I'm a long time science fiction and animation fan who stumbled into My Little Pony fandom and got caught -- I guess I'm a Brony Forever now.
Alternate Universe, early YOH 1504 - same continuity as An Epistolary Legal Consultation Between Princesses
You were just a normal guy who couldn't get a good job and you wound up working at a chain store and a mad scientist sent you to this weird world of talking little ponies and there's no porn! Help!
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..... That cover image is like kryptonite.
Okay then. You may have done too good a job with Charlie. I find him downright execrable. If nothing else, at least his tales of our achievements will demonstrate that he isn't a representative sample of humanity. And I have to wonder why he appears to be writing in the second person.
Again, it should be interesting to see where you go with this.
Must... resist... urge... to... slap.
Post read edit:
Ok, so it's a prequel to Stuck and Epistolary Legal Consultation Between Princesses, I'm ready to get mad.
Firstly, what a self involved prick, who doesn't seem to think beyond his prick.
Though Princess Twi's complaint that he couldn't explain advance human technology got me thinking how I'd explain how cars worked from nothing. I find myself embarrassingly lacking in that knowledge and I've replaced turbos, exhausts and re-spliced electrical systems. Even explaining how to make stainless steel (Iron and ... whatever else to make steel, then you add chromium? at a ratio of ... ouch my head) is tough when your not like Ash from Evil Dead, who just happened to have metallurgy textbooks in his trunk.
Still no excuse for assuming less advanced cultures are less intelligent, we've got the backs of giants helping us stand as tall as we do.
VERY NICE!!! Thumbs up!!
I have the unpleasant feeling that they're going to end up assuming that humanity at large tried shooting a rather unpleasant piece of its garbage into the nearest convenient space warp in hopes that he'd end up in hard vacuum and pop open like a weenie on a grill.
Vis a vis Twilight's comments about what little she learned from 'our' Earth's history from Charlie -- to be honest, how much COULD you learn about the history of an entire species from just one member of it? Just imagine humans trying to learn about Equestria from any one pony, or even a non-pony. Gilda or Garble would give us a MUCH different version of events than Twi or Applejack would. Twilight ought to recognize this.
Twilight Sparkle is the one you're writing this for, sort of like a report for class, and after she read that first part something seems to get her mad, cause she screws up her face real strange and looks at you like she was going to bite you, only you don't think the Ponies bite. Do real horses bite?
Then again, when you're dealing with the lost brother of Beavis and Butt-head... You'd think even an idiot would know better than to say things like that when he knows the people he's talking trash about are going to be reading his remarks! (Reminds me of an old joke which I'm ponifying here: 'Queen Chrysalis told me to polish the floors of her chamber until she could see her own reflection in them. I asked her why she'd want that because the only thing they could show her is how butt-ugly she is.')
I'll be looking forward to the next chapter.
And OT but talking HiE stories, do you know if anyone ever did one involving a child, or children, by which I mean actual kids, being the humans who entered Equestria? Or even non-modern humans?
I like books with an adult perspective on life, too!
I might be able to give the ponies a decent summary of the principles on which modern technology works, but in your fanon, Celestia and Luna would be able to do just as well - and probably much better. Given that your Twilight knows this very well, I wonder what she was expecting from Charlie? Maybe just some knowledge on his part to sort-of-justify his superiority, even if it didn't tell her anything new?
Is that you in the picture?
Well, I like it, and I'm looking forward to seeing where it goes, but I'd suggest mentioning both "Stuck" and "An Epistolatory Legal Consultation Between Princesses" in the long intro. I remember being very puzzled about "Why is he named Charlie Yu? Why does he have to be Asian?" before I realized that, of course, it was a parody of those awful second-person stories, and therefore "you"="Yu." Which haven't improved, by the way, so your story is very timely.
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The difference between him and you (not YU), is that you don't think this makes you inherently superior. You don't personally assume you are smarter and more sophisticated because you come from a civilization which brought us aircon, Hot Pockets, and Hot Topic.
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True, Twilight's account would probably be quite biased--less biased, perhaps, than it once would have been--but at least it would be extensive, whereas Charlie's is probably lamentably short on detail.
Hmm, explaining human technology in terms of Equestria's tech level? Very well: A computer is a really tiny automatic abacus, usually hooked up to a typewriter and an array of lights. The Internet is what you get when you hook several of them together over the telegraph.
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In its repulsive sickness? Yeah, that's pretty much what I was aiming for -- I was looking for an expression of confident stupidity. And it had to be a Northeast Asian early 20's male as well, which limited it further. I looked long and hard for that one!
