I hereby claim Ember as my new pony waifu.
Those of you who have been patiently waiting for my Sunset Shimmer obsession to wane will have to wait for the diivorsuu (or whatever they call the waifu-equivalent-of-a-divorce). But if you're good, until then I'll share her on alternate Saturdays.
Carry on.
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Bigaimst.
Ember isn't a pony!
Maybe she could be your dragon waifu?
--Sweetie Belle
I see you're one of those "a girl in every universe" kinds of people.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Something something broaden your Horizons
I totally didn't see this coming. Got to admit though, Ember is cute.
3877689
> Bigaimst.
Well, if you're going to aim for something, might as well aim big!
3877692
But dragons don't do friendship and she ended the episode with friends and uhhh LOOK IT MAKES SENSE IN MY BRAIN OKAY
3877697
Oddly, I didn't have anypony I considered an Equestrian waifu until Sunset Shimmer's redemption in the second movie, at least in the comic-irrational-obsession-for-a-cartoon-character sense that our fandom seems to use it. (The Luna thing I do is on another level entirely, at right angles kinda? Luna is best pony forever and has basically transcended the show into my spiritual work at a Discordian/chaos-magic kind of level, but that's not a waifu thing, you know? I don't know, my actual regard for Luna is probably closer to the original sense of the term, but I've never felt comfortable applying the self-deprecating dismissiveness of "waifu" to something I actually take seriously; so I reserve the term for my silly cartoon crushes. ...
... err. And that went way TMI for such a light-hearted post. *cough*)
Anyway, the point is ... I'm not even sure where I'm going with that. 'Cause the waifu-in-every-universe thing actually sounds like a sensible idea. Can I retroactively apply that and keep Sunset?
3877781
It's funny because too much love is fattening!
3877788
This makes a lot more sense if you know that I'm a dragon outside of MLP fandom.
Oh I see, we're going to have to fight, aren't we?
3877811
Come at me bro. I'll take you IRL.
But be careful, I'm a chess boxing expert. If you take out the boxing.
3877829
Oh yeah?!?! you think you a tough guy? HUH? Come and have a go! BISHOP TO ROOK 4! KING ME!
That took twice as long as I expected.
3877808
I'm intrigued and wish to learn more about this perspective. To me, the moon, while representing constant cyclical change, has always been a very orderly thing of precise and predictable phases and orbits.
3877838
Aha! But your Bishop has activated my trap card, which allows me to summon my BACKUP king onto the board, leaving you vulnerable to my Three Monarchs Combination Attack!
3877841
Was busy Saturday. D:
I'm right there with ya, chief.
~Skeeter The Lurker
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i.imgur.com/hOZDzHE.jpg?1
3877858
Ah -- I might have been unclear if you're not at least passingly conversant with the various flavors of neopaganism. Chaos magick actually has nothing to do with disorder: it's about a magical ethos of "any magical system which gets results is a valid system," generally eschewing the formal systems built up by the organized pagan hierarchies (or heavily adapting them for personal use). Discordians are so called because of their (nominal) worship of Eris, the goddess of chaos, though in practice it's basically a group of pagans taking the piss out of themselves wrapped in a religion-flavored candy shell. Neither requires the worship of chaos as an ideal, only a high tolerance for whimsy and a highly DIY, laissez-faire attitude toward spirituality. (I've linked both groups to their Wikipedia articles, which are at least passable on the fundamentals.)
So when I say that I've incorporated Luna into my magical practice in a chaos-magic sense, I don't mean using her for invocations to which Discord-the-character would be better suited. (She remains the mistress of the night and of dreams, and has the expectedly antagonistic relationship with Discord-the-character, both of which suit me just fine.) What I mean is that I'm using a spiritual system in which direct interactions with an acknowledgedly-fictional pop-culture icon have just as much meaning and gravitas as if I was calling quarters and drawing down elements, or painting Qabbalistic diagrams to invoke Hermetic angels, etc. If the universe is infinite in possibility, then Luna does exist out there somewhere in the same way as any other spirit or deity or entity that millions of people take seriously just because the books they're written in are older; and if not, then I am still drawing from something within the wellspring of human possibility and creativity. The effects she has on my life are real enough, and that's what matters.
