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My Little Pony Equestria Girls: Legend of Everfree Review (SPOILERS) · 1:59pm Oct 2nd, 2016

The Divine Bacon Goddess has a new movie. Let's talk about it!

Don't worry...I've got this. :rainbowdetermined2:



I'm dividing this review into two sections: a plot summary/recap and my own rambling thoughts.

The Movie

The film opens with Sci-Twi having a nightmare. Within a nightmare. She's tossing and turning in bed when her friends come to get her up and packed for Camp Everfree. While she's getting dressed, Midnight Sparkle appears, kills all her friends, and starts erasing reality all around her.

She wakes up screaming in her seat on the bus to Camp Everfree, surrounded by her friends.

Once the CHS students arrive at Camp Everfree, we meet Gloriosa Daisy and Timber Spruce, the camp directors. Gloriosa is ridiculously cheerful and perky, and encourages the campers to come up with whatever activities they want to do at Camp Everfree, cheerfully going along with all the suggestions--even Rarity's bizarrely inappropriate "fashion show" idea, which becomes a very annoying running gag throughout the movie. We also meet Filthy Rich, who contrary to his pony counterpart is a cutthroat jackass real estate shark. Among the things that stand out as important in the first act: Timber's warning to stay away from the rock quarry, and Sci-Twi developing an instant crush on Timber Spruce. Also, Timber Spruce is strongly opposed to the tradition of the "camp gift", where each year's group of campers builds something to benefit future campers. Gloriosa points out all the things previous years' campers have made for future campers to enjoy, such as the gazebo, the totem pole, and the sundial--which was made by Celestia and Luna's class when they came to Camp Everfree.

As everyone settles into their tent assignments and puts away their stuff before heading to the docks for the camp safety lecture, Sunset and Twilight have a heart-to-heart, where Sunset reassures Twilight that nobody's blaming her for what happened at the Friendship Games and that the students of CHS are the most accepting and forgiving group around. She also teases Twilight a little bit about that scene with Timber Spruce. While Sunset is looking for her sunscreen, Twilight suddenly starts levitating everything in the tent. Sunset thinks this is awesome, but Twilight is severely freaked out by it and asks Sunset not to tell anybody what happened. Sunset agrees, and before she leaves the tent, she tries to levitate stuff too, but is disappointed when nothing happens. (Aww.)

Leaving the tent, Sunset runs right into Gloriosa, who suddenly angrily shouts something in Gibberese with a bit of a power echo. Well that isn't ominous at all!

Everyone spreads out to find stuff to do. Fluttershy has birds landing on her finger and feeds the ducks in the lake, a lot of people are looking forward to the lake activities. Twilight is walking down the dock when a board breaks under her foot and she trips, falling right into Timber's arms. From a distance, Flash watches; as Sunset walks up, he sighs and says he can't really get jealous since this isn't "his" Twilight. Sunset rather bluntly breaks it to Flash that his little crush on Princess Twilight isn't going anywhere and he should just let it go.

With the dock proving to be a safety hazard, the principals suggest shutting it down, which means cancelling all the lake activities. None of the campers are enthused about this. Gloriosa says they should be able to patch the dock up so it can be used safely, but Applejack has a better idea: the students of CHS could tear down the dock and build a brand new one as their camp gift. Timber isn't very enthralled with this idea, and gets in Gloriosa's face about the "camp gift" again.

Wow. Is anyone else getting the idea that maybe he wants Camp Everfree shut down? Because it certainly sounds that way. Sunset certainly seems to wonder what's up with Timber and Gloriosa.

Rainbow rallies everyone around AJ's idea. The Wondercolts quickly set to the task of planning the dock construction, with Sci-Twi, Sunset, Rainbow, Fluttershy, and Applejack all contributing suggestions while Watermelody draws up a design. In no time at all, the campers, principals, and Timber Spruce are hard at work on the new dock. (Even though Timber was opposed to this whole idea, at least he's pitching in to help. Gotta give the boy credit for that.)

That night, around the campfire, Timber Spruce tells the campers the legend of Gaia Everfree, a forest spirit who menaced his great-grandparents while they were building the camp long ago. Gaia Everfree tried to run them off the land, but their pleas convinced her to let them stay--with a warning that they would not be able to keep the land forever. One day, she would return and reclaim the camp. An important detail he emphasizes throughout the tale is the "trail of gem dust" that Gaia Everfree leaves in her wake. As he ends his story, Gloriosa comes out of the bushes, scaring everyone senseless. She apologizes for scaring everyone, and Sunset lampshades how her coming out of the bushes seemed intended to do just that.

As the campers are breaking up to go back to their tents, Rainbow ponders the possibility that Gaia Everfree is some magical creature from Equestria like the Sirens. The others downplay this as probably not, but Applejack says that she really hopes camp won't be ruined by some magical mishap. The others start talking about all the bad luck they've had with magic lately, and Sci-Twi gets depressed and dejected. Sunset asks the girls to lay off the talk about the Friendship Games since Twilight's still sensitive about it.

That night, Twilight has another nightmare about Midnight Sparkle. She wakes up screaming, which prompts a bleary-eyed Sunset to jump out of bed ready to kung-fu everything in sight. :twilightoops: Her terror over her dream makes her magic go haywire, levitating her bunk and everything in her half of the tent. Sunset thinks they really need to talk about Twilight's magic and her nightmares, but Twilight adamantly refuses.

Day comes, and we cut to Derpy and Sandalwood sailing on the lake. There's no breeze, and Derpy is cutely trying to make the boat move by blowing on the sails. Seriously, it's adorable. On the shore, Sunset is trying to convince Twilight that she needs to talk about what's going on with her and learn to control her magic instead of being afraid of it. Twilight angrily retorts that she'll never be able to control her magic. Just as she's getting mad at Sunset, Derpy's boat crashes into the dock, destroying a large section of it. As everyone rushes to help Derpy and Sandalwood, Twilight thinks she caused the crash. Sandalwood says that they were stuck in the middle of the lake because there wasn't any wind, and then suddenly there was a huge gust of wind. Pinkie wonders if it was the spirit of Gaia Everfree. Trixie makes a grand show of trying to summon the spirit, leading Pinkie to facepalm. Pinkie. Yeah.

Rarity, meanwhile, discovers a trail of glittering gem dust on the water surface. With everyone upset about the destruction of the dock after all the hard work they've put into it, Twilight runs off into the forest to sing a musical number of despair.

With Twilight having run off, Sunset goes back to their tent to look for her. She isn't there, so Sunset wakes Spike up to ask him about Twilight. She says she needs to find Twilight and talk to her since it's time to deal with the magic thing head-on just in case the lake accident was her magic. Spike helps Sunset track Twilight down in the woods.

In the woods, Twilight runs right into Timber Spruce, who puts his "smooth moves" on her without missing a beat. Ugh. While they're walking and talking, Timber gets real for a moment and confesses that when he was younger, he wished they could sell Camp Everfree and move to town to live like normal people. Then they go back to flirting. In the bushes, Sunset and Spike are watching them, and a smirking Sunset decides they can talk to Twilight later, after she's done flirting with Timber. Aww.

