Lily....Josh....Don't Pull This Crap Again · 9:57pm Apr 24th, 2018
Josh Burner aka FireBrand and Lily Peet.....or Lily Orchard, now, are both members of the Brony Analysis Community and prominent members of Youtube. I am subscribed to both.
In 2016, they had a massive falling out over personal and political reasons, which was only made worse with Trump winning the election. As a result, Lily's videos took on a more hostile tone, with her lashing out at her former friend and anyone who didn't agree with her opinion. It got so bad that Josh had to make a video begging Lily to leave him alone.
Things have been relatively quiet between the two (as far as I'm aware), and while Lily still casts Josh in a harsh light in her videos, it's not nearly as vicious as it was.
And then the shit with ToonKritic happened.
For those who don't know, ToonKriticY2K, another Brony Analyst, was recently revealed as a pedophile. Lily, of course, made a video about this, as well as an addendum:
In the videos, Lily not only verbally castrates Toon for his disgusting behavior, which had been going on for years, but also calls out Josh and other members of the community for not doing anything about it, even going so far as to downplay the seriousness of the situation and - intentionally or not - gaslighting the victims.
Sometime later, Josh made his own video, giving his account of events.
I have watched all the videos. I have listened to both sides. And I have personally concluded that while most of Lily's videos were spot on, she was a bit biased when it came to Josh and his role in this mess. Josh did everything he could have done. And yes, I am aware of the conversation between himself, Lily, and Patchwork Heart.
Josh himself admits that he did not handle that situation well, and he apologized for his behavior.
This morning, Lily made a video in regards to Josh, who apparently sent a cease and desist order to Lily. Apparently Josh has been getting a lot of hate for the whole ToonKritic incident.
Sigh. First off, I have to agree with Lily on this one.
Josh, what you did was stupid. Lily has no more control over her fans then you do over the entire Internet. If these people are bothering you, then you have to choice to ignore them or block them.
HOWEVER....
Guys, blaming Josh and attacking him isn't getting anyone anywhere. He and the others did all they could.
I would also like to point out something that Lily herself seems to have forgotten - ToonKritic wasn't just another analyst. He was their friend. They trusted him. And sometimes when something is right in front of you, it's hard to see the whole picture.
Does that excuse anything? No. Could they have done better? Probably.
But let's not forget who the real monster is here. And Toon isn't the only one, unfortunately. It's been recently revealed that there are at least 2 more pedophiles in the community.
The Brony community has a serious pedophile problem. And that's not going to get fixed if two of its most prominent members are stuck in yet another pissing contest!
Lily, Josh. I understand you two have been through a lot. That you've hurt each other. Your relationship had become toxic and it was simply time for it to end. But don't let your anger blind you to what's truly important.
I understand, of course, that it is highly unlikely that Josh OR Lily will ever read this. Or in Lily's case, if she does read it, she will either ignore me, or lambast me as an idiot that has no idea what the fuck I'm talking about. That's fine. I freely admit that Lily is smarter than I will ever be.
And hey, maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. Maybe Josh will back off and Lily will continue making snarky comments at his expense, and they can both go back to resenting each other in peace while rooting out the various scumbags that have wormed their way into this community.
A girl can hope.
hattafan out.
The biggest problem with Josh is he doesn't talk with anyone before acting, always head first consequences be damned.
And as for lily... I just want to be as far away from that individual as humanly possible.
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They're both pig-headed to be sure.
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Yeah, but, one will try to own it up (with varying results) and the other will hold a petty grudge.
Honestly I completly Agee with you on all of this
Also like how you addressed how when shits about someone close to you your relationship with them can leave you blind to stuff that’s easyier to see if you have some distance. I’ve gone though something similar with a good friend of mine and it wasent until a fight I had with them and some distance did I see who they were becoming. It sucks but it’s true our opinions can blind us.
Agreed. Like you, I’ve seen both sides of the coin. Maybe this whole C&D thing is exactly the thing they both need. Put them both in a room together and allow them to clear the air, once and for all. Then, they can both walk away and move on. But, like you said, we can all dream.
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I understand that this is merely wishful thinking on my part. Josh is brash and impulsive, Lily is arrogant and refuses to admit when she's wrong, and both are relentlessly and infuriatingly stubborn.
Wasn't sure if I wanted to weigh in here or not, so I'll just say this as a side note. I'm definitely biased against Josh as well, having met the guy in real life. My girlfriend and I were attending a con a few years back, won't say which one for a variety of reasons, and she wanted to meet one InkRose. Now, we find her table and I get a spot on her commission list. Conversation about hours is kinda awkward and she has a somewhat flippant attitude that we both find somewhat off putting, but its calm enough. Yadda yadda, come back in a bit and see if it's done. My GF however recently snagged a little collector's item that she wanted to have signed by some of the community members she was a fan of at the time. Now, InkRose didn't seem to have a problem with this and was all for it. All's good.
Now, all this time, Josh had been sitting there to her left. By this point in time, I didn't care much for the analyst community and only vaguely knew him as Firebrand, not even fully sure if that was the guy. Now, as my GF goes in to take the item back after the signature, he snags it and decides to scribble his name on it as well, offering a 'you're welcome' and handing it back. Now, it wasn't some huge sleight and she was more stunned than anything, but it was a lot more impactful than me. It pissed me off either way. The guy just has this smug aura about him. Can't say for Lily, haven't met her, but I found her channel not too long after, back when it was still under the original channel name. I picked up on the scuffles with Josh and...well, I more or less agreed. It sounded like the smug guy I had met at the con. All in all, I just don't like the guy, and looking back on things as a whole, it sounds like he and InkRose had an ego problem during that general time period based on the 'we're #horse famous so try and win a lunch with us' thing they pulled.
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That's the problem with Josh. I'm sure he and Ink Rose meant you no harm, but Josh in particular has a tendency to act without thinking. He also has a very short temper (he ain't called Firebrand for nuthin'.)
Lily, on the other hand has the opposite problem. She is very well aware how her words and actions can come across to other people - she just doesn't care.
Honestly, it's really no surprise that their friendship became toxic.
It's fine if you don't like him. You are entitled to like or not like whoever you want. That's not the issue here.
As stated above, the Brony community has a pedophile problem. MY concern is that Josh and Lily will get into ANOTHER knock-down drag-out, and with everyone's attention on THEM and THEIR problems, these scumbags will be able to slip back under the radar and continue their abusive behavior unnoticed.
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Yeah, that's about right. I have my issues with Josh, but its mostly going to be on the community as a whole to make sure no one gets to slip back out of the spotlight. Everyone has a voice, its just a matter of choosing to speak on a topic. Pedos are absolute scum of the Earth, and should be given no room to maneuver.
Lily's video is how I found out about Foalcon (shudders) and I can see how easily that can be abused
I've been a huge fan of Josh for a while, but I never saw this content...
And I get why people say that the fandom has a problem with pedophiles, but so do other fandoms. Foalcon is awkward and something I wouldn't read, but I think it is better if people read that, instead of searching for children to groom