Why so many people is being so petty on the last Death Battle · 2:06am Mar 4th, 2018
Look, I'm not going to even pretend I'm not petty with Death Battles myself. I still have a list of characters who I think they got heavily nerfed for their battles and lost because of that. I understand this is a divise show, and I even dare to say I know why it is.
However, with that said, there's something new about this DB, and it's people who're being pity because they were right. YouTube comments aside, there's a lot of heat going on in every other place. Hell, even here in FiMFic I've seen a lot of people ranting over how does this Death Battle somehow proves how weak and pathetic is Twilight Sparkle.
What the hell, fandom? I'm seriously weirded out by this thing. Self destructive fandoms, I know about. Hated characters, nothing new. But there's something really disturbing going on here with so many people withing the community wanted to see Twilight bleeding.
Post Data: Points for Twilight for being the first DB contestant who loses and still could have survived without having to apply several pages of fan-theories.
Well said.
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I just limit myself to try and sound coherent at this point.
The only Death Battle I've gotten salty with, is Goku Vs Superman, purely because of HOW Superman killed goku. It's completely impossible, and bullshit. I'm not saying Goku should've won, far from it. Goku was screwed. But he was a literal GOD when Superman killed him.
As for THIS Death battle, I knew it was gonna be a close one, no matter what. I KNEW it was going to come down to a SINGLE, potentially lesser known power, and that would decide the winner. I came to terms with that WAY before hand.
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I'm mostly angry at the Luthor/Iron Man one. While Tony had access to most, if not all of his armory, Lex never got the chance of using his other inventions besides the Warsuit, including the Superman Formula. That would have turned the table.
To be fair, Raven's soul self is among her primary powers and its use is usually common in fights. Also, there's something to be said about it not being a curbstomp. Even Wiz admitted that they were surprisingly even and both had multiple one-shot-killers that balanced each other.
Once i saw who was fighting i IMMEDIATELY thought: "No contest. Twilight doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell."
(Okay, completely ignoring the fact that Death Battles is just another fanfiction...)
Twilight has never been a primary fighter. It's not where her true strength lies. She wins by understanding, befriending, and convincing her opponent that there is a better way and that they don't need to fight anymore. (See: Starlight Glimmer, Tempest, Sunset Shimmer, etc.) Alternatively, she teams up with her friends and unleashes the true magic of friendship to neutralize them. (See: Nightmare Moon, Discord, Tirek, the Sirens.) Or, when that fails, something else comes out of the folds to save the day, like the power or love, or hope. (See: Chrysalis, Sombra, Chrysalis again.)
Twilight wins with friendship. But this is Death Battles, not "Understand your enemy's pain and befriend them" Battles. In a basic punch-up, Twilight's just not at her fullest.
Besides, Death Battles doesn't take into account "X could have done this one thing". They look at general numerical capabilities, reliable advantages, and persistent, non-circumstantial weaknesses, and base their decision on who has the general advantage and would win most of the time. Raven just had the bigger statistics behind her punches.
If Twilight had been allowed to use her true power? The fight would have ended with Raven crying on Twilight's shoulder, followed by them becoming best friends forever.
I like Twi and I have to agree we don't see her body after the crash so she can be unconscious and not dead.
And I'm curious why did she become discorded at the end?
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Depends which Superman and which Goku. The Superman who lives in the sun and has become immune to all forms of harm is not the same as the one whose primary abilities involve lightning, and etc.
It also depends on if you consider Ki to be a physical type attack or a mystical type attack - if it's mystical, then Goku's weakest Link blast would turn Superman into paste as canonically Superman has no more resistance to mystical attacks than an ordinary human.
That particular DB is a mess because both of them vary so wildly in strength over their own series that you're comparing two broad gradients against each other.
With respect to the Tara Strong fight, they made a few mistakes. For starters, they treated the Tirek tackle as the upper limit of Twilight's durability in spite of it not even phasing her. They also based their calculations on Tirek's mass and velocity but neglected that he used Twilight as a battering ram to plow through a mountain without slowing down. That's a bit like comparing a car crash to a hydraulic press and saying the crash is more capable of destruction because it's so much faster.
Also, as stated, Twilight's abilities are geared towards subverting enemies and twisting them to her side. Denying her that is itself comparable to taking away Raven's soul self. Or like saying sharks are weak because they can't climb trees.
Twilight had no chance at winning under those circumstances, but she probably survived - she's pretty much indestructible.
(Also, Raven's Soul Self is variably attached to reality, and it's mass depends on how attached it is. It can travel at mach speed only because it's not even really there. When it actually DOES interact with matter it has mass and is restricted to mundane speeds.
Also also, if Raven hit something with her soul self at mach 36 when had mass she would be seriously injured or die - it's tough, but it CAN be hurt by physical attacks.)
