Well, well... · 11:49am Jun 1st, 2016
...What can I really say? Well, should probably start by saying that this image, apparently, is part of the Equestria Girls 'tell-all' book, giving us a bit of insight into our 'beloved' protagonists. And this is what they think about those that don't instantly grovel to them with apologies about what horrible people they are.
Sunset's entry is the most telling, because it looks like she acknowledges that it was solely because of the sirens that she wasn't hated by the entire school anymore, but still declares 'EVERYTHING!' about them to be bad. Speaks volumes about exactly how much she learned since the Fall Formal, doesn't it? I notice that Applejack and Fluttershy's comments apply handily to Sunset around that time as well.
If this is official, if it's not just speculative or really convincing fan-art, I have no more sympathy for the Rainbooms whatsoever. If this is how they really act when not in a spotlight, if this is what all their talk of the magic of friendship amounts to; still slinging hate and bile at someone that did no lasting harm and has long ceased to bother them in any way, then I direly hope that they get some kind of canon karma for it. Maybe the lot of them will find themselves caught in a huge misunderstanding that, while maybe not even their fault, leaves all of them ostracized worse than Sunset was after the Anon-A-Miss incident, just long enough to make them realize what it feels like to be kicked while you're down.
But let's face it; the Rainbooms are always in the right because they're the big, important heroes and it's never mean-spirited or unfriendly to dedicate two pages to hating someone.
EDIT: Nevermind, looks like this was all pretty much garbage! What do you get when Hasbro, presumably, wants to wring a few more pennies out of a franchise they can market to teenage girls and aren't opposed to chopping up the characters a bit? Find out in the EQG Tell-All book!
These kind of publications tend to dumb it down. If there really came a movie telling us the dazzlings further story, I think things would be different. But since the movie is all there is, this book "has" to keep the mood as it was in the end of the film. And it kind of makes sense. If you were to ask them straight after the big show-down, this is probably the answers you get. What we look at is a frozen moment. That doesn't excuse anything, but it at least explains why it looks this way. And I agree, it's pretty awful. I hereby declare this non-canon.
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There's a whole image of love dedicated to Sci-Twi in the same book, which is set well after the events of Rainbow Rocks. I don't think it's a frozen moment.
What's this source? It kind of looks like something made for the little ones. Maybe not much time was put into it. I dunno, Applejack's one doesn't sound like her. At least, it doesn't sound like something she'd say word for word. "overcome them and their evil ways." Hmmm, tastes like someone hastily wrote something for Applejack without really getting into her character. Not to say that she wouldn't bad mouth the sirens, but the word choices.... ehhh.
But then again, the movies did kind of pain the human main five as kind of shallow, especially in the first two movies. While I do really enjoy the Equestria Girls movies, they don't have the benefit of seasons of growth so the characters are still 'season 1' ish. {Or before.} As for the reading material, comics and books, it especially doesn't help. Seems they kind of push it in those mediums. Maybe that's just me.
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The source, apparently, is the My Little Pony Equestria Girls: Canterlot High Tell-All book. Specifically, I saw this image on Derpiboo, which itself linked me to this page. http://i.4cdn.org/mlp/1464748111579.jpg
That was why I emphasized "if" this was real or not, because for all I know, there's nothing like this in the actual book, which I'm kind of hoping is the case.
3988855 Perhaps a wrong choice of words from me. I'll try to clarify. I think the storytelling in the movies works like this: if you don't see it or someone talks about it, it doesn't happen. There are no developments between the movies because that universe doesn't work that way.
With sunset, her redeeming is the big red thread through all the movies. And sci-twi gets her redemption in the end of friendship games. But we haven't been shown anything about the dazzlings except from the movie. That gives no official develeopment and no redemption. And that's why it's presented like this. The feelings gets frozen.
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If these were the Rainbooms' thoughts right after the Battle, I could kind of understand them still coming down from the 'Fuck you, got mine, I win and you lose' adrenaline of the moment (seen most prominently in Sunset's arrogant smirks from the moment she powers up), but as this is set quite a while after, they would have had time to cool off and let go of these feelings. That they haven't says that they still feel this way, and holding onto their resentment like this says nothing positive about them.
3988855 What? Forgive me, I know she was being pressured, but she was an idiot. Sunset was right to get angry and call her out that one time. {Of course, a lot of fans got onto Sunset for it.} She should have put the device away the moment it did something she wasn't sure about. But she kept it... even as it drained other people's energy. Right in front of her... Kind of losing my sympathy when the easiest solution is shutting it into a box and thrusting it deep in a locker or keeping it hidden somewhere else. Just not around your neck.
