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Oct
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2015

Episode Discussion » S5E21 - Scare Master · 3:34pm Oct 31st, 2015

Fluttershy decides to face her fears and take part in Nightmare Night with her friends.

Is a good episode yo. *cough*

Report knighty · 3,713 views · #season 5 #s5e21 #scare master
Comments ( 142 )

Upvote this comment if you watched the leak. Downvote this comment if you're watching it blind today.

*attempts to upvote own comment but fails*

Also, space exploration is canon, judging from Rainbow Dash's costume.

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The $64,000 question: HOW THE F:yay:K DID THEY GET UP THERE!?

3509837 Watching it blind. Probably will have to watch it tomorrow though, got a parteh, will watch de pons tomorrow

3509841 They didn't, it probably was that the animators couldn't think of anything better.









but hey, that's just a theory, a show theory!

Oh no angel's in the mix now

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Heeeeere's ANGEL!

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Many people are saying "Banishment en masse."

3509841 Well, Luna was banished to the moon...

The horse mask haha

I know I'll probably get some hate for this, but I really need to say it right now.

This episode is the Spike at Your Service of Fluttershy episodes. There are so many things wrong with this episode ranging from how cringeworthy it was, to Fluttershy’s character derailment.

Fluttershy’s fears in this episode are beyond cringeworthy and unrealistic, even for her. How does she go from being able to tame and stand up to Discord, to suddenly being terrified of a bag of candy? This isn’t funny. This is just sad.

On top of a predictable story, the ending itself is one of the biggest cop outs in the show. Rather than have Fluttershy learn something and have some development to her character, she ultimately disregards what she learned, her character development is tossed out the window, and she ultimately learns nothing and goes back to what she was doing before. While I do appreciate the show for trying to be different, it’s a bad move that keeps her in status quo and destroys most of the character development she had.

What makes it worse is that Fluttershy, at no point during the episode, want to go home. She wanted to get in on the Nightmare Night activities. She wanted to scare her friends. She wanted to not be a burden and to be scary. The ending contradicts everything Fluttershy wanted to do.

And even if they wanted to go with Fluttershy not being a part of Nightmare Night, why not then have her do something other than go back to hiding under her bed? Why not have her pass out candy? Or let her animal friends run around and scare others in the corn maze? I could at least forgive the episode if they did one of those things; not have Fluttershy disregard a lesson she learned and be kept in status quo.

The only good things I can say about this episode were the costumes the characters wore, the moment of Spike saving Rarity, and those anime ponies. Flutterbat was… alright, I guess, but that wasn’t her and it was only for a very brief moment.

I watched this episode when it was leaked and during its proper airtime to see if maybe if it was better, but it wasn't. It’s a complete waste of time, and honestly the worst Fluttershy episode I’ve ever seen. It may actually be the worse episode of season 5, and a good contender as one of the worst episodes of the series. Fluttershy learned nothing at all, her fears are unrealistic, and the ending sucked. Unless you like episodes where characters are scared of the most unrealistic things like candy and a pointless story, chances are you’ll want to skip this episode.

Anyone else watching a scary movie tonight? I'm up for "The Shining."

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O God that's hilarious.

knighty
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3509880 Your comment actually damaged my brain.

Did you miss it? Check it out on DailyMotion!

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*bamaged my drain

Bunnicula is canon! (ish)
Also, Fluttershy with great powers of scary who wishes only to be harmless and nice, quite sincerely.
My readers are all like, LOLWUT :raritywink: antijossing! It's what's for breakfast!
Very adorable episode. I do want to check all the Fluttershy frames to see if there's sneaky fangs where there aren't supposed to be, but that would be far too much to ask :rainbowlaugh:

I kinda liked the two references to flutterbat but i really wished that they had actually had her change into flutterbat the second time. not just a costume. also how did she get those red eyes?

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You do know that her fear is based off a real life phobia people have for Halloween, right? Link here.

I respect your opinion, but I seriously think you're being too hard on Fluttershy here. As someone who suffers from a great deal of anxiety like she does, I have to say that it took a great deal of courage for Fluttershy to do what she did. I can go on about her psychology and how there is a lot of evidence throughout the episode foreshadowing how it will end for her, but for the best, but I see you will disregard everything I have to say right away. I'm just gonna say you're sounding very insensitive to people who both fear Halloween, and suffer from anxiety.