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Give her some credit. I've read Raven curbstomping villains of Superman's caliber, so for Twilight to hold as well as she did, it was quite impressive.
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I'm a-okay with the DB itself. It's the fan reaction what really unnerved me.
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What I find interesting is that, for all it's worth, Raven is probably one of the less prone to jump the gun characters in the DCU. If anything, since her being a brony was in full in the DB, I think it should have ended as soon as it began, in a squee of fangirling. Well, that's what fanfictions are for.
What surprised me the most is that this is the first DB I see where the petty side is the winning one. To make the comparison, when Goku lost (both times), anger came out of DBZ fans. One could know it was out of attachment to their favorite show and character. However, here the hate seems to come from people who wanted Twilight to lost. It's harder to see from where does this one come from, not because it's not obvious, but because on has to admit that it's hate coming out of hate. That's what caught me by surprise.
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Well, Raven powers are mainly emotional. As Wiz and Boomstick said, she can force feelings on others. With that in account, and her ability to actually absorb emotions too, the quickest explanation is that Raven 'ate' Twilight's positive emotions in order to drain her of drive.
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I think the decision for this one has the same metatextual base from the Superman vs Goku one. In the later, Supes won out of his base concept being about a limitless man limiting himself in order to help others, while Goku was about the man who always find a limit to overcome. When you put that in perspective, the story of both demands for Superman to win so Goku still has a motivation to keep going. They even addressed that last part in the post-battle scene with Kaiosama.
As Mooncalf (4809600) put it, if the battle had been allowed to operate on non confrontational terms, like talking, Twilight would have won because she's the Princess of Friendship. She would have friended the fvck out of Raven (now there's a line I never thought I'd have used).
4810559 Touché. Twilight definitely did alright. Still, as undeniably awesome as she is, most of her magical might comes from her bond with her friends and the occasional Deus Ex Machina. Raven has constantly had to hold herself back.
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It's a shame DB doesn't allow preparation time. A lot of people, and I do mean a lot, have figured out that the quickest way to take out Raven is to knock her up before the battle escalates (Deathstroke, Ravager, Psimon, Batman, Robin).
4810876 Do you mean knock her OUT?
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Out! Out, goddamn it. I meant out!
Goddamn it, Google autocorreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeect!
I disagree with the outcome. Twilight should have won.
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IDK, pal. With decades of experience under her belt and hitting on Justice League level, I don't see how could Twilight come on top on a physical confrontation. As a comment says up there, if it was on less "death match" terms, it's more plausible that Twilight would have ended up befriending Raven, who's probably a fan of hers to begin with.
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Experience? She lost every magic battle and the Justice League would destroy her and that level raven would be dead in seconds. Twilight totally takes the win.
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Also Twilight has ton of feats over raven. In the comic she help Celestia and luna move the moon closer to terra as a unicorn. She also 1v1 Chrysalis, took on a alternate version of Celestia. She survive the power of the 4x alicorn magic by the storm king. I can go on and on. Point is that raven should have been disintegrated by Twilight magic blast or crushed by Twilight very own soul self.
Twilight chances of winning to the death: 98%
Raven chances of winning to the death: 3%
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Animated? Not sure, lost track after the original TT.
Comics? Dude, Raven faced the Anti-Monitor, Darkseid and Triggon, all before being 20. Hell, she's even defeated the rest of the Titans and the Justice League when not holding herself back. She's up on New Gods levels if unrestrained, which is one of the Death Battle conditions.
But anyways, debate aside, I'd recommend you Marv Wolfman and George Pérez' New Teen Titans. It's an amazing read.
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Did that happen before or after crisis? If so then its uncannon to me. I dont use noncanon. With the canon feat raven is nothing compare to Twilight who is miles above her. Not only that but even with those feats.. Pretty sure she couldn't do it on her own. There are millions of heros and villains who solos raven. Raven not a fighter, she's more of a medic she has least attack power than Twilight, Who's biggest feat was battling an alternate universe Celestia as a unicorn. Celestia is a god among ponies, maybe not be the only one who care raise the sun but can do it with 1% of her power. And Twilight took her head on without her friends because they was busy handling the alternate universe Luna. Raven at the beginning was a useless fighter, she lost and got one shot so many times. You put up that she defeated the titans which is true but you forgot that the titans defeat her as well in her most powerful state. So its no comp that Twilight can handle raven at all.
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Darkseid was post-Crisis, Anti-Monitor obviously in-Crisis and Triggon has been multiple times on both sides of Crisis and Flashpoint. Though, since Wolfman himself wrote Crisis as he was going with New Teen Titans, I doubt he erased much of it besides the ever-moving target that is Donna Troy's backstory. All of it is a moot point, as Death Battle takes characters on their prime and only take out feats if they're in contradiction with the main canon of said character.