Back at camp, some of the campers are doing rock climbing. Rarity is climbing the rock climbing wall in high-heeled boots, with Applejack as her spotter. Twilight and Timber come out of the woods by the rock climbing wall, and Rainbow goes off to get a harness so she can go up the wall since Twilight's there to spot her now. Once Timber rushes off to find his sister, Sunset comes out of hiding from where she's been stalking Twilight this whole time to talk to her about her magic. Before she can get started, there's an inexplicable earthquake. Bulk Biceps shouts about some "crystally dusty stuff" he, Flash, and Derpy found. Rarity slips off the rock climbing wall, and while trying to get her down, Applejack suddenly manifests magical super strength, leading to a mishap with the safety harness and a very put-out Rarity. Applejack tries to apologize while saying she's confused about what happened, but when she offers to help Rarity take off her harness, Rarity sternly refuses her help...and projects a gem-shaped forcefield that blasts AJ into the lake. Rarity is confused about what just happened; Twilight tells Rarity she doesn't think it was her fault. Twilight uses getting AJ a towel as an excuse to get away from that scene, and Sunset followers her.

Sunset is excited that the other girls are all starting to get magical powers, meaning Twilight isn't the only one and can stop freaking out about it now. Twilight isn't as optimistic--she believes that the magic she's started manifesting is leaking and "corrupting" her friends. Their argument is interrupted by Gloriosa, who hears about the lake incident and rushes off to get towels, clothes, and cocoa for AJ. Just then, the girls hear a scream from the camp kitchens. It's Fluttershy; they rush off to investigate.

The kitchens are an absolute mess. There's exploded cookie dough everywhere. Fluttershy and Pinkie Pie were decorating cookies; Pinkie, being Pinkie, was tossing sprinkles all over the place when suddenly, the sprinkles she was tossing around glowed pink and exploded. She demonstrates, creating a magical sugar explosion that blows the girls' hair back. While trying to clean up the mess, Fluttershy spontaneously develops the ability to talk to animals when a passing bird helps her reach the paper towels on the top shelf. Before Fluttershy can process what's happening, her new bird friend calls a whole flock of birds of various species. Poor Fluttershy can only stand there, sheepish, as all these different forest birds show up to make friends with her.

Rarity and Applejack arrive to tell the other girls about the weird magical things that happened at the rock climbing wall. AJ wonders where Rainbow Dash is. Just then, Rainbow Dash zooms into the kitchen in a rainbow blur, slamming right into the wall. She tells the girls that she was running to get a safety harness, and the next thing she knew, she was halfway back to town. Then she lost her sudden super speed, and didn't get it back until she got closer to camp. Pinkie realizes that being at Camp Everfree has somehow given them all new magical powers.

While the girls are trying to figure out how all this is happening, Gloriosa shows up with towels and dry clothes for Applejack. She's astonished by the mess in the kitchens, but before she can start dealing with it, Sandalwood and Derpy show up with their own complaints: Sandalwood kicked his beanbag into the lake, and Derpy's out of arrows, having managed to break all of hers. An increasingly eye-twitchy Gloriosa reassures them she'll take care of it all in as cheerful a tone as she can manage. On top of everything else, Filthy Rich is back. Timber offers to handle it, but Gloriosa won't hear of it. Sunset hears a scream, and tells Fluttershy to stop screaming. Fluttershy tells her she didn't scream; Rarity says that nobody screamed. This confuses Sunset, but before she can think about it any further, Principal Celestia gets on the PA and tells the campers that they're making floating paper lanterns over by the picnic tables.

The girls decide they don't care about all this magic stuff right now, because they want to do the things they came to camp to do. Sunset thinks they really need to sit down and figure it all out, but says if the other girls would rather go out and have fun and forget about it for now, she'll let it go. Twilight, meanwhile, is even more hesitant and withdrawn than before...

While the girls are making lanterns, Twilight sits apart from the others. Spike asks her why she isn't with her friends, and Twilight confesses to Spike that she thinks Midnight Sparkle is the cause of all this new magic.

Later that night, Sunset wakes up to discover Twilight running away. Sunset chases Twilight into the woods (wow, good thing Sunset's a better runner than Twilight, huh?) to find out what's going on. Twilight tells Sunset that she and Spike are catching a cab back to the city. Sunset tells Twilight she can't just leave, and touches her arm...

...and suddenly, Sunset is able to read Twilight's mind and see her memories. Now aware that Twilight thinks Midnight Sparkle is the cause of all this, Sunset tries to tell her that there is no Midnight Sparkle. When they both realize Sunset now has new magic, Sunset is excited about it, but Twilight thinks it's just another sign of how being around her is bad for her friends--that she's "infected" Sunset now too. Sunset tries to tell her to stop looking at it as a bad thing. The girls have a heart-to-heart, and Sunset convinces Twilight not to leave, but compromises on Twilight's wish to not be around the others until they can figure this out.

With that all settled, they're ready to go back, when suddenly...AN AXE MURDERER IN THE WOODS!

Oh wait, it's just Timber Spruce, and he's just out chopping wood in the dead of night. Timber offers to walk them back to the camp, going on about Gaia Everfree in a spooky voice. Sunset says she knows it's just a spooky story he made up to scare the campers, but Timber insists it's true, and explains all the weird incidents lately. Then, as he takes Twilight's hand to walk her back, Sunset notices glittery gem dust spilling out of his pocket, and begins to suspect that Timber is running a classic Scooby-Doo fake monster plot to run everybody out of camp so his sister will be forced to sell the land to Filthy Rich. She holds off on sharing her suspicions with Twilight until she has more conclusive evidence, but makes no bones about her new opinion of Timber.

The next day, work on the dock is progressing, but Rainbow Dash and Applejack are working very slowly and inefficiently. Rainbow is afraid to move at more than a tiptoe creep because even normal walking speed triggers her magic, while Applejack is carefully and gingerly tap-tap-tapping nails into the wood because she's afraid properly pounding them will smash the whole dock. Applejack admits that maybe opting to forget all about the new magic business was probably not a good idea, then realizes she's out of nails. Pinkie throws her a box of nails, which terrifies the other girls because of what happened with the sprinkles. Rarity puts up a forcefield to prevent the inevitable catastrophe, knocking Rainbow and Fluttershy down in the process, but the nails fall harmlessly to the dock without exploding. Pinkie realizes the girls thought the nails would explode the way the sprinkles did, and shrugs the whole thing off with a "Glad that didn't happen, huh?"

Rarity apologizes to the girls for not being able to control her magic better. Rainbow reassures her than none of them really do. Sunset walks up and tells the girls that that's exactly why they need to sit down and talk about it. She tells the girls that she, too, now has new magic, and once she explains the nature, Pinkie decides to test it by grabbing Sunset's hand and pressing it to her forehead.

Pinkie's thoughts are...well...

...yyyeah.

Sunset: "That explains so much..."

:rainbowlaugh:

With a sexy musical number, Sunset convinces the girls to address the issue of their new magic and learn how to control it so they can go back to doing what they want to do without having a bunch of uncontrolled magical accidents wrecking their camp experience. By embracing the magic and working together with Musical Montage Power, the girls and their classmates manage to finish building the new dock.

