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Fallout: Equestria on FIMFiction · 1:36pm Jun 1st, 2013

There have been a high volume of requests for me to put Fallout: Equestria on FIMFiction. To date, I have chosen not to do so. I have three primary reasons for this.

First, I am concerned with creating discrepancies or errors in the process. In particular, I do not want to accidentally fail to copy a paragraph or section of the story. Likewise, I am worried that there would be formatting errors, overlooked italics, and so forth. I do not want multiple versions of the story to exist, or to otherwise alter the story in any way. Especially now, after Fallout: Equestria has been translated into foreign languages and made into physical copy at great fan expense.

Second, we all know there is a small but very vocal part of the brony community which harbors resentment and loathing for this fanfic and the acclaim it has received, and I don't want to create another hotspot for flame wars and disreputable brony behavior.

Third, I question whether putting the story here would serve any real purpose. The story isn't lacking exposure. And I feel that it is easy enough for people who want to read Fallout: Equestria to find it, given that it is available on Equestria Daily, in pdf and e-reader form on DeviantArt, and even as an audiobook on YouTube.

However, I wanted to (at least temporarily) open up a forum here for feedback and discussion regarding the possibility of putting Fallout: Equestria on FIMFiction. I'd like to hear your thoughts and opinions, and re-evaluate my decision.

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I'm cool with it staying on GDocs. Another thing you'd have to consider is how people would react to FO:E dominating the feature box for ages (which, let's face it, it would)

I've got it as a pdf. I'm set

...While reading it on GDocs is fine, it, for whatever reason, makes my computer slower than hell. It would be nice if you did put it on FIM, but if you don't I understand

In my opinion it would be a great idea. :twilightsmile:

Not only is this site pretty much the central resource for pony fanfiction, it's got a great reading interface, with the adjustable fonts, backgrounds and text and line sizes. And a lot of people would love to be able to put what is undoubtedly the greatest fanfiction ever on their favourites lists.

As for the haters, there will always be haters, and the site has a comment rating system made for shutting down flamewars that may arise.

And for formatting errors, I'm sure there's a hundred people or more willing to help you go over the story before hitting the publishing button.

So I say, go for it. :rainbowdetermined2:

If you feel like it would be too much of a hassle (which is pretty much what you are saying, and I agree 100% with you on that) then do not do it. As you have said, it's everywhere, and if people can't find one way to read it than there are other ways they can read it. Though while I like FiMfiction's formatting I don't think Fallout: Equestria should be here if it makes your life that much harder to get it here.

You are also correct, there is a lot of resentment towards the Fallout: Equestria community. Especially towards the side-fics and main story. Putting it here may make some people upset as they don't like the story too much. (I'm not sure why, it's amazing.)

My thoughts, though rest with you keeping it off of FiMfiction. As I know doing so will save you from having to struggle to fix, and edit the whole thing. Keeping off of the site will also keep those who hate Fallout: Equestria from flaming/trolling it out of their hate for the fic. But, as you have said before you've made it widely available to read. I think keeping it off FiMfiction will be okay. :twilightsmile:

- Noakwolf

I am also mostly on the point of performance. Reading it on my machine is fine, but it regularly likes to crash or lag out slower computers and handhelds.
Another thing is that, when too many people are looking at one chapter, you can't even download it. FIMfiction on the other hand is more stable, runs faster and gives you a better handling of the story overall.

Other than that, I pretty much agree on your points Kkat.

I think the deviant PDF links are dead, but you can always get the e-reader version from the PonyFictionVault.

As for missing an italics:
http://www.textfixer.com/html/convert-word-to-html.php
That usually helps me with uploading. I just ctrl-A/C the whole chapter in there, then put the code into a .txt doc where I remove the paragraph tags and change the carrots into brackets.

However, I do have to agree that it is already one of the most famous stories in the fandom. It does not need exposure, and posting it would only take up the feature box. Past Sins took the box over for the better part of a week. FO:E would probably remain up there for longer (unless you could talk the staff into somehow blocking it from entering the feature box and blocking other stories that don't have any exposure...)

