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Circumlocution


You ever wonder why we're here?

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Oooooh, what do we have here? An M/M fic written by a competent author (if Mirror Mirror is anything to go by)? Let's give it a read!

(This was written in 'real time' as I read the story)

Shining's reaction to Soarin at first seemed really... excessive. I get that he's frustrated and troubled, but normal people don't tackle and hold a sword overhead ready to murder someone. Contrariwise, Soarin was oddly chill about it. Despite being a little shaken he seemed rather... unmoved by it. That part was way too anvilicious I think. If you wanted to demonstrate how frustrated Shining was, I think his sparring session with the mannequin was plenty enough for that. But it's hard to be sympathetic with characters that, y'know, slash people with swords and act like they're going to kill them.

Also, minor thing. At one point you say it's been 'six months' and shortly after you say 'six years', seeming to refer to the same event. Are they different things or is that a mistake? If they are different events it should probably be reworded to make that clearer.

Lit his horn

Ugh. Another minor quibble, but this is a sentence I see quite often in various stories and it annoys me because it sounds weird. "Lit his horn" makes it sound like his horn is a lighter or something. I prefer things like "Fed magic into his horn" or "channeled magic into his horn" or "his horn glowed." Stuff like that. Lighting his horn sounds like he's setting it on fire.

Also, quick note on euphemisms... I'd avoid 'clinical' terms like "erection" unless the tone is matter-of-fact (which is whenever the topic of sex comes up but the mood isn't supposed to be erotic at that particular moment.) Could be personal preference, but I generally think it's better to go with solely 'erotic' terms once you get to that part of the story.

“What,” Shining said, as Soarin laid a row of kisses down his chest. “you didn’t like that trick?”

This sentence doesn't have to be broken up. The writing needs to be as smooth as possible, so breaking up dialogue like this should be done sparingly. For instance:

“What, you didn't like that trick?” Shining asked, watching as Soarin laid a row of kisses down his chest.

I think that reads a little more smoothly.

If you want to leave it like it is, though, then it should be "[...]down his chest, "you didn't like that trick?" since it's a continuation of the previous sentence.

“You’ve got nothing to prove,” Soarin replied, lowering his head and swiping his tongue across Shining’s tip, grinning at how the other stallion stiffened in response. “Besides, I want this load now.”

Niiiice. :ajsmug: It's super hot when they want the other pony to cum for them/take their load.

fellating

Clinical term again. It's too technical, it sends the wrong message. You want something like "sucking him off with even more enthusiasm than before" instead. Make it seem a little... dirter. Clinical terms make the writing seem unexciting or like it's just going through the motions.

Now, the first orgasm scene... You've got the right idea for it, but it needed more detail. Lot of people like to pop when the characters do, so you should always make a point to make this hit as hard as possible, and the best way to do that is to put in as much detail as you can get away with. An orgasm scene should probably be 4-6 sentences and its own paragraph.

Shining beat him to the punch, diving underneath the Wonderbolt and sucking as much of his cock into his mouth as he could.

Nice. :pinkiecrazy: This is one area where a lot of people tend to slip. There is nothing hotter than the characters having such enthusiasm and desire for one another.

Friction spell

I think you mean frictionless spell. A friction spell sounds like... something else that would be rather painful in these circumstances.

Shining bent down and kissed him again. “I love you too,” he whispered as his cock exploded, filling Soarin’s rear passage with his seed.

The part where Shining is actually having his orgasm is literally just one sentence (two if you count Soarin's reaction to it in the next paragraph.) It really does need more detail than that. That really applies to the whole sex scene, but the orgasm scenes especially need a lot of detail.

Minor quibble, but I'd avoid words like 'exploded'. They're used a lot, I know, but I think that 'exploding' is the wrong mental image you want to create for the reader.

Now, on the other hand...

Soarin gave a long, shuddering sigh as Shining’s orgasm ran its course.

Yes! More of that! It is amazingly hot when the receiver enjoys feeling the giver's climax (that applies to both M/F and M/M.) Too often I run into clopfics where the receiver is just... indifferent to it. That's not nearly as appealing (or appealing at all, really.) Besides, there's nothing to lose in that regard. Lot of people love it, and it's not really going to scare anyone off, so why not? It just needed more detail.

Now then! Final thoughts on the story.

There was some real emotion here, and that was pleasant. Lot of clop is just sex with little emotion. It's just so much easier to do it that way, so I give you mad props for making the sex feel 'real'. It was a little anvilicious at times, but damn, the intent and effort is there and for the most part it worked.

