Bronystories' Ratings Rebuttal · 2:20am Jul 29th, 2012
What started out as a response to a question evolved into a full-fledged blog post. I was asked why I didn't keep Lyra and Bon Bon's Odd Jobs Teen-rated. The reader expressed concern that having the story become Mature-rated would prevent viewers who didn't have mature stories enabled to see it, because they didn't want to also be exposed to clop.
The fact of the matter is, a mature rating is given not only to clopfics, but also to stories that only include strong sexual humor without graphic descriptions of sex. It's almost as if there should be a fourth rating for 'explicit' stories. Either that, or replace the Teen slot with Mature and the Mature slot with Explicit, because I'm honestly not sure how open the Teen category is right now.
Here's my understanding of the current FIMfiction ratings system:
Everyone: No offensive content. Appropriate for all ages.
Teen: Themes more appropriate for older audiences, but no adult content or strong sexual humor.
Mature: Everything else.
I never intended to be a firebrand and question the decisions made regarding ratings, nor am I asking for L&BBOJ to be given back a Teen rating. I concede that its too far gone for that. All I'm asking is that maybe it's time to reevaluate the ratings system as a whole.
FIMfiction.net's desire to avoid sexual content in entertainment for teens mirrors the practices of the Motion Picture Association of America's movie ratings system. The MPAA has always been more lenient towards allowing graphic violence in 'PG-13' films, while slapping an 'R' rating on movies that drop the F-bomb more than once.
I remember watching the 1976 movie Logan's Run when I was younger. It was rated PG, so imagine my surprise when I saw that the movie contained scenes of sexual orgies and full-frontal male and female nudity. 
(The PG-13 rating wasn't introduced by the MPAA until 1984.)
Even though it's technically rated PG, on IMDb Logan's Run carries a suggested MPAA PG-13 rating for Sci/Fi Violence, Sensuality, Nudity. and some Drug Content. My point is that as time goes on, clearer definitions need to be established. Just like the "PG" banner was too vague for movies in 1976, I feel like the "Mature" banner is too vague for FIMfiction.net today.
There's a difference in the rating between something like American Pie and Debbie Does Dallas. Raunchy comedies with sexual themes and full-fledged pornography are rated differently in the real world for a reason, but they're treated the same here.
I realize that change is hard, but I feel that adding an explicit tag would make things easier for this site. Everyone could have two boxes to check. "View Mature" and "View Explicit." Readers who only checked mature would feel confident that they could read edgier stories, without having to worry about stumbling across hardcore pornography or graphic ultra-violence. The new ratings system could look something like this.
Everyone: No offensive content. Appropriate for all ages.
Teen: Themes more appropriate for older audiences, but no adult content or strong sexual humor.
Mature: Everything else, except for graphic descriptions of hardcore sex and gore.
Explicit: Graphic descriptions of hardcore sex and gore.
Reader's should be able to post a nonclop Mature-rated sex comedy entitled, "Soarin's Equestrian Pie" and have it be in a separate category from an explicit clopfic like "Colgate Does Canterlot 2: Refilling the Cavity". (Neither of these stories exist, by the way. Get on it writers!)
One reason I can see people not wanting to add an 'Explicit' category is a desire to preserve a more family-friendly feel for the site. I concede that having a "click here for explicit content" box won't do anything to endear bronies in the eyes of the general pubic. I suppose you could disguise the explicit rating and have a "Mature" box and a "Clop" box to click on, but there may be a simpler answer we could use to solve the problem...
Some opposition to the proposal of adding an Explicit-rating will be people saying that Mature fanfics already have 'Sex' and 'Gore' content ratings to help filter the stories. The problem is readers are currently not able to filter out 'Sex' or 'Gore' marked stories from the rest of the Mature-rated fanfics. Readers are able to filter out categories, like 'Comedy,' 'Dark' and 'Random,' so why can't people also filter out the 'Sex' and 'Gore' from the mature categories?
I feel that adding an 'Explicit' or 'Clop' category is the best way to divide the Mature stories, but even something as simple as allowing readers to filter out Mature stories with sex or gore tags would be a step in the right direction. Thank you for your time.
Teal Deer:
Raunchy comedies with sexual themes and full-fledged pornography are rated differently in the real world for a reason, but they're treated the same here.