Hmm. Difficult.

There's a few works from the Gdoc era of ponyfic that I really wish would show up on Fimfiction, because having to look up an EqD archive or rummage through Gdoc folders every time I want a re-read is a right pain in the ass. FO:E isn't like that: I've got a pdf version on my computer and an epub on my nexus. If I want to re-read FO:E, I already can; I agree with you that uploading it to Fimfiction does little to increase either readability or exposure.

At the same time, you probably will continue to be nagged about it for a considerable time into the future. There's also the fact that Fimfiction is, and will probably continue to be, the Brony Mecca for fanfiction. FO:E is the My Little Pony fanfic. It is kinda strange to not have it on the pony fanfiction site.

I'm not entirely sure if a flame-war would develop either. As far as I'm aware, Past Sins managed to make it up here without having any significant backlash attached to it, and that one's always been more of a hot issue than FO:E. Likewise with the worries over various versions existing: the foreign language versions will have alterations in meaning through their very nature, and typos are to be expected in any version of any work: their presence shouldn't significantly affect the final product. So whilst I can't see any deal-cinching benefits, I can't see any deal-breakers either.

It's difficult. I can't see why you shouldn't do it, but I can't see why you'd want to do it either.

Hello Kkat!

I know you may not remember me, but I hope I speak for as many people in the FoE fanbase as possible when I say that putting it here would be a great blessing. Not only does it allow us easy and quick internet-access to the story and specific chapters, it also saves us the need to download files. Also, and I think many people have come to the same feeling, we trust FiM as our quick, easy access to stories. I mean, sure, there's ponyfiction archive and stuff, but the interface here is just so much user-friendly.

-- Delvius, a great fan.

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That seems like a very good solution. Considering the size of the fic and everything around it. It shouldn't be much of a problem to contact the mods to keep it from reducing feature box space for a fortnight.

Do whatever you feel is right, if you really do not feel it needs to be put up on fimfiction, then do not put it up.

Your correct that theres already a ton of ways to read it. Whats one more? I think we'll all agree with whatever you decide to do.

You are correct in many of those reasons you listed. A lot of us who post side stories on here get down voted by people who don't like the setting. I'm sure the original would get a quite a bit itself. Still, I'd get just as much support as well.

Errors in translation from one formate to another? Yeah, most diffently going to happen. I failed to notice that for about ten chapters of my own story. Yay... wall o text. Ugh... just have to edit it again before posting to find those errors. Also G Docs seems to like to save bold, italics and the like even after you erased the words. Its annoying, but can be fixed with effort.

Lasty... Kkat... *squee*

:facehoof:

I regreat nothing!!!

Well, I can think of several pros and cons to add the story to this site. It would be nice adding it to this site, as people who are unable to use Google Docs or PDF due to not having required software/internet laws of their country/wrong web browser could read it here. We could also read it in the fancy text styles and stuff that Knighty added, such as reading it in the style of Twilight's mane or simply have a pixelated Dashie fly in front of an exciting part of the story you were reading and get frustrated with it.:rainbowwild:

However, to keep the story as crisp as it currently is, with all them italics and bold font (back in my day, we didn't even have fonts on computers, yer young'uns!) then it would take days to go though and add every single font tag, and you'll end up getting tired of doing it. Fallout Equestria has a lot of words, and probably more letters then there are Humans on this planet twice over. Not to mention it will steal the top feature and popular spot for weeks, but that happens constantly so that's not a big concern really.

There are many reasons to add and not to add Fallout Equestria to this site. But in the end, the choice is up to you, just remember that in doing so, will definitely be a lot of work and would sure open up a can of worms, mainly fans bombarding you with PMs about their spin offs and such.