Except for the couple of hiccups I pointed out, the word choice is great. I didn't run into many terms that spoiled the erotic mood, so that was nice. Far too often I run into clopfics that use some weird euphemisms that make it near-impossible for me to really get into it.

I also didn't really run into any spelling/grammar issues, except that one issue I pointed out earlier. Biiiiig plus as far as I'm concerned.

(Incidentally, the story is marked as incomplete, but it seems to have wrapped up pretty well. Did you intend to mark it complete?)

Now, I'd say that in general, this the 'right way' to do clop, but it just needs more detail. The big thing about clop, in my opinion, is that you need a truly obscene amount of detail to really make the stories stand out. Otherwise you're sort of just... going through the motions. Expand on exactly what the characters are feeling (physically and emotionally) and put that in every paragraph you can. Seriously, I'd be impressed if you actually managed to find a way to have too much detail in erotica. I have yet to run into a clopfic that had too much detail, but plenty that didn't have enough.

As far as detail goes, there's another small thing. I saw a lot of places where you could have included little actions/reactions that would've made this feel more 'real'. Like...

Shining gave a heavy sigh. “Me too. It’s been one hell of a day, hasn’t it?”

How about this instead?

Shining gave a heavy sigh, a content smile on his face as he reached over to rub Soarin's cheek with a hoof. "Me too. It's been one hell of a day, hasn't it?"

The fine details like that are what makes a story like this seem so real, and that's what makes them stand out. This is something that comes with practice though. Honestly, for this being only your second story (and first M/M) this is already pretty damn good.

Now, all things considered... Story isn't perfect, but what story is? It's still pretty good, and for Christ's sake, it's a competently written M/M fic! That's rarer than diamonds around here. This story deserves more attention than it's getting. I think I might try doing something about that.

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I can no longer even try to read this fic... Your comment just set a new standard to long-winded...

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Well done. Here come the test results: You are a horrible person. I'm serious, that's what it says: A horrible person. We weren't even testing for that.

Oooh, I really liked this one!

Not a very substantial or particularly constructive comment, I know, but I guess I just wanted to say, well... Thank you for writing this. It was hot as balls and it had sexy stallions being cute and there was genuine emotion and it made me feel all happy inside. :twilightblush:

5541332 S-senpai noticed me! Eeeee!

On a more serious note, I really appreciate your criticism. I took your advice with Shining's initial reaction to Soarin and gave the scene a quick rework. Might tweak a few other things as time goes on.

As for the detail issues... I'm working on that. To me, at least, most of my clop scenes feel like awkward fumbling. I'm usually pretty good at sneaking in those subtle little reactions and details, but the clop element makes things way more difficult than I originally expected. Turns out erotica's hard to write. Who knew?

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5541537 ... Really? Are you really doing this? Because I don't want a flame war on my story.

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Reread the scene. I think it's much better now. :twilightsmile: More in line with Soarin's reaction too.

Turns out erotica's hard to write. Who knew?

Yeah that's something that a lot of people don't really get. You really have to have an eye for detail to do this kind of thing well.

As for the detail issues... I'm working on that.

If it helps, when I do it I typically write the story from start to finish, then go back and add in a bunch of detail afterwards (often 500-1000 words or so.) By doing it that way the story comes to me more easily, and it gives me a framework to add in additional detail with more thought behind it.

Comment posted by Violet Sky deleted Feb 4th, 2015

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You know, I had the exact same reaction when 5541560 approached me on Skype.

Also, great story.

This was the kind of one shot I wish I could write.

And that last sentence gave the entire thing a more sad tone in my opinion

Good job, Hombre

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5541498 Happy I can continue doing things (mostly) right. :twilightsheepish:

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Kek. I love it when it's not me making an ass of myself.

I want more voyeur!Cadance, or beard!Cadance, or poly!Cadance. Fucking awesome stuff.

Comment posted by Violet Sky deleted Feb 2nd, 2015

“Quit it,” Soarin replied. “You sound like a Caneighdian.”

Ouch, burn.

Interesting story. Could've done without the porn, but still sticks out as fairly unique for being a casual treatment of male bisexuality as just a thing that happens. It doesn't get that a lot. The stereotypes are less vicious than for gays, but more pervasive and much less often gainsaid by others, if it's acknowledged at all. So I guess I appreciate it for that. Nothing noteworthy about the technical aspects, but then again I skipped pretty much all of the second half, so maybe there's something hiding there that I never saw. I wouldn't have minded you going farther with this than a oneshot, all said.