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Oh, it's about how he wound up in Equestria and his early deeds there, which established his initial reputation, before the Taking of Derpy in the Hedge, which pretty much cemented the despite of Ponies of all degrees and conditions for him. Yeah, he's an unlikable jerk even here, before he's done anything truly evil, just in being normal.
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Okay, I couldn't give the Equestrians detailed diagrams of much they didn't have already at least in experimental form (for instance, they almost certainly have the principle of the internal combustion engine, and since Spark Wheel and his Flyer -- from Phoenix_Dragon's stories -- are part of my fanon, they can build at least experimental engines of that sort). But I could give them all sorts of hints that would greatly speed their technological progress, because I know the history of a lot of the technology. I could also tell them more about our own history than Charlie can (much of Charlie's historical knowledge is about as accurate as a "Sherman and Mr. Peabody" skit) and tell them more about our culture than "porn!"
What specifically annoys Twilight is that she knows that Humanity in general must include some pretty awesome minds, given even the distorted information Charlies telling her. She would love to talk to one of those Humans -- if they'd gotten a Carl Sagan or Robert Zubrin, or even a halfway-smart auto mechanic or electrician, she'd be quite happy. She knows that Charlie's a fool not only by Equestrian standards but rather obviously by the standards of his own species. It's very frustrating, especially when she knows that Equestria and America might have so much to offer each other in cultural and technological trade, to have found someone who knows nothing useful about either.
She's not actually prejudiced against Humanoids. This is post Equestria Girls and she liked many of the Humanoids she met there, especially the Humane Five and Flash Sentry. Slightly different subspecies and worldline, but roughly the same tech level. She doesn't like Charlie Yu.
And he hasn't even molested anypny yet!
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No, just a random photo off the net.
Excellent. Upped and tracked.
This is gonna be good...
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You certainly did a splendid job of making Mr Yu into a truly unlikeable pillock. An entire new civilisation, multiple sapient species and what does he elect to focus on? Internet porn. As you do.
My nephew would make a better representative of humanity, and he's two.
One thing has always bothered me about second person 'Anon' fics (should any author's of such read this, please note: 1) Anon is not a proper character, and 2) every time Pinkie refers to 'Anon' as 'Nonnie' God murders a kitten) is this: why do they keep getting written? Who keeps reading the wretched things and thinking: "That was awesome! I too want to write a soulless piece of derivative crap with an empty void were the protagonist should be."
It makes no sense. Yet they keep getting written. And upvoted. Why?
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I wish I knew. I can't stand the bloody things myself. See also, pony self-inserts who get laid with one or more of the Mane6.
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The keys to Charlie Yu's character that I got from "Stuck" were:
(1) He's useless enough that, despite coming from another world (and one more technologically-advanced than Equestria) he apparently cannot be productively employed save as unskilled agricultural labor,
(2) He gets incredibly horny after being deprived of contact with Human women for "months" (not "years," the original story was specific about this),
(3) He has a very poor imagination, as witness the statement in "Stuck" that he can't masturbate, having been deprived of pornographic images,
(4) He is very bad at making friends; his only friend in "Stuck" is stated to be Pinkie Pie (who canonically will befriend anyone who doesn't deeply and personally offend her),
(5) He is very bad at perceiving the emotions of others, as witness the fact that he misses that Pinkie Pie is inherently not attracted to him and Derpy very clearly is attracted to him,and
(6) He imagines himself to be of sufficiently high social status in Equestria that Derpy is beneath him, despite the fact that she has a responsible job requiring considerable thought and initiative and HE DOESN'T.
To me these attributes tell me that he is unintelligent, unimaginative, socially inept, and baselessly arrogant.
The reason why "Stuck" personally annoyed me to the point that i wrote a deliberate parody-continuation of it in the first place was the second person viewpoint. Story was telling me that I do these things, and then presented a character who was a complete amoral obnoxious idiot and did things which I never would do in his place.
So I decided "Yu" was his name, and from there I derived his ethnicity. Much of the rest of his backstory (which will come up next chapter) comes from the question of just what sort of person could simultaneously be this practically-inept and yet feel so entitled to respect and sexual attention despite his complete lack of any meaningful achievements whatsoever.