Also, I had totally forgot that I was watching you...:twilightoops:

While I would love to see the story on fimfiction, I agree with you, it would be an arduous process to get the story up here and I am concerned about the conflict that will occur (both in the comment section of the story and out) if it is put up. As for the exposure part of it... well I found out about this awesome story from someone who was trying to put the story down (harshly), so I really don't know if putting it up would help a huge amount, but I doubt it would hurt it's exposure. Ultimately its your decision though. (but I did also hear talk that the mods on EQD may or may not be planning to purge anything that doesn't fit their standards from their archives and since FE contains violence and was mentioned as an example... well I don't know I might be wrong)
:unsuresweetie:

btw I love your story!!:pinkiehappy::twilightsmile:

Fallout Equestria has inspired so many people its exposure is in no doubt. Leaving it where it is seems a wise decision, as I have personally experienced the white-hot rage of those who dislike the fandom around the fic. It totally deserves a place on the site as the founder of so much literary effort and joy, but perhaps the resulting shitstorm is not worth weathering. Whoops, there goes my worthless opinion again.

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The DeviantArt account that Equestria Daily links for the Fallout: Equestria pdf/ereader is dead. Or, more precisely, it was moved to another account. They should be easy enough to find, but you would have to do a search for it. :scootangel:

I'm not familiar with how the feature box works. If Fallout: Equestria would dominate the feature box entirely, I would consider that a major problem, as it would prevent new authors from getting a chance to be noticed. If, however, it would just take up one spot on a considerably larger list, that is much less of an issue -- and having it on such a list for a few days before requesting a block would be a nice way to inform bronies not watching this account that the story was now available here. :derpytongue2:

If you'd rather not that is fine. However I think it may be a good idea to put a placeholder story under your account with all the links and what not.

I believe that you have done more than your part in inspiring writers to continue their projects. However, it is also a unavoidable fact that if you post this on FimFic.net it will harbor another wave of good fanfiction attempts, because the as long as the fandom knows that you are still active, they will be contempt. Another quick thing is the fact that NOT having this story on FimFic.net is like not having the Big Mac at McDonalds, it has received stardom status like My Little Dashie.
:trollestia:

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It would be possible to contact Knighty or Wanderer D or some other mod to discuss keeping it out of the feature box. The story would still probably show up on the Popular Stories list down to the right, under the news box.

I for one believe you should put it in only if it is not a hassle to you.

It would only take up one slot in the feature box so its not that big a deal.

As for the people who does not like the story, let them be. While its impossible to please everybody that should be a reason to hold yourself back! :twilightsmile:

The true problem would be the actual transfer and the possible errors that will come with it. Still like what was already said, a lot of people will be more than willing to help. :pinkiehappy:

Whatever you decide I simply wish to thank you for such a great story you've shared with all of us! :yay:

Personally, I think you should upload a story with the links to all the chapters, and maybe post some fan art in there as well just to make it seem less small. That way, not only would you get a lot more readers, but I would have the chance to favourite it, like it, and put it in my favourite stories box here on FiMfiction. I'd like to give it the recognition it deserves :twilightsheepish:. I'm sure the mods would make an exception to the "1000 word minimum and the actual story must be posted here" rule, mainly because I'm sure they would understand how difficult it would be to move it here. Besides, having your story here would raise traffic to the site. Ad revenue for them! It's a win-win!

EDIT: Oh, I forgot to add, I love you! :twilightblush: :heart:

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Not going to lie, I squeed when I saw the notification that you replied to me.

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I have to agree. Even before I started reading fanfiction or even thought about it, as soon as I joined the fandom, FO:E and MLD seemed to imprint themselves into my subconscious. They are what inspired me to try writing again.

If posting it here means that you inspire another person to write, then I think that would out weigh all of the negative comments it might receive.

Thank you Kkat, for reminding me that I enjoy writing (even if I'm not very good at it).

My gut response is hell yes, but the process of getting it here may be more trouble than it's worth.

I don't really see the featured box as a problem. It has 10 slots (7 for new stories, 3 for updates), so FoE taking the top slot for a few days isn't going to inconvenience very many people.

I say go for it. It'll only take one slot on the featured box for a time, and giving people more options is never a bad thing.

And as to making sure everything trandfers right, I'm sure you'll have plenty of people willing to help you with that if you want.:raritywink:

Being THE biggest story in the fandom, it is a bit odd for it not to be on the site. But ultimately it's up to you.

