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Oct
26th
2015

The fate of Twilight's Harem · 12:43pm Oct 26th, 2015

Recently (like, five minutes before I started typing this) I had a discussion with someone about Twilight's Harem. I was heavily criticized for it, and I was referred to as something I loathe: a hypocrite.

Specifically, I was called a hypocrite for writing Fall of the Caribou, making fun of its rape-happy setting, when I have in the past written Twilight's Harem, which has two scenes of Trixie being violated and (according to the person saying this), badly OOC behavior on Twilight's part.

This got me thinking... am I a hypocrite?

I do have a specific plot in mind for Twilight's Harem. One that will explain Twilight's behavior and the way her friends are behaving after they get taken in by her. Hell, if asked, I can even reveal it here in spoilered text.

What I'm asking is this: I don't want to be a hypocrite. What are everyone's honest opinions on Twilight's Harem? Should I take down the story? Or am I overreacting again?

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Your stories can be different. It doesn't make you a hypocrite.

Your stories can be completely opposed to each other in politics, values and events. Even with final messages that are exclusive from each other and not be a hypocrite.

These are fictional stories. They can have whatever. Your Twi harem story is fine. Other stories are fine. Don't give it up. Idiots always judge without realizing there's obviously more to the story or have biases they refuse to be flexible about.

No matter what you will make, someone or the other will have some different bias it slots into and they will give you crap. The only thing to do is to keep making.

I look forward to more of twi's harem. Not all stories have to be about being incharacter. We're dealing with very different life circumstances and present events. Either way (in or out char) is fine. Question is who or which audience you want to cater to for the story or whether that even matters.

Twi's Harem wants to be told. Go ahead I say.

Don't be worried, you're just over reacting.

I personally like your story Twilight Harem. It was the first Clopfic that had proper storyline besides just sex scenes.

The scene about Trixie I can agree was a little weird for me. But these are minor bumps on the road.

Your story poking fun at the Fall Of Equestria specifically pokes fun at Sex and Rape. Twilight's Harem on the other hand did not felt like any Rape story. Twilight's Harem was more like a Story with a sense of humour on light-hearted sex and Hard-core sex not Rape and Torture.

So no you are not a hypocrite. Just a guy who knows how to poke fun at Anything Sex-related very well to give some good laughs

There is a world of difference between incorporating similar themes into a story and actually treating those themes the same way, especially when the themes are so broad.

BTW look forward to Twilight's Harem coming out of Hiatus

The Trixie one could maybe use a tweak but for the most part I enjoy the story very much. you could always have a chapter in which Twilight breaks apologizes for her actions, Cheerile get her mind slightly broken, and Spitfire and Soarin becoming slaves but have someone like Derpy actually thank her for letting her be a part of the harem, and Spitfire and Soarin saying they sold themselves and they are lucky they didn't sell themselves into hard labour.

Lastly since Twilight gains all the property that the person has when they become part of the harem and and they gain her political protection does that mean if Chrysalis joined Twilight would by proxy be in charge of the changelings?

Being lighter in tone and consisting of friends and familiar ponies doesn't make something not rape if it otherwise would be.

That said it doesn't mean you're a hypocrite, whether or not Twilight's Harem has an opposite message from the other fic.

Half the clopfics on fimfiction are wildly immoral. Twilight's Harem isn't somehow worse because you wrote Fall of Caribou.

Haw. Not a hypocrite?

Nigh impossible to do, I think. Everyone will, at one point in their life, contradict themselves.

Do whatever you think best. But I ask you not commit the inexcusable act of story deletion.

~Skeeter The Lurker

You most certainly aren't a hypocrite. Each story that is't part of a series or specialized group stands alone and isn't affected by any other story, even if they are contradictive.

Edit: I forgot to mention that I liked both of your stories: Twilight's Harem and Fall of the Cariboo.

Just write. My main complaint about Harem is a lack of updates.

So Someone says you are a hypocrite for writing two different fics with two different plots to them? Tell them they are hypocrites themselves then for reading them then.

I love it personally and quite frankly I am getting tired of waiting for it to update. it's been months, if not years since it abruptly stopped being updated. You aren't a hypocrite, unless you went out of your way to make an author avatar to specifically state that or created a blog post or commented, if it was a character that said it then it was that character and not you that said it.

and honestly if you have a reason then finish it, too many people try a police their own and others thoughts and imagination when it comes to art and if you fold like this especially after so long waiting I will be most vexed at you.

