A Complete Emergency that Everyone Must Know · 9:25pm Apr 22nd, 2018
Brothers. Sisters. Comrades of the United States of America.
I come before you all today as an American citizen who is standing up not just for his rights & freedom, but for the rights and freedoms of others who hold the same beliefs as me. Especially those in California.
This morning, before I ever went to church, I discovered something extremely shocking:
Jerry Brown, Governor of California, along with the state’s Liberal Party and Democrat Party, want to take away California’s freedom of religion and speech, and ban religious texts such as the Bible!
If you don’t believe me, the proof of it is on this link:
Even though I’m no Californian, I am an American, and California is a part of America. What they are doing is nothing more than an act of cold-blooded tyranny.
America is the land where people are free to believe what they believe, and free to make their own choice. Governor Brown, and the Democrat and Liberal council of California, are trying to take away something that so many people believe in, as well as their freedom, and make them believe in something else in a force feed sort of way. At the head of it all, Brown is doing something that which Adolf Hitler tried to do to make the people of Germany worship him.
People of America, including California, we must take a stand against this act of tyranny which threatens to take away what America stands for. Even if you don’t believe in God, please...please help those that do believe to retain their rights and beliefs.
Christians are not really what most people think. We are a kind, caring, and generous people who welcome everyone around us into our hearts and lives. We even welcome those of other walks of life. Anyone who does the opposite is pretty much not a Christian at all.
Please, welcome us into your lives just like we do with you.
This is disgusting. I don't have time to read through all of this, but it sounds serious.
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It is.
Oh boy.
Umm, I don't know how to tell you this, but I looked up and read the Assembly Bill in question, and I didn't find anything about banning the sale of religious text. It does outlaw mental health providers from trying to change their clients' sexual orientation if their clients are under 18. Having actually read the bill though, I still don't agree with it. 
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Well, that is what it said.
God bless America!!!
If you're right, then this action is absolutely disgusting in the extreme and must be opposed.
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It doesn't, not directly. However;
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/california-progressives-launch-another-attack-on-free-speech/
I think you can see where anti-Christian forces would get the go-ahead to act as though this were a ban on the Bible. Because the Bible teaches that homosexuality is a sin (is evil, in other words), it sadly fits into the category of banned material.
I'm angry over this (though I shouldn't be surprised and probably should not lose my temper). This 'law' is illegal (First Amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech...") and I believe it should be erased. Even if it were not targeting the Bible or any religious book, it violates free speech rights and is therefore illegitimate.
Thank you for telling us about this. I was completely unaware of this "bill" until now. Looked this up and a bunch of sites are saying the same thing, along with stuff on Youtube. Just look up the bill and you'll find some (admittedly most if not all of the ones I found seem to be conservative; I hesitate to bring political parties into this when we're talking about religious concerns).
It's not over till it's OVER. Maybe this bill will be repealed. I doubt that everyone in Cali is going to sit still for this. Nor will people elsewhere, given it's direct violation of the 1st Amendment. There's still a legal battle, and maybe it will be knocked out in court.
I will pray. May God go with us all.
That is wrong on all levels. Blessed be the name of the Lord. I go against this! (Even though I live in the UK).
Of course the Bible needs to be allowed to be given to those that believe in it! Banning it for any reason whatsoever is betraying hundreds of years of America's foundations!
Ohhkay...I'm a Hindu. But I agree with https://www.fimfiction.net/user/299482/Zaknel
Time for some devil's advocate.
Eh, not exactly. Taking away freedom of religion would be outlawing the practice and belief of that religion, as far as I know. Outlawing a religious text on entirely nonreligious grounds wouldn't exactly count as an obstruction the 1st amendment. You can still be as Christain or Hindu or Buddhist as you want.
No they aren't. They're saying that the practice of trying to convert someone from homosexualily to heterosexuality (which doesn't work, according to all known science) is wrong and the endorsement of a book encouraging such shouldn't be allowed. You're drawing your own conclusions out of emotion.
America doesn't stand solely for the Bible in any way. Funny how at first you're saying that America is a place where people can believe whatever they want, but still try to sneak in your own narrative of "but the Bible is the most special of those beliefs."
Again, not exactly an infringement on one's right to believe in what they want.
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Well, nevertheless, people have a right to believe what they believe, and what they’re trying to do is sneak in something that not all people believe in. I wasn’t trying to sneak in my own belief, I was encouraging others who have their freedom of belief to help Christians keep theirs. Because what they’re doing still isn’t fair.
And you’re right, America doesn’t just stand for freedom of Christianity, it stands for freedom of everyone. But it wouldn’t be fair to take away the freedom of one certain belief and try to make them teach something else.
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Exactly!
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This same logic can be turned right back at you, by the way.
By this logic it'd be bad to equally include all religions because they're things not all people believe in.
