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    Yo

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    Time to say goodbye

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Feb
20th
2019

The NSFW image rule and how admins don't enforce it. · 5:27pm Feb 20th, 2019

Just a video breaking down the hypocrisy of the admins who allow blatant NSFW images but can I truly blame them when people aren't reporting it? Yes, yes I can.

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Comments ( 25 )

Somebody should do that

I sense some favoritism and general bias...

It seems that featured stories by popular authors get a pass.

Funny that...

What the fuck should we do huh we don't even know how to report to this type of shit do you think it's fucking alright if someone says that it is

the reason the rule was put in place so long ago was simply because google ads didn't like advertising on sites with graphic content, so long as it's not actually graphic and with the examples you posted it's whatever. Kinda sucks overall, but that's just the way it is. I'd rather it go back to the good ol wild west days of content

And then, a wave of stories get their cover arts revoked for you pointing them out. (I hope, that would be just perfect.)

It sucks, man. Really all I can say on the subject.
I myself don't understand why some stories have such risqué covers and they keep popping up while most think its okay. It should not be. Doesn't matter what kinda type the pic is, if its a little NSFW, it should be taken down regardless if its straight, gay or what. Hopefully that stuff changes in the future.

You are correct.
This tends to be why I don't use the desktop browser.

Even if the image is not explicit, having an image flashed on your monitor of Spitfire with unnaturally sized body parts while other people are in the room makes for an awkward time.

Regulate yourself people.

Cover image was reported btw.
Enough of this NSFW silliness.

EDIT:
Obviously I mean the fanfic in the New Story category with the grotesque boob job was reported, not this blog post.
And the sexy human Chrysalis sucking dick.

So, no one is asking me to write this. I’m speaking on my behalf and my behalf alone, and I’m going to make this as informative and helpful as possible. I only felt like watching half the video because I get the gist of it, and let me start off by addressing what I find the be the most untrue point of the whole video.

To think we prioritize any art based off the sexual orientation of the art is quite offensive. Maybe not to my mod compadres, but accusing a title I hold as being discriminative towards anyone no matter their skin color, sexual orientation, gender, or any characteristic is repugnant. I feel truly gross to be accused of discriminating for any reason, especially because cover art displays something homosexual. I support anyone bi, gay, straight whether it’s the poster who identifies with one of those titles or whether it’s depcited in the cover art. Not trying to be harsh, but you’re not being targeted for any reason and for you to think you, or any other person on the site is important enough to single out is truthfully sad. That and I have to say, the mods I work with are some of the most level headed, fair people. More fair than I am myself, and ask anyone, I’m a fair person. I’m sure my reputation says a lot for me, I sure hope so anyways. And let me clarify, not my rep as a mod, but of the content of my character. I truly try to display my best self to anyone I come in contact with, whatever others may perceive that as, I don’t know. But the point I’m making is you’re not being singled for any rhyme or reason. I promise you that because one, the staff members are all fair people, very much so. If you feel singled out, it may be because of the fact you’ve done some rather questionable things during your time on the site. Users who do nothing wrong or don’t press the line hardly ever come in contact with the mods.

Secondly, yeah I’d say it’s our fault as moderators if NSFW content gets into the site and isn’t gotten rid of near immediately. It just so happens moderating the site isn’t a job, but rather volunteer work. Some of us are parents, all of us are employed, and some of us go to school full time. We all dedicate time to the site and truly care about the site but can not afford the time to search out nsfw content. Which is why we rely on the report system heavily. So it’s largely up to the userbase to report explicit content, and I don’t think the community has an issue reporting content. Fimfic is a shrinking community too so I’d say we’re getting less reports than we normally do, but I encourage anyone to report content they believe is violating the rules, not just NSFW imagery.

Now, as far as the NSFW rule, a wonderful user explained why we have the rule in the first place and it’s because of Adsense. In an attempt to maximize profitization on the website, because it is the primary income for the site creator we abide by Adsense rules on NSFW content, while also trying to please our fan base. We try to be lenient, not strict. Plus, in our decision process, all staff members consult with with each other before making any action, so it’s not like one person thinks your image is gross and they can take it down, it takes multiple opinions to come to a conclusion on whether or not an image should be allowed or any controversial content. Plus, you’re always welcome to contest the action when it’s done, but I can’t promise it’ll be overturned.

