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Estee


On the Sliding Scale Of Cynicism Vs. Idealism, I like to think of myself as being idyllically cynical. (Patreon, Ko-Fi.)

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PSA: Public pSychosis Announcment · 12:44am Jan 22nd, 2018

If I see one more heap of grammatical vomit, spellcheck-created compost pile, and nuclear cliche' overload masquerading as a Sonic The Hedgehog/MLP crossover fic today, I'm going to kill something.

Thank you.

P.S. No, you can't aim me.

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Out of curiosity, have you ever come across a good crossover with Sonic? I think I've seen some, I just can't remember their names at the moment.

Ohboy. Thanks for the warning not to look at the new stories column.

Estee #3 · Jan 22nd, 2018 · · 1 ·

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I hardly ever come across a good game with Sonic. (If Sonic Mania did anything, it might have been to prove the franchise's only hope lies in doing an about-face to the mid-90s and never turning forward again. What Sonic Forces mostly accomplished was one of the genre's more comprehensive Create Your Own Eldritch Horror sections.) As far as writing goes, I understand that some of the official comics have been decent, and the Sonic Boom TV series has some laughs. (Those produced by the game are unintentional.) But for fics... I believe there's good writing out there. I think nearly all fanfic communities, regardless of original franchise, host people who can produce quality work. I'm even sure there's such a thing as a great STH/MLP story.

But when it comes to what I see sliming its way down the New column...

I'm sure there are good Sonic writers. But it also seems to attract what so often feels like the worst of the worst. It's reached the point where the hedgehog's mere presence has just about worked its way onto the list of Top Ten Signs This Fic Is Gonna Svck. And yet no matter how much the work makes your eyes bleed, it collects upvotes. Apparently unironic ones. Because yay, Sonic!

I could search for 'Sonic' among the site's stories and then shuffle by rating. But... that would count for 'one more'.

It's not worth the risk.

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The Sonic Archie comic was fantastic, especially near the end. But yeah, good pony/Sonic crossovers are ridiculously rare...

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I think you're looking for Twilight Snarkle's "Order from Chaos" and sequels. (Okay, I didn't care for the first sequel, "Justice.")

a silly video comes to mind, but i'm not sure it qualifies as good...
in fact, part of it gets pretty violent.
basically Sonic and Rainbow Dash have a race...
should i post it?

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Oh yeah, those were GREAT.

Yeah, this is one of those times where the "Most" in my username comes into play. If I see a Sonic crossover, I just go look somewhere else. Biased, I'll admit, but based on enough evidence to confirm the trend. I'm impressed that you're even willing to give new ones a try. And maybe a little concerned on your behalf.

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Isn't that primarily a Robotnik crossover, with no hedgehogs in sight for the entire first story?

Hmmm...

I'm even sure there's such a thing as a great STH/MLP story.

This week on Ripley's Believe It or Not...

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Do you want to add Sonic to Equiforce? Like, Rainbow's old commander could be a Pegasus named Blue Blur?

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True, but he shows up in a later one I believe, and it's still the same world.

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He doesn't have to be, but that would be a pretty cool cameo.

Sonic and MLP crossovers are like "don't cross the streams" level of dangerous. Two fanbases with the possible toxicity level of those two is a recipe for disaster if I've ever seen one.

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Somewhat, perhaps? From what I remember, if you don't count stories unless Sonic himself shows up, then yeah, only the third would be considered a "proper" Sonic crossover. Personally, I think that's a bit extreme, and would say that all of them ought to count, bar a couple of the side-story anthology's chapters where Robotnik's involvement is essentially window-dressing for a (rather awesome) story-within-a-story.


Links for people who want to take a look themselves:

1 – Order from Chaos
2 – Justice
3 – Hope

side stories – Fine Steps

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It was pretty okay. The first book could stand alone on its own, and the third one put an interesting spin on Sonic and Robotnik's relationship. The second one... I can't remember anything about it, so I guess you could say it was forgettable.

As a general rule though, my eyes start to glaze over whenever Sonic is mentioned. I think it's a learned response.

I played Sonic the Hedgehog on my college roommate's Sega Genesis back in 1993-94, and have literally not touched any game in the series since. I have only a dim understanding of what the whole hullabaloo is. I am to understand my lack of experience is a good thing?

(and now for the punchline)... and here I thought MLP/Steven Universe was toxic!