I don't want to spoil it in the comments, but it's notable in "Stuck" that he ascribes his lack of ability to find a marefriend on the Ponies being "racist," rather than the fairly obvious fact that he creeps the heck out of the mares by his tendency to fix his gaze directly on their private parts, something which is almost certainly considered as rude in Equestrian culture as it would be in most Human cultures -- the more so as the Equestrians are semi-nudists. His equation of "dating" with "having sex" would also be repulsive to all but the more promiscuous mares in my Equestria (and explain -- if explanation be needed -- why Pinkie doesn't want to "date" him).
He is biologically alien to them, and his ineptitude at making friends means that he isn't compensating for his differences by being personally charming or lovable. And again: he blames this all on them -- it doesn't occur to him in "Stuck" that it may be his own vices rather than their prejudices which make him unpopular).
I deliberately have him casually insult Spike in Chapter 1 of Stuck Again by way both of ironic contrast and to illustrate his own obliviousness to his own racism. The reaction he provokes from Twilight and Rarity, both of whom love Spike in their own ways, is significant, though he totally misses it.
For Spike, after all, is more biologically alien to the Ponies of Equestria than is Charlie Yu. Charlie, after all, is a eutherial mammal just like the Ponies, with many points of physical similarity. Spike is an archosaur, and of a species against which the Ponies are normally prejudiced (both in vanilla canon and in comic book, canon). Yet Charlie is very bad at making friends or earning respect in Equestria, while Spike is extremely good at both -- from the very first episode of the series it's obvious that Ponies tend to like Spike, and he likes them. All through the series, it is made plain that Spike has a fairly wide circle of Pony friends and acquaintances.
And of course, Rarity loves him. Not all that sexually -- yet -- but she feels very strong friendship toward him, intentionally seeks out his company, gives and solicits physical affection from him, and both emotionally and physically defends him when she thinks he's being attacked or threatened. Which means he's succceeded in winning her love, to the extent that he can given that he's still not sexually mature. It is quite possible that he will (and in most Shadow Wars Story Verse worldlines he does) win her sexually as well, when he's older.
And Rarity is not a lonely slightly-autistic mailmare. She's a highly-popular leader of local society who is moderately famous across Equestria. She doesn't welcome Spike's company because she's desperate (she's not). She welcomes his company because she very much likes him PERSONALLY.
Why? Well, observe Spike's behavior. He is friendly, helpful, intelligent, uncomplaining and treats Rarity with love and respect. He in short consistently displays virtues toward her which would logically induce a perceptive mare to value him highly, as a friend or possibly more. He is, in fact, obviously a good person.
Charlie Yu is not. Charlie is obnoxious, useless, stupid, and believes himself entitled to immense respect on no logical basis whatsoever. (All directly from "Stuck," reading between the lines). He's such an insensitive cad that he doesn't even grasp why most mares would have to love him to have sex with him, and so socially inept that he can't figure out how to find the ones who wouldn't require this (and remember, my Equestria has outright prostitution if one bothers to look for it).
By the way, that was the point (other than the sheer hilariousness of the notion, especially given just who was writing it and to whom) why I had Twilight write to Celestia:
Twilight regards the whole idea as absurdly insulting to her, the more so because Twilight is prudish and deeply respects libraries, but note that both she and Celestia are obviously familiar with the idea. I was pointing out that such places do exist in Equestria.
Anyway, thanks for provoking me to think more about my concept of the character.
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It's pure wish-fulfillment.
Now, of course, to some extent any fantasy is wish-fulfillment (or anti-wish-fufilmnent in the case of most horror fiction), because obviously the protagonist's situation has to appeal to the audience as being admirable, fun or interesting for the audience to read it. And there's nothing inherently wrong with having an interspecies romantic relationship involving a protagonist with whom the reader may identify and an admirable love interest.
The problem is that too often the protagonist is given no or few characteristics which would reasonably induce the described love interest to fall in love with him (it's usually a "him" in these cases) and hence the love comes across as unbelievable, more a matter of "Oh. I'm supposed to fall in love with you. Love love love!" Nor are the interactions between the characters such as would promote the development of love. Yet the love still occurs.
This is most obviously common in second-person HiE fics because they are so obviously meant for the reader to put himself in the nameless protagonist's place. (It's interesting that we see many erotic but few agonic stories of this sort -- it's obvious that the target audience would rather imagine themselves lovers than fighters!).
"Stuck" was actually to some extent not typical of the subgenre in that "you" were an obvious loser, and having sex with Derpy was depicted as a consolation prize and one with an unpleasant sequel in that afterward she followed "you" around and embarrassed "you" in front of Pinkie, "your" real love interest (in "your" own mind). This was to such a great extent that I was honestly shocked when the readers made obvious to me that they didn't consider "you" a loser nor particularly obnoxious, despite the clear in-story evidence that he was both.