Comment posted by Black Month Willem Dafoe deleted Feb 2nd, 2015

Excellent story with a decent storyline for a one-shot clop. You just earned a follow, like and favorite

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:rainbowderp:

...Is this shit your job?

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This was a little sad at the end, but also nice. I liked it. Kind of a bittersweet, warm and fuzzy kind of feeling. The guy-love felt pretty genuine and not fucking terrible like a lot of forced shipping that I've read.

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I'll agree with this. You've got your gay stories and your straight stories, and the occasional female bi story, but the well-handled male bi stories tend to... well, be in short supply. Usually if there's any M/M action, it's handled as strictly gay. I think this story was a pretty nice departure from that, and handled both relationships pretty well.

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A function of the site demographics, I suppose. I'm honestly surprised that there isn't more angry downvoting of this story, it sure happened in some others I've seen. Insecure young men tend to be worried enough about homosexuals already, but at least they fit neatly into the category "not competition/run away!" while bisexuals can show up anywhere and hit on you after camouflaging themselves with a girlfriend, or even going after yours. And that's just not fair.

I wish I was making that thought process up.

You know, come to think of it... One thing I found a little disappointing is that there wasn't really any closure with Soarin. I mean, yeah their little snuggle and nap at the end was nice, but the message is kinda mixed. It seems to end on a good note, but then the next morning Soarin just leaves without a word? What does that mean? I know that the night was about 'getting it out of their system', but are they just going to ignore each other now or are they 'real' friends again?

Just sayin', that's the difference between an ending that's kinda sad and one that's significantly happier.

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There's no closure because it doesn't really work like that. They had a thing and Armor is still hung up on it, now even more than before. You don't just go back to "normal friendship" from that. Cadence shot herself in her own foot there, really. She should really know better.

5541560 that derpy is adorable.

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I do kinda agree. Can't help but feel like Soarin got the short end of the stick here. Might have to make it up to him by throwing him together with Spitfire or RD or some other overused pairing. As for the closure issue... it's tough to explain. I like to leave things implied, give the readers a chance to fill in the blanks the way they want to.

My personal interpretation is this: Shining and Soarin are still hung up on each other, there's no doubting that. Maybe they can go back to being friends, maybe not. If nothing else, they know where they stand with each other, and acknowledging that something's happening is the first step toward fixing it. Of course, saying something's "wrong" isn't being fair to Soarin; he's the one making the biggest sacrifice, after all. But he wants Shining to be happy, and seeing that happen is worth losing him.

Man, that sounds cheesy when I think about it.

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How short his end of the stick was is in the section I skipped, I think. I interpreted it similarly and it's the kind of cheesiness people in love actually do though, so I think you're excused. :-D

I really liked it

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Ah, poor Soarin... Much as I like him (and would love a 'genuine friends' ending), I can't help but imagine that, since he bolted without a word, he's actually really torn up about how things turned out. I mean, you don't just run off like that unless you're trying to get away from the person, right? :pinkiesad2: Getting Shining for one night probably, if anything, just reinforced his feelings for him.

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Getting Shining for one night probably, if anything, just reinforced his feelings for him.

It's why smart people will tell you to never sleep with your ex.

This was a fantastic story, and I love the way you ended it. I think Soarin, ultimately, made the more mature decision in the end. Even though they still clearly have feelings for each other, they've both grown. They can start moving on with their lives not by forgetting about each other, but by accepting that circumstances have changed and being happy for one another. I imagine the next time they see each other, they will still feel a great deal of love. Not in a romantic sense, but in the way that you love someone you truly care about.

I have a feeling I'll come back to this one over and over again. Great story. :pinkiehappy:

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D'aww. You guys' ignorance of memes is... actually kind of adorable.

5548232 Is that really how it ends. Very mature. I never expected a clop fic with this plot to have such an outcome (No offence to anyone). I understand love comes in many forms, some more intimate than others. M/M is normally not my thing, but I think I might read this for the plot story. I might not be able to get off to it, but from what Vivid said, a clop fic that shows this much respect to Shining and Candace deserves my attention, regardless of my sexual preference. (I hate the idea Shinning and Candace betray each other, if its for an alternate ship that I like ex. Chysalarmor or Shiningdash.)

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You should absolutely give this story a read. It will be well worth it.

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M/M clop? Normally not my thing. But this? This made it my thing. I mean damn son, just the situation itself is so emotionally heavy it makes me want to weep buckets of tears, all the while clapping and shouting "Bravo! Encore!"

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