That said to quote monty python "GET ON WITH IT!"

I can't say whether you are a hypocrite, since I haven't read the other story in question, but as a reader I'd say that you've made it fairly clear in the story that there is more going on than just Twilight taking what she wants without regard for others, because she thinks she is entitled to it.  So the balance of probability is that you're not much more of a hypocrite than anyone else.  Count me as a vote in the "You're overreacting" column.

Dude who gives a fuck. You are writing horse porn for fucks sake. You should be making fun of the guy who cares so much that he goes through the effort of pointing out all the things he doesn't like about the horses fucking each other.

Laugh at him and continue doing whatever the fuck you want.

Calling you a hypocrite for making fun of a serious series that is based on rape while your own comedy story has one or two slightly rape-y scenes is ridiculous. Twilight's Harem is an excellent story, not only should you not delete it, but you should start writing it again.

Also: NEVER delete a story. Even if you dislike it in hindsight, someone out there almost certainly likes it and will be disappointed when they go back and try to find it.

I dont see you as a hypocrite, I like the story and if some people don't like it and lash out at you then they may have something they have to hide themselves, from what I see Fall of the Caribou is a different Universe and Twilight's Harem is a different universe from that, so Twilight would act different cause its a different universe. A lot of people forget Universes don't necessarily mean the characters act the same, look at Cupcakes for example Pinkie is COMPLETELY OOC in that and nobody bats an eye to it but if someone gets on you for Twilight for "Being OOC" then they clearly haven't read fics like Twilight Takes Charge where Twilight goes power mad and does worse things then Fall of Equestria stuff has done

no, that is all.

You're overreacting.

Twilight's Harem is silly and amusing. And taking down stories is always bad unless they're plagiarized. :P

Should I take down the story?

No, you should publish another chapter already. :trixieshiftleft:

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Your image and username seem kinda ironic.

You're overreacting.

Not much discussion needed.

Overreacting.

I don't know about the hypocrit thing but there are alot of people who would be vary sad to find this story gone not to mention it would piss off alot more people who have been waiting for more chapters. Me I would be let down about not being able to find out what happens next. I hate it when I don't know what happens next.

I'll sey keep writing and don't let such people bring it down.

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Its also a good way to keep perspective. To see how far you've come.

In any case I LOVE Twilight's Harem. Not only is it a great clopfic, its a great Fic PERIOD. I especially love the way you characterize Derpy. Don't let the haters get to you. I can't wait to see what happens next and who else gets sexy fun times with Twilight. The emotions feel very real, more than just horniness that characterizes, for better or worse, most other clops.

Seriously, Its one of my favorites of my favorites. (I need to make an all time list)

Personally, it seems a bit in character for the characters in MLP to do the things they did, and while I could see why some very over sensitive people would have a problem, its a lot better then most stories that focus in such a area and never got the opinion Trixie didn't want it and wasn't pushed too far by Twilight. Its engaging, a believable plot and while the Harem is the main story, there are also a dozen sub-plots as well to make it a true story then a story focus on sex, which would be boring. A case in point, Fifty Shades of Grey is popular not because its pron, but because many consider it to be a comedy.
Honestly, the critics sound more like something made out of jealously for a story that is a lot better and more popular then the Fall of Equstria stories that seem more out of character and just not possible. I don't even know why is popular since it goes against the show, plot (doesn't seem really plausible to me) and generally goes beyond depravity that even humanity haven't done in its darkest hours. While your story not only have a solid plot, but actually does go more into friendship is magic, though more like friends with benefits then regular freindship.

the difference is consent. Trixi gambled her freewill away in a legal manner as set forth by the laws of the universe she inhabits, therefore she has consented to all Twilight wishes to do to her within the bounds of the law. In FoE consent is never asked for nor is it given tell long after the mares are broken of all thoughts of freewill.

Alright Read the chapter once more, and really the bastard was just bullshitting you. it was a Dual, and Trixie lost because Twilight used an unfamiliar but still valid tactic. Even if it would look like rape from an outside perspective, in truth it is far from it. Rape implies that there was no choice in the matter, but Trixie made her decision, when she insulted Twilight's pride and refused to surrender when Twilight switched tactics. So by all convoluted rights, she Consented to the abuse. even if she didn't like it.