I personally believe that the story is fine where it is at, and anyone who doesn't know where it is at would have no real problem finding it if they really wanted, as just about anyone in the fandom can answer that question for them.

If you believe it would do better to stay out of Fimfiction, that would be your choice, and I can respect that. Your reasoning sounds good, in any case. Perhaps the only purpose to putting it on here would be to get additional followers, but you have a large chunk of the fandom already and so it wouldn't serve much more purpose.

So again, I just say it's your choice, and from the sound of it, you already have your mind mostly made up on that.

Have yourself a wonderful, interesting day! :twilightsmile:

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I'm not 100% sure about this, but I heard a while ago that there is a limit to how long a story can stay in the top 7/10ths of the featured box (4 days I believe). If this isn't the case, I'm sure it would be possible to contact the mods and ask them to remove it/keep it out of the featured box.

Also, as has been stated above, while it is relatively easy to get hold of Fo:E in your preferred format, Fimfiction is the main centre for all Brony Fanfiction currently, has been for a while, and probably will continue to be for some time for reasons such as a very reader friendly system. Fo:E is probably the most famous brony fanfiction around, if not one of the most famous fanfiction written.

Another thing that has been said is that you'll probably be pestered about posting it here if you don't, then again, people will find something to pester you about regardless.

Also, Kkat... :yay:

I think it would be a great idea to put FoE on here. As per reasoms listed above things could go wrong, and there are haters who think you're an egotist that looks down on people. Not naming any names, but some of my friends here really don't like you. The sad part is they claim to love and tolerate yet they don't give you a chance.

Anyway, this was the first fiction I ever read. It was a little after season two's end and I had an OBSESSIVE... I don't know how to describe it, but I just had to have more ponies, and when I found your fic...wow I hadn't been that excited about anything like that before. (this is making me want to go back and read it again) I want it here so that I can see how popular it can be.


I'm not just here to rave about how much I love you and your fic, I have a point.
Like you said once in an authors help group, go for it, do your best, and don't let the haters affect you. I think you should take your own advice. (That wasn't word for word, but I think it had the same effect.)
If you need help editing, there are probably hundreds willing to do what you want.

Kkat #28 · Jun 1st, 2013 · · ·

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If posting it here means that you inspire another person to write, then I think that would out weigh all of the negative comments it might receive.

This is the single strongest reason to post the story here. :pinkiesmile:

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I thought the feature box was programmed to have a time limit? At least, to my knowledge, it doesn't let a story remain on it for too long. Correct me if I'm wrong.

FoE is so popular that they're making a mod to put on the pc for Fallout 3!
Do you have a hand in that Project Kkat? If you don't, I think a lot of people would like it if you would. (Sort of as an advisor/director, to get everything perfect)

Random question, who is your favorite, Luna or Celestia?
Mine is Luna, I like characters that are socially awkward, probably because I feel like I'm one of them.

Fallout Equestria is directly responsible for my friendship with some of the best people I've ever met. Without it, I would have had far fewer friends during my freshman year of college, and I would have been a very sad brony indeed.

That said, I don't think the italics will be too much of an issue, since you can upload it directly from GDocs, and that keeps all the italics and formatting you already have. No problemo.

So, please, put FO:E up on FiMFiction. It would be the greatest thing to grace its pages.

1118178 I've heard horror stories from authors about the gdocs importer here, so in order to make sure everything's exactly the same would probably require a side-by-side comparison for each chapter (which wouldn't take THAT long if we had enough willing editors)

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Oh, yeah, there's that, too!
I had auditioned for it, but was rejected... An unfortunate failure... Oh, well. At least it gave me one more video on my Youtube page.

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Eesh, I hadn't heard about that. I've personally never had any trouble with it...

