance, and if its paint thinner then at most some reaction but nothing worth of permanent and immediate damage for humans at least
The mask according to the movie gave Stanley cartoon like powers for his love for cartoons, but then almost every instance of the Mask user has the same abilities, so we can assume is more an infusion and not a transformation ( think of it like all might vs superman)
In my hypothesis the mask would be harmed by the dip indeed but not much on the physical part, pain at most like when they throw hot water at something. but the mystical part, maybe working as a neutralizing agent for its powers (like kryptonite for superman )
wait. what king of hell would open if deadpool put on the mask?
I believe the dip might render the mask powerless. It wouldn't destroy the mask since it's a real object, but it would make the user unable to draw upon the toon force. Heck, maybe it would make the mask plop of the hosts' face. So that would've been Deadpool's best bet to win.
I know that you might be just focusing on other things, but I would like to see Three More Things!, Mother X: Father, and My Own Wings continue. It's been more than half a year, and I'm afraid I might have to write them off as dead if they go a whole year without an update.
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None of my stories can be considered 'dead'. Any of them might be the next to spur my inspiration, and might get updated.
Well if you go by this train of thought, The Mask was also crafted by the prankster god Loki, so if someone wearing The Mask could be defeated by The Dip, does that mean Loki could be melted by The Dip as well? And would it just affect his zany toon-like powers, or would it affect all Norse Gods? Could Judge Doom kill Stormbreaker-Thor with The Dip? There are too many variables.
I watched "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" and did my own thinking on the Dip, and I think that would be the only thing that can kill cartoonish characters like the Mask... but I don't think it can kill the "Mask". The user will most definitely die as they technically turn into a cartoon character, but when your not wearing the mask it just looks like a really old green mask, so I assume after the Dip dissolves whoever is wearing the mask, the mask will revert to it's physical state and be fine.
The Dip is our world equivalent of acid (not drugs for those being meme-y or confused).
And to anyone who says underwise, if you get splashed by the Dip that part won't regenerate or be heavily scarred on that cartoon character, and we know what happens when a toon gets stuck in a puddle of the Dip... stuck like super glue.
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I think you're getting things confused here, the Norse deities in the Mask (the movies from your description of using Loki) are different from either versions, the Dip is the cartoon-world's equivalent to acid, so when it touches us or anyone that's a non-cartoon, it won't do shite.
Also the Loki in the Mask movies/universe, I don't think the Dip can kill him, but when he's using his zany powers, I guess it can negate or deactivate his powers, like spraying a Devil-Fruit user from One Piece with salt water. Not killing that version of Loki but definitely weakening him.
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My exact thoughts, but "plopping off" I don't think so, we know perfectly once the Mask is on a user, it's like another face, but it's possible the Mask will be off the user... but killing them in the process once doused in Dip
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OH DON'T YOU START JINXING US! This world isn't ready for that level of madness... yet.
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Wow... this was a better explanation than mine, thumbs up
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You have a good point... and a bad point, you said yourself, the Mask is an artifact with magical properties, the person themselves become a cartoon and before anyone says that the person isn't a cartoon, what part of becoming a cartoon is nobody getting?
The user wearing the Mask become a literal cartoon, a cartoon above cartoon characters being a cartoon god, but the Dip was literally made to eliminate cartoons, so whoever no matter how crafty the person is or becomes, will have piece of themselves wiped clean off, no cartoon regeneration, no funny gag where the come back.
They. Are. Done. At best, the mask itself will be fine as it is physical object - while magical in nature - and not from a cartoon world, while the user will either been dissolved in their cartoon form or a portion of them would have been melted while they were a cartoon.
There are similar items like the Mask that transform users into something alongside the properties what they transform to, the only items that don't are on a lower-tier of transformation or isn't transformation but more like hybrid-state.
And I am not going to consider the Mask as some sub-par transformation item - you wear the Mask, you become a cartoon character, alongside weaknesses any cartoon character have.
We never even figured what The Dip was made of. Hypothetically, let's say that toons in the movie, "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" were all living creatures made of ink, like every other toon that appears on television or paper. I wanna call this the Bendy theory, but if the toons in the movie were actually made of ink, that would mean that The Dip was really an ink-dissolving solution.
Now, here is where my doubts about the effectiveness of The Dip against The Mask comes into play. Neither the host nor the mask itself are made of ink. We already know that the substance doesn't work on humans and the mask itself is made of a non-ink material. I believe that The Mask is a human who has been given the powers of a toon without being made of the same stuff that toons are made of.
Simply put: The Dip won't work on The Mask because he is not made of ink.
On a side note, imagine how much easier "Bendy and the Ink Machine" would have been if the player had plenty of access to The Dip.