While looking for Twilight to tell her how the girls embraced their magic and finished the dock, Sunset overhears part of an argument between Gloriosa and Timber which seems to support her "Timber's a Scooby villain" theory. She then runs smack into Flash, who's been looking for a chance to talk to her so he could thank her for the tough love. Flash notices that Sunset seems bothered by something, and asks her what's wrong. Sunset goes into this vague, Pinkie-ish rambling story that doesn't really explain the situation, completely confusing Flash. While he doesn't get what she's talking about, he does get that she's looking out for a friend, and he tells her how lucky her friend is. He then tells Sunset that he's noticed how much she's changed since they were dating, which Sunset is happy to hear. But just as Flash is about to say something very important--asking to start over as friends (yeah, "friends")--Sunset sees Timber go into the woods and gets distracted, completely tuning Flash out and unintentionally blowing him off to chase her quarry. Flash is once again left dejected and looking like a fool, and once again, Derpy comes along to give him a "there there" pat.

Poor guy.

Sunset follows Timber to the rock quarry, where she realizes he's definitely up to something, and immediately texts Twilight to tell her to meet up there.

Once Twilight shows up, the two girls and Spike go into the cave at the quarry. It's a very beautiful cave, and Sunset feels the Equestrian magic that fills the place. Spike blows the lid on the "Timber is the bad guy" theory, but before Sunset can explain her theory, Gloriosa shows up and reveals...

Dun dun dun!

SHE'S the one behind all the "Gaia Everfree" scares!

Sunset grabs Gloriosa's hand to read her mind, and learns the truth: Gloriosa is behind on the mortgage payments on the land, so Filthy Rich is trying to shut down Camp Everfree so he can develop the land into a luxury spa. While crying over her helplessness, Gloriosa noticed a trailing shimmer of magical light in the sky, and followed it to the crystal cave. There, she found a geode containing seven shining crystals. The crystals are full of magical power, and Gloriosa discovered that by taking them out of the geode and using them, she could perform all sorts of powerful magic. Taking five of the seven crystals from the geode, Gloriosa formed a plan to use the crystals' magic to make the last week of Camp Everfree the most memorable week ever, but Timber found out and tried to get her to stop, fearing for her well-being. With Gloriosa using magic all over the camp and making strange things happen, Timber decided to cover for her by telling the story of Gaia Everfree.

Sunset realizes that Timber wasn't trying to scare everyone away and force his sister to sell the camp, but was covering for her use of dangerous Equestrian magic. She backs Gloriosa into a corner by telling her that everything she's been doing to make the "best week ever" has been doing nothing but causing problems for everyone.

Sunset and Twilight plead with Gloriosa to stop using magic that she doesn't know how to control, because she could end up hurting everyone and destroying everything she cares about. Gloriosa, however, has snapped her twig, and decided that all she needs is more power. She takes the last two crystals from the geode. The power of all seven crystals transforms her into a nature monster eerily reminiscent of Timber's "Gaia Everfree". She traps Sunset and Twilight in the crystal cave.

Back at camp, Rarity's fashion show is in full swing, but the girls are wondering where their two missing friends have gotten to. The run-through is interrupted by the arrival of power-crazed Gloriosa Everfree, who announces that she's going to stop Filthy Rich from destroying Camp Everfree...by surrounding it in an impenetrable wall of brambles, trapping the last ever group of campers inside the camp forever.

The Rainbooms rally to use their new magic to fight back against Gloriosa Everfree's batshit crazy rampage. Unfortunately, even with their magic, they just can't make a dent in the constantly-regenerating thorns, especially with Gloriosa Everfree actively resisting their efforts.

Sunset, Twilight, and Spike escape from the cave with the help of Twilight's magic.

Back at the rapidly deteriorating situation in the camp, Rarity tries to reason with Gloriosa Everfree, but says exactly the wrong thing, enraging the insane Poison Ivy knockoff and setting off a fresh round of crazy.

When Sunset and Twilight encounter the wall of brambles, Sunset asks Twilight to break through it with her magic, but Twilight is hesitant to use too much magic, fearing she will lose herself to Midnight Sparkle. Sunset tells her she has o help their friends, and Twilight relents. She manages to open a wide enough hole in the brambles to let herself, Sunset, and Spike through. As Gloriosa Everfree's transformation completes, the entire camp is overrun with an increasingly thick forest of brambles that even Rarity's forcefield can't repel. Sunset tries to convince Twilight to use all her magic, embrace it, because it's the only way to save them. Twilight is terrified of becoming Midnight Sparkle again, but Sunset assures her that won't happen as long as her friends are there.

Twilight has a brief Battle Inside the Mind where she struggles with her own insecurity, fear, and self-doubt, but her friends' belief and faith in her are strong enough to overcome the shadow of Midnight Sparkle, and Twilight takes full control of her magic and conquers her fear.

With the magic of friendship, Twilight is able to pull apart the brambles and strip the seven crystals from Gloriosa Everfree, allowing them to seek out their true owners.

In case it took you this long to figure it out, the crystals Gloriosa has been using all this time are a brand new set of Elements of Harmony, and they belong to the Spectacular Seven.

The new Elements of Harmony transform the girls into new magical girl forms which are, frankly, horrifically gaudy:

Using their newfound power, the girls effortlessly destroy Gloriosa Everfree's wall of brambles and end the nightmare at Camp Everfree.

The girls land to the cheers of their classmates, and Spike is the first to notice the new lockets they're all wearing. Just like the Elements of Harmony in Equestria, these new Elements have transformed into jewelry that's tailored to each Bearer. Ironically, Sunset doesn't recognize them for what we all know they are.

As the campers start cleaning up after the magical disaster, Gloriosa apologizes to the principals, and says that after everything that's happened, maybe it's for the best that she's losing the camp to Filthy Rich. Celestia and Luna don't agree. The girls don't either. They quickly come up with the idea to hold a fundraiser ball to save Camp Everfree, and to have it in the Crystal Cave.

With the power of friendship and another musical montage, the Spectacular Seven and all their friends pull off the impossible: putting together a fundraiser ball and inviting lots of Everfree alumni in just a single day. The fundraiser goes flawlessly, and they raise enough money to save the camp. Filthy Rich storms off in a rage like a stereotypical villain.

After the ball, Timber pulls his bragging routine on Twilight again, but this time she's not falling for it, and banters playfully with him. They flirt and they almost kiss, but Gloriosa shows up to kill the moment just in the nick of time.

Sunset finally realizes that the crystals the girls have are the source of their new powers, and that maybe the seven of them were meant to have them all along.

As the night winds down, Sunset tells Twilight there's still one thing bothering her: just where did the magic that hit the Crystal Cave come from?

And the camera pans up to the starry sky...and then back down to Canterlot High School, and the shattered horse statue, where Equestrian magic is leaking through a crack in the portal...

(In the post-credits stinger, the girls finally manage to rebuild the dock--AGAIN--and Pinkie, celebrating its completion, inadvertently blows the whole damn thing up with an exploding confetti shower. :facehoof:)

Moth's Rambling Thoughts

SHORTS! Shorts everywhere! Everyone in shorts! Short short shorty shorts! SHOOOOOORTS! :heart::pinkiecrazy: We also got bare feetseses for the first time in the EG series here--but we knew that months ago, right? Yeah, it just needed to be said again. Also, is it me, or did every girl in the movie get a curviness upgrade this time around? I mean, we all noticed it with Pinkie Pie, but it just seems like the general curvy factor got bumped across the board.

Okay, now that that's out of the way...

The opening theme for this one is decent, but not great. As for the opening animation...

Gonna be honest. The first three movies had these epic, amazing opening animation boards. This one has...a bus driving through scenery.

Yeah, put Everfree down for worst opening sequence of the EG movies. I will give it one thing, though: it perfectly captured the feel of a long bus ride. I couldn't wait for it to just be OVER.