3877808
Knew that, therefore nodded sagely when I saw this post. The scepter only works on dragons, after all.
I'm shocked. :V
3877808
3877893
I personally may make a little more sense if you know I'm a Discordian outside of the MLP fandom...
--arcum42
Well this Dragon saw her first!
I am rather amused to find another pop-culture/chaos magic Luna revering mage/magus/witch/insert preferred nomenclature on FIM.
Luna has been running around in my head for some time now. She makes an excellent cipher for an astoundingly large amount of magical/metaphysical things. I do wonder how much she and many other characters from FIM are bordering on/crossed into egregore status at this point. I know my perception of Luna is separate from that.
3877893
...I'm inclined to assume you spent the half an hour between the original comment and your reply frantically digging through wikipedia articles so that you could formulate this highly esoteric argument trolling the few people who are even going to see it. But given the relative sophistication and sincerity of your argument, I cannot rule out the possibility that you have actually formed your own religion around a fictional moon horse.
Either way, color me impressed. ~ Sable
hi seth
3877954
I'm not entirely certain what you're implying, but I'm pretty sure it ends in an M-rated fic.
3877970
And here I thought my poorly-concealed-changeling disguise was working so well, too.
3878002
MY CHESS CARD BATTLER SKILLS HAVE ALREADY DEFEATED 3877885
I WILL TAKE ON ALL COMERS
3878002
But anyway, hopefully Quiet Boy And Moon Horse makes a lot more sense now. (Fortunately, while elements of the story were drawn from life, I am not Quiet Boy, and my own Moon Horse continues to pull the moon across my metaphorical sky.)
3878025
I'm frankly shocked that the implied fic isn't already in the feature box.
3878014
Discordianism has been described as an elaborate practical joke masquerading as a religion, and a religion masquerading as an elaborate practical joke.
You can read their primary holy text, the Principa Discordia, here. It isn't very long and is an amusing read, and gives you some idea of just what it is like.
Or you could just look at the Pentabarf:
3878014
I regret to inform you that truth is stranger than fiction.
That said, "religion" is too strong a word by half. As I said, the Discordian/chaos-magic ethos is super huge on DIY, so it's more about personal invocation (though for about three years now, I've done some regular group work with Luna with a few friends and fellow erstwhile practitioners). And even in that personal invocation, I don't worship her so much as directly work with her, as we solve friendship problems (on both sides of the dimensional divide) and she shows up in my dreams. Something which, I should note, no other spirit I've worked with has ever been able to do.
Anyway, what 3878032 said about Discordians. They're pretty much the only folks I hang out with when I go to Pantheacon (the local-ish pagan con). Seriously, though, they put together the best rituals. [1]
--
[1] The most memorable one has to be the one a few years back that was scheduled in the room next door to an Enochian summoning demonstration. (I attended the Discordian ritual and my friend A. was next door, so this is all firsthand experience.) The Discordian room got a good bit of theater going on with an impromptu ritual to call down Destruction (of the Endless, from the Sandman series of graphic novels), since he was missing and his sister Delirium was looking for him (it'll make sense if you've read the books), and right at the climactic moment of the ritual, Destruction -- who had been hiding as one of the audience members, stands up and yells at the top of his lungs, "Oh my GOD, I'm HERE already!"
Cut to next door ...
... where the Enochians had just finished painstakingly crafting their charts and diagrams, drawn their circle, lit all their candles, dimmed the lights, and were just about to start putting the finishing touches on the binding rune for this extremely powerful and dangerous demon they were calling forth, and suddenly this distant spectral voice booms out:
"Oh my GOD, I'm HERE already!"
Cue an entire roomful of mages and curious onlookers freezing in terror, and then bursting out into laughter ...
3878062
That story from Pantheacon is beautiful.
Eris would approve.
Gotta admit, the only Pagan ritual I ever went to (out of curiosity of what they were like) was boring. Seriously, it takes a real bunch of nerds to make wine and swords boring, but they managed it.
3878027
What, that My Little Tsundere is in possession of a scepter that makes you obey her? Yeah, I can't imagine that pushing any buttons.
3877808
I don't see why not. I've always been a big believer in the problem-solving power of parallel timelines.