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Just looked & in a month it's going to be 5 years since that was written.
1) 1 decent story in 5 years isn't a trend, it's an exception
2) IYO, the only decent STH/MLP crossover had NO Sonic? Not quite sure what that means, but it can't be good.
However, your idea for a List of Clues That This Fic Is Gonna Suck sounds interesting

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ONE A THE DAY IT WAS SOENIC HEDGOG THE GO TO EQESRIA AND PONVILLY SEE THE PONY FRENZD

I "GOT TO GO FAEST said SOCIN AS HE SPED ALGON THETH GROIND

TAIL WAS FLY FASTP BEHIDN SOCNIN HYE WATE UP" HE SHULTED

BUT SCONIS DID NOT LIKE 2 WAYT HE FASTERED AND IN THE SKY THER WAS A RINABOW EXPULSION

WHOA"" SOCIJ JOLED 'I WONEDER WAHT THAT WAUS" AND SH SPEED AL GOEN FASTAR

SOON THER EN FRENT OF HEM WAS A BIG HROSE!!!I AM NITMAR MOEN SHE SADED WITH EVIL

OH!!!!!NO# CRYED SOCCC AND TAL TOGEBTHAR

TOB E CONTUED?

4779081 THEN IT WAZ NITE AND TEH BIG HORS LAUGHEDED. I IS GOING TO KEEP IT NITE ALL TEH TIM AND YOU CANTZ STOP ME.

OH YEAH SHOUTED SOENIK YOU IS A BAD HORS AND MI FRENDZ KIK YOUR BUTT BUT MOSTLE ME.

I IS SNARTER THAN U SHOUTED TEH BAD HORS BECAUS I HAZ FAST HEDGEOG TWO NAMD NUCKLES AN HE FASTR THN FAS

DEN NUCKLES CAN ALOGN GROUN REEL FATZ AN BLESTED PAS SOENIK AN NOKED HIM IN2 BUSHZ

Hey, I have a question for those of you not taking a sanity break from crossovers of these universes.

A while ago, in the wake of a tag update, I speculated about a specific combination of tags: Anthro and Crossover. Now, maybe I can find my forum post, maybe I can't. But the discussion recommended that, just as Human should not be selected when humans appear strictly as the result of Crossover and/or Equestria Girls elements, Anthro should not be selected when the anthro characters are only from a crossover.

All of which led me to ponder a StH/MLP crossover where the ponies present are *like* the ponies in FiM, but native. Like, they're Mobian horses (of some range of heights), they have magics, some of them even have familiar names and corresponding personalities. Just, their histories deviate enough from FiM so as not to rewrite too much of the Sonicverse.

So how about it? Does such a Sonic/Anthro!MLP crossover exist? Will a talented writer create it?

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I hardly ever come across a good game with Sonic.
-Estee

Funny story... (for a given value of funny)

I interviewed at Sega Technical Institute back in the day, when they did Sonic games. I got a pretty good job offer from them, and had to explain to my wife why I wasn't going to take it. I finally had to resort to hyperbole: "The smell of death was in the air."

I was right, too.

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A while ago, in the wake of a tag update, I speculated about a specific combination of tags: Anthro and Crossover. Now, maybe I can find my forum post, maybe I can't. But the discussion recommended that, just as Human should not be selected when humans appear strictly as the result of Crossover and/or Equestria Girls elements, Anthro should not be selected when the anthro characters are only from a crossover.

That seems reasonable, barring one minor detail: readers unfamiliar with the crossed setting won't have the knowledge that would make an Anthro or Human tag redundant. There are a few crossovers I've read on here where I didn't know the first thing about the other setting, and the tags gave me a vague idea of what to expect going in. I appreciate them, I guess.

All of which led me to ponder a StH/MLP crossover where the ponies present are *like* the ponies in FiM, but native. Like, they're Mobian horses (of some range of heights), they have magics, some of them even have familiar names and corresponding personalities. Just, their histories deviate enough from FiM so as not to rewrite too much of the Sonicverse.

So how about it? Does such a Sonic/Anthro!MLP crossover exist? Will a talented writer create it?

That seems like an awful lot of trouble to go through, just to say something isn't MLP on a MLP fanfic site. Regardless, what you're describing is known as a "fusion fic", where the two settings are interwoven completely, and combined into one. To use a well-known example, Fallout Equestria was a fusion fic.

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"I CAN FELL MY FAEC WHEN IM WITH YOU" DESCRIVED TALIS

NO NUX''' SAID SOENIC HE CLAMBED OFT OF BUSH? "WE ARE SPOST 2 B FREN

FOLISH HUMAN SAID NIMGTHAR MON I MEAN HODGEG HE IS UNDAR MAI SPEEL!!!1

TEHN ASONIC POES WITH FINGAR OUT AND SAY: NUCKLES U ARE MY FRAND DO NUT SERV TEH EVIL ONES! THIS IS NOT DE WAE

THEN AN HUNDROD NUKLZ APEAR!!! ITS UGANDA! TEYH KNEW DA WHEY AN SHOVED NIMTARGH MONO THE MOOOOONAH! BEEYETCH!