Also, opening said thing when all it's done so far was cause misery. Maybe, I don't know, she could tell Cadance? She trusted her and she's an authority that could report Cinch's actions. Same with the other principals.
Eh, maybe I get on to her too much... but still. ugh.
Anyways, as a big fan of Pinkie Pie and Sunset, I don't care much for this. Although, I don't think Pinkie 'means' anything negative. In earlier seasons, she did let her mouth do the talking before she thought everything out. Which lead to a few instances where she said something mean, but didn't mean to. Given that the Rainbooms haven't had the pony level of detail, human Pinkie still probably does that.
However, I don't think it's technically a 'mean' thing she said. Feeding on negativity is, well, not an admirable trait especially to someone like her. It's more 'pointing out the obvious' then attack them. Kind of how she treated Discord at first. As a group, she'd always side with her friends, but when given the chance to act on her own, she only chose to get angry at no dollops, she actually liked his party, and even tried to take him around for some fun during his visit in 'Three's a Crowd'. Heck, even Gilda didn't earn her utmost scorn after what she did to Fluttershy. So I don't think Pinkie means to be aggressive. Can't defend the others though.
3988932 That is true, but that is also my point. Had this been real life they would have cooled down and have a more nuanced wiev.
But they haven't, because the storytelling doesn't allow them. This is supposed to be presented to small kids who has only seen Rainbow Rocks, right? Now, we are grown-ups, we know people changes opinions. But the writers think the kids are stupid. Even if this happens a long time after rainbow rocks, they still have to write it this way, otherwise the readers will be confused. Lets say the text were more neutral ore even slight positive. Then the kids would go "but they cant like them! They are evil and tried to take over the world! I just saw that in the movie." This text has to be consistent With the movie even though time has passed. And it makes it look stupid to us but...
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If they were worried that letting go of the past was a bad message for the kids, then I can tell you what the stupidest thing about this really is.
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The lengths Friendship Games went to to make Twilight sympathetic didn't quite gel for me either, partly because of that. I get that Sci-Twi is a scientist and her approach isn't "Bad thing happened, I shouldn't do that again." so much as "I wonder if that happens every time...?", but she got to the point that time and space were falling apart and kept going, then was still forgiven for all of it instantly. One wonders, if it wasn't just a pervasive inclination toward friendliness and understanding, did they only care because she looked like someone they knew and already liked? Grim implications, they.
And, whether any of them meant any harm or not, the prompt was 'Worst thing about the Dazzlings,' which sounds like an attack right off the bat. Maybe it's someone else asking them all these things and them just going along with it, but that not a single one of them objects to answering that says something.
3989037 Yeah, they did push her a little too much with not a lot of balance in order to get her likable. I think they were banking more on people to like her because she's Twilight, instead of her own character.
That's true, but Pinkie's a blabber mouth so she'd say something even if she said 'no'. At least she didn't say anything about them being banished or something overtly negative, so Pinkie gets a pass... Though I'm surprised they got anything out of Fluttershy. She's still so shy in the movies that she said this? Yeah, this is why I prefer the pony five. I don't even right off the bat in the series they were this bad.
Maybe it's a pony thing.
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It being a pony thing would make a lot of sense, actually. It's not like the human world ever fought off hate-eating ice monsters with hugs or stopped a magical cataclysm by exhibiting the right friendly qualities.
Maybe this is why Princess Twilight only ever seems to sympathize with other ponies, primarily those with horns(and thus magic), at that.
3989119 Well, it's sort of easier to sympathize with your own kind. You already have a common basis and familiarity often helps keep good relations. That and given that ponies are a generally 'herd' based species, they still have trepidations of outsiders. Of course, they don't go to great lengths as a group, opting more so to hide in most cases. So yeah, I can see why she'd have an easier time with other ponies.
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In Twilight's defence, by the time it was obvious that the magic was dangerous she'd mostly lost control. She probably should have tossed the device in a lead box or something when things got weird, but it's not unreasonable for her to keep it close for both observation and so she can keep an eye on it.
As for the Dazzlings I sort of agree with you. I assume that they shut down the idea of redemption rather hard, but that's really the kind of thing they need to make clear if they're going to show the Rainbooms as being bitter about the whole thing. If an earlier page in this book shows the Dazzlings (post-Battle) mocking and insulting the idea of doing what Sunset did then I'd call this fine. I like stories about the Dazzlings trying to make that transition, but I don't really need it to happen in canon for me to continue enjoying what you're doing here. I do think it's weird that they were willing to make the effort with Sunset but not with the other girls; maybe Princess Twilight had some reason for expecting the Sirens to reject the idea? Either way, I still think they should have shown an attempt or mentioned it in the third movie. I remember reading a story where human Twilight asks why they forgive her but speak really poorly of the Dazzlings and Applejack explains that Adagio threatened to kill the Rainbooms if they didn't leave her alone, then left Canterlot with the other two.