For more information on the MPAA's ratings system, please see this informative video from Freakaziod.
Update: I've contacted Knighty via private message and included the text of this blog entry and a link to the blog post itself. That way, Knighty can read all your feedback and not just my personal views. Thank you everyone for voicing your opinions! 
Update: Click here for part two of this discussion.
I support this, I was actually just thinking about it.
How even long winded stories with non-clop oriented sex scenes (think Sagas and book series for mothers and wives, that are unrated and have no age limit it most countries, despite graphic sex) are put together with straight up porn and clop oriented stories of various types, having a mature and an explicit would probably differentiate those two as well. Making it easier to find what you want to read.
The only other tag annoyance I have is people using Other instead of OC because "it's not a bad OC character"
I agree with this completely, this needs to be fixed, and you seem to have a plan instead of just saying it's a problem.
...isn't that what the "sex" tab is for?
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"The problem is readers are currently not able to filter out 'Sex' or 'Gore' marked stories from the rest of the Mature-rated fanfics. Readers are able to filter out categories, like 'Comedy,' 'Dark' and 'Random,' so why can't people also filter out the 'Sex' and 'Gore' from the mature categories?"
This is a good idea, and I support it.
I agree with all of this. At the VERY least we should have the filtering of tags.
L&BBOJ2's audience is rather limited to L&BBOJ1's audience, because it's a sequel that WE know is relatively clean, bu others will never even see it because they're terrified of that checkbox's darker secrets.
I agree some fics are rated mature for their language, others dark cause of gore. With explicit it would get clearer how to categorize fics and what to look for.
I support
I wholeheartedly agree with this entire blog post
You really should talk to Knighty about this. He is completely reasonable and this seems like a very logical solution to his grievances about the more mature comedy stories.There are many members , myself included, that woud support the change to the ratings system.
This makes sense. Bring it up with Knighty.
How is this site "family oriented" the vast majority of the people on this site are bronies and the vast majority of those people are age appropriate and those that aren't I guarantee that they are looking at worse things on the Internet
Applause
Tell em Fluttershy
Those stories I cant read at all.. 
I do wish that we could get more clarity on where stories are.. I mean adult?
Clopfic
Mature
Shipping
no offense but some of the writers here are so good they make Gore stories so ... brain melting
I mean seriously whats the difference between teen and adult anyway
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I've contacted Knighty via private message and included the text of this blog entry and a link to the blog post itself. That way, Knighty can read all your feedback and not just my personal views. Thank you everyone for voicing your opinions!
I concur with this.
Filter options for all the gorn and stuff should be made a priority.
Sorry Bronystories, Equestrian Pie (main character Soarin', no less) has already been created. Here's Mic reading it: http://youtu.be/n8xsECxE5Xk
Oh, and I completely support the updated ratings system you proposed. I see it being very effective, and I see a new genre of fanfic emerging--the likes of which L&BBOJ #1 and Triple X were. Adult comedy, without graphic sex. This has the potential to be very successful, and I look forward to seeing it emerge.
Oh, and good job with the writing and everything. You're a refreshing break from the awful fanfics that come along
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"Sorry Bronystories, Equestrian Pie (main character Soarin', no less) has already been created." -Baromirek
I stand corrected.
When I searched for "Equestrian Pie" on this site, the only result that came back was a story about Pinkie Pie that was appropriate for all ages.
My comments were directed at stories posted to this site, but I acknowledge that there are MLP fanfics beyond FIMfiction.net.
Thanks for the feedback!
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Colgate Does Equestria? Lemme get on that stuff!!!
(Maybe... We'll see... lol) 
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Gore (regardless of type) shouldn’t be considered more apropriate than porn. I hope you do understand that.
what up sad about the MPAA is true but they have slipped once or twice that I know of...In the first Tremors movie Kevin Bacon Yelled fuck twice.
Hey I'm just sayin.
253439Lol so true.
And I have just one thing to say about this blog... We need a petition!
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(The PG-13 rating wasn't introduced by the MPAA until 1984.)
I remember watching the 1976 movie Logan's Run when I was younger. It was rated PG, so imagine my surprise when I saw that the movie contained scenes of sexual orgies and full-frontal male and female nudity.