I do have to wonder how many of these writers -- and fans -- have some very strange notions about how love works.
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I recall reading the comments on Stuck at the time (I didn't have an account at that point) and, if I remember correctly, surprisingly large numbers of people were speaking in defence of both 'you' and the story. This despite the fact that, as you pointed out, the main character is a truly wretched and pitiful creature, and his actions and stupidity make any immersion into the story difficult. I wouldn't behave in such a manner, so how could I possibly insert myself into that viewpoint? Yet people defend 'you' and the story. I'm forced to conclude that some people just like that sort of thing.
Thank you for giving me such a comprehensive reply
I understand the general idea and appeal of second person fics, but they're all so hideously dull and unimaginative. The world building? Where it exists, it's contrived, blatantly, for the benefit of the protagonist. Ponies find humans enormously attractive? Check. Ponies highly promiscuous, and willing to have sex at the first opportunity? Check. Hardly any stallions? Check. Group relationships normal? Check. Thought put into anything else? Probably not.
Of course, none of the consequences or conflicts that may result from this are addressed. The closest thing to that you'll see is ponies in estrus literally throwing themselves at the protagonist.
The protagonists are, of course, vacuous holes. The absence of a character (who's actions still manage to break immersion). How can a convincing romance, love affair, or even basic chemistry, ever be established when one side of the relationship is a blank space? If they were good porn, I would understand, but they aren't. They are invariably products of the flat pack furniture school of erotic literature.
The plot? AWOL.
You have commented that the protagonists of these fics never do anything (or are anything) that would convincingly win the love of their target pony(ies). I find this telling. The key word here has come up repeatedly: entitlement. The target audience of these fics just assume sex is something to which they are entitled, so of course the protagonist gets laid without effort. He's entitled after all. Love doen't even come into it (I've seen some people get offended by the suggestion that it might). Throw in author laziness and naked wish fulfilment ("I wish I had sex on tap from whoever I want without any effort") and there you have it.
As you pointed out, Stuck differs from the pack in that the protagonist doesn't get his own way, and settles for a consolation price (I feel an ass saying that about poor Derpy), but the same problems otherwise apply. Accept with added rapeyness. I understand I'm ranting a little, but I honestly cannot see why so many people like these things.
Yet they do. I am forced to concede this
On the topic of Charlie Yu, he recalls nobody as much as Eustice Scrub from the Chronicles of Narnia, except without the character development. It's all there: the arrogance, the entitlement, the sense of superiority based on coming from a higher tech civilisation. On top of that, Charlie comes with a sex obsession.
Come to think of it, many HiE and BiE protagonists resembles good Eustice. Of course, Eustice Scrub was supposed to be an arse. I don't think his many expies were deliberate.
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If you haven't done so already, I recommend reading Not The Hero by alarajrogers- it absolutely takes all those stupid HIE tropes, chews them up for breakfast and spits them out again. In short: It takes the piss out of them, in a very clever way.
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See, that's what disturbs me. There are apparently people out there whose form of great wish fullfillment is to get chicks to bang them without any effort whatsoever to see them as people. Of course, I knew these type of people existed already, it's just disturbing that so many of them exist in a fanbase with a TV show that is entirely based on STRONG FEMALE CHARACTERS. So their greatest wish is to strip the mane six of all their agency and whittle them down to the only thing females are good for? I suppose.
Excuse me:
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I am already a paid up, card carrying member of team Discord. We really need a Discord face. Thanks a lot for the recommendation though, I'm always happy to be pointed in the direction of good stories
We get to see how the jerk-wag Charlie Yu ended up in Equestria. Stuck is a call-back to the original story. We get to see things from his perspective, which is hardly a perspective at all. Not much goes on inside his head.
While at work, I thought about how to make Charlie Yu more of a dumb-arse:
* He can me-too like a brain-dead AOLer:
* Getting past his "me-tooing like a brain-dead AOLer", he commits word-crimes:
* He makes videos in Portrait-Mode:
* He probably sends messages in rich-text instead of plain-text.
* Also, he bought a phone with a white face and non-polarized white-rimmed sunglasses with no UV-Protection and them complains about the glare in general, and when using his phone in particular, in bright environments
You are free to write Yu as you want (I had a bit of fun with homophones just then). These are merely suggestions.