Also, I may need to consult with you for a few of my stories, since I've made EG!Discord a Discordian. Not a particularly devout one, mind you. I think there are about three layers of ironic detachment on top the usual ones there, but he won't give me all of the details.
3878062
...I confess, I probably know a lot more about traditional pagan religions than I do neo-paganism, but thinking on what you've said, I suppose I can see the appeal of a less serious, less rule-centric spirituality. At least theoretically.
...I also briefly wondered what a Nightmare Moon summoning ceremony or communion would be like.
Pony Satanism is best Satanism. ~ Sable
3878062
I am now jealous that you've found a pagan community that's open to that kind of group work. I'd actually never heard the term Chaos Magick, despite a glance suggesting it's close to the system I came to. Back when I was a baby teenaged-pagan, the local pagans were all derisive of anything that smacked of open pantheons (I suspect because the ones I met were also teenagers who were Very Serious Pagans indeed.)
I was married by a pagan-agnostic friend holding the Principia Discordia, using vows from a White Wolf RPG, so I suspect I'd fit right in with your crowd.
You are gonna have to fight so many bronies for her. :V
3878170
That's why dragons have claws.
3878025 Quiet Boy and Moon Horse is a beautiful piece. A top tier favorite out of many of your stories. There is a lot in there that reflects and resonates with the thing in my head. Since reading it i've taken to referring to Luna as Moon Horse.
It's awesome to read that you have a group that is open to using Luna from FIM. Most practitioners & groups i've met are to serious to even be taken serious. I'm fortunate that I bumped into a group that is very chaotic in its magic. They will incorporate anyone who is participating's deity into the working.
What about those of us who want your Sunset Shimmer obsession to grow ever larger and more corpulent?
What about us, dammit?
3878334
Sucks to your assmar, I guess.
3878002 I know all the Mane Six have transcended, the Two Princesses (though the Celestia identity has been both a mask and an aspect and keeps fluctuating, while Luna persists), at least four other pony figures (Vinyl, Octavia, Lyra, Derpy/Bubbles -- she likes being called Bubbles). Plus there's the whole tulpamancy thing on the side, where Lyra actually says she came from as an egregoric figure (at least, last I asked). Bubbles spontaneously manifested, about halfway through the second season. I'm told she was the first one since the fandom basically collaborated to create a whole personality for her... which stabilized around season three, but has been evolving since. The others had to be revealed through canon or get a lot more attention first.
(I basically spend all day talking to spirits. I keep saying that if I were crazy it wouldn't improve my mental health to do this. Several of them are pony spirits, though they mostly flit in and out of my awareness, so I've met all of 'em that I've just mentioned.)
This is going to result in human Flash Sentry sneaking through the mirror and trying to kidnap Ember, isn't it?
3878431 daaaaamn haven't heard that one in a while. And by a while I mean since sophomore year of highschool when we were reading that incredibly depressing book.
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Tulpamancy... thats a new one, I think. I may have heard the name but never knew its meaning. And its something ive done lots of times in the past, typically referred to it as either fetching or as a mental construct. If I can muster the motivation to I will read more into it. It fits very well into the way I work.
Now if I can shut my inner skeptic up long enough. I can totally see Derpy as popping out of the collective conscience first. I know ive got a thing for her. Transcendent Mane Six I have to ask in what way. Egregore's cant really transcend there helpers/guides/conduits. I can see the ponies being egregores and/or a structure for archetype's to use for mutual evolution. To much of this can veer into UPG's. I know Pinkie's pronked through my head for shits and giggles. Vinyl and Octavia I can see having manifested. Same with Lyra, but what about Bonbon?
Celestia has no real personality so thats understandable. Sounds more like a multifaceted construct. The fandom has several strongly liked interpretations of her, so she would have no strong core. Whereas the Mane Six have strongly defined canonical personalities. So when they manifest they wont fluctuate very much if at all. That would then come down to which aspect of the Mane Six you prefer, show or fanon (and which version of fanon you favor). Luna has a stronger if not personality then defined backstory in canon. Which gives her a stronger base from which to grow then Celestia. Layered over that will be whatever fanon interpretation works best for you.