Even though it's technically rated PG, on IMDb Logan's Run carries a suggested MPAA PG-13 rating for Sci/Fi Violence, Sensuality, Nudity. and some Drug Content. My point is that as time goes on, clearer definitions need to be established. Just like the "PG" banner was too vague for movies in 1976, I feel like the "Mature" banner is too vague for FIMfiction.net today.
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Completely agree with you there.
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I do not like the current styles of content ratings. Especially since my mature checkbox finds some reason to clear while I am looking for stories.
They are also grossly inadequate for content filtration. A better approach would be to have enabled tags to include a blacklist. Preferably, enabling with the default setting of “off” for some of the specifically offensive ones (like clop, gore, fuzzy-bunnie nose-booping, etc).
I'd love to hear knighty's thoughts on the issue.
Until now, the Mature filter has suited me well. Odd Jobs, though, was a story that I initially found while filtering out Mature stories, and even with the original version of chapter 5 it's something that I wouldn't mind seeing during those times when I elect to filter out Mature stories. Obviously Odd Jobs 2 is intended as a more Mature fic, and that's fine. But I'd love to be able to easily filter out stories on the level of Odd Jobs 2 while still being able to see stories on the level of Odd Jobs.
Perhaps rather than introducing another tier, simply being able to quickly filter sex/gore/sexandgore/neither would be useful. I'm not partial to gore on the level of Mature-rated gore, so I could just leave that filtered out indefinitely. However, with a finer filter on the Mature stuff, I could quickly swap between seeing Mature, seeing Mature w/Sex, and not seeing Mature stuff.
I support this idea
I support this with all my... um... gimme a moment... eh... uh... Love? NO!... geh... Friendship?... no... nyeh... Cardgames?... maybe... um... I support this with all my support, as simple as that.
I definitely agree with the ideas in this post and I get what your saying about the explicit category possibly not being endearing to people who already don't look at bronies in a positive light as well. Overall it would be a good differentiation to have for those who want to make it easier to find one or the other though.
Even though everyone else's that i have read completely agrees with this more feedback always helps and i definitely agree that this should be done. Though not as shocking as what happened to you since this is just reading every once in awhile i will be reading thinking it is just adult humor and then BAM a head just exploded. Though that is an exaggeration this new system would definitely be amazing to help me when im feeling
or when im feeling 
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I basically agree. Honestly I don't see why minor depictions of sex/sex humor gets a mature rating and depictions of serious violence gets PG-13, though that's more of an overall social issue. Killing is more acceptable than sex for teens to see. Egad! Anyway, I would probably always choose to display all categories and just skim over the stuff that looks truly bad, but I think these options would be helpful to some people.
Then again, just about anyone who understands sexual comedy is well educated about the act itself. Still, you do have a good point.
I wholy(How dafuq do u spell it?!?!?!) support this movement.I entirely agree even if I personally will have both checked.
On a side note.I think the fact that you actually are trying to help this community shows how much you care.It's great writers like you that inspire ponies like me. Keep writing dude cuz you da man
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This is how you argue points folks: Perfectly valid analogies to past occurances of the same problem.
You make some good points. I get annoyed sometimes where I'm searching for clop and non-clop mature stories get thrown into the search and vice verse.
Agreed! like some stories with lots of gore and violence shouldn't even bee teen, but young adult and 16+ rating's. as such maybe an under mature theres an older teen rating too. but we defiantly need at least one more rating in there!
I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment you expressed in this post. I feel that towards the more mature side of the rating scale there is a lack of clarity and the ratings system could be refined to address this. Being able to have mature on and yet filter for sex/gore would be a positive change - like you said, we can filter on and off for the other topics, the ability to do so here would be a nice improvement.
Agree, but do the admins already know about this?
Completely agree; IMO there's a difference between "Suggestive Themes/Sexual Humor" and "Pornography/Clop." One is funny and overall amusing, the other is, well, clop material.
Actually, both are clop material; is there ANYTHING you people (see: Internet) haven't clopped to? dl.dropbox.com/u/31471793/FiMFiction/emoticons/shrug_Derpy_Hooves.png
Putting the two together, or putting a 'Mature' label on it in general, is ridiculous. L&BBOJ1? Teen; it has suggestive themes and sexual humor. But it's lighthearted, and not intensive full-out sex. There is plenty worse that teenagers have seen (see: Internet) than something they most likely joke about daily with friends anyways. L&BBOJ2? I can see it being Mature. It has definite (albeit extremely hilarious) "pornography," if you could even call it that, on top of the suggestive themes and sexual humor.