Further to all the points raised beforehand, it would also make reading it an easier task for me. I've had it in PDF for a while now, and for most of that time it's just been sitting in its folder whilst I cower from it in awe. :twilightblush: In an effort to actually get it read, I've recently had the bright idea of putting it on my phone (Blackberry Curve, darling :duck:) and reading it there as well. All that being said, however, I'm on FIMFiction every day, and having it here with all the rest of the fics I want to read would be very handy (not to mention making it easier to remember where I've reached :facehoof:).

In short, I would say go for it, I think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. :eeyup:

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What'd you volunteer for?
I didn't try to get in, but that's because I have no time to do stuff anymore.
Just two weeks ago I said I was going to start making music, but life intervened, and now I'm busier than ever before.

1118182 maybe it's because you're not using very advanced formatting, or it's been improved as of late? Even if it did convert perfectly, it would still be wise to do a read through to make sure it did import perfectly

It doesn't need the exposure, in my opinion. Gdocs is perfectly fine, and this is coming from an Opera user, which is pretty incompatible with pretty much everything. It just sounds like a lot of work for extra, unnecessary exposure. However, I think it would give the Fo:E fandom a good kick in the ass for a bit, and maybe some good stories would pop up following a Fimfiction post. I consider myself an 'eh' kind of fan: I liked your story, but none of the countless spin-offs.

Haters are pretty negligible, all things considered. It's the fans you gotta worry about, or rather how they handle them. It reminds of a YT channel called Retsupurae, who riff over videos. They have a pretty bad problem of their fans hunting down the LPers they make fun of and harassing them. Just make every one of your fans make a blood oath to not be morons, then you're good.

You did say you didn't want to change the fic, but maybe you should? It'd be like a 'remastered' Fo:E, so to speak. Still, it's hard to argue that reposting it here would be mostly pointless.

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Voice actor. Unfortunately, I've only recently realized that my laptop's built-in mic is better than the one I bought specifically for voice acting.

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That's true... Editors, ho? :unsuresweetie:

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The algorithm makes it very difficult to stay in the feature box beyond a certain length of time, true, but can be overcome with sufficient activity (comments, views, likes, etc)

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Yeah, it should be pretty easy to ask one of the mods to keep it out of the feature box.

I'm just worried a similar thing would happen to when Past Sins was put on Fimfic. Got a lot of hate, for the wrong reasons (don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of that story in the slightest, but if you're going to dislike something, do it for legitimate reasons)

Well, it may be taken down from EqD someday, due to the new bullshit rules.

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I doubt Seth would do that. Still, which rules are those? :rainbowderp:

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...Seth's rules? Some time ago it was stated that EqD would be "family-friendly", and it's not accepting any stories rated higher than T (I think).
This puts the post in which FoE is at risk.

While I am understanding your reason to not post the story on here, I myself would actually be a supporter to see the story here on FIMFiction. There are a few reasons for this.

1. I myself am a FIMfiction user and read all my fan-fiction goodies here. It is a great place that has a variety of options to sort and all the like. When I was a brony, all I did was sit here on the site and just explore for stories. Thankfully I found EQD and subsequently Fallout: Equestria, but if I never did just go out and explore, I never would have found the story that initiated the spark for me to start writing. I believe that if it was posted om FIMfiction, there would be a flood of new users to see it and possibly read it. There will be backlash, yes, but the slip-side would also just be as huge with new people wanting to create their own stories within the universe or expand on it like I am.

2. There are a few people that are less fortunate to own a very down-graded computer that cannot even open up Google Documents (or Drive) to view and read the story. I was sort of shocked to see it at one person, but there were more that just would not load even the intro document. They could read the story here if it was posted. I know there are PDF formats and all the like, but I am not certain they would have enough space or even want to download it. If the story was posted here, those poor people could finally have an opportunity to read the actual story for the first time without have any lag issues/Internet problems/downloading.

I am certainly not saying you have to follow this, but I would like to see it on here. Will I be hurt if it isn't? Of course not because I am just looking out for the other souls with this comment. I have many friends that would love to see it on here, but it is always your final verdict.

P.S. I thought there was an option to import Google Document files onto here without any quarks?