As for the specific images you’ve shown, I’m on mobile so it’s kind of hard to see. There’s one I’ll evaluate later at home, but the rest actually don’t seem to violate rules to me in my personal opinion. I’ll definitely look at all of them again on a bigger screen where I can zoom in on images and see more clearly, so that those users can be brought to justice and dealt with accordingly if need be. Which I’m sure they’re more than grateful on your contribution to keep them in line. But I want you to note a key rule in the NSFW rules section that highlights “mod discretion.” Note how you have an opinion on every image you looked at? So did every author that you called out, they had the opinion that the their cover art is fine. They could be wrong or right, who knows but everything is up to discretion when it comes to allowed and not allowed content. There’s no set rule of what’s NSFW besides I see a penis or a vagina or a nipple. It’s a judgement call but a well thought out and one giving the user the benefit of the doubt a 100% of the time, I assure you. You legitimately wouldn’t believe the lengths some mods go to protect users, it even surprises me. We take bans and punishments very seriously on FIMfic. Plus we always start with warnings so you can be more careful in the future. There really isn’t any physical consequence to posting content that’s deemed NSFW besides you need to do a better crop job or find a less risqué image. You won’t get banned first time around, and we’re rather understanding people I’d say.

Really, I just want you to understand why the NSFW rules are in place like they are, and I want it to be known that yes, our rulings on NSFW content are subjective ruling because art isn’t liked numbers, there aren’t fixed values to art. Each is unique, depictions are different, and crop jobs are different. Everything is unique and individual. My best advice is to avoid art with NSFW content altogether even if it’s a NSFW story. There are plenty of non explicit cover arts for nsfw stories on site. :)

To cap this off, I’m glad you expressed your concerns with how you think you’ve been targeted and I would encourage you to continue to do so if you feel mistreated. I’m available on Discord, and my PM box is always open. However, I think how you addressed this problem was very immature. If you prefer verbal with examples you and a staff member could connect over discord that I know you have, or Skype or another platform of comfort. To do some public call out and to accuse the staff as being as you depict us is disheartening. I mean you didn’t even try to talk to any of us one on one. You didn’t even bother asking why we made the decisions we did in the particular highlighted instance with the Shining Armor cover art and if you did, I at least am wholly unaware. So in the future instead of making a blog post to try and attract attention, I’d much prefer a conversation.

Also, I for one, and I know others on the mod team know we’re not perfect. We do this as volunteer work, and we’re not perfect people so we’re always striving to improve the site and our experience with users. So always up for any healthy criticsm or suggestions on how to improve the site. Over PM, in profile convo sections, under our “rules” tab seems to be pretty popular for that kind of stuff.

If anyone has anymore questions I’d be more than happy to answer and try and provide clarity. Sorry for grammar or typos, I’m on mobile. Thanks for your time, and cheers mate.

Damn. Let the outrage mob begin, I guess. I've never noticed this problem. It could be that it's so rare that it doesn't exist.

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TL;DR
- The mods aren't discriminating on LGBT grounds.
- It's volunteer based, not a professional organization, so inconsistencies in action aren't necessarily conscious decisions from site staff
- They allow the NSFW content as far as Adsense will let them stretch it.
- That being said, don't try to get too cute about how far you're pushing it with the crop jobs.
- If you had this problem, expressing it to the mods first might have been a more mature way to handle it than this.
- Seriously don't post pictures with exposed genitalia.

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Plus, in our decision process, all staff members consult with with each other before making any action, so it’s not like one person thinks your image is gross and they can take it down, it takes multiple opinions to come to a conclusion on whether or not an image should be allowed or any controversial content.

This is laughable. I have a PM directly from the admin who took down my image. He took it down all on his own. So don't try to paint a narrative that doesn't exist. While I can't say I know anything about you as a person, I do at least know you as a liar after this comment.

Next, I never stated that the mods were against me, but that's a subtle way to try to create a story about how petty I am, excellent. No, I was mainly speculating that the story in question was reported by an audience of people who disliked m/m content and a mod bent a knee to it. Which, again, I have the PM of the mod stating how he was getting complaints and just took the image down.

Also, I understand that you guys don't get paid, but that's not an excuse when you do your job poorly. I also get that subjective bias is something everyone has when trying to interpret a vague rule. Which my problem was that the rule shouldn't be vague. As for the cheeky remark on ignoring the NSFW image stories, that's cute, because, you know, that's easy to do while you're browsing the site and it's just there.

Lastly about the bit about trying to open a dialogue with the mods? I've tried that time and time again on many different subjects, but it was always a one-sided discussion with the ending argument always being "Well, that's how it is" or "Bring it up to Knighty". So, no, I don't want to talk because it would be as useful as talking to a brick wall. However, I'll keep calling out what I see. Hell, it got a faster response than anything else I've done, which includes using the report system.