And again, they aren't doing this on nonreligious grounds; they're doing this on the basis of "there is something this book endorses that shouldn't be allowed to be distributed to everyone." There's no vandetta against Christianity here. If their reason for restricting the Bible was along the lines of it just being religious, your point would be legitimate.
They aren't, I've already covered this. This isn't "we should have all Christians teach this," it's "everyone else shouldn't be seeing a book that promotes misinformation."
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Okay, I think I know what's going on. I couldn't quite understand the bill's legalese, but I think what it's basically saying is that mental health providers aren't allowed to say that homosexuality is a sin. California wants them to say that it's totally normal. Okay, just because something is normal doesn't mean that it's not a sin. For example, disrespecting parents and teachers is considered normal nowadays, but it's still a sin. Furthermore, it doesn't stop parents and teachers from trying to teach kids to respect them. Okay, it's not exactly the best example, but I had a hard time thinking of anything else unless you want to talk about addictions and genetic predispositions to them.
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What does this have to do with me?
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You kind of basically said that the Bible promotes misinformation. I disagree.
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Oh, that. Yeah that was kinda poor wording on my part but my point was just that it says homosexualily as a sin, since people back then didn't understand it, when modern science has shown it's actually a natural thing, but that's a discussion for another time.
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The Bible contains the words that were written by God himself. He knows better than anyone what’s right and what’s wrong.
If he says that the man and woman were made for each other, then it’s a lot more correct than science.
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Sure, except for the part where the Bible has been translated, interpreted, modified, and rewritten from memory close to 1,000 times through several thousand years of history, based on what was written by normal people who didn't know why the sky darkened after a certain hour.
But sure, it was all purely god.
I'm evidence driven, so if all the conclusive evidence for a claim is coming from science, it's a lot more correct than the Bible.
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What about evolution?
I mean, that comes from science, yet it isn’t really true. In fact, Charles Darwin originated those theories because he didn’t believe in God nor did he like God either. Especially after the death of his mother.
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Lol no
Darwin originated those theories based on astute scientific observation of varied life.
Also this just tells me that you lack an elementary understanding of how scientific consensus works; once a theory is proposed, scientists don't try to just prove it. They try to DISPROVE it. Continuously. For decades. For a theory to be considered standing scientific fact it has to go through a veritable gauntlet of criticism, peer review, and scrutiny. Evolution has been surviving this gauntlet of consensus for many many years. Let's say you're right about Mr. Darwin and he made his theory based on a pre-established bias. Whatever he came up with ended up being right anyways! So... Try again.
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Well, the reason I know this is because I took some research and found out they were fake myself. Let’s just also say that when your homeschooling since the 6th grade, you start to get a whole other perspective on things, and find out stuff that you don’t learn in public school.
That’s how I learned what I learned about Darwin, because homeschooling gives you access to things that public schools barely mention or don’t want to teach.
It’s also how I learned that there is a whole different side to the field of science than most people think.
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Ah, yes, homeschooling.
So because you've been home schooled you have a greater understanding of how science works on a fundamental level than most seasoned college graduates. Right. Homeschooling doesn't grant you access to anything special except more pre-established parental bias and more free reign to use poor and illegitimate sources in the place of legitimately credible sources of information.
I've already sunk that Darwin ship of yours, do I need to go over why that's a non-argument again?
Also speaking of sources, and I know neither of us have been citing sources up until now, but I gotta change that after your claims here. I wanna see some good sources plox.
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Well, let me ask you this:
If we evolved from single-celled organisms, how could we have eyes? How could we even have thoughts? How can we talk? He would we do things like math, social studies, etc? What purpose would Earth and humans have if they were made because of some mere accident?
Does science even explain any of those things? Because to me, without God, we would never be able to do any of that stuff nor would we have purpose.
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I see you've red-herring-ed the argument away from the homeschooling and citing sources.
I might as well address these organs one by one since I like looking at the research.
Eyes started from just simple photo-receptor cells. "The earliest predecessors of the eye were photoreceptor proteins that sense light, found even in unicellular organisms, called "eyespots". Eyespots can only sense ambient brightness: they can distinguish light from dark, sufficient forphotoperiodism and daily synchronization of circadian rhythms. They are insufficient for vision
There's way too much to quote in one comment without it just being an obnoxious wall of text I'd feel silly about sending.
Thought likely evolved in much the same way - started off as simple reflexes and impulses like eating, mating, surviving... the existence of each being determined by whichever members of a species got lucky with the cognitive impulses to do such, which allowed them to survive and propagate their genes more than others (in a nutshell). I'd provide a source as well but the term "thought" is a bit too vague for my computer's liking. Do you mean consciousness? Cognition? Self-awareness? There's a bunch out there.
Math n' social studies are things that came about after the development of complex society had already begun, and humans were already among the higher-thinkers in the world.
So uh... yeah, looks like science does explain those things when you don't wait for someone else to do the research for you, and in the areas where theories are still kinda in the mixer (the origins of cognition, for example), science will eventually do so as it always has.