Sadly, Hasbro failed to have Our Goddess of the Night in this episode.
WE NEED MORE LUNA, DAMMIT! :flutterrage:

Also, props to the Zaphod Bebblespike

3509914 Yeah, that's true. Luna is the best pony. Praise the sun.

3509900 A fair question. How DID she get those red eyes and exactly the right scraggly mane, hmm? :fluttershyouch:

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I watched it just a little while ago (on TV) and I think the better question is why Rarity even has a Flutterbat costume (which Fluttershy just, you know, took).

And why none of them actually, you know, do what they normally do when they fight monsters not too much larger than them once they legitimately started getting terrified.

I suspect Fluttershy was made to react so negatively to seeing her friends terrified for a reason other than story purposes (since she was just trying it out to see if she liked it or not to begin with, and ultimately didn't like it). Think about it, if she would have enjoyed scaring her friends near crapless, but herself being easily frightened (increasingly so on Nightmare Night it seems) I imagine the fandom would have taken that a canon nod to either a more sadistic or repressed bully detail to Fluttershy's character.

If anything through the episode, Fluttershy was terrifying herself more than anything. You heard the way she talked about the candy and stuff right? She psyched herself into the scaredy cat role even more than usual, and her friends not at one point were like, "Well, if some monster is going to get you while we're around, we got your back. Bob on!". I mean, they just stood there and wrung their hooves at it.

Also. I don't think she ever got Angel the food that he wanted, though they might have just skipped over that for time reasons. And, now that I think about it, Fluttershy had to go all the way in town just to get Angel some food? And she seemed to go to all the wrong places (the Apple farm probably would have been a great start for example).

I haven't seen an episode this good since about 6 weeks ago! :trollestia:

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Praise the sun.

BURN THE HERETIC! :flutterrage:

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I just realize that as well but if you think about it could contact lens as well makeup. But we may question her voice change as well.

3509944 Then I would become the sun. You're a protestant/jew/catholic right? Praise the sun.

Oh... my God. I loved the "scary" tea party scene so flippin' much. Was literally laughing out loud the whole time. :rainbowlaugh:

Man, I honestly hoped that she had legitimately transformed into her bat-pony form. Yeah, it would make very little sense, and that cliffhanger at the end of Bats! was probably just for kicks.

But it would be so cool tho :raritydespair:

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It's not that Fluttershy's supposed to learn to take part in Nightmare Night, it's that the Mane 5 (and the audience) are supposed to learn that not everyone will end up liking and being involved in everything—and that's why it's brilliant. The usual cartoon formula: there's a character no one expects to fit into something, they're forced into it somehow, they find out they love it despite initial assumptions. In real life, this is rarely actually the way it works. This episode shows that, despite spending twenty minutes trying to convince someone otherwise, there will inevitably be people in the world who simply don't want to take part in something, and to just accept that as it is. And about Fluttershy going against what she was saying all episode: it took her until the end to truly realize that Nightmare Night really wasn't for her, because that's when she got a view of the full scope of what Nightmare Night was all about that wasn't clear beforehand. She knew Nightmare Night was about scaring, but it took actually seeing herself causing true terror before it hit her just how far things could go, an extreme she hadn't known enough about the holiday to realize was involved. Also, it wasn't her being scared that made her decide against taking part, but other being scared because of her. Some people just can't take doing that.

3509952 None of the above...

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I think comic books and pulp novels and stuff had spacemen before Gagarin made his flight. So the most we know is that they have the concept of space exploration--not necessarily the tech level to do it.

3509912 Well the thing that really bothers me is this. Fluttershy has stood up to multiple foes before. She got rid of a dragon that was threatening Ponyville. She is the only one to have kept Discord in line when every other pony has failed to. She even risked herself to go into Starlight Glimmer's town and managed to reveal her secret. Fluttershy was getting braver and bolder. It was a way of showing how far Fluttershy had come since the show began.

This episode just goes too far with Fluttershy being afraid. It feels like a slap in the face after everything she had done up until this point. All of her development and her bravery is tossed out the window for an episode that feels like a waste of time and really set Fluttershy's character back.

I am by no means against people with anxiety. My co-worker actually has a severe case of it, and we get along great. This episode did nothing to help Fluttershy and really screwed her over. It's a shame after everything that she has done, that this was what happened to her. It's just a cringe worthy episode, and one that really derails Fluttershy's character.

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Yes! Couldn't have said this any better myself!

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Also. I don't think she ever got Angel the food that he wanted, though they might have just skipped over that for time reasons.

Angel feeds on ponies' fear, so he was fine.