Thanks for watching as much as you did though.

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Mate... we do consult as a group though. Just because one person PMs you and takes an image down doesn't mean we haven't consulted with each other. It just means that one person was designated with taking down your cover art and story. And I wouldn't call me a liar, obviously not perfect, but I'm being honest here. We do consult, but only one person sends you the notification that your story has been pulled. I don't understand why everyone involved in the decision would each contact you, especially since we're a moderation team. So with all due respect, you're wrong.

As far as the mod who took down the image, Anti M/M people might have been complaining, I dunno, but if someone took it down, it was for the content not the public opinion. Number one is the rules, but I'm pretty sure if people kept mentioning it then it probably led to further discussion from the moderation team which resulted in the removal of the cover art. The public opinion wasn't a direct contributor but a reason for the mod team to reevaluate. We have a process for things.

Also, you're right, not being paid isn't an excuse to do my job poorly. Which exactly is why our mod team on FIMfic does a a good job, and if you think otherwise you're entirely entitled to your opinion. I think our mod team isn't perfect, no, but do a good job at keeping fimfic running at a high level. Plus, I never said ignore NSFW profile pictures. That is totally not what I said. What I said is just because its an NSFW story, doesn't mean it has to have badly cropped NSFW art. You can use SFW cover art for NSFW stories is what I said. I have no idea how you derived it as me saying "Ignore NSFW art." If we ignored it, this site wouldn't get ad rev, and there'd be no rules barring NSFW images because who cares at that point. Why would they be barred without ad rev?

Also, not to call you a liar, because doing so would be rude, but I am hesitant to believe a staff member would say "bring it up to knighty," since the reason we as staff exist is to delegate issues that aren't dealing with site functionality so knighty doesn't have to deal with them. So that just strikes me as very strange. Not saying it didn't happen. Not calling you a liar. But it's odd.

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Just because one person PMs you and takes an image down doesn't mean we haven't consulted with each other.

All I have to go on is what the admin in question who contacted me state. He even said that I could ask for another mod to come in to see if they disagreed with his decision. He was very specific in making it seem as if he acted at his own discretion. There was never a "we came to a decision" it was "I believe it broke the rules.". So, either you're lying, or this admin acted on his own. Either way, it wasn't clear, and that's on all of the admins for not being clear, as you said, you're a team.

Lastly, the "bring it up to Knighty" thing was said to me years ago, back when the site wasn't as busy. So I'm used to the brick wall aspect of admins at this point.

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Allow me to raise one crucial point you have missed ?

Writing a hypothetical story about newborn Scootaloo being raped to death is ok because users must CHOOSE to read it.

Can the same be said for R34 cover images flashing over the screen as users scroll across stories on the main page ?

This is reason we having a NSFW image rule.

Sure, users can enable the mature filter, but mature stories are not exclusively clop. So, no thankyou. Mature themed stories with zero clop exist and excluding those is silly.

Solution?
Don't use NSFW images as cover images.

I understand your dislike in preventing authors from choosing the perfect image, but so long as users are given no choice regarding the display of cover images, Fimfic's NSFW rule will stay.

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Yeah I thought of that.
It is the first solution that comes to mind.

But do you really think the site will be overhauled to accommodate that ?
Will stories have R34 and non-R34 cover images ?
Or just a blank placeholder when R34 images are disabled by the user ?

Until then, authors must put up with that less-than-perfect pic of Chrysalis giving head, just as users must put up with the random balloon boobed pic of Spitfire.

Seriously, imagine the looks you get from people passing by when a fucking clop picture scrolls up on screen.
It doesn't need to be at work, just at home.
Someone walks through the room and gets an eyeful of raunchy Spitfire with boobs bigger than her head.
"Eugh, fucking weirdos." they say.

5017435
Thank you, I believe you understood the video better than most. Despite it making you a target. I can't stand the vagueness of the rule and how wishy-washy the staff can be about enforcing it.

I also find the whole "adsense" debate to be somewhat lame because not only are some users writing about underage ponies having sex *Me* but also humans having sex with said young ponies *also me*. Pretty sure those revenue guys wouldn't like to know about that or even the various bestiality/incest stories. Assuming a normie corporate man could even tell the difference between Winona and Applejack.

I agree with the idea of adding a system to filter this. Just like how the site has a "view mature" setting, there should be a "view NSFW images" setting though I doubt that'll happen.

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As a programmer, I can say that, while it wouldn't be trivial, it wouldn't be even close to a "complete site overhaul" to add that feature unless the code for the site is terrifyingly poorly-written.

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