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Noble Phantasm


There are some things you simply should not know.

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Just putting this in: I don't think your Latin is translated correctly. You don't have a verb or anything but you have an infinitive, which I assume you meant to make a verb.

Comment posted by Noble Phantasm deleted Sep 26th, 2014

5058981 I was under the impression that it still essentially meant the same thing.

5060788 Uh, Latin works funny. Depending on the use of the word, the ending of the word changes. Kinda like if I was to say something plural I would say things instead of thing.

So for example: boy acting as a subject singular would be puer, while boy as an direct object singular would be puerum. PM me and I can help you get a translation done.

I'll elaborate on what Octavia said. You want to say "first, do no harm" right? Latin uses nolle + infinitive for negative commands, not non.

So, in good Latin, it would be "primum noli nocere"

5215083 :ajsleepy: Primum non Nocere, Primum nil nocere, Primum noli nocere....... All of these, at least according to the digging I did, are all valid translations. Primum non Nocere happens to be the most famous. If this Latin is wrong, then every medical lexicon and dictionary I looked at is lying to me. The phrase is real; I didn't make it up. In fact, I did a quick search for your translation and Google redirected me to the one I already have. Apparently the world of doctors doesn't use good Latin. You would be right to say "First do no harm" is what it means and what I meant to say. I'm just confused, because everyone who has tried to correct me thus far has given me a different translation and so I settled on the one that was in all the medical journals. If I use this in error, then so does half the world. I had a conversation with Octavia Harmony outside of the comment section about this too.
:unsuresweetie: Sorry if this comes off a little harsh. I know you're only trying to help, so thank you. Just do a quick Google search for Primum non Nocere and see what you get. I swear I'm not wrong, so the fact that people keep telling me that I am is baffling. I hope you understand. I'm very confused.

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Just googled the phrase myself. Hmm, looks like you're right.

The thing is that Latin was spoken for a really long time, had so many different dialects and rules, etc. My education is in Classical Latin, where negative imperatives used the noli form I mentioned; Cicero wouldn't be caught dead saying non nocere. But maybe in Medieval and Neo-Latin they started doing the non + imperative form, who knows.

5218169 Hm. I guess that shouldn't surprise me. Although the philosophy of the phrase goes all the way back to the Greeks, the precise use of the phrase seems to originate from somewhere in the 1600's or 1700's, which would place it in the era of Neo-Latin. At least that's what a bit more research would imply. Aaaaaanyway, thanks for your time. I hope you stick around to read the rest of the story. :twilightsheepish:

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This is actually a really well written story, it’s really good, you should consider a sequel. The only complaint I really have is the length of the paragraphs, they’re a bit too long.

Also, you may misunderstand what a filly is. A foal is a baby horse/pony, a filly is the female version, a colt is the male.

Brilliant masterpiece, it almost completely fits into the MLP: FiM series as a prequel in the life of Pinkamena Diane Pie.
For once, I actually found a story that doesn't refer to the psychotic Pinkie Pie as 'Pinkamena' while negating that such a name is the original's full name. Also, I am super happy that this fanfiction doesn't make up the speculation that Pinkie's adopted family consist of ponies whose names rhyme with her's. You know, "Inky Pie" and "Blinky Pie."

This story is a true work of genious, a construction that consists of an original idea and combines it with elements of the show that inspired it.
References made to the episode "Cutie Mark Chronicles," and well explain the Pinkie Sense from "Feeling Pinkie Keen." In addition, nicely done with adding cheeky references to the Pinkie Promise and Pinkie Pie's very first song "Giggle at the Ghosties." [season 1, episode 2 ("The Elements of Harmony")]

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