I just don't see Twilight kicking at superhero levels. Even with Tirek's fight in account, she's more on the city-busting level, while Raven has fought with and alongside planet busters, including the Titans of Myth and her father. But overall, dude, I think we could go on with this ad infinite and still come out empty handed. This whole thing is all subjective to begin with. Even with Death Battle's use of calculations, it all depends on how do you interpret those numbers too.
And even then, at the end of the day, who wins a fight is more down to whom the writers thinks can win and how much they can pull it off. If you were to write a convincing scenario of Twilight wining, or I did the same for a tie, either would be as valid as how coherent the arguments were, and even then, it's down to how much the public accepts it.
Quoting Alan Moore: "This is an IMAGINARY STORY... Aren't they all?"
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Like a bunch of lil whinners who will 100% rant and get salty if Twilight won cause their so called god of dark magic lose to a pony.
"All of it is a moot point, as Death Battle takes characters on their prime and only take out feats if they're in contradiction with the main canon of said character."
My problem is that they can't really do that because it has it's own canon. Just like superman, they combine the original character with a alternate universe character. It wont work like that.
"while Raven has fought with and alongside planet busters, including the Titans of Myth and her father." Yeah... Characters who are far too powerful than raven. She fought Trigon with the aid of character too powerful defeat alone. The Titans of myth crushes Raven and so can her father. Twilight only godly aid was the 4x alicorn magic power. The main focus is thier past experience- Raven never solos anybody while in her earlier years, Twilight went up against star-solar system level beings. In her first attempt to destroy Trigon she failed to bring the Justice League and the new titans together.
Superman- No contest
Flash- speeds blitz and one shot her
Batman- Outsmart and well because "he's Batman" (both joke and statement)
Starfire- speed blitz and stomps in power.
Robin- Had suspicious on first sight.
but Twilight successed defeating nightmare moon, who is 1000 years experience then twi.
They need time and patient and this well go well. My problem are:
A: They composite raven but not Twilight. They never use the comics feat that truly tides close to its main canon where as Raven does not. Her story is always changing and they needed to stick to the first raven comic which is the new titans to its before reboot. Giving Twilight her comics feat completely turns the tables and ultimately gets the win.
B: They didn't give Twilight much props. I disagree that Twilight city level. She is a alicorn and only alicorn that is city level is cadence. Alicorn are godly levels, both luna and Celestia can raise the sun and Twilight scales to Celestia and raven is nowhere near Celestia.
C: Twilight bearly fought back.
D: They chose the useless spells for Twilight when she has ton of spells to end the match.
E: Emotions doesn't equal magic. Twilight will still has magic and still powerful enough to one shot the soul self and destroy the raven flower pot.
Maybe So. But if the public is going to react as if raven vs Twilight was accurate then no. Im sorry but they are misguided. I have bring justice to a overestimating god pony. I sick of saying oh well because I did that too many times.
Maybe I can't convince you much but jarujaruJ could.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TEO4hyxJC9M Predictions
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1VJp8M6d510
Review and critics
Even though he's not saying Twilight should have won. But there's no evidence showing it cleary goes to raven. And from the prediction theres heavy evidence that point the true winner to Twilight. And he's not a mlp or raven fan.
And these two bronies review where I smell a hint of bias towards death battle.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JcvvphiAz60
I can accept lex lost because of a simple logic: Iron man has lots of suits and lex has one. I can accept ww lost against rouge and Im happy for lucy and rainbow dash winning. But the problem is that this is probably finale pony battle. And it all ended with a loss with no way of bouncing back.
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What can I go on with, mate? I just don't follow half of what you get at, and it still looks subjective from where I see. On the other hand, you're missing a feat Twilight got on Death Battle; she's the first combatant to survive the encounter. Or at least she lost in a way that doesn't explicitly imply her death. By the show's standards, she's the toughest loosing party so far. Not even Batman went out with that dignity.
Then again, I'm more of a team-up crossovers guy than a versus one. Sure, they later is THE spectacle, like the Colosseum. But I get more invested in the former. If you ask me, the more interesting part of Death Battle is the analysis, where we get to meet new characters, or get a different perspective on the known ones.
Peace.
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Boomstick: Nopony is going walk out of that.
Seems to me they're implying that Twilight was killed.
I don't care even if she did survived, Batman should've won his battles and Twilight deserves to win that match. At a entertainment stand point I will be okay and be happy that Twilight was the first Survivor or winner. But the research stand point they're logic doesn't make any sense to me. JarujaruJ made a better reasonable analysis than they did. And if some non brony see mistakes in their match then I know they're either mess up or planned it. I'm speaking this as a fan of mlp and teen titans and also death battle, at least use to. I dont disagree with you but I think that you just believing what they are saying when its not the way it was handled. But I guess this is going nowhere. But i hoped you understand that Twilight is stronger than death battle predicted. I understand and I'm sorry that you didn't.