Back onto my original topic. ... Yeah. They should really just make two separate groups for "ST/SH" and "P/C." It'd save a lot of headaches and unwanted sights, while still allowing more choice for humor.
Agree/Support.
No, I completely disagree. There's no need to add additional complexity to the current system. Is it a comedy with adult themes? Mark it Mature:Sex and Comedy. There doesn't need to be a separate "Adult Comedy" tag any more than there needs to be a separate "Romantic Comedy" tag. The maturity rating describes the content of the story, not the intent--that's what the real story tags are for. We don't need descriptive duplication.
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Thank you very much for your feedback. It's good to get some perspective from one of the more illustrious authors on the site.
Drawing parallels between how films are rated and how fanfics should be rated was one of the main points of conversation. Hailing from England, you're the perfect person to weigh in on this discussion, as your country's movie ratings system varies wildly from that of America's rating system.
The British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) currently has these ratings:
'U' Universal, suitable for all
'PG' Parental Guidance
'12' Suitable for 12 years and over
'12A' Inappropriate for younger audiences
'15' Suitable for 15 years and over
'18' Suitable only for adults
'R18' Hardcore pornography
While the Motion Picture Association of America has these ratings:
'G' General audiences
'PG' Parental guidance suggested
'PG-13' Parents strongly cautioned
'R' Restricted
'NC-17' No-one 17 and under admitted
In the United States, children can see R-rated movies when accompanied by an adult. The the only film category that kids are prohibited from seeing in U.S. cinemas are ‘NC-17’ films, which is roughly the equivalent of the U.K. ‘18’ rating. (Information courtesy the Students' British Board of Film Classification)
However, a major difference between these two "adult-only" categories is their marketability. The MPAA has stated that ‘NC-17' does not mean “obscene” or “pornographic" and should not be treated as such. The rating simply means that the content is appropriate for adult audiences only. In spite of this, movie distributors view the NC-17 rating as commercial death at the box office. Studios will frequently fight the decision, and often make whatever cuts are required by the board to achieve the much more financially desirable R-rating, and thus reach a far wider audience.
Due to the stigma associated with the rating, many large U.S. retailers refuse to stock ‘NC-17’ DVDs. Some critics of this policy have noted the irony that the same stores will sometimes sell 'Unrated' versions of movies that would probably have received an ‘NC-17’ rating had the distributor presented the film before the MPAA for classification.
The situation is very different in the UK, where an ‘18’ rating is certainly not perceived as disadvantageous, or threatens the commercial success for a film. Indeed, many makers of horror/thriller type works hope to receive an ‘18’ classification to validate their claims of ‘scariness.’ In addition, a retail or rental outlet would not refuse to stock an ‘18’ rated DVD or Blu-ray, and no cinema chains in the U.K. refuse to show ‘18’ rated films.
I could go on ad nauseum about how sex and violence are rated differently between the two ratings systems, but I'll just share one particularly notable example. In Mike Leigh’s comic biography of composers Gilbert and Sullivan, Topsy-Turvy (1999), the film was rated ‘R’ in the U.S., because of a single, comic scene of two topless women impersonating marionettes in a historical burlesque-type routine, in what might possibly be a Paris brothel. The rating reason provided was ‘A scene of risqué nudity’. The BBFC decided to pass the same film with a ’12’ rating. ( the ‘12A’ rating wasn't created until 2002, otherwise it would have received that instead) Accompanying the '12' rating was consumer advice indicating the film contained ‘single instances of nudity, drug use and strong language’. The BBFC considered that the context of the burlesque world inhabited by the composers in their line of work, and the lack of any overtly sexual overtone, allowed this scene to be contained at a lower category, given it was an isolated incident in a work not aimed at children.
The point of all this is that just like the 'NC-17' rating for U.S, cinemas, the Mature rating on this site carries a stigma. Without a way to filter out Mature stories tagged with "Sex" or "Gore" tags, too many Mature rated stories that have no explicit content are getting lost amongst the clopfics and gornfics. I'm not advocating separate tags for "adult comedy" or "romantic comedy." I'm just saying we need a ratings system that doesn't try to fit "stories appropriate for adult audiences" in the same box with "hardcore pornography."