SO EQESTURIA WAS SVAED

AND SONIC NUCKLES AND TALIS WERE FERENSED EVERFOR

TEH EDM

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Between three posts and two writers, 278 words.

So far away and yet so -- far away.

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I will take this as the highest compliment.

I've seen this around on Discord. Wonder what is it about Sonic that attracts people who seem like they can't walk and breathe at the same time.

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Chris Chan just got an unexplained boner.

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The characters and stories are colorful and simplistic, allowing them to appeal to people who prefer or need those traits in their media in order to appreciate or follow said media. Not to sound insensitive but bright colors and archetypal characters appeal to people with conditions such as autism (no seriously, I'm not making this up, look it up if you're unsure), hence some of the fanbase stereotypes.

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I happen to think the one that I started is quite good.

But heads-up, because I only started it; it’s been unfinished for... an embarrassingly long time.

...

But it definitely has Sonic in it! And going fast! And absolutely no cringe-y romance! And going fast! And going faster!

Faster!

But it isn’t Sonic X!

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Yeah, either that or small kids. Like, the last Sonic game I ever played was Sonic and Knuckles Collection and those were times when half of the current Sonic fandom wasn't even born yet.

On the whole, I try not to be That Guy, and to keep in mind that every fandom has its share of weirdos, scumbags and just plain embarrassing people, and that one-upmanship over your nerdy interests is a losing game for everyone.

Having said that, I'm only halfway joking when I say that Sonic fandom seems to be the worst of the lot, somehow.

What's weird is I've noticed that the worst art on deviantart seems to often be Sonic, or at least the worst artists on the site tend to have some Sonic art in their galleries. No idea why.

I'm a bit late to this discussion but whatever, I'll leave my two cents.
I have never read and don't ever intend to read any Sonic related fics. Sonic is a failure as a franchise, sorta like the one with the dingo.
For some reason though, Sonic commands more nostalgia? I blame the edginess. We've all had a phase or two craving for it. Anyway, the games are consistently bad and their more interesting sections are when you are NOT going fast (and we're only talking about the few Sonic games that have good stuff in them).
I'm sure there's been good stuff about Sonic, but isn't it more like talented people have managed to make something out the character?
Anyway, now about fics. One of my Top-Ten-Signs-A-Fic-Is-Going-To-Suck is overuse of tags, if a story has romance comedy gore drama thriller mystery sex mane six twilight sparkle blossomforth etc etc. I just know it's going to suck, even the longer stuff tends to stick to fewer tags.
For any jimmies rustled I apologize in advance, I don't mean to be disrespectful, IMHO and all that.

At least it is not a Bubsy crossover, eh?

if only I could write, I would wait a sonic the hedgehog X Pride and prejudice crossover

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It's one of those laws. Sturgeon's?
90% of everything is crap, therefore if something is popular and has a lot of content made for it, the crap is going to be on display way more than anything of quality.

Plus lots of artists have to jump on the big popular topics to get their names out there and known so their actual passions have an opportunity to be seen by as wide an audience as possible. It just so happens that most of the time, the ambition outweighs skill and talent, resulting in your typical deviantArt page.

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Dude. Tag overdose is one of the signs of an unfocused piece for sure. It's really unlikely that your average fic writer is going to be able to finesse the transition from romantic comedy to spy thriller, never mind adding in multiple canons to keep straight.

Honestly never understood the appeal of direct world meets other world myself. I like the kinds of crossover where elements of one world are integrated into the other in more of an AU fashion.

As for Sonic as a series, I found myself in possession of one game as a kid in one of those situations where clearly it was an adult just grabbing whatever bright shiny box caught their eye first. Forgettable and mediocre.

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Let me catch you up:

Short version: Sonic is cool, and for marketing purposes, cool is a moving target. (Cool is not a moving target. There are no cool things, only normal things done for normal reasons by cool people.) As a result Sonic doesn't have a fandom as much as two dozen partially-to-mutually exclusive splinter fandoms, and the more of them anything tries to reach simultaneously, the less any of them like it.

It could be worse. He could be literally any other mascot platformer except for, like, Mario and Kirby.

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Thank you for the Cliff's Notes version!

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...good crossover with Sonic...

I'm reasonably certain that's as close as you can get to a real life oxymoron.
Sure, someone could write a short crackfic featuring some of the characters, but that wouldn't be an actual crossover, would it?

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Let me guess: circa 2005? Because the death is known as 'Sonic '06.'

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Earlier than that by a few years... but I've got a good nose! :raritywink:

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