And Tara Strong STILL gets top billing over Rebecca Shoichet? SERIOUSLY?!

Anyway, not gonna let the terrible opening credits sequence ruin the rest of the movie for me.

One thing I find hilarious about the costume designs for this movie, and don't get me wrong, I like it, I just think it's more than a little silly: notice how even though everyone's wearing a Camp Everfree T-shirt (or polo, or whatever the hell Rarity did to her camp shirt), all the shirts are individually styled for the characters wearing them? Man wouldn't it be cool if that were a thing in real life!

Spike's squirrel-chasing obsession is a cute running gag.

Love the callback to Rainbow Rocks' "no offense/none taken" thing.

The way Everfree deals with Sci-Twi learning about Flash's crush on Princess Twilight is appropriate and fitting, if a bit awkward and understated. Quick explanation followed by an "Oh." and then it's done. Ditto with Sunset advising Flash to let go of the crush. Basically, this movie did something about a thousand fanfics have done, and did it very quickly and concisely. (Also, it definitely set up some rekindled SunFlash. Yay, something new for people to bitch about!)

(No matter how you feel about Flash, you have to admit that scene with him and Sunset by the dock is ADORABLE.)

Derpy makes the CUTEST face during Gloriosa's speech about the camp gift tradition. And her reaction to Rarity's campfire story fail is hilarious. Derpy gets a lot of cute and funny moments in general. And she even had a line!

I love Luna snarking about the sundial. It's a nice nod to two things in canon: Nightmare Moon and the way Celestia and Luna have been "humanized" on rare occasions in the show proper lately.

Timber Spruce's chin annoys me.

The animators didn't skimp on the funny background events and easter eggs. It'll take several viewings to catch them all.

Sunset is adorable in pretty much every scene she steals.

Holy CRAP that scene of Sunset kneeling next to Twilight's bunk is exploitable. You KNOW the animators did that on purpose.

Pinkie Pie gets excited over the STRANGEST things:

"YES! Adult supervision!!"

Pinkie's mouth covered in marshmallow is HELLA exploitable. The second I saw that I thought "...oh GOD WHY." I KNOW they did that on purpose.

:rainbowlaugh: Sunset kung-fuing out of bed! Oh god, that's awesome.

Rock-climbing Tavi is pretty cute.

Pinkie Pie with Gambit's powers. That's absolutely HORRIFYING.

I love how Sunset lampshades stuff throughout this movie. Especially the bit with Timber and the axe.

OH MY GOSH SUNSET SOLO SONG! Yes yes yes! Shame it's the only really good song in the movie. All the other songs honestly felt like Daniel Ingram was barely trying this time. :unsuresweetie: Twilight's "The Midnight In Me" song is okay, it's just...pretty standard.

Wow. Flash just keeps carrying the loser ball, even when he actually gets to shine a little.

Sci-Twi getting wings when she ponies up makes no flipping sense whatsoever. She shouldn't get an alicorn super mode since she's basically season 1 Twilight.

I absolutely, unequivocably DO NOT ship Timberlight. I'm open to shipping SunFlash now, though. Not that I ever wasn't...

(Although I'll be honest: as much as I don't really like Timber and don't ship this? Sci-Twi flirting is hellaciously cute. When she loosens up, she's even more adorable!)

The new magical girl forms of the Rainbooms are absolutely horrendously gaudy. I can't really get behind those designs.

I call bullshit on Sunset not immediately realizing the lockets (hell, the crystals THEMSELVES) are the Elements of Harmony. At least she more or less got there in the end, even if she never outright called them that.

Final Thoughts and Rampant Speculation:

I'm honestly not sure where to rank this one among the EG films. I'll need to see it a few more times to decide that. It is, however, a solid film, and I absolutely give it a 7/10. I'd originally given it an 8, but there are some things which just don't quite hold that rating.

The main thing about this one is that I honestly hope it's the setup for an Equestria Girls series as opposed to a fifth movie. It really feels like it should be the opening gambit for a new series. Maybe a Netflix original? That's what premiering it on Netflix seems to imply.

Also, there's a whole buttload of speculation fodder here. The magic leaking from Equestria, a brand new set of Elements of Harmony, the Crystal Cave...

Right now, my personal interpretation? And this is just me spitballing an analysis:

In season four of the show proper, the Tree of Harmony created a seed which, when unlocked, created a brand new Tree of Harmony, much larger than the parent and with completely new powers. The portal from Equestria to CHS is now located inside Tree Jr. The same portal that Midnight Sparkle cracked.

I think Tree Jr. felt the connection between the Spectacular Seven and the original Elements of Harmony and decided to "pollenate" the world on the other side of the portal. Since magic works differently in the human world, Tree Jr.'s magic ended up in a cave in this world's analogue to the Everfree Forest--notice how the Crystal Cave is essentially the same location as where the Tree of Harmony is in Equestria?--and instead of creating a new Tree of Harmony, it created the geode and a new set of seven Elements of Harmony, adding the Element of Empathy to the collection for Sunset Shimmer.

Has some pretty interesting implications all around, doesn't it?

Comments ( 82 )
Wanderer D
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SunFlash

Ugh. Please no. There's some bitching for ya. Flash is an awful character. I was glad that he got basically ignored the whole movie, and honestly Sunset friendzoned him so bad he didn't even approach her at the end in the ball.

One thing I sort of mentioned in your previous blog—except I didn't because it was all in "spoiler"—is that I wasn't too keen on the recycled music. I was expecting something original and we got the same music, different lyrics. I was especially annoyed by Twilight butchering Luna's song.

Other than that, I really liked the movie.

At this point, I think it is setup for a TV show. I mean, let's look at the ingredients.

*A group of highschool girls with magical powers and alternate forms
*A male love interest or two
*School setting
*Magic from a dark/alternate dimension (I know Equestria isn't dark but bear with me.)
*And the power of friendship as a reuccurring theme.

EQG basically has all the ingredients for a magical girl series. So if they don't do a Netflix show soon, i'd be very surprised. :/

4236626

Flash is an awful character. I was glad that he got basically ignored the whole movie, and honestly Sunset friendzoned him so bad he didn't even approach her at the end in the ball.

Ok seriously, Enough with the pointless, hypocritical Flash-hate already! We already have enough people hating him for stupid reasons.

First of all, she didn't "friendzone" him, she just got distracted, there's a difference. Also if she really didn't care for him at all she wouldn't of confided in him about her conflicted feelings towards Twilight getting closer to Timber, something she could've done with the rest of the humane six, but didn't. She still cares even if she's not outright saying it.

But anyway, as for the movie itself; Not bad, the TimberTwi scenes felt a little forced here and there. The songs were good though (I personally liked Gaia Everfree's song.)and the plot was ok. I give it a 7/10.

Unfortunately, the movie for me felt a bit lackluster and overrated. Definitely not as good as the last movie, though that might just be because the former had a bigger character introduced. Though I have to say, Hasbro sure is eager to keep these superpowers for the heroines.

Why, I bet you my little sister will be running around with an explosive Pinkie Pie doll in a week or two. (:rainbowlaugh:)

Wanderer D
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, Enough with the pointless, hypocritical Flash-hate already!

Um no. I don't hate Flash for the reasons listed there. That assumes that I think of Twilight as my waifu or some BS like that. I hate Flash as a character because from how he was introduced In Equestria to his BS relationship with Twilight and forward, he is a bad character that shouldn't have been there in the first place. He was in the first movie because "giggle! Highschool movies need loooove interests giggle!"