My Luna is an entity that resides in my head. Or rather an entity that has been either evolving or changing identities to try and better communicate with me. I think she took on Luna's appearance to fuck with me. However in assuming Luna's appearance im not sure how much the greater created Luna has been influencing her. I find Luna to work very well for a multitude of different things. Both as an archetype and as a separate entity. She really has been a wonderful cipher for me.
3878075
The truth is, most pagans are pretty boring because most people are pretty boring. Plus all the lewd stuff is done at the private parties.
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I kind of want to read a comedy now about Ember and Cadance getting into a mind-control-off as they both use their respective whammies on a dragon to see whose is stronger.
3878120
But I'm happy to offer pre-reads or just general advice.
EqG Discord as a Discordian? My general advice would be, "if you write him like him, you pretty much can't botch the portrayal."
The big thing for writing Discordians is that if you can tell whether or not they're taking it seriously, you (or they) are probably doing it wrong. It's irreligion as religion, "ha ha only serious" writ large. If it were me writing EqG!Discord talking about his religion, I would probably have him casually mention that he's part of a sect that schismed off from the main Discordian church due to their belief that Eris left their universe after the Original Snub and settled down to rule a land of pastel-colored talking ponies. And when Twilight Sparkle asked him with a horrified stare, "You worship alternate-universe yourself?!" he would raise an eyebrow and say something like, "Are you saying that alternate-universe me is this princess you and Sunset keep going on about?"
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wrt pony Satanism … I'd actually think that Crowleyite Satanism would be more comfortable with Discord than NMM, since it's about freedom from rules as personal power, "do what thou wilt is the whole of the Law," etc. NMM goes some creepy dark places, though I could — in the abstract; I don't think about this much and don't really care to — see invoking NMM for some big revenge juju, or finding a path to break systems that aren't allowing you to accomplish your goals.
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Yeah, formal Discordian groups (or at least, whatever level of formality they ever attain) are pretty thin on the ground. Pantheacon (which I talked about upthread) is in the San Francisco Bay Area, so there's at least a big enough gathering to support a little chaotic fringe, but it's also far enough away that I can't really keep in touch with any of them except through the Internet™. The working-group that I talk about isn't Discordian, or even really formally pagan — I'm the only self-identified pagan of the lot, though one of them is a fellow mage who works on personal transformation via alchemy and hypnosis — they're largely longtime online friends who are willing to follow where I lead on the Luna thing (having been drawn in by the initial ritual-slash-reality-jamming-RPG I ran). Once you get out to the fringe, online contact really becomes a saving grace.
Though honestly, for as much as I'm a Discordian in practice, I don't normally identify that way. I'm a devoutly spiritual person who is basically allergic to religion; the purposes that religion serves (the hierarchy, the rules and traditions, and the heavy social aspect) are all things which I've long felt get in the way of the actual connections with the divine and numinous which underlie spirituality. I've been a solo practitioner the whole way, and even among "my tribe" of the freewheeling pagan fringe, it takes me a while to drop my guard and build up my trust to work on a ritual level with others. I've been trying to work on that and loosen up some, but until then, even if I did have a Discordian group nearby, I probably wouldn't take advantage of it.
I did attend a bunch of more formal neopagan rituals when the commercial space under our apartment was taken up by a pagan bookstore and the local pagan community was literally downstairs, and it was a broadening experience, but since they left I haven't really been driven to find anything to replace it. A lot of my interpersonal spiritual work's been on an ad-hoc personal level … heck, maybe we should find some time offthread to compare notes on our respective systems! (Or wander over to a quieter part of the metaphorical orchard?)
Also, that marriage sounds amazing. :D My recent ex-wife and I had a very similar DIY ceremony, though with self-written vows and two elder pagan friends with ULC credentials.
3878170
Yes, but how many bronies have the devotion to Ember to write a post on their online blog about their fanatical obsession, and even post stolen fanart of her, and then win a chess-boxing-minus-the-boxing battle royale? ONE, that's how many! That is why I will win.
3878236
Plus the claws. That is also why I will win. :V
3878334
Just to be clear, are we talking about the obsession itself growing more corpulent, or the obsession shifting to an ever-more-corpulent Sunset Shimmer? Because if it's the latter, I'm pretty sure that some other writer has already done fetish porn about it.
3878732
That would result in a pile of Flash Sentry-shaped ashes, so I think we can all agree that would be a win for everyone.