I agree on the point with the re-clarification of FIMFiction.net's rating system. Similar to your idea of what each rating entails,...
"Everyone: No offensive content. Appropriate for all ages.
Teen: Themes more appropriate for older audiences, but no adult content or strong sexual humor.
Mature: Everything else."
... only from FIMFiction.net's perspective regarding what each rating "means." I definitely agree that the mature rating could be defined by possibly splitting it into two different ratings, one being more 'mature' than the other. An "Adult Comedy" tag could help as well, as many readers would turn away from anything rated mature, while some of those same readers may remained unmoved by a fic rated mature if the reason for it being rated mature was defined by an "Adult Comedy" tag, thus helping writers reach a wider audience.
Just my opinion. It's bound to differ from other's opinions. Also, I am not one of the "illustrious authors" on this site, mainly a reader; although, I'm attempting writing for the first time. So far, little feedback... and so I write this short bio at the bottom of my comment, which includes my legitimate opinion, in a futile, selfish, and pitiful attempt to raise my number of viewers and hopefully attain more feedback on how good/bad I am at writing.
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I can see where you're coming from, but I still disagree. The maturity rating system is not and should not be one that describes the intent of the author, merely how far they go. In that case, then *yes*, adult comedy should be rated as explicit, because it *is*. There is no reason to give it a free pass simply because the explicit descriptions are a vehicle for humour rather than erotica, because that's not what the maturity system exists to classify. There's no need to introduce a more complex classification system into this, and certainly the moderation team are kept busy enough with the current flood of stories/video games that adding classification on top of that is a complete non-starter.
I can appreciate wanting more specific handling for the sort of thing you write, but I think it's ultimately quite misguided. If somebody is looking for adult comedies then Mature:Sex/Comedy is where they want to be, and if they were completely against adult content to the point the mature tag held a stigma for them... then they wouldn't be reading adult comedies. We cannot possibly individually classify every possible genre and subgenre, nor should we try.
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As I read your response, I realized that I may have been the wrong person to champion a revised ratings initiative. People glance at my stories and see that a majority of them are explicit clopfics. They can't comprehend why I would take issue with the status quo.
"Why do you care about changing the ratings system?" they might ask, "Including a distinction for non-explicit mature stories wouldn't affect you, since you write clopfics."
The changes I'm proposing wouldn't affect me that much, because this isn't about me. I can go about happily updating an explicit story like 120 Days of Blueblood and not bat an eye, knowing that with very few exceptions, anything can be said or done in it. The Mature rating has hardly any content restrictions.
To make a comparison, let's say I worked as a porn director in an alternate universe where America had a ratings system similar to the one currently on this site. Films had one umbrella rating that encompassed everything from 'R' to 'XXX' films. Something is wrong when my hardcore porn is sharing a rating with films such as Schindler's List. Alien and The King's Speech.
The proposed changes are to help the people who enjoy reading and writing mature stories that contain no explicit material by including a way to filter out clop from searches.
However, it's not essential to make a massive change, when a small one could help. Mature stories can be given "sex" and/or "gore" tags. Would you be in favor of allowing people to filter out stories marked with sex or gore when they search mature stories?
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I'm not saying "Why do you care?"
Far from it, those of us who use the system to its limits are the only ones who can truly see them. I wouldn't trust anybody but a mature writer to comment on the status quo.
Your hardcore porn doesn't share space with Alien, unless you and I watched a very different film. I suppose at a stretch you could say Mature:Gore, but then the gore wasn't explicit and the film is praised for atmosphere and tension, not visuals. In either case, rating it Mature:Sex would be a gross misuse of the system.
The maturity rating is not about intent. Whether the explicit sexual descriptions are there for erotica, comedy, atmosphere, tension, shock value, artistic metaphors, introspection, character development, or any of the infinite spectrum of what you could be doing with it, it is still explicitly sexual, and should be marked as such. If Adult Comedies start getting their own section segregated away from what you don't want them near, then what else should? Where does it end? Mature:Sex and Comedy already denotes an adult comedy just as well, and has the advantage of being part of an existing system that can describe if not all, a majority of stories, through a combination of two separate metrics--combining them would NOT help matters. It would make classifying adult comedies slightly easier, but then other stories start to feel like second class citizens, and thus need their own section. End result, a minor increase in whether an author feels they've been tagged right and a massive increase in complexity, not to mention the implementation and maintenance costs.