3497880 Pone is the only heresy I engage in. It's a secret tho.

You're overreacting.
It's a really nice story, You shouldn't overthink things like that.

Twilight is acting a lot like Twilight. She's very shrude and intelligent. She knows the weaknesses of ponies and also how to use them. Trixie could refuse and Twilight does have an amount of respect for her. Maybe it is cheating a little bit but it isn't rape.
I am really hoping you aren't going to take it down. I really love it.

I think I had best re-read the story. I honestly cannot remember it. :rainbowderp:

You are overreacting again, and you are not a hypocrite, the battle was fair (but it would be nice of you to give a update).

Do not remove the story, even if you ignore all the other good things its still funny.

Alright, I reread the story before posting. Man, I don't see it. FoE is Gor with horses, nasty and deserving of ridicule. Twilight's Harem doesn't compare. Yeah, a couple of scenes feature iffy consent, but nothing worse than you see in your bog standard bodice ripper. If you wanna write it, write it I say.

You are not a hypocrite, honest. :ajsmug:
You are overreacting. :derpytongue2:
You are going to release more chapters soon... riiiiiiight?!?!? :twilightblush:

Just write what you want. It is your story so do with it as you will. Personally I think it is absurd to delete or take down a story regardless of what happens. If you don't want to finish it just mark it as cancelled and move on or if you do want to continue it put out another chapter. So long as you are happy is all that matters.

Personally, I love the story but then again I love most every harem story.

YOU are not the one overreacting. It is those whom assume that their opinions are fact and your stories have a negative worth, because the stories don't appeal to them. Stories are an art, not everyone has the same taste.

Yes, you are a hypocrite.

But so is everyone else. I've never met anyone who isn't one from time to time.

That said I am of the opinion that informed consent is fundamentally important and any author who has a sex scene where its presence isn't 100% clear should give some serious thought as to whether or not their story needs a dark tag. I haven't read the Trixie scene in a long time so I can't weigh in properly. But if a part of you feels that its iffy that probably means it is.

But, at most that warrants an edit not canceling the story.

Comparing willing servitude to violent enslavement is like saying all sex is rape.

This person is a blind fool to not understand that there is a difference between being given something precious and having it stolen.

I believe that being a hypocrite is a slippery slope, one I do not think you have crossed. To be honest the last few chapters were a little much for me and I almost agree about Twilight being OOC and maybe things going a bit too far, but it is not a major problem yet. If you really have a plan, than I will have faith. I think you know well enough what you are doing to earn both our faith and your own. In my opinion, you should continue the story and do what feels right, but maybe keep on eye on yourself. You are straddling the line but you have not crossed it yet, so be mindful and all will be well. I think you can pull this off.

Also, I must add my voice to the choir; even if you don't want to continue the story, don't take it down. That is never cool.

They're completely different stories with completely different subject matter. The setting of FotC is an inherently dark one, depicting a broken land far removed from what we know, whereas Twilight's Harem is set in a (relatively) normal Equestria with a significant comedic twist. I don't think you're a hypocrite, so please, don't take it down, and continue it. I've been looking forward to the next chapter.

Qno you are not a hypocrite what you are is god dam late clearly the guy who contacted you is a trixie fan and is just butthurt over your story


also you take it down i take you down :pinkiecrazy:

I don't think you have really been a hypocrite and I also feel that the changes in Twilight's personality have been gradual enough to be explained by the story and not be out of character. I like the story please keep writing it.

Sounds like an SJW got under your skin. That happens, they're kind of jerks.

Look, no one can legitimately call you a hypocrite for this. All of your stories could be hardcore dark rape, and if you didn't like another rape-based story you are free to have that opinion, based on the content or not. That's just the theme of the story. A lot of artists and writers make things they don't even necessarily agree with but felt like making.

Now if you went around proclaiming that in your personal opinion that you live your life by rape is the best thing ever, and THEN shat all over someone's story for having rape in it... I could call you a hypocrite. But you are the writer. You are the artist of words. It doesn't matter the theme or style, and if someone has a problem with the content... what do they matter? Don't let anyone dissuade you from writing. Hell, write more violations. It's fictional, no one's getting hurt, you have no cause for this induced knee-jerk reaction from a tricked and manipulated conscience.

And if they come at you again, and ask why you don't take their opinion seriously anymore?

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