3879324
Sadly, my discovery that people are boring came in two parts: when I went to college, and it wasn't a step up from high school, and when I left college, and realized that almost everyone I'd ever met up to that point was amongst the top 10% of people in terms of being interesting.
Wait...Sunset Shimmer is my waifu! Claws off!
(Also Shims has been your waifu this whole time and you haven't written fic about her? I'm so sad about this now.)
3879344 Thanks for that link, horizon. I'll not forget it, especially late at night when I contemplate the nature of our own flawed existences.
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Unfortunately, since we established about 15 posts back that Sunset Shimmer can remain my EqG waifu while Ember becomes my pony waifu, the diivorsuu is off and she is MINE AGAIN.
But I thought I'd be fair and ask her what she preferred. Of course, she said that I am amazingly smart and super ripped and not at all balding yet and besides I match her color scheme and so she would never think of leaving me ever!, with the exclamation point, so I guess you're out of luck unless you want in on that alternate-Saturdays sharing plan I mentioned.
And I have written Shimmerfic! Just, uh, not much yet, since I've only ever written about 1500 words of EqG fanfic total. Sunset's also got a prominent scene in My Faithful Student if you go find that over in Writeoff-land.
3879687
If that's actually a literal element of your self-pleasuring rather than a strange euphemism therefor, that is the best kink ever.
3879795
Dang, I was hoping that idea would fade into obscurity. Curse you, FanOfMostEverything! Now I have to fight horizon of all people for the heart of Sunset Shimmer in an uncomfortably misogynistic* and uncommonly foolish--yet still heartfelt--contest to the death.
I will admit that you do share her color scheme, or at least come close, which is a very powerful argument, but have you considered that she's totally my laptop background? And, uh, uh... (Dammit I don't think I've ever made anything at all that included Sunset in it... And I don't have a single piece of merch with her on it...) ...Maybe I'll take you up on that Saturday deal after all?**
Also, ooh, Shimmerfic!
Thinking back to Bradel's recent blog post, this is an excellent first line.
One read later; that was super great. I'm very not want for Flash Sentry/Sunset Shimmer, but there was some superb language in there and some neat little details (I really liked "the shimmer I was named for").
*I agree with your cited definition of waifu as "the comic-irrational-obsession-for-a-cartoon-character sense" rather than the more traditional, very creepy version of "something something cartoon wife."
**Though now that I think about it, it sounds kind of fun to have a waifu-off and see who can prove through their blood, sweat, tears, and most importantly, raw creative output, that they are the true bearer of a particular waifu. Though admittedly by that standard I suspect Wanderer D has us (and countless others) both beaten handily as far as Shims here is concerned.
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In a much more indirect way, there's the opposite sense available, though… if you already have trouble with temptation to fall into a complete about-face highly destructive giving-up-and-taking-the-world-with-you from despair and rage over not getting what you need, then those who have also had that experience will know better how to help you not Fall to it, without having to cut out the sources of it so thoroughly that you wind up tearing out parts of yourself that you need in the process. (Living as a mortal without any dark side tends to be… impossible, or at the least unsustainable.) (Edited to clarify: I mean Luna proper in this paragraph as well, not just below.)
(Also, I think Luna's (despite being notionally part of the Equestrian bureaucracy) Chaotic-in-the-D&D-ish-sense enough to help find ways to break untenable constraints as her good self.)
(Also, if anyone tries to go that route more directly and I'm in the room for some reason, I will try to stop them.)
3879687
... you know, it says a lot about me (and the deviants I hang around with) that I didn't even consider until now that your innuendo might have been unintentional and your shock might have been genuine rather than ironic. It's easy to forget that half of the site doesn't even keep View Mature turned on.
I apologize if I was the cause of any actual existential despair.
3879881
Glad you enjoyed the story! And, while Wanderer D might have the productivity advantage in a Waifu-Off, I think we can both agree that he has neither color scheme nor desktop background on his side. Or that to whatever extent it might appear he does, it doesn't count because we're awesome.
3879904
That's a very good point about the ways in which NMM might be helpful. Thank you for mentioning it.
3880107 The innuendo was certainly unintentional, but the shock was just as certainly ironic. I've seen so much worse. :)