The character is pretty much a filler with no real development. That blog you quoted me, bitching about Timber, is also mistaken and also presents interpretations as fact. Timber, although he held clear attraction to human!Twilight makes more sense:
a) they have more in common
b) he's actually a rounded character that we see develop in the movie to some extent and who also...
c) has a real backstory (as in, is not a conglomerate of 'cool' traits), is integral to the movie in a significant way and...
d) is not shoved down our throats

So no. I can dislike the character for legitimate reasons. Whoever wrote that blog you quoted me above has no idea of the irony of calling others hypocrites, when he's assuming everyone dislikes a frankly dislikeable character only for the reasons he can sorta almost make a case for (but doesn't.)

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I can see why you're not a fan of Flash, but I'd argue that he shouldn't be sidelined just yet. The thing is, a good writer can do a lot with a bad concept or even a 'bland character'. So if they got a little more time to develop him, possibly in a show or a more prominent role in the next film, (still supporting, but I think you get what I'm saying.) he could be made interesting. It'd just take some more screen time, and a talented writer, he could become a great character.

But then, that's just my two cents.:twilightsmile: Like I said, I can definitely see why people don't like him, considering his lackluster appearances in past films.

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4236664 A good writer can do anything, for sure.

"Lampshading?"

And yes...SciTwi flirting. Like an old pro. She's not a shy wallflower at all...she's just another merciless heart-breaking succubus! (They all are. :raritycry:) Poor Flash!

And yes...Sunset friendzoning. She's a girl. It's what they do.

PLEASE don't let any new series be on Netflix! I can't afford it with everything else I'm paying for. Don't give them any ideas, Moth.

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First of all; that's my blog. And Judging by your comment, it's obvious that you only skimmed it.

The character is pretty much a filler with no real development. That blog you quoted me, bitching about Timber, is also mistaken and also presents interpretations as fact.

I didn't "present interpretations as facts", a good chunk of those facts are taken from the movies themselves, the only ones that are in head-canon territory are the Police Officer & little brother ideas, but of course it's ok when we take a foal that shares Derpy's mane and coat color and make her Derpy's daughter, or assume Scootaloo is an orpan since we never see her parents. But Flash? HE'S TOO BLAND, HE SUCKS!

As Bronies we’ve been nitpicking small aspects of several characters and giving them their own personalities since the show started, so to whine about Flash being bland while praising Timber for being "better" is not only lazy, but also hypocritical.

And at least I’m bringing up SOMETHING to work off of instead of giving up and acting there’s nothing that can be used to give him more personality.

d) is not shoved down our throats

Uh, you do realize that literally EVERY SCENE with them together had them flirting non-stop, right? At the very least there was a small form of buildup and they became attracted to eachother after sharing a conversation. I don’t hate TimberTwi but the fact that they started flirting before having shared ONE conversation is jarring to say the least. So in retrospect, the writers tried TOO HARD to make it believable to the point where it was too "in-your-face" at times.

And for the record, they tried with Flash too, just with small interactions throughout the movies that actually worked better.

Whoever wrote that blog you quoted me above has no idea of the irony of calling others hypocrites, when he's assuming everyone dislikes a frankly dislikeable character only for the reasons he can sorta almost make a case for (but doesn't.)

If that's the case, then answer this question: What exactly is wrong with just giving him a personality? Y'know, that thing we've been doing for every single side-character that's been introduced??

Dun dun dun!

You're going to be hearing that a LOT in Yo-kai Watch 2 and from the movie. In the japanese version, Ubaune had a tendency for saying that, and I'm pretty sure her english dubbed version will do the same...

As for the Legend of Everfree, I agree with your decisions entirely. It did have a number of flaws, and compared to Rainbow Rocks and Friendship Games, I don't really think it's that's strong of a sequel...

There is one thing you didn't mention. Our dear bacon-haired goddess Sunset looked absolutely gorgeous at the end of the movie in that dress and hair style, not the magical transformation one, but the fund-raiser/ball.

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4236696 Well, your blog assumes that the only reasons anyone could possibly dislike Eff Sentry are because people are hypocrites and can't obviously see what you see in him. It completely disregards actual, non-Twilight-centric reasons for that dislike.

Uh, you do realize that literally EVERY SCENE with them together had them flirting non-stop, right?

And yet it's more natural and feels more fluid thanks to Timber being an actual character instead of a cardboard-Greaser-wannabe. Also, you seem to be under the impression that attraction only works in one way, which surprise! It doesn't.

But here's the thing... you're making this all about Twilight's attraction to a guy. I'm disliking Sentry because he's a bad character it has nothing to do with whether he likes Twilight, Sunset or Bulk Biceps. I don't give a flying F about who they like. I'm talking about the characters, not their love interests.

And that is why that blog is bs to this conversation: because my comment is not about shipping, it's about lousy characters.

Sunset is adorable in pretty much every scene she steals.

Oh, does she EVER! I don't know what scene she was the most adorable in; when she was with Sci-Twi, the sleepy karate, after reaction to Pinkie's mind or trying to levitate her sunscreen. But to me... this movie gets a 6 out of 10.
By the way, didn't we get to see feet in Rainbow Rocks? Or am I mistaken?

I ship both Sunflash and Timberlight, though I actually ship the latter more than the former.

As for the opening song, I personally think it's the second best behind Friendship Games.

And for the bus ride, I personally found it hilarious.

As for where I'd put the movie, I honestly think it's the best of the EQG movies so far, and the only one that I can give a perfect 10/10 to (EQG gets a 7, Rainbow Rocks gets an 8, and Friendship Games gets a 9.6).

And the soundtrack is absolutely amazing, with my personal favorite from it being Stand for Everfree.

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Well, your blog assumes that the only reasons anyone could possibly dislike Eff Sentry are because people are hypocrites and can't obviously see what you see in him. It completely disregards actual, non-Twilight-centric reasons for that dislike.

My blog only references the shipping aspect TWICE, so you either skimmed it and decided you automatically knew where it was going, or just read what you wanted to read.

And yet it's more natural and feels more fluid thanks to Timber being an actual character instead of a cardboard-Greaser-wannabe. Also, you seem to be under the impression that attraction only works in one way, which surprise! It doesn't.

I never said that it does, I simply brought up the fact that the two automatically falling for each other felt rushed. When Twi & Flash met it took more than just one look, they actually shared dialogue instead of flirting right off the bat.

And unless you have any genuine reasons as to why the ideas I brought up don't work, I suggest you stop acting like they don't exist just because they're speculations.

I don't give a flying F about who they like. I'm talking about the characters, not their love interests.

And that is why that blog is bs to this conversation: because my comment is not about shipping, it's about lousy characters.

And my comment & blog are about giving him character, not acting like he's just a blank slate that only deserves to be treated like the fandom's cancer.

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4236745 Giving him character is fine. But I'm not talking about your fanfic. I'm talking about canonical Sentry. And he has no character.

You didn't like the villain song? Cause I liked the villain song. I'd say this movie is like an 8/10, but maybe I'm too forgiving. Rainbow Rocks still remains as the best EQG movie.

yup, never going to beat rainbow rocks music. i still sing that stuff.

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He may not be a very well-rounded character but he DOES have a few traits that can be used to make him interesting, and NO I'm not talking fanfic-wise. And again, most of these are taken from the movies.