This isn't going to be a popular opinion, but...
I'm actually sorta agreeing with the Rainbooms. And I like the Sirens.
The movies made pretty clear there isn't much to salvage with the Dazzlings. Sunset, as you said, was beat down and begging by the end. But that also led to her working hard for her redemption. Human!Twi also reached out for forgiveness, much like Sunset had.
The Dazzlings are more like Cinch than Sunset Shimmer. We never saw their attitude change; they simply left. Would anyone really raise a brow if the Rainbooms wrote this kind of stuff about Prinicpal Cinch?
Well, maybe I would, but I'm not going to pretend I couldn't understand other people not finding it unreasonable for the girls to not having forgiven her.
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I would, and I have.
That applies to Cinch, too. It's not that this is aimed at the sirens, believe it or not, it's that the Rainbooms are doing this at all, at anyone.
What was the line in the first Hearths Warming episode? "All because we were foolish enough to hate! Now our bodies will become as cold as our hearts!" I kind of thought the windigos were a metaphor for the problems that can come from people hating each other, but, as ever, anything goes when the protagonists do it, I guess. I'm aware they do get their karma here and there, but it's the instances in which they don't that I can't help being annoyed.
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I guess I can accept that. Maybe I'm not disagreeing as much as I initially thought.
More like, I'm on the fence on this, you know? Not happy, but not unhappy enough. If that makes any sense at all.
I'll be honest, Sunset's made me laugh. For someone who was supposedly written to be the most empathetic one, that's a terribly arrogant thing to say. Her refusal to address them individually and dismiss them with a blanket statement, while using them to build herself up shows what little actual progress she's made since the first movie.
Though, to be fair, it'd be unwise to expect anyone to say something uplifting about the Sirens in a feature titled "The Worst Things About the Dazzlings".
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It does.
I get that a lot of people have grown to love the central characters and don't want to take issue with their behavior, no matter how objectionable it might be to someone else. So long as we're not cheering them on no matter what they get away with, I can certainly simmer down.
This is awful. Isn't one of the ways teenage girls bully each other by writing "slam-books?" That's exactly what this is. Who the heck decided to have the Rainbooms indulge in a bullying tactic as the entire format? The only consolation is that "books" are way down the canon scale, after comics, and significantly below movies.
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That makes it so much worse, it's practically modeling nasty behavior for the target audience so they can learn to be bullies themselves.
If it isn't a movie or in the show, I don't really pay attention to it. I think there is a kids book or something involving Gilda and Trixie teaming up to get back at the mane six, and they act like childish bullies *not read it, but others have told me*. There is just so much bad about other sources past the show and movies *and, admittedly, those have bad parts to them as well*.
Yeah, I kinda think they are a literal force in Equestria, which makes the whole 'friendship' thing their interesting. Be nice to eachother or the windigo's will destroy everything. Kinda similar to the Crystal Empire's "Be happy and charge up the Crystal heart or we are all screwed!".
I mean, it has it's positives, the government has a vested interest on keeping it's ponies happy if it wants to survive. But, it is also kinda creepy too since I could see organizations being made to coerce others to be happy in the society. It's not exactly a bad thing, but very 'we need to butt into this ponies life'.
I liked one thought on the Sirens causing the windigo's in the long run. Sirens come to pony culture, bring about infighting and hatred, windigo's wipe it out, Sirens go back to the sea, Equestria is made, they come back and start it all over again, and then get banished. They are supposedly over a thousand years old already, so what's another thousand years on top of that?
Forgive my rambling.
I know that these comments bother much
but still bad Dazzlings
I'm sorry but it is true
They showed no signs of repentance as sunset or of wanting reform.
they fled.
maybe we will see them again. in the movie.
as other characters returning MLP and become good.
I sincerely hope that if again, and this time, they can become aware.
I think so.
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I'm okay with putting this in the same territory as the holiday special; insanely damning, but not strictly canon. How incredibly fortunate that they came out and said that very early on with the comics, or I'd be flat-out rooting for the bad guys next time, no matter how horrible they were.
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That is not the issue. The issue is that the Rainbooms, supposedly good girls who value love, friendship, and forgiveness above all else, are blatantly taking shots at someone that isn't a threat and isn't bothering them in any way, just stewing on how much they hate these people. It's especially egregious for Sunset, on account of her history.