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You do realize that they’re just trying to counteract the Bible and get people to believe what they think instead of what the Bible says, don’t you?
Look, the meaning of evolution is that creatures create themselves, and develop things themselves, which is impossible. Something big had to have made everything around us. Everything besides that just comes from theories and assumptions anyway.
I went to a museum in Washington D.C one time, and I arrived at a butterfly exhibit where they try to point out proof that evolution exists, and you know what? There wasn’t even any proof to begin with. They were being too vague and they weren’t even pointing out what the proof even was.
*sigh* But what do you care? It’s obvious that you’re just somebody who’s trying to get people to stop believing in God according to what you’re trying to tell me. Why not just go have a debate with someone else?
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Well now you've just devolved to subjective opinions, a total lack of proof to go with your own claims (which is ironic, considering what you're trying to claim), and some fantastic mental gymnastics to avoid having to face up to the fact that I've shot down every single claim you've thrown at me on this thread - but instead of trying to come up with any kind of rebuttal, you just bunny hop to the next fallacious claim in your arsenal. It's not even worth specifically addressing anything you just said because your claims are spineless and derived entirely from confirmation bias and emotional defense mechanisms.
That said though, it's not my intention to try and put you down personally. It may seem that way (I mean it's not like we all don't get pretty attached to what we argue sometimes, y'know?), but I'm just arguing against what you believe. It's not like you're inherently bad for being religious, but you are correct in the assumption that it'd be nice if I could get someone to stop believing in a God, but it's no campaign mission of mine. I apologize if I made you feel attacked in any way - I'll admit I can get kinda provocative with how I make claims on occasion.
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Maybe that’s because all the proof I need comes from the Bible, and I don’t need too much just to prove my claim.
And I must warn you, you may think you have all you need, but there is a completely different side to public schools that you don’t know about apparently. A very dark side if I may add.
This comment section is something else alright.
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What do you mean?
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I mean, it's kinda surreal, yah?
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Which thing?
The blog post? Or a law breaking the First Amendment?
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I said the comment section, I think.
Though, there's nothing illegal about restricting/forbidding Bibles to be given to LBGT+ people in the situation described below. That would actually do a lot of good, considering what a few of your commenters described.
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Do you mean to tell me that you approve of the Bible getting banned from California?
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Look at what I said below, and the comments on this blog that I referenced. What is talking about getting banned is people changing the sexual orientation of a minor (in the instance mentioned, to keep them from being marked as straight if they clearly aren't) and to not let Bibles be given to LBGT+ people in therapy when it's absolutely not going to do anything good for them.
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I’m aware of that.
But, that isn’t the only thing they’re trying to get rid of. I mean, sure, what those so-called “therapies” are doing isn’t right, but...it also isn’t right to make somebody who doesn’t think homosexuality is normal to say that it is. It would be the same as what the therapy people are doing.
Everyone has a right to choose what path to take and what to believe in, don’t you think?
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The problem is that it actually is naturally occurring in multiple species, humans included. There's also lots of people throughout history who have been LBGT. If you're into citing Bible passages, then it would probably be best to note that the Bible was collected over thousands of years and through Jesus' followers, etc. So, not the whole 'God himself' part. There's multiple interpretations of the passages that claim to be against homosexuality.
Though, this is also a book that's over two thousand years old and does contain things against wearing mixed fibers, for example. Most people who are Christian don't do that, just like most people don't stone people who commit adultery anymore. (It doesn't mean that adultery gets a green flag, obviously.)
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I think there just needs to be a compromise on the whole thing. Something that works for both Christians and people who are gay, and a way for each to live in harmony without feeling forced into something.
Plus, on the multiple species part. How do we know that animals that people claim are doing that sort of thing aren’t just siblings or friends?
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Well, Christians can be gay... or bi... or trans... or a lot of things, really.
Because it's hardly a proper familial or friendly interaction when two animals of the same sex engage in courting/mating rituals, raise offspring together, or have sexual activity. All of these things have been documented before.
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Yet each interpretation says the same thing.
Are you just here to try to get me to not be a Christian anymore or something else?
Because no matter what any of us are going to say, it’s obvious that we both won’t agree on the same thing.
And by the way, religions and sexual orientations aren’t things we’re born with, but rather...things that are based on choice. Eventually the person would have to decide which path to take.
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You can totally be Christian and accept these things, yo.
Also, TIL I chose my sexual orientation. Who knew!
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Well, I choose to be a Christian that stands for the laws of God, as well as the Word of the Bible. I don’t plan on accepting every worldly thing that comes up.
However, just because I don’t like something that people are doing doesn’t mean I wouldn’t welcome them with open arms. The Bible says to welcome every person, no matter who they are or what they do, and that has inspired me to love everyone as equals. Even the gays.
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So you don’t wear mixed fibers either, eh?
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I have no idea what you’re even talking about.
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Wearing clothing from mixed fibers is forbidden according to the Bible
Deuteronomy 22:11
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Oh.
Thanks.