3509969 Then I would like to know, what are you religiously/spiritually?

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What she learned wasn't 'thrown through the window' like you say. This episode was not about facing your fears. It was about how many of your friends can enjoy a certain activity and they'll want you to be a part of it.
It was about giving a try to what your friends tell you they enjoy, but you don't have to enjoy it yourself. If you aren't comfortable with a certain activity, you have the right to say no to it. And your friends have to respect your decision.

Fluttershy's fears were indeed, unrealistic. But that was not the point of the episode. The point was that she felt out of place and didn't like any of what made nightmare night, nightmare night.
In the end, she has the courage to say she doesn't like to spend time with her friends that way, which they accept wholeheartedly. That's actually great character development.

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While you are right, I think she actually took the scares a lot farther than most ponies around town would. Putting a mortal, genuine fear of death into others isn't really in the spirit of Nightmare Night or Halloween.

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They've talked about bullets before too but I haven't seen any guns in Equestria, yet.

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Fighting a monster who jumps out at you throughout the day or during a mission when you expect to see one is different from one who appears when you're already scared half-witless. I'm sure if one of her friends had actually been hurt, or about to be hurt, Twilight would have stepped in and vaporized the threat, but certain instincts kick-in when one is already frightened that they might not normally have.

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He did come up with the whole scheme supposedly on his own. :rainbowhuh: You may be on to something.

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But Twilight didn't know that her friends weren't about to be hurt. She used the teleportation spell, that's a good thing, but beyond that there my disbelief is somewhat suspended that someponies who have waltzed into the Everfree forest like it is nothing, faced the likes of Tirek, Discord, and Chrysalis would be paralyzed with fear as the mane 5 were right at the end when "Flutterbat" made her appearance and swooped in to tear up Spike's costume.

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I am by no means against people with anxiety. My co-worker actually has a severe case of it, and we get along great.

Well, in your initial comment, it didn't sound like you have a very good understanding of it. Just because Fluttershy was able to do a few brave things, it doesn't mean she was able to handle this head on. We can't control what we worry about and what we're afraid of. This is Nightmare Night. It's like a festival of all of Fluttershy's fears and everything else she's afraid of bundled into one. She understands from the start that it's all fake; what she's worried about is the initial being scared and probably humiliated from it that she avoids even the simplest traditions, thinking it can be a trap. That's what anxiety does. It takes the smallest conflict and blows it into the worst case scenario, that's least likely to happen, and makes you panic beyond belief.

This is a probem I've dealt with my whole life, and while I love halloween, I can greatly relate to Fluttershy in this episode because of it. The episode was really about accepting the differences of your friends, and showing others that you don't have to like the same things as everyone else, as well as finding your own way to make yourself happy.

Oh yeah, and just for your consideration.

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Where do you think Fluttershy got a hold of this? :trollestia:

Please don't take me seriously...

3509990 I have a firm faith in God, but I do not follow any prescribed religion.
Religion is man's interpretation of God's word, and when mankind interpretates, mankind FUCKS IT UP! (Usually, to man's benefit)
That is the reason why we have so many different religions in this world, and why we spend so much time killing one another in His name... :facehoof:

3509914 The show needs more Luna

3509967 As I have said, I appreciate the show for doing something different, but then I realized Fluttershy more or less wanted to be a part of this holiday. She didn't really show any doubt at all until pretty much the end. I'm not against the idea of new ideas and a different direction at all. Maybe if they had one of the main characters try and force Fluttershy to be part of it so they can all celebrate together, I'd buy that instead and be more forgiving to this episode. Then you can have her say at the end she wants no part of it at the end. The moral would have worked so much better if it was about how you can't force somebody to like something.

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She never directly fought Discord.

You seem to have missed the part where Twilight was initially RUNNING AWAY from Tirek during their confrontation. She didn't try to fight him until after her home was decimated.

And Twilight didn't fight Chrysalis. She fought the changelings, who were more on her level, but not Chrysalis. She, again, ran away (to get the Elements of Harmony, but still ran away).

Running away is sort of their default method of doing things, in most cases. Even during her confrontation with Nightmare Moon, no actual blows were exchanged, she used trickery to get to the Elements and revert Luna back to normal.

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But it was kinda all Spike's fault that she was even trying in the first place, since he said "how happy it would make [her friends]". After her own attempt, she saw she was disappointing them just as much as she was afraid she would, and after Angel's attempt, she saw that she really didn't like this whole "scaring" thing at all. It was an incremental decision.

That was definitely a good episode. Fluttershy scaring her friends as Flutterbat and using her animal friends as other monsters was sheer genius.

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