Bucking Nonsense, why do you fear critiques? · 7:19pm Apr 15th, 2018
And yet another author has blocked me for offering analyses and actually trying my best to be patient with his petulant non-debate. I offered points to actually try to help him plot out the story better and explain why the set-up he'd made wasn't plausible and didn't sensibly frame the concept he was positing.
And of course he wanted to hear none of it, for clearly whatever he'd written was a flawless masterpiece above reproach. Now, do you see why I usually just slam stories from such people with pure vitriol? They don't want a legitimate criticism. They seek only the vapid adoration of the addlepated. And when they are confronted with points they cannot contradict, they run and hide after ad hominem attacks upon the critic.
But, I won't go into a long spiel, as it's no longer worth it. Anyone who wants to This fandom is dying and the only ones left are those of us sad to see something with potential squandered so badly and the obsessed who will love anything that's vomited upon them.
It's now sunk to the lows of the Sonic Fandom.
You can critique me to your hearts content anytime mate. But yeah, its pretty bad.
4841024 Eh, I don't read "Lunar Rebellion" anything. The original prodded me the wrong way in too many ways, so any spinoffs just stick the pins deeper into my butt and make me growl louder.
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fair enough. But Chengar and crews are a pretty good example though of what you're talking about. Not from them, mind, but their fans. The writer and his world builders seem able to handle criticism pretty well or at least allow fellows like yours truly to ruminate on matters
https://www.fimfiction.net/group/758/the-cloud-kicker-fan-club-and-winningverse-group/thread/347174/the-apple-paradigm
I'm a student of history see, and it vexes me to no one the way so many are so blind when regarding their works. It seems to me less of an appreciation for the works themselves and more their tugging off on one bias they have or another, and are so vapid they can't even admit it!
4841502 It's like they're all training for a Hollywood career.
Though, I really want to box Uwe Boll. Everyone who accepted his previous challenge was pathetic and couldn't fight worth a crap.
I, on the other hand, trained myself by punching steel doors and concrete!
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You know, if you're not interested in the lunar rebellion stuff, I've been noodling another story. Originally it was meant to fill in gaps I've found in that verse, but I've been thinking of making it its own thing
Where do the half breeds go? The foals of demons and dragons, the hippogriffs and mules? As much as love and tolerance plays a role in equestrian society, such beings would still suffer stigma and ostracization at worst and simply needing help adjusting at least. In the everfree, it stands, a estate, a home, a hearth, to those who've none, to the lost foals lost to the circumstance of their making.
Thoughts?
4842289 First you need to explain something none of these fics ever bother dealing with: How the heck do such biologically incompatible pairings produce offspring in the first place?
Mules, we can understand. Horses and donkeys are very closely related, but even then the offspring are sterile. And, since the mules would barely be discernible among all the wildly-colored and shaped ponies in the land, it's unlikely they'd be singled out for any reason. They'd just blend in.
But a dragon and a pony? How on earth does that work? That only passes muster in "Shrek" with Donkey and Dragon because it's a goofball comedy in a fairy-tale land that's so silly we don't need to question it.
But in a serious story with a serious tone, those questions of how otherwise impossible things take place require answers in the narrative.
You also need to structure WHY they would be scorned in the post-tribal Equestria. It would be much more believable before Celestia and Luna defeated Discord. Placed just after Discord's overthrow, it's easy to think that a dragon-pony hybrid could be seen as either a spawn of a draconequus, or a new Chaos Lord in the making, thus the prejudice arises naturally from a recent fear.
Origins are a big part of such fantasy writing, and too many fanfics gloss over such crucial framework if they bother with it at all. The placement of that exposition within the narrative is also important; it must be woven in smoothly rather than being shoved in as an infodump, unless it's placed in the prologue as introductory material.
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Uhhh.... Magic of Wuv?
4842653 YOU MUST USE MAGICAL SCIENCE TO MAKE IT WORK!!
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I don't know mate... Chengar managed it fine going the asari route of female only coitus inexplicably managing to result in viable offspring despite the fact that ponies, being a sexually dymorphic species, such a thing should be at the least a impossiblity and at worst resulting in foals being still born since two females wouldn't have the genetic make up to even accomplish such a thing with just themselves.
And it gets even more convoluted since apparently, as per Shadow, two stallions can do the same... but need a mare surrogate. As opposed to just boinking her... JUST AS GOD INTENDED!
4843279 Oh boy... do not get me started on the BS nonsense non-biologists with their wish-fulfillment crap vomit up to make their absurd reproduction 'plausible'.
Magic actually works far better as an explanation, because it routinely violates all common sense and physical laws anyway.
Hurr durr, duh magik made the DnA work becawz it R magical!
That's basically what you're left with. But trying to sound scientific about it is far worse, because then it's just flat out wrong.
You think BNS is bad? HA! You haven't seen tyrannosaurianrex9 and his yesman Captain Morgan.
I've given both of them massive paragraph long critiques and then they delete it and call me a "cyberbully". I point out how censorship of criticism will lead to no growth as a writer and they respond saying they DON'T WANT TO GROW and then block me. You have no idea.
Here's an except from saurian's fic:
Definition of trainwreck. Oh, and did I mention its a self-insert?
4851777 I've had quite a few block me. I, on the other hand, haven't blocked anyone.
It does rather speak of strength of will.
Quick question, did you comment on the prologue chapter as well? I only ask because I read through each of the comments between you and Bucking Nonsense, and I saw no helpful advise in order to "try to help him plot out the story better" but rather a constant repetition of your reasons on why the entire concept was not feasible.
In all honesty though, I actually agree on some of your points, especially the point that this was Starlight Glimmers interpretation of what Celestia would be like if she fell, not a canonical representation of her fall, or it's cause. Another area I disagree with Bucking Nonsense on is that, in all actuality, I saw not greed as the motivator for Celestia's imagined/dreamed fall, but the desire to be released of burdens and inhibitors associated with being seen as perfect/a goddess. We have seen in the show and comics that Celestia can act the prankster and troll in order to remind others that she is not a goddess, she is just a pony and, therefore, fallible. If anything would cause her fall, I assume it would have been a deaire to break free of said constraints placed upon her by her posistion and her ponies. The desire to indulge her own whims could then flow from that, and would make more sense...but this is still disregarding what Celestia could have been like a thousand years ago, so...who knows.
Beyond what I've said, I actually enjoy Bucking Nonsense's writing style and the stories of his that I have read. I accept they're not perfect, but none can truly claim otherwise for their own efforts. That said, I am a reader, not a writer, so my understanding is biased towards what gives me enjoyment, but I refuse to attack another for having a differing oppinion on what is ultimately a piece of fiction.
Thank you for your time, and your oppinion sir.
Magus Neon, Equestrian Nomad
4874437 The best stories I've seen with a genuine fallen Celestia have her break down after a very long period of trials in which she must act more and more harshly to maintain Equestria in the face of many foes. She has to shed her kindness and mercy to stop villains who have none. It's the gradual descent that works with a character like her, given that she's not driven by envy, but rather the desire to always protect her ponies.
Frankly, the current show writers don't understand Celesta any better. She's very old, very skilled at ruling, clearly has done very well to become admired by virtually all her subjects for a thousand years. She's immeasurably experienced, and yet she makes blunders now one would expect of the 30 and under crowd. Or someone older but just plain dumb.
Because far too many on this site are that bucking stupid, and make the rest of us look bad. I've got nothing wrong with something contructive.