And before you say that that's not enough, let me remind you:

Took Derpy's animation error and her saying "muffins" and made her a clutz who's obsessed over the food.

We've made Lyra a human-obsessed conspiracy theorist based on how she sits.

We took a DJ with a two-second cameo and made her a party animal who's dating that one mare from the Gala episode.

We made Berry Punch an alcoholic based on her drinking directly from a punch bowl.

We made Scootaloo an orphan simply because we don't see her parents and Rainbow Dash a lesbian with a cider addiction.

If we've made all this and more as a fandom, then giving one character some interesting personality traits based on the info in the link above and more IS. NOT. IMPOSSIBLE. Saying it is and that he's a lost cause isn't a fact, it's being LAZY. A word that I believe you, a Site Moderator, DO NOT want to be associated with.

Further proof to my theory that how you think about the music of these movies reflects your opinion of the movie.

I absolutely love it. For me, it's on par if not better than Rainbow Rocks.

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. A word that I believe you, a Site Moderator, DO NOT want to associated with.

Wow, I was about to let you go without shredding your half-ass arguments anymore since I figured I could live with you sticking to your guns and liking a lousy character, but you had to go and get all holier-than-thou on me and accuse me of being "lazy" for giving you legitimate reasons as to why Sentry is a waste of a character canonically.

Let me break it down to you.

Canon, you see, is not something you as an individual with a blog can change, just because you want to argue that Sentry was different. He wasn't.

In the first movie, Sentry was an additional, forced character that encompassed what passed for 'cool' traits. That would have been okay if he had NO LINES. Because then people could make his personality up, even if he and Twilight exchanged glances. Flash Sentry was a cardboard character that the creators tried way too hard to make interesting, and failed. Because the dude is a non-entity whose 'job' in the movie could have been filled by Twilight finding the cutouts.

In the second movie, he appears, smiles and is thrown to the side. He's so unimportant that other than acknowledging that the dude was born, he becomes what he's supposed to be: a background character to be kicked out of a singing competition. Notice how neither Sunset nor Twilight had time for him at all after things started going on. There was no concern for him. He was just an example of mind controlled influence.

In the third movie, he's basically "Hi Twilight!" and... gone. And no one gives a fuck. Notice how the movie flowed perfectly without his presence at all.

In this last movie... he's only relevant, and I say that reluctantly, because not-his-Twilight likes someone with more depth. He then proceeds to try and bounce back within a day to his old flame, who honestly, only dated him originally because he happened to be popular.

Bottom line is, it's not "lazy" to say that canonical Flash Sentry is a lousy, badly-developed, half-ass effort character that was put there and left when he should have been removed at best, or delegated to background appearances. at worst. It's informed.

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So after reading your comments, something occurred to me. Your argument is founded on the fact that you both think that Flash Sentry is supposed to be a full, developed character, when the creators of the show could have possibly made him just to be nothing more than another background character with a few extra lines. Maybe, because of those extra lines, we're seeing him as a major character, and when we don't get any kind of character building, we think he's just not that good of a character. I mean, we've seen the creators of the show make so many other characters that came out great, right? Why would they make Flash such an underwhelming character? If we're looking at Flash in the wrong light, we'd see him as a bad character, which is what the studio may not intending for us to see him as. And furthermore, since a lot of our community already paints Flash as a bad character, we're just simply buying into what everyone else is saying about him without taking a little time to look deeper into his character.

If you think about it, Flash might not be anything more than a prominent background character. Just think for a moment: what does he do exactly in each movie as a major character? Not much at all, right? But if you think of him as a background character, he's doing a lot and he contributes to the plot; he doesn't really need a ton of character development like Sunset Shimmer does.


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If we've made all this and more as a fandom, then giving one character some interesting personality traits based on the info in the link above and more IS. NOT. IMPOSSIBLE. Saying it is and that he's a lost cause isn't a fact, it's being LAZY. A word that I believe you, a Site Moderator, DO NOT want to be associated with.

While what you said above the quote is true, I think that so many people are already against Flash that coming to a consensus on his backstory based off of his already existing traits (which I think aren't too great, btw) won't be easy, and I think that it'd never happen unless he got some serious time in the show or the movies.

Furthermore, insulting someone just because they disagree with your argument is no way to have a friendly discussion.

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Wow, I was about to let you go without shredding your half-ass arguments anymore since I figured I could live with you sticking to your guns and liking a lousy character, but you had to go and get all holier-than-thou on me and accuse me of being "lazy" for giving you legitimate reasons as to why Sentry is a waste of a character canonically.

"Half-assed"? If they were so half-assed then you would've at least come up with a good counter as to why the facts I brought up wouldn't work for giving him character instead of pretending they don't exist. And again, I'm trying to give him some depth using points from the movies, while all you're doing is defaulting to the usual "he's a bland cardboard cutout",

In the first movie, Sentry was an additional, forced character that encompassed what passed for 'cool' traits. That would have been okay if he had NO LINES. Because then people could make his personality up,

We've done more with less, or have you forgotten the Dr. Who pony, Derpy's "daughter", the Cloud Twins, Snowflake, etc.

He's so unimportant that other than acknowledging that the dude was born, he becomes what he's supposed to be: a background character to be kicked out of a singing competition. Notice how neither Sunset nor Twilight had time for him at all after things started going on. There was no concern for him. He was just an example of mind controlled influence.

The same argument can be made for Luna, Celestia, Photo Finish, Snips, Snails, Trixie... and THE ENTIRE SCHOOL.

In the third movie, he's basically "Hi Twilight!" and... gone. And no one gives a fuck. Notice how the movie flowed perfectly without his presence at all.

Ah, the old "he could be removed and nothing wound change argument", the same argument that can be held up to Trixie in the second movie since any of the Dazzlings could've pulled the leaver and trapped the humane seven, the Shadowbolts in the third movie since for all their buildup they barely interact with their "rivals", and Filthy Rich in the fourth since the flashback scene was all he needed and his appearance in an earlier scene was kind of pointless in the grand scheme of things since he had already given them time to pay him off.

In this last movie... he's only relevant, and I say that reluctantly, because not-his-Twilight likes someone with more depth.

And that;s where the hypocrisy comes from. Again, someone she looked at ONCE and immediately started flirting with, sound familiar?

He then proceeds to try and bounce back within a day to his old flame, who honestly, only dated him originally because he happened to be popular.

She at the very least felt guilty about what she did. And again, if Sunset didn’t like him she wouldn’t have gone out of her way to comfort him, she just got distracted, there’s a difference.

Bottom line is, it's not "lazy" to say that canonical Flash Sentry is a lousy, badly-developed, half-ass effort character that was put there and left when he should have been removed at best, or delegated to background appearances. It's informed.

Informed? It's biased at best, mainly because the same argument can be made for any other character, tell me Marble Pie's character outside of being "Earth Pony Fluttershy", show me Bulk Biceps attitude outside of "muscular dunce", tell me Lightning Dust's personality outside of "more arrogant Rainbow Dash", tell me what characteristics Diamond Tiara had outside of "school bully", hell they manged to "fix" HER, so how is it impossible to do the same for Flash?

The point that Flash-hate is pointless and hypocritical, all the everyone does is complain about how "bland" and "cliché" he is and do absolutely nothing to try and fix the problem or change that.