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I wrote this as a stand-alone, but since it mentions writing 3-times (me-tooing like a brain-dead AOLer, word-crimes, and sending rich text instead of plain text) I made this a reply to Scoots2. I figure that the comment might interest her because she is an English Professor. The art of replying to EMails and UseNetNewsGroupPosts reached its zenith in 1990 and has been going down-hill ever since then.
Hmm. As someone who enjoyed An Epistolary Legal Consultation Between Princesses, and would like to see it finished, I have a few comments:
1) The writing quality here is good, but I got bored reading this. We, the readers, know who Twilight Sparkle is, we know unicorns have magic, we know Fluttershy is a pegasus...we know all of this. The story spends a very long time telling us things we already know.
2) I'm concerned that you might be trying too hard to make Charlie unlikable. Epistolary Consultation straddled the line very well between making his actions seem bad, and making them seem unsavory, but unsuitable for punishment due to extenuating circumstances. Derpy clearly did not perceive herself as having been raped. And it was revealed that she was deliberately playing dumb to participate willingly in an experience "in the role" of too dumb to know what was going on, and not actually too dumb to be able grant consent. To me, the whole point of that story was to make it very difficult to definitely conclude that either "yes, this was ok" or "no, it wasn't." And from the arguments in the comments of that story, I think you were effective in that goal.
Charlie is being made to be unlikable, and that's ok...but please remember that him being unlikable isn't the point. His unlikability is a framework for making it difficult for a reader to definitely conclude that what he did was ok. We should dislike him, but nevertheless have some difficulty finding fault besides being unlikable.
3) Are you going to finish Epistolary Consultation?
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The point is how Charlie sees them -- what he gets about them, and (hilariously or tragically) what he doesn't get about them.
For instance, Charlie misses that Twilight Sparkle is considerably smarter than him (indeed, she's intelligent at a level that only a very few Humans have ever attained); he misses that Twilight Sparkle and Rarity each (in their own ways) love Spike; and he misses that Earth Ponies are, pound-for-pound, much stronger than him. He also misses that Spike really is a Dragon, albiet a very small one. (That last point leads directly to his disastrous attempt to fight Spike in An Epistolary Consultation).
His thoughts are also highly disorganized. I had to disorganize my normal expository style in order to portray Charlie. Did you notice that in his description of the Mane Six he started with the trivial and proceeded to the fundamental, which is the opposite of the way one should write an essay? I'm a fairly good essayist. Charlie isn't. And I came up with the idea that Twilight was editing Charlie's work in part to explain why it was as readable as it is, because if I presented you what Charlie probably "really" wrote, you'd find it painful to read.
Charlie isn't unlikeable because he's a potential rapist (assuming he found somepony weak and stupid enough to rape, that is). Charlie is unlikeable because he's an arrogant fool who imagines himself entitled to extra-special wonderful treatment but isn't willing to do anything to actually deserve it. Everything else about Charlie (including his willingness to commit what he thought was rape) derives from this fundamental flaw, which in turn comes from the fact that he is both not very bright and rather spoiled.
I thought he was stupid from an outside perspective.
I am disgusted, but can not look away.
Rarity, as usual, is spot on. He is a cad, and a stupid one to boot.
Ooh boy, this guy makes me almost ashamed of my own species. The sad thing is, this type of character is not only an accurate portrayal of a some of the attitudes of certain people, but those people are distressingly prolific. I guess it's just easier to be a a@#hole, while being a decent person takes some actual effort? I don't know.
I almost (very nearly) feel sorry for Yu at this point. He is the walking manifestation of the Dunning - Kruger effect: too stupid and incompetent to comprehend his own incompetent stupidity.
Sheesh. Charlie's thinking is hopelessly contorted, the better to pat himself on the back. I don't envy Twilight at all for trying to derive insight from that mess of self-contradictory, self-aggrandizing self-justification. And the foreshadowing... No wonder he'll see an opportunity.
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This sums up my sensations as I write him. I find Charlie Yu funny -- but mostly in a Cringe Comedy sort of way.
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Yep. He has no real sense of women as people, which is why no woman who gets to know him is willing to let him get anywhere with him. He probably gives off all sorts of signs regarding his bad intentions. Maybe later I'll write some of his attempts to "get dates" from the mares of Ponyville, though that will be hard to do in epistolary style, and he has no idea why he elicits unfavorable reactions from them.
He also violates A Gentleman Doesn't Tell there regarding the supposedly "retard" girl (who says Charlie's a good judge of character? He later thinks exactly the same thing about Derpy, who -- in the case of my Derpy -- is most definitely not mentally retarded, though mild autism was once mistaken for mental retardation), but then he's no gentleman. He's an exploiter, pure and simple, and he sees absolutely nothing wrong with his behavior. He'd be more hateful if he were more successful; he's mostly funny because he's inept at it.