I don't think you would get many, if any, new readers into it, because of all of the exposure it does have. It would just be old fans reading through it again, and those who don't like your work, for whatever reason, blowing up the comment section about how FO:E doesn't deserve the praise it has received. So I would think it best to not put it up. And since I am commenting I want to ask this, why isn't there more from you?

Kkat #48 · Jun 1st, 2013 · · ·

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I've been working with the FoE community on a fanmade Fallout: Equestria tabletop roleplaying game. :rainbowdetermined2:

Hello.

I have a few alternative thoughts for you.

First, I am concerned with creating discrepancies or errors in the process.

The story is already on Google Docs and can be imported directly into fimfiction. If you would want people to look over it and you can set a password to allow select individuals to view it and provide corrections, thus allowing a team to make sure everything translated correctly and identically. Note that the formatting is never perfect but is usually limited to spacing between paragraphs.

Second, we all know there is a small but very vocal part of the brony community which harbors resentment and loathing for this fanfic and the acclaim it has received, and I don't want to create another hotspot for flame wars and disreputable brony behavior.

People who dislike the fic will dislike it and most flamers have already flamed out. The opposite argument can be made as well, it would be another forum for people who enjoy the fic to express themselves. There are way more people who love it than hate it.

All know and many unknown authors here have to deal with flamers. It comes with the territory. If you don't want to deal with it anymore that is a valid concern. But if you worry about others having to deal with it, that is their problem. They don't have to comment or favorite it, and if they do the vast vast majority know that they open themselves up to trolling. And Trolling on fimfiction is not really that bad. It's probably better than it was when you posted the story on EQD.

So remember you not wanting hateful comments is perfectly valid, not wanting to let others who voluntarily put themselves out there get into arguments is not and deciding that for them is not fair to them.

Third, I question whether putting the story here would serve any real purpose.

Going back to your second point. Another location for the story allows access for all the fans. Additionally a lot of people only use fimfiction and don't go out of their way for other sites. There are other points bellow that I make based on other comments.

I agree with 1118022 it would dominate the feature box. However you could ask for it to be taken down after 7 days to be fair to others which is something that might be implemented anyway.

1118028 has a good point in that readers can adjust the text to their preference for their own enjoyment.

1118031 I agree with because Gdocs does not work with some interfaces and the pdf version takes extra effort to find and doesn't really work on smartphones. A minority of people also object to anything Google related and gdocs auto signs you in which can lead to a violation of privacy whereas Fimfiction can be used without even having an account.

In addition Gdocs is really hard to sort through, fimfiction makes that a lot easier. It is also easier for fans to post your story in a favorites or recommended section in their home page. There is a lot more love for your fic than hate and a lot of people would love to put in on their fimfiction recommended list. This helps grow the community and people can connect over your story.


Lastly, as someone who follows stats for MLP Fan Fiction, I would love to be able to acquire data that can't be gathered by gdocs. Your story and project horizons are the only two stories that I rate highly that aren't on fimfiction. Fimfiction gets more hits a day than EQD during the "re-run" season and this will likely pass EQD during season 4 (it did periodically through season 3). EQD isn't really followed for fan fiction though they are thinking about implementing improvements. In fact a lot of people refuse to follow EQD because the disagree with their fan fiction policies. (Which I think is really weird but it's their opinion.)

So unless you don't want to deal with hate and spam (there will be a lot of love span in addition to hate) put it on. You can download it to fimfiction straight from Gdocs. You can also use another account name if you don't want the current one to be bombarded with messages making it hard for you to follow what you want.

And trust me, you can get help with formatting. Sometimes importing causes problems depending on how you imported the document but hundreds would volunteer to help and you can ask those that you trust.

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They don't accept new stories. Technically a number of stories already violate their old rules. I actually know of 2 clops that are on EQD. 1 I could go to right now and I don't even know the title.

Also they wouldn't drop FOE. The tag Fall Out Equestria is about 2% of their search hits and it goes so far beyond the fic within the community. Add to that subsequent searches and you probably get 3%.

Also I believe they stated that no old stories would be dropped.

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