Just because an adult comedy does not have "His ding-dong rocketed into her vajayjay with the force of a million sonic rainbooms" in it doesn't make the themes any less explicit. Explicitness, ironically, can be implicit. A sliding scale from "Sorta Explicit" to "Hardcore Horse Sex" would make it easier to classify stories, but with the downside of being impossible to police, hell to manage or maintain, harder to understand for users (Who, judging by existing tagging standards, already don't actually get it), and so on. Every system is a balance between expressiveness and ease of use, and while adding complexity can sometimes increase the former it never increases the latter.
We already can filter searches by Mature:Sex and Mature:Gore. Given that it's a binary choice, searching for one implicitly filters out the other. What functionality exactly is missing from that?
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"We already can filter searches by Mature:Sex and Mature:Gore. Given that it's a binary choice, searching for one implicitly filters out the other. What functionality exactly is missing from that?"
"Mature Categories" gives you the option to search for stories tagged with "Mature:Sex" "Mature:Gore" or "Mature:All." Searching for "Sex" will filter out "Gore" and vice versa, unless a story is tagged with both. Then it appears in either search.
If you look at the search page, you'll notice that the "Categories" and "Mature Categories" are set up differently. Categories gives you an option to check the types of stories you want included in your search, while marking an 'x' over the genres of stories you want excluded from your search. There is currently nothing like this in place that would allow people to exclude mature stories marked with sex or gore tags.
Just as the Categories section allows you to filter out dark or sad stories from your search, people should be allowed to filler out stories with the "Mature:Sex" or "Mature:Gore" tags, which they currently are not able to do. The ability to filter out stories marked for Mature levels of sex and gore would go a long ways towards what I'm trying to accomplish.
My goal is for people to be able to find Mature rated stories, while filtering out other Mature stories marked with "Mature:Sex" and/or "Mature:Gore" tags.
Thank you you your feedback.
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That seems purely theoretical, is there any story marked both? Certainly a tiny minority. It hardly seems like a big enough reason to require a rating overhaul.
There's no need to support filtering /out/ sex or gore when the two are so rarely seen together.
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"There's no need to support filtering /out/ sex or gore when the two are so rarely seen together."
It's not about the small number of stories that are both tagged with mature sex and gore. We need to give people the option to filter out stories with sex and/or gore tags. When all clop and gore is omitted from the search results, then all that's left are mature stories without explicit content.
People who avoid clop on this site do it at the expense of mature-rated stories as a whole. I think we could get more adults reading mature fanfics if there was an easy way to filter out the clopfics. I believe if we do this, it will get more people reading non-explicit, Mature-rated stories.
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Either it's explicit enough to warrant the sex tag or it's not, I'm not sure where this middle ground is coming from. "Mature fanfics" aren't something to be put on a special pedestal, they're just another part of the spectrum, why the special-casing? Either it's explicit, and needs the rating, or it's not.
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You can publish Mature-rated stories without adding a sex or gore tag. If a story has explicit content of a sexual nature, it should be rated mature with a sex tag; the thing is, not all mature stories posted here have explicit sex or gore. Some of them are just mature stories; but there's currently no easy way to find mature stories without getting all the mature sex and gore-tagged stories as well.
The first thing to do to fix this is require all clop to have the "sex" tag and all graphically violent stories be given the "gore" tag. Once that's done, if we give people the option to filter out sex and gore, then all that will be left in their search results are clopless and goreless mature stories. That's something I feel is missing from the site.
The only way I can see filtering sex and gore from mature searches being unnecessary is if no one on the site has any interest in reading a mature story that doesn't have a sex or gore tag.
If that's the case, then we need to let writers know that if they want their mature story to be easier to find in a search, they need to make sure that it's either an ultraviolent story with a gore tag, or a clopfic with a sex tag. Because if it doesn't have either of those mature tags, the story can only be searched for amongst the clop and gore fics.
Again, I appreciate your feedback and I hope I was able to explain why I feel like this would be an improvement to the site.
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How would you define a mature story that had neither themes of sex nor extreme violence?