It's especially useful for my story purposes here that Rarity isn't at all xenophobic; she loves Spike, who also isn't a Pony. Contrary to Yu's assumptions, she's reacting to his low intelligence and poor moral character, rather than his species.
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I modeled him, where he wasn't inspired by the protagonist of the original "Stuck," on someone I actually knew. In fact, he dated my favorite sister-in-law for a time. I'm quite glad they broke up: I would very much not want him as a brother-in-law.
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You've got it. He also has layers of defense mechanisms to avoid acknowledging and taking seriously any direct criticism.
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I'm quite happy you noticed the foreshadowing. I've foreshadowed so far exactly what he does in "Stuck" (the tale of the "retard girl" in high school) and his claims that nopony likes him because he's non-equine (his claims of being rejected for being Korean).
I know quite a few apes like Yu. None of them are of Korean descent, but they are all American. I hate to say it, but 1 of them is a relative.
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Well, Yu is also American. His grandfather was South Korean. I'm guessing that his grandmother and parents probably are also of ultimately-Korean origins, but who knows? I've never delineated or even so far mentioned them.
I think I actually lost a few I.Q points for reading about Charlie's sexcapades and his warped view of world history. I applaud you sir!
The more Charlie talks about himself the more of a swine he sounds like. I shudder to think what the ponies are learning about human society from this goof! At least they have the intelligence to realize that he's far from the best source on the subject.
a starer, noser and rustler
What exactly is a "noser"?
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I'm glad you asked about all of these! They are all derogatory terms for particular forms of sexual bad manners, usually (though not always) on the part of stallions toward mares; they all relate to the etiquette demanded of a species who customarily go nude or expose their genitalia but consider it poor form to take undue advantage of this fact.
A "noser" is somepony who is so rude that a mare might fear that he would literally stick his nose under her tail to directly sniff her vagina and anus. The Human equivalent would be "masher." This, I have decided, is the derivation of the nickname of Fluttershy's seducer, "Nosey." Fluttershy, at 16, was so naive that this literally failed to occur to her until afterward. Charlie Yu literally does this in "Stuck."
A "starer" is someone who would stare and a rude and prolonged fashion at one's genitals. The Human equivalent would probably be "Peeping Tom," and that is actually almost exactly what Tom is doing in the legend of Lady Godiva, from which the term originates. Charlie Yu mentions having done this a lot in the backstory to "Stuck."
A "rustler" is someone who would disarrange one's garments to attempt to gain access to one's private parts, presumably without one's consent. This term was actually used to describe sexually-aggressive people in the history of England, I'd have to do serious research to tell you when it was first used and when it became archaic. Ponies -- even ones who wear concealing skirts -- almost never wear any undergarments with them ("Apple Orchard" did, but then "she" had a very good reason not to want to let anypony see "her" genitals), so it applies with full force in their culture. Charlie's not particularly guilty of this, yet.
Yes, Charlie Yu is a total creep, and what's worse, he's one who doesn't realize it.
6567694 A "noser" is somepony who is so rude that a mare might fear that he would literally stick his nose under her tail to directly sniff her vagina and anus. The Human equivalent would be "masher." This, I have decided, is the derivation of the nickname of Fluttershy's seducer, "Nosey." Fluttershy, at 16, was so naive that this literally failed to occur to her until afterward. Charlie Yu literally does this in "Stuck."
Yow! That sounds like a great way for a lecherous stallion to get a broken jaw courtesy of an angry mare.
And thanks for the response.
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I never said it was a smart thing to do. Most Equestrian Ponies aren't violent enough to do that as their first reaction, but the stallion is putting himself in danger of a reflexive kick, and some Equestrian Ponies are more violent than others. And more enraged by sexual advances.
I wouldn't, for instance, try this on my Trixie.
6572349 I never said it was a smart thing to do. Most Equestrian Ponies aren't violent enough to do that as their first reaction, but the stallion is putting himself in danger of a reflexive kick, and some Equestrian Ponies are more violent than others. And more enraged by sexual advances.
I wouldn't, for instance, try this on my Trixie.
I wasn't accusing you of saying that it was a smart thing to do, just wanted to be clear on that.
And I doubt it would be wise to attempt this with Applejack, Rainbow Dash, or Rarity, either. And Heaven help the poor fool who got drunk enough to try it out with Luna.