Real-life "tell all" books are akin to tabloids. Don't believe half of what is written, and the other half is just plain lies.
--Spade
3990385 I understand
but do not give much importance.
that can say now.
if things change?
if they return?
I find it interesting that someone apparently took the time to draw a huge arrow from Sunset's comment right to Aria. If anyone, it would be Adagio that embodies the negative traits of the sirens, at least in the Rainbooms' eyes.
That being said, I find it strange that this exists to begin with. The ending to Rainbow Rocks always kind of bugged me with the whole "they run off, the end" thing. Especially after I watched Friendship Games, which I actually quite enjoyed, where they worked so hard and spent so much time to make us feel sorry for Sci-Twi. I swear half the movie was "Look at how badly she's treated, those other students sure are jerks at that school, it's a good thing everyone at CHS is a nice person." In hindsight it really bugs me that the antagonists who actually posed a physical threat and did physical damage are treated much better than the purely mental threat, especially considering that Sunset was both.
Sorry if it seems a bit disorganized but I kind of just wrote whatever came to my admittedly rant inclined mind.
I started reading this post straight from my feed and I legitimately almost referred you to yourself. Then I clicked and realized how pointless it would be to send you to Adagio's little rant in Dazzle's Poor Career Choice since you're more than aware of the hero's self-righteous superiority complex.
Regarding earlier comments about being a possible snapshot, I kind of thought of this page as one from a yearbook where data was gathered in the heat of the moment and then just saved until it's to be used.
Rainbow Dash's comment is so her it's kind of funny in its own right. I find hers to be the lesser of evils because, as judgemental as it is, it has little to do with bashing the Dazzlings for who they were. Rarity says something that pure exposition for us but essentially nonsense in-verse. Sunset Shimmer proves to be competitive as fuck so that's not surprising.
All in all, this - if taken for canon - really emphasizes the shitty, immature kids they are that allowed Sunset to drive them apart in the first place, and silly Sunset Shimmer is still learning about friendship.
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Don't worry, I'm probably the last person you should apologize to for being ranty.
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Heh, almost referenced to something I wrote myself. That's a first!
I'm going to try to ignore this, because it sounds uncharacteristically mean-spirited of them to even respond to a question like "Worst things about X", but I'm wondering how long it'll be before someone makes an accusation fic about this. Should be interesting.
3991661 not gonna lie, I found this picture a couple weeks ago and thought pretty much the same thing ("wow, that's not a leading question or anything... wonder what the fandom's gonna do with this")
I saw a another page in this book about studying. Pinkie said she did not think about cupcakes or candy at all while studying and RD said she studied at all. This makes me question the validity of their statements
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This. Biiig part is this. Looking at some of the other stuff written in there... Pinkie Pie has a crush on Twilight's big brother? On Shining Armor, who already graduated? From a different school, no less? What?
I'm sorry, but I'm going to pretend this thing doesn't exist and wait for EG4. ^_^
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Pinkie has a crush on...? I guess it's halfway feasible that she'd have seen him with Twilight at some point and decided she liked what she saw, but I've seen the rest of that crush page and can't say the writer put that much thought into it.
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Rarity refers to the Equestrian Spike as having a crush on her, not the Equestrian Rarity. That's probably the least shallow reason given to mention someone on that page.
Well, I said I'd lose all sympathy for the Rainbooms if this turned out to be official, and from the sounds of things, false alarm, because I get the impression the writer is only tangentially familiar with the source material. I couldn't even take this seriously in the context of a fanfic anymore, because it looks more and more like what you'd get if you asked a grown man to write vapid, teenage girls and glue EQG faces on the result.
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Or someone who wants the Rainbooms to look like vapid, shallow teenage girls.
Just imagine them getting their hands on this. Reading every page with mounting terror and/or anger. Not knowing who's behind this awful attack on their characters!
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This whole thing is horrible. Do you really think Rarity would make a comment about how "Starswirl the Bearded" doing something meant they were bad? It's not just shallow it's out of character. If anything, that's a shallow Twilight comment.
Same with the crushes page. But I don't know that they're all shallow. "Childhood friend" isn't the worst reason for a crush, so Applejack's would almost work if it was a pony name instead of "Jonathan". Actually, I note that several other crushes on that page involve not knowing the names of their targets, which is pretty terrible and makes me wonder if the writer of that page doesn't really know anything about the franchise and couldn't be bothered to look anything up, either.
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I'm actually guessing someone asked a grown man to write teenage girls and then forgot to check and see if he thinks they're all vapid first.