Filthy Rich storms off in a rage

Honestly, he looked pretty calm to me, both times I watched that scene. Also, what the writers did with Filthy Rich is my big sore point with the movie. I'm waiting on the commentary to find out why they did that, and if the answer turns out to be essentially "because we can", well... I. Will. Be. Pissed.

By the way, MythrilMoth, what would be your reaction if the writers say that they wrote human Filthy Rich like that because they think it's an accurate reflection of pony Filthy Rich's actual character? (That is, whenever pony Filthy Rich is being decent he's just putting up a front.)

4236814 While I can't completely argue with this, I still like to see more in a character than what given to me at face value. I don't mind him being a BG/side-character, but simply dismissing him as a cliche is nothing short of lazy. Cliche does not define one's entire personality, heck the mane six are all walking cliches when you think about it.

And I don't intend to insult him, but constantly going back to the "he's bland" argument isn't exactly contributing anything aside form more hate to the character.

One thing you missed, Moth. In a background scene we can see Vinyl Scratch talking to Fluttershy, proving that human Vinyl at least isn't a mute like so many people think (pony Vinyl's still up for interpretation though).

The main thing about this one is that I honestly hope it's the setup for an Equestria Girls series as opposed to a fifth movie. It really feels like it should be the opening gambit for a new series. Maybe a Netflix original? That's what premiering it on Netflix seems to imply.

I hope so too, they had a chance to strike while the iron was hot after "Rainbow Rocks" and then again after "Friendship Games", but now they've reallly teased us with the set-up for what could be a series. The human seven investigating Equestrian magic and tracking it down, possibly even battling threats powered by it like Gaia Everfree and The Sirens. Heck, The Sirens or Principal Cinch are open to make a return appearance in a series, considering we still don't know what happened to them after they disappeared off-screen.

and they belong to the Spectacular Seven.

And the Spectacular Seven belong to me. Sorry, Moth, gotta sue you for copyright.

In all seriousness, this movie was pretty good. Going in, I was honestly afraid they were going to shove Sunset back into a supporting role and let Twilight hog the spotlight again, but it was a good balance. While Gloriosa annoyed the hell out of me, she made a decent villain in terms of motives. Can't say the same for Timber. If he didn't actually want the camp to shut down, why was he so against the camp gift tradition? And Filthy Rich was, in hindsight, really not necessary and only served a purpose to give a face to the idea of Camp Everfree shutting down because of low budgets.

At this rate, I don't think anything will top RR, in terms of soundtrack or excitement, bar the finale for the Friendship Games. I do hope there'll be a fifth movie or just a series at this point. It'll give me something to leech ideas from inspire me.

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The same argument can be made for Luna, Celestia, Photo Finish, Snips, Snails, Trixie... and THE ENTIRE SCHOOL.

We've done more with less, or have you forgotten the Dr. Who pony, Derpy's "daughter", the Cloud Twins, Snowflake, etc.

Okay. Look. I'm going to spell it out for you, because you're not getting it: they are not the point of this discussion. They never were. Trixie was not a central character to the story. Snips and Snails had more to do with the first movie than Sentry. And as for the rest... they are
b-a-c-k-g-r-o-u-n-d characters. Are you dense?

Do you not understand the difference? They are not forced to be relevant like Flash Sentry was. Flash Sentry did Spike's job in that movie. And he did it badly, because Spike was already there.

And that;s where the hypocrisy comes from. Again, someone she looked at ONCE and immediately started flirting with, sound familiar?

You're... just... simply not getting it, do you? Initial attraction has nothing to do with this. It's an excuse to get them to talk. They got interested in each other over a conversation about rocks. There's no hypocrisy there, you're just butthurt that they didn't make your boy Sentry into non-Equestrian Twilight's beau.

Informed? It's biased at best, mainly because the same argument can be made for any other character, tell me Marble Pie's character outside of being "Earth Pony Fluttershy", tell me Lightning Dust's personality outside of "more arrogant Rainbow Dash", tell me what characteristics Diamond Tiara had outside of "school bully", hell they manged to "fix" HER, so how is it impossible to do the same for Flash?

Just how old are you? 5? Because you're completely ignoring the actual argument in favor of bitching. Canon-wise your opinion of what they could be doesn't matter. Canonically Lightning Dust is nothing but a loyal-less, more arrogant Rainbow Dash. Canonically they made an effort to change DT. It had nothing to do with what we wanted them to be.

And furthermore: it doesn't change the fact that Sentry is a crap character only made passable by competent fanfiction writers saving his sorry ass from being lost in who-gives-a-fuck-land.

The point that Flash-hate is pointless and hypocritical, all the everyone does is complain about how "bland" and "cliché" he is and do absolutely nothing to try and fix the problem or change that.

That's because he IS bland and cliche and it's not up to the fandom (outside of fan-creations) to fix him. Is this too much to understand? Or do I need to get some doodles and play-dough to get through?

I hope that this movie didn't discourage you from shipping Flashlight, even if you are open to SunFlash now. I agree that I don't enjoy Timber too much and wish Flash was treated better, but I still overall enjoy the movie.

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The first 11 seconds are what I want to show. Couldn't find a shorter clip, but this scene puts it perfectly:

I could ramble on about this movie (considering I liked it more than Friendship Games) but I'll try to contain myself.

First of all, I'm not against TimberLight but unless he shows up in the next movie I'm not convinced... Surprisingly I'm quite fine with SunFlash (or is it FlashSet I have no idea) cause they at least have history (I want details DHX!).

I have to disagree with Moth though, "The Midnight in Me" was my favorite song, although Gloriosa's is good too. It really captures that Jekyll and Hyde reference.

Speaking of Midnight, I'm kinda sad she's gone...I mean I love when Tara actually gets to voice evil characters. Oh well...but that Battle of Wills sequence was cool.

But seriously...

NO ONE GOT A POWER RANGERS REFERENCE!? I mean...yeah I liked those new looks.

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I've played enough Ace Attorney to know that look you made Sunset.

Overall I really liked this movie and I really do find it better than the last one. I'd give it a 8/10 since I'd give RR an 8.5.

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Yep, that's my waifu right there!

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Okay. Look. I'm going to spell it out for you, because you're not getting it: they are not the point of this discussion. They never were. Trixie was not a central character to the story. Snips and Snails had more to do with the first movie than Sentry. And as for the rest... they are

b-a-c-k-g-r-o-u-n-d characters. Are you dense?

No, I just try to character for more than what they are, not just accept the simple solution at face-value.

There's no hypocrisy there, you're just butthurt that they didn't make your boy Sentry into non-Equestrian Twilight's beau.

I don't hate some biased hatred against TimberTwi, I just think the pairing took off a little too fast. I never said anything about them "ruining my ship" so stop putting words in my mouth to make yourself right.

It had nothing to do with what we wanted them to be.

Intriguing, tell me, Who was it that made the "Dr. Who" pony a thing? And did the "Derpy is a clutz who loves muffins" characterization come before or after the 100th episode? And did the producers make that a thing? Oh wait, it was us Bronies! Sure, it may fall under head-canon territory like you said, but if there's one thing that the 100th episode taught us, it's that that kind of stuff DOES matter to them.

That's because he IS bland and cliche and it's not up to the fandom (outside of fan-creations) to fix him. Is this too much to understand? Or do I need to get some doodles and play-dough to get through?

