Jul
2nd
2016
Spoke too soon · 10:44pm Jul 2nd, 2016
Apparently, I spoke far too soon. I left my new computer on last night to update itself to Windows 10, and this morning when I woke up, it was no longer functional. The case lights will come on, but none of the fans will, the motherboard lights indicate no errors, but nothing happens, and it won't even POST (that is to say, go to the BIOS stuff). I've tried just about everything I can think of, even pulling out the battery, but to no avail. I may end up having to RMA the motherboard.
I hate new electronics gremlins.
Building a new computer always entails nonsense like this.
I had to seduce my two new computers into working when I assembled them a few months ago.
The first one absolutely refused to POST until I disassembled it and reassembled it entirely.
The second one hated my GPU so much that I hsd to use the onboard graphics until I tweaked the bios and installed Windows.
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The worst of it is, it often takes a while to differentiate between you, yourself, being an idiot and the technology being broken.
It is very frustrating when you've spent many hours troubleshooting something which you had no possibility of fixing, but you feel dumb if you blame the thing for being broken when it was actually you who was defective.
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That's why I hate it so much. With new hardware, in theory, any problem is on me. And then you find out by swapping parts one by one that it's actually X which was bad to start with and the last 8 hours of doubting yourself was for nought.
The only general thing I can say to try is re-seating everything. Other than that, I wish you good luck nailing down what the issue is.
did you um...
build it yourself?
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Yeah, he might have to do everything all over again.
I also reckon his huge dragon paws must be having a hard time with all those fiddly little components.
Godfuckingdamnit. You'd expect this shit in the 1990's and 2000s, when assembling a PC was somewhat difficult.
I can't believe it's still happening. I thought I only had problems with my rebuild projects because I am a doofus without a Computer Engineering degree.
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Of course! Gotta know what goes into the guts of your machine, right?
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I made the mistake of putting on my CPU fan first, which meant that I had to work around it throughout the rest of motherboard assembly.
If I end up having to return this (and I am probably going to have to do so at this point), I think next time, I'm going to plug everything into the motherboard BEFORE I put it into the box.
Nothing was worse than having to try and reach in between the GPU and the CPU fan today to try and pull out a little battery the size of a quarter to reset the CMOS, except for the part where I then had to put it back in again.
And to be fair, my last computer (circa 2009) went together without a hitch (and in much less time than this one). I really don't know why.
Though not having a defective motherboard helps.
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I DID THE SAME GODDAMN THING WITH MY FIRST REBUILD A FEW MONTHS AGO OMFG (SCREAMING)
Some computer engineers told me to assemble the motherboard's components and run them OUTSIDE of the case before putting it in the case. So I did that. I then did that with the second computer.
Seems like you had the same idea. It's a good one.
My CPU fans are fucking huge, too. They are about 120mm wide.
Also, can anyone explain to me why component manufacturers insist on making motherboards smaller every year?
Yet GPUs and other components increase in size.
I've heard of windows 10 doing this to some computers.
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Yea, it's way easier to assemble most of it outside the case. Just make sure it's a safe non-static and clean surface, for obvious reasons.
Did you contact Jewel as I suggested you should definitely do? :V
You might still wish to do that. He's jazzepi at gmail.
Also if the fans aren't coming on that suggests a power supply issue (to me, but Jewel knows much better than I do).
I've had some issues with this when upgrading. I think I "fixed" it by just powering on/off, disconnecting from power source and holding power-button, etc etc, a bunch of times.
Swap your RAM first, if you haven't already done that.
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I have, it didn't help. The thing has indicator lights for failure to boot due to X, Y, and Z anyway, and none of them are lighting up, but it ain't booting.
I actually know that the RAM one works because I tried booting it yesterday without memory and it complained at me about it.
Try going back to whichever OS you installed before the upgrade started?
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It won't POST even with nothing connected to it other than what is necessary for a POST (including no SATA drives). It wouldn't even do diagnostic beeping, and I couldn't flash the BIOS, even with its built-in tool for doing just that. It just sat there like a lump. I ended up RMAing it with Newegg after spending all day going through and ruling stuff out..
Took me 18 hours to futz around with the darned thing, but only 40 minutes or so to completely disassemble it and put it back in its box for shipping. Hopefully, now that I know what I'm doing, I'll be able to install the replacement motherboard much faster than I did this one, as I'll know what I'm doing this time and will put everything on in the right order instead of letting the fan get an AoO every time I reach into my case to put in another connector in.
I'm probably going to wipe the SSD I tried installing Windows 10 on and just installing it straight up from an ISO loaded on a USB flash drive this time. I've never actually formatted a drive before, but there's no time like the present to learn, right?
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The real problem isn't being tall, it's having giant meathooks D:
Though I do wonder if they actually do selectively employ small people in assembling some things, given where they put the screws.
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You're a dragon, you're supposed to have meathooks for hands.
And Fire breath, and horns.
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Screw that noise. I want a full box warranty and technicians that have to fix my shit on command.
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Sounds terrible. I've been building my own machines since 2004 or thereabouts and haven't looked back.
It is truly satisfying to use a computer you've assembled yourself. It has more character than a retail machine.
Sometimes too much character, as TD has found.
4064682 ohhhh. See, that's what I get for speed reading.
Yeah, I'd have returned the board too. On rebuild, try to power it on after each component is added. If another component is having an issue, it'll be easier to identify.
4063729 I always tell people it isn't worth the trouble to build your own computer, because eventually something will not work and it will take a week to fix it.
I always build my own computer anyway.
Something always goes wrong and it takes a week to fix it.
Windows 10 breaks computers frequently, so it might not be your fault. Also, did you install a Linux boot loader? Windows 10 has special code that cooperates with the BIOS to make the Linux boot code unbootable. It's called a security feature. The idea is that a boot loader needs cryptographic authorization, to prevent a virus from rewriting your boot loader. Linux boot loaders by default don't have authorization.
4065132 nah I'm cool with that, I built my own. I just know, however how many things can go wrong if you don't triple check everything from compatibility to enough power.
4065103 I don't want character. I want reliability and transference of responsibility.
4064878 Don't blame me, I didn't write the movie. If I had, I'd have gone with "too damn big" as opposed to tall.
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I split the difference. I pick the parts and pay someone to assemble it. That way, I get what I want and someone with experience getting computers running takes care of the rest.
4065837 I just busy ASUS :D
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First computer: found out that my graphics card was 1/4th of an inch too long for my case. Had to get a new case.
Second computer: bad motherboard.
Gotta love technology.
I did not, I'm afraid. Maybe I should consider the possibility of dual booting, but I haven't really bothered thinking about Linux much.