Being a condescending doesn't help get you point across. And last I checked cliche does not define one's entire personality, heck the mane six are all walking cliches when you think about it. And constantly going back to the "he's bland" argument isn't exactly contributing anything aside form more hate to the character. And that's the problem, people like you can't stand to see past you're judgement of him, and I'll say it again, we give him trait by looking through ALL scenarios and possibilities, not just the ones we WANT to.

A character is only completely bland if we accept that as the only option, but if we open our mind to even the smallest of possibilities, no matter HOW dim they may seem, we can truly make something from it. Case in point, another side-character; Maud.

And THAT, is why nothing can convince me to give up on Flash Sentry as a character.

Bottom line: Flash DOES have personality that can be used, and he DOES have a few character traits and flaws, and those CAN be used to give more depth, even if it's only a little, the little can go a long way. I still like Flash Sentry as much a I like MLP in general and I don't care what anyone says. Because I know within the groups that I've established that there are more people like me willing to give this character a chance. If you still have a problem with that, well then too bad, that's my interest and I'm sticking to it.

Ok, first off, let me just say that, IMO, SunLight will ALWAYS be the flagship of the Equestria Girls pairing fleet. FlashLight has sailed and it went the way of the Titanic. TimberLight will most likely end up the same way. So climb aboard the MLP SunLight and, in the words of Johnny Depp, "Bring me that horizon!"

Second, I am considering doing a crossover between Equestria Girls and the Marvel Cinematic Universe, where Peter Parker, aka Spider-Man, is transferred to Canterlot High by Tony Stark after the events of Civil War to investigate the strange events that have occurred there. The story would include all parts of the MCU, namely movies, TV series, Netflix series, etc. It would take place after Legend of Everfree.

OH MY GOSH SUNSET SOLO SONG! Yes yes yes! Shame it's the only really good song in the movie. All the other songs honestly felt like Daniel Ingram was barely trying this time.

Are you serious right now? Mate, Gloriosa's villain song was amazing too, didn't you hear those instrumentals? (now that I think about it, the villain songs in MLP always sound like they were plucked straight out of a Disney film)

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4236912 Alright.

Let's just finish this argument with no long comments, no questions of laziness or mental capacity:

The bottom line is this:

What you want Flash Sentry to be?

That's not what he actually is. Not matter how much you want him to be that.

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4236917 Is it bad that I skipped over all of the songs? haha

4236927 Yes.

Go listen to them.

Like, right now.

This moment.

Really, go.

Now.

Why are you even still reading this comment?

Seriously, there's nothing left for me to put.

Wow, you're still reading.

You really think this is leading up to something, don't you?

Well it's not.

Just go listen to the songs.

If you haven't already, that is.

...

NOW!

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Maybe so... we know little about him because we only see small bits of his character, and while it's mostly head-canons and speculation, we can still try to "look underneath the underneath", even the blankest of canvases can be made into something magnificent if we take the time to do so.

And even if the writers didn't do much for him, that doesn't make him a lost cause that no good can come out of.

Look at it this way; many people outright hated the idea of bringing back MLP because of G3....

...and now look at what MLP has become.

It's not what I want him to be, it's what he can be.

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ALPHA. OUT.

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I'm pretty sure SunLight went the way of the Lusitania.

also the lockets they get after the crystals transform, are a call back to the rainbow of light that the human character in the previous gens used, just spread out across the amazing 7

Every time I watch that little interaction between Gloriosa and Filthy at the start of the movie, I think my kettle's boiling. Goddamnit I don't even have a whistling kettle anymore!

Pinkie's definitely living in some kind of Pyro world.

Yeah. Imma call those the Slivers of Harmony.

And Stand For Everfree. Oh my god that song. Another fantastic villain song! I came.

4236721 We have never seen completely bare feet until this movie. In Rainbow Rocks we got the girls in house slippers and we got Rarity in open-toe boots.

4236833 Honestly, the whole Filthy Rich thing is another Fisher Biskit, so I'm not even bothered. I'm used to DHX's writers doing random flip-flops like this because that's what the LPS writers did to Fisher Biskit. I'm at the point where I don't care anymore.

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If he didn't actually want the camp to shut down, why was he so against the camp gift tradition?

I think it had less to do with the camp shutting down and more to do with Gloriosa's mental state. Notice how throughout the movie he was trying to keep Gloriosa from adding more stuff to her "I've got this!" pile. He was worried that his sister was cracking (good call on his part) and that she'd do something potentially lethally insane with that magic she was playing with (and, once again, he was right, and it pains me to admit that.)

4236880 Honestly, I'm only a FlashLight shipper when it suits narrative purposes. If I'd started Persona EG even one year later, I'm not sure that would even be the main ship. In terms of Flash Sentry shipping, FlashLight is actually third down my list after Fluttershy and Sunset, and at this point just one rung above Derpy.

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NO ONE GOT A POWER RANGERS REFERENCE!? I mean...yeah I liked those new looks.

Uhh...you know it wasn't a Power Rangers reference at all, right? Everything about the girls powering up was drawn from magical girl anime.

4236917 It was alright, but it didn't compare to "Unleash the Magic". It felt very rote.

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4236936 Christ, get a room, the both of you. You're giving me a headache. :facehoof:

4237063 Eh, I doubt that's intentional. I'm pretty sure they're just the Elements of Harmony.

4237103 Still, accusing Daniel Ingram of not trying is kinda harsh.

I was going to comment on the blog, but I got distracted by the argument between D and Alpha. Seriously, it was getting to the point where I thought I'd have to break out the popcorn, start pointing at them and laugh like this: "Hoho-OH! Hohoho! *eats popcorn*"

Anyway, I liked the movie too. Now the girls have magic superpowers...I hope pony Applejack doesn't find out that she can get super strength. Either that, or Big Mac decided to hold down his pride for his own strength if she ever gets it.

4237113 It's not the first time. Not every composer/arranger hits it out of the park every single time, and the music in Everfree is largely bland to me. It's one of those your mileage may vary things.

4237103 Yeah, okay. In the end everyone has their own personal ships and I can accept yours, especially since you are so good at putting them into detail. I just like the way you portray Flashlight in your stories, since you are one of my favorite authors and that is one of my favorite ships. It's just a good combo for me.

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I'm at the point where I don't care anymore.

I suppose that you'll depict a character in a manner that seems to fit, and if someone objects, you'll point out the way canon has flip-flopped on that?

If I'd started Persona EG even one year later, I'm not sure that would even be the main ship.

And now I find myself wondering what would. Then again, I've wondered from time to time how it would be different in general if you were starting it now. (Just idle thoughts on my part.)

Now, one thing I've been wondering for the past couple of months is if you'd have any use for Gloriosa or Timber in Sunset Nanodrive. I also wonder how you might alter that Knight Rider crossover idea given the powers the Mane Cast have at the end. (Those aren't questions I'm asking, just things I've been musing about.)

Sunset Shimmer is the Sailor Moon of MLP. Not because she is dumb or goofy, but because she is so charismatic that she pulls all the attention onto herself and pushes everyone else to the background.

When they got the lockets at the end I just said, "well, they just went full Magical Girl." All they need is a villain sending out minions of the week to take control of the Canterlot portal while out heroines stop them. I suppose they also need a cute animal mascot too, unless you count Spike.

I like how they handled the powers though. Instead of a generic Pony up form armed with a Friendship unibeam cannon, they got unique abilities of their own. Frankly, I could see the next movie being Superhero themed, all things considered. And not just because DC is trying to attract the same target demographic with